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7741  Economy / Economics / Re: Economic Devastation on: April 24, 2015, 12:53:55 AM
l3552,

Voluntary local perspectives and priorities are maximized by the paradigm I am teaching.

You seem to be unable to comprehend the holistic impacts of coercing perennial, non-voluntary reputation.

You and CoinCube seem to be unable to understand the high IQ conceptualization of the holistic versus the local order, and the fact that the holistic order is untouchable, unmeasurable, and in fact does not exist because there is no absolute frame of reference (i.e. there is no external observer of the universe).

I am sorry but I can't conduct a Richard Feynman level of discussion with an untrained neophyte. My conceptualization is flying right over your head.

Your misconceptualizations, mischaracterizations, and conflations are Dunning-Kruger and I can't possibly help you.

I am sorry if you don't like the reality of nature. Nature is brutally honest (some might even say "random") about what is economic and fit.

If you are truly empathetic to the elderly, then you wouldn't be pitching coercive perennial, non-voluntary reputation which results as follows. Even sane societies have bankruptcy protection where one can reset their reputation and start over. I realize you are too dumb to understand that you are promoting a death march paradigm. You of course are deluded by your ignorance into believing you are promoting love and compassion, but in fact you are promoting megadeath. Sigh.  Roll Eyes  Cry







_ My experience, reputation or certifications are confidential info, pal _ after grasping the idea that until now you know nothing of this man you continue.

You conflated the free market demand for reputation with coercive perennial, non-voluntary reputation.

Plumbers can create pseudonym and selectively sign block chain transactions for reputation they want to reveal to the free market.

Voluntary demand driven, not top-down coercive megadeath.

Fuck I am tired of spoon feeding idiots who can't think and come here making nonsense posts!
7742  Economy / Economics / Re: Economic Devastation on: April 23, 2015, 11:14:54 PM
CoinCube,

My points are irrefutable. Thus is now time for you to stop being disingenuous and admit I have rationally destroyed the basis you were using to a support your Marxist philosophy.

You wrote it took you some week or weeks to fully digest and appreciate my essays which you linked from the opening post of this thread.

Perhaps you need to take some time to really comprehend what I am saying about the lack of measurement meaning there is no internal entropy in your attempt to equate an increase in experimentation (or degrees-of-freedom because in the political-economy or real-world evolution we can't define a metric for distinguishing between experimentation and baseline, status quo) with an increase in entropy. Degrees-of-freedom doesn't carry any information about probabilistic outcome. Looking at another way, the asymmetry is that top-down meddling decreases Antifragility and is always worse. You have to understand that decentralized experimentation is extremely resilient and can not spiral into total destruction of information. If you show me you are putting on your thinking cap and being more open minded to reason, then I will explain to you analytically why this is the case. It has to do with the fact that spread of local experimentation encounters friction when propagating to global change (e.g. individual taste and circumstance is a friction), i.e. local degrees-of-freedom don't convey probabilistic global information; whereas, the incentives in top-down, collectivized control is self-reinforcing to 100% global coverage, i.e. the friction reduces over time. Moveover it is because the universe has no external vantage point and everything is relative, thus there is no way to define the distinction between information and noise on the whole.

In the evolutionary error threshold theory thought-experiment (not real world, and really just masturbation junk science), the hypothetical (not real world) mutation rate is ramped up from centralized, top-down control. In the free market, no one can say whether the information is being created or destroyed because there is no absolute point to measure from. There is a plurality of perspectives that exist simultaneously in nature (did a tree fall in the forest if I never knew it?) and one perspective's information is another perspective's noise. Nature just is. It is what is. The result you get is what you get. If some species goes extinct, accept it (e.g. as George Carlin says, "perhaps the Earth just need the human race only to invent plastic, then it is done with us").

You've built a FUD strawman because you don't like to trust the free market. This is a typical Marxist delusion. Hopefully you can overcome it if you realize that you have no more technical foundation to stand on with that Frankenstein philosophy. That humans can't grasp this math and logic above and thus repetitively organize themselves into collective death marches is hideous.

7743  Economy / Economics / Re: Economic Devastation on: April 23, 2015, 10:05:22 PM
CoinCube,

You are misapplying an evolutionary theory (which is not applicable to real evolution, i.e. it is junk science!) to political-macro-economics. Also you have another one of your characteristic, fatal ontological, taxonomy errors wherein you equate noisy mutation with an increase in entropy (a.k.a. information). This noisy mutation isn't even internal entropy, because there is no such closed system defined (which is why my point about inability to measure is the most crucial and relevant point to be made!). These continued low IQ errors don't impress me.

The evolutionary theory is roughly that mutation above a certain rate—the Error threshold—is holistically noisy (because the feedback loop of survival-of-the-fittest in the environment can't speedup due to the fixed lifespan of the species) thus causing the entropy (a.k.a. information content) in the genome to be destroyed (i.e. overwritten with noise).

You and I have both lamented in our common understanding that in top-down, collectivized political-economic collapse unfortunately there is no feedback loop that adjusts the trajectory of the system based on performance in the environment. Instead of a meritocracy, the Petri dish (from my Understand Everything essay you linked in the opening post) incentives are aligned such that participants act selfishly to maximize the destruction of entropy of the collective political-economy system. Iron Law of Political Economics also explains these incentives.

There is no sudden burst or increase in entropy in top-down, collectivized political-economic collapse.

Dude you are so far off the map, it isn't even excusable nor tolerable anymore. Damn it. Put on your thinking cap please.

Your arguments against mutation, fitness, and efficiency simplify into “we cannot accurately measure it therefore we cannot define so it must not exist” The only true aspect of this argument is your comments that these are difficultimpossible a priori to measure.

The relevance of the inability to measure is it is thus impossible to determine which mutations are noise and which are information a priori.

This is why I have written numerous times that "simulated annealing" is the only known algorithm for optimization of dynamic change where the metrics can't be known a priori and where the metrics are always changing and relativistic. Also there are a plurality of local optimizations not just one. And those can't ever be identified.

"I leave yellow ribbons symbols to the symbol-minded... Nobody knows what time it is."— George Carlin

Your argument leads to the logical conclusion that we can never truly know the exact error threshold of society and should therefore error on the side of caution.

The other saliency is that since we can't measure evolution before it happens, and since we know that top-down meddling always destroys entropy, then the most cautious action is to promote the free market as much possible and work against top-down meddling.

"...so self-important. Leave nature alone. I am getting tired of that shit. Tired of that shit..."— George Carlin in Saving the Planet





Anonymint I will try but I suspect the attempt will be futile. You have a blind spot. It is subtle yet ingrained into your personality type. It distorts your worldview and despite your formidable reasoning skills drives you to error.

ENFP personality types are prone to be highly emotional. They often devolve into counter-productive emotional outbursts when criticized or in conflict. They are logical but as a group tend to disregard logic when it conflicts with their core principles.

Next time you convince yourself that you don't need to think deeper because you think I have not and am being emotional, my strong advice to you is don't make that error in your judgment again.

My admonishments are deserved by the recipients. Characterizing these as "outbursts" is analogous to being critical of a teacher who is attempting to maintain order in the classroom when the students aren't paying attention and instead are throwing spit balls.

If we don't get some movement towards rational thinking, then we are just wasting our (my!) time here.

...tend to disregard logic when it conflicts with their core principles. Your myopia appears interwoven into principle and I suspect it may not be possible for you to correct it.

Pot calling the kettle black.

That is precisely what you did.
7744  Economy / Economics / Re: Economic Devastation on: April 23, 2015, 03:07:39 PM
animorex, I would replace the amphetamine with CoQ10— an instant energy booster. Decaffeinated EGCG is also a mental focus booster. Stimulants that act directly on the receptors of the brain such as caffeine and amphetamine are I believe very counter productive (accumulated negatives outweigh the boost). Intense exercise (e.g. running) is much more efficacious.

I am taking co-enzymated B-complex (B Healthy brand which seemed to have best value and formulation), because typical B-complex is toxic. Yet eating raw leafy greens seems to be even more effective.

We suffer because we don't live the way our evolutionary ancestors did. We would probably be in great health with natural diet if weren't killing ourselves indoors and on the computer. I remember that as my Multiple Sclerosis progressed from sporadic to intermittent relapsing in 2010, I was still able to put it into remission by going outside for a few days of sports in the sun. Unfortunately I disobeyed what my body was trying to tell me and worked myself into a chronic stage of M.S..  Now I am trying to dig myself out of this malaise with high dose vitamin D3.

7745  Economy / Economics / Re: Economic Devastation on: April 23, 2015, 12:39:31 PM
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Subject: Marty is fooled by the propaganda war in the information age
Date:    Thu, April 23, 2015 8:46 am
To:      "Armstrong Economics" <armstrongeconomics@gmail.com>
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Unfortunately Armstrong continues to be fooled by the propaganda war underway...

http://armstrongeconomics.com/2015/04/23/imf-reports-warns-of-financial-instability-low-interest-rates-will-be-our-doom/

Quote from: Armstrong
The IMF issued the Global Financial Stability Report as it does every April, but this year it is a sobering account of the complete failure of financial elites to manage the global financial system. If anything blows the conspiracy theories out of the water that somehow someone is in charge and has deliberately steered society over the cliff, this is it. It would be nice if someone was in charge – a demigod of world finance. Maybe they would at least blink. But reality is far worse. The whole thing is run by lawyers who think they can just write a law and shabam – they solved the problem.

Armstrong doesn't appreciate that the failure and collapse is desired and planned by the global elite. Yeah they let the lawyers fuck everything up, because the supranational powers-that-be do want a global economic contagion crisis. It is via this crisis they can get capitulation from the nation-states to a global monetary authority they control.

Armstrong continues to believe in reforming collectivized governance, yet he defies his own knowledge of history because collectivized governance has always been and will also be a corrupted, lower entropy, failure paradigm. Always. When will Marty learn to stop masturbating and focus his effort on what actually works throughout history? Which is facilitating frontiers for those who are smart enough to move to them. The coming frontier is anonymous monetary systems in the Knowledge Age.

Be prepared or perish. I don't care what you do! It is your dumb or wise choice to make.



7746  Economy / Economics / Re: Economic Devastation on: April 23, 2015, 12:10:53 PM
I am waiting for CoinCube to come back and admit I am correct on all points.

Haha and just what probability have you assigned to this actually happening.  Cheesy

In the interests of being a good sport, however, I will restrain myself and only quote the recent points that I do believe are correct on all counts.

The ability to top-down control others is mathematically coupled to the ability to top-down create error!

We have no means of knowing which of smorgasbord plurality of autonomous actions being done today are providing fitness.

The danger is because the top-down systems over commit to the aggregate error in a self-reinforcing spiral that will kill the host.

error often manifests itself in terms of exhausting resources.

When all the humans are essentially in survival, subsistence mode, the entropy has been drastically reduced because this a reversion in specialization.

top-down controlled systems (such as collectivized governance) remove degrees-of-freedom—that is have lower entropy


there is also the requirement of efficiency, and for that the only path is growth.

efficiency can only be achieved with growth and scaling up, which of course limits degrees of freedom and can cause extinction events.

growth and therefore limit in DofF is needed to cope to the internal entropy accumulation

a limit in Degrees of freedom cannot be escaped for living systems


We are working bodies of 37 trillions cells working harmoniously. We are part of a global society of 6 billion human beings working as harmoniously as possible

If the environment changed this it doesn't mean we have to go all the way back to anarchical technological tribalism it only means that we have to review what were the problems solved by the last system, the problems we face now and think about new solutions.

We need to go up on this discussion. Far above the passions for control and alienation of the present system.


It is not rational to agree with both my quotes and the quotes from the other two dolts, because they are mutually exclusive.

Regarding l3552, I have shown upthread and else where that involuntary, perennial reputation (a.k.a. politics; as opposed to voluntary, violable, ephemeral pseudonyms) combined with collectivized top-down control, destroy entropy even at the end game collapse (not collapse into higher entropy as you erroneously claimed in the past).

Regarding thaaanos, I have explained upthread that the decentralized (self-possessed knowledge capital) Knowledge Age scales exponentially with network effects which the stored monetary (proxy indirect aggregation slavery) capital intensive Industrial Age could not do. Efficiency in the tangible Stone, Bronze, Agricultural, and Industrial Ages is not the same as efficiency in an intangible virtual, networked, Knowledge Age. Efficiency is another term (analogous to misunderstandings you all have about order, chaos, and disorder) that you apparently do not understand in the holistic sense. You misapply concepts as you did with "mutation" and "fitness".

I grow weary ("diminishing returns") because you don't appear make any progress. I am coming to the realization you are unteachable.

If I need to be taught, then make a rational rebuttal that unequivocally (not another "this is what I believe" handwaving post) refutes what I have shown. You can't. It is simply your irrational belief system that is in control of you.

Unfortunately I have come to the regrettable, logical conclusion you are a closet socialist pig masquerading as a Libertarian. The illusion may even be convincing to yourself.

It is discouraging me to ever again expend any effort with individuals which display leanings towards emotional attachment to "fixing nature" in the context of "brother love" (fucking Marxists lie to themselves about the true result of their misplaced "idealism"). If you and your camrades-in-collectivized-orgies cohorts here were in charge, we'd have widespread macro-economic failure. Well fuck, your ilk are in charge of the governments and that is why you all will destroy yourselves.

I expended so much effort trying to educate readers and it seems it is mostly a waste of my time (except in the sense of refining my own understanding). What really matters now is actions towards what my theory calls for. It seems nothing can be accomplished in terms of trying to educate you socialists to respect the free market a.k.a. Adam Smith's Invisible Hand.

7747  Economy / Economics / Re: Economic Devastation on: April 23, 2015, 11:47:55 AM
I rest my case. You are now on ignore. Fuck off.

Indeed you've proven the ego essay in spades. Exactly as expected.

Ignoring the most important information is a wise move of your feminine, hindbrain, emotional ego overruling your rational, masculine brain.

How is that ZeroHedge adrenalin rush lately? (you didn't like it when I told you frankly that if you praise ZH then you may be addicted to propaganda noise)

When you calm down and your menstruation has finished, the funniest part is you will be using my code and not even know it.  Wink  Cool  Lips sealed  Tongue
7748  Economy / Economics / Re: Economic Devastation on: April 23, 2015, 11:45:21 AM
Coinits, as I already wrote (and you were too dumb to get the point), if you were even slightly resourceful, you could learn about my accomplishments, current projects, and capabilities. Your slanderous lies notwithstanding.

You initiated the attack on me as every B-lister does to an A-list member. You have an ego problem with me, I don't have any ego problem with you. You are irrelevant to my work so why should I even care what you think? I don't.

I want the link to your Github Repository so we can move this conversation up to an adult level.

It is very childish for you to demand from me in an ego hissy fit what you are too lazy to go find.

I don't have a responsibility to educate you about myself. I know damn well than I am an A-lister. I don't need to brag to you about it.

If you want to find out, then do your homework. Don't burden me with your ego and laziness.
7749  Economy / Economics / Re: Economic Devastation on: April 23, 2015, 11:07:21 AM
It is not me with the ego boy. Give me a link to read what you have produced. Let me see your github repository. Otherwise STFU.

Are you on Lithium?

Your post is internally inconsistent with its assertion.

All the information you desire is available if you were even slightly resourceful.

Since you didn't read at the link I provided, I will quote for your lazy ass.

http://esr.ibiblio.org/?p=1404

Quote
The B-list people, the bright second-raters, may be all sharp elbows and ego assertion, but there’s a calm space at the top that the absolutely most capable ones get to and tend to stay in.

...

No. It’s more that ego games have a diminishing return. The farther you are up the ability and achievement bell curve, the less psychological gain you get from asserting or demonstrating your superiority over the merely average, and the more prone you are to welcome discovering new peers because there are so damn few of them that it gets lonely. There comes a point past which winning more ego contests becomes so pointless that even the most ambitious, suspicious, external-validation-fixated strivers tend to notice that it’s no fun any more and stop.

I’m not speaking abstractly here. I’ve always been more interested in doing the right thing than doing what would make me popular, to the point where I generally figure that if I’m not routinely pissing off a sizable minority of people I should be pushing harder.

Unfortunately I thought CoinCube might be my peer but alas he has failed miserably by refusing to be rational. I will explain in my reply to him next...

Note smooth might be my peer, although he may not agree. That he doesn't work with me is actually a positive sign of his independence.
7750  Economy / Economics / Re: Economic Devastation on: April 23, 2015, 11:06:01 AM

I have been aware of that website for several years.

In South America, there are better climate choices than the eastern Chaco and expect to pay $1500+ per ha for large areas.

You really don't understand what the elite are planning for South America:

https://www.google.com/search?q=paraguay+paramilitaries

Problem is security in remote locations, but I guess if you can afford a large land, then you can afford to set up some security. But locals hired for security can plot against you.

http://ferfal.blogspot.com/2014/11/rural-crime-keeps-getting-worse-what-do.html

http://ferfal.blogspot.com/search/label/Self-Defense


My main point in this sub-thread discussion is that .gov will have trouble controlling us all.  1984 might very well not happen like that.  A "soft dictatorship" (think "It Takes A Village") seems more likely.  Ugly, yes.

I don't fathom any difference between "It Takes A Village" and 1984. Double-speak indoctrination, electronic money and total control.

My point re the "Drug Wars" is that .gov is NOT omnipotent.  Yes, they are listening much more.  Yes, if you drop by Lima (where I am now) to pick up a kilo, do expect to a Secondary Check at Customs upon return (hey, you are competing...).

But, if any of you have talked with most everyday Feds (Post Office, TSA, do I REALLY need to list more?) you will find that they are not the sharpest knives in the drawer.

Dude you entirely don't understand. The Drug War is a false flag lie designed to fail.

Part of the design and way that totalitarianism prospers is because the sheep and the enforcers are all too dumb to understand what they are participating in.

And now I am starting to conclude that includes many of you all here.

The only potential area where collectivized society will be impotent will be in the synergy of anonymity and the Knowledge Age.
7751  Economy / Economics / Re: Economic Devastation on: April 23, 2015, 10:39:27 AM
You have yet to produce anything of significance. May I suggest that you STFU and go do whatever it is that is going to revolutionize the world and stop harassing people on here.

Hey little kiddie...

I suggest you get an education. You can start by understanding the significance of my contribution in the opening post of this thread and my posts throughout this thread explaining the future and how to synergize with it.

Also my code doesn't give a shit about your useless ego.

P.S. I have ~100 signups already (no advertising yet because I've been fixing bugs and finishing key features, will explode upwards soon) in my new site and am producing something significant there that may compete with Facebook and Viber in the Asian market, but that is only just a small tip of the iceberg of the code I have coming. Who the fuck are you? What have you accomplished kid?
7752  Economy / Economics / Re: Economic Devastation on: April 23, 2015, 10:27:17 AM
They will destroy themselves. No problem. Let them.

Those of us who are capable will side-step their system with a decentralized knowledge age.

This is evolution at work. Survival-of-the-fittest. The weak will cull themselves.

I already told you upthread that reputation is alive and well on pseudonyms along with personal anonymity. Have I not proved that? I have a reputation and I would still have one if I had never revealed my personal identity.

You have never proved anything about this because you don't even know what reputation mean! I am sure none here would ever freely trade wealthy, and not tips, and share values, and not masks, with someone you know nothing nor answer to the same lord.

I don't give a fuck about a person's personal life. I don't need to know your personal identity to know that you a Marxist fool who will perish. I only care about the quality of the code an individual produces. A pseudonym works just fine. You are not ready for the Knowledge Age and it will steamroll over your fucking bullshit desire (masquerading as a "love" and "community" lie) to want to limit the monetary freedom by tying it to everyone's personal identity with the game theory of innuendo and political manipulation that comes with it. Go fuck yourself with your nonsense— totalitarian, jackboot anal injury is soon to follow! And any comrade-in-collectivized-theft who quotes you is fucking himself too! We will steamroll all of you idiots.

7753  Economy / Economics / Re: Economic Devastation on: April 23, 2015, 12:07:35 AM
They will destroy themselves. No problem. Let them.

Those of us who are capable will side-step their system with a decentralized knowledge age.

This is evolution at work. Survival-of-the-fittest. The weak will cull themselves.

I already told you upthread that reputation is alive and well on pseudonyms along with personal anonymity. Have I not proved that? I have a reputation and I would still have one if I had never revealed my personal identity.

Enough of the redundant crap please.

I am waiting for CoinCube to come back and admit I am correct on all points.
7754  Economy / Economics / Re: Economic Devastation on: April 22, 2015, 11:44:58 PM
But, a small thing that gives me some comfort is that the "War on Drugs" has not been won.

You have a lot of learning to do.

The entire point of me mentioning the War on Drugs is that these are lies pitched to us by the drug runners who run our governments. You do know the CIA is shipping drugs from Central America into the USA?

https://www.google.com.ph/search?q=oliver+north+CIA+drug+running

https://www.google.com.ph/search?q=Gary+Webb+CIA+drug+running

It was never designed to be won. It was a lie to fool the idiot masses. Thus it has been a massive propaganda success.

Do you know the POTUS Bush family have purchased large tracts of land in Paraguay and have set up a US military base there?

http://www.theguardian.com/world/2006/oct/23/mainsection.tomphillips

http://projectavalon.net/forum4/showthread.php?8888-I-Now-KNOW-WHY-the-Bush-Family-bought-100-000-Acres-in-Paraguay-
7755  Economy / Economics / Re: Economic Devastation on: April 22, 2015, 08:50:54 PM
I have no confidence in technical analysis.

Ditto.

But I am beginning to warm to Armstrong´s cycles ideas.

They incorporate more dimensions of data than near-term TA.

I buy gold and never let it go.  Re BTC, I only spend it on Au and twice on platinum.

Also re Au and BTC, hey I just buy when I have extra $.  Especially Au.  I don´t even really care about the price of gold, I just stack it.

I may be very near to the amount of BTC I want to HODL.  Should I spend BTC on gold, then I typically approximiately replace the BTC I spent.

The problem is the powers-that-be will shut off our means to exchange our gold for assets and money. They can track our activity on Bitcoin, they are eliminating cash, and they will tighten scrutiny of real estate ownership and transactions.

Do you think this is a joke? We are in a 309 year peaking cycle of collectivism.

So you will be stuck with all this gold that you can't do a damn thing with, unless you declare it then have it confiscated and taxed to hell. They will paint goldbugs as terrorists. Your gold will be confiscated because it was "involved in drug trade or other illicit activity" and they won't need to prove. The police will just seize it because the government won't be able to pay their salaries.

I don't think being in Peru will protect you from that. Maybe but the USA is well aware and planning probably to turn uncooperative States into war zones to complete the looting. Also South Americans are very socialist. Do you really think Martha the Peruvian mother chicken vendor is going to trade you chicken for gold coins or instead cheer the government of Peru hunting down "tax cheats" who are "causing the bad economy".

We are heading into a tempest.

You should only be stacking things normal people will trade you for and only in quantities that you can reasonably barter. So recognizeable gold coins(, and some 1/10 or 1/5 oz coins too but are you really going to risk trading these with sting operations and muggers lurking?).

You best hope is someone creates an anonymous black market where you can still trade your gold for untraceable electronic digits back and forth. But then meetups for physical gold will be busted with sting operations. BurtW was busted by a string.

There is a reason the Bible says they will throw their gold and silver into the streets. This is the 666 era and the end of blackmarkets.

I am hoping we can avert that with technological innovation, but I tell you other than unverified, vaporware Skycoin and perhaps myself, afaik I don't think anyone seriously capable is really doing anything. Monero et al are sort of half-baked and they haven't finished the job of what needs to be done.

I am not extremely optimistic (yet also not giving up and not pessimistic) but hope to dig back into crypto-currency programming soon...

P.S. my health is dramatically improving! I feel all my facilities and acumen returning.
7756  Economy / Economics / Re: Economic Devastation on: April 22, 2015, 08:18:51 PM
You fools need to start taking me seriously!

China has entered its waterfall collapse (to bottom by 2020 before the West will).

http://socialblessing.com/chinas-rapid-economic-slowdown-is-probably-even-worse-than-the-government-will-admit/

Expert JCapital’s Anne Stevenson-Yang (shocking!!):
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=C2SStFt-k_A (skip to 3 min point in the video)



http://armstrongeconomics.com/2015/04/19/fractional-banking-china/

Quote from: Armstrong
You can really start to feel 2015.75 coming. This is going to be a harder fall than 2007-2009 for outside the USA we are in a declining mode since 2007, which should bottom by 2020. This is a DEBT CRISIS not a bubble in stocks or commodities thins time.

As of tomorrow morning, the central bank of China has cut its reserve ration by 1%. So fractional banking is being increased to confront the problems we truly face. When the US economy turns down, it is not going to be a pretty sight.


Extra reading:

http://blog.mpettis.com/2014/12/how-might-a-china-slowdown-affect-the-world/

http://www.macrobusiness.com.au/2015/04/us-growing-faster-china/

http://www.macrobusiness.com.au/2014/11/how-jobs-will-queer-chinese-rebalancing/
7757  Economy / Economics / Re: Economic Devastation on: April 22, 2015, 07:43:49 PM
I would agree if fitness is the only requirement.
but it is not there is also the requirement of efficiency, and for that the only path is growth.

Over the long-term, fitness is the only way to maximize "progress" (a.k.a. "growth").

It doesn't matter if you like it or not, nature's free market will steamroll any attempts to control or order (i.e. top-down control) it.

Shrimps have more deggrees of freedom but that will not help them when the whale scoops them.
shrimps have greater degree of freedom but but whales outlive them by far.

Simpleton minds think degrees-of-freedom only applies to 3D spacial movement.

Degrees-of-freedom applies to all possible events, including the freedom to think, live long, etc..

That efficiency can only be achieved with growth and scaling up, which of course limits degrees of freedom and can cause extinction events.

Cripes you are still ignorant of the salient point of the opening post of this thread— that the Industrial Age required economies-of-scale because of the high fixed capital component of production (e.g. factories) whereas the Knowledge Age scales decentralized because the most significant cost of production is now the individual's knowledge.

Network effects provide the symbiosis scaling in the Knowledge Age, e.g. someone writes some open source which gains enough following and maturity that I can reuse it in a project I am doing and then my open source project gains enough following and maturity that others can reuse...

...The untapped entropy in Reed's law is astronomical.

So in the end do you accept that agents are systems that are threatened by internal entropy accumulation or not?

Nonsense. If I don't reply to your nonsense again, let this post serve as a hint as to why I am ignoring you.

even with a multitude agents if they do not seek to diversify aka mutate (coincube argument) you still have the entropy of one, numbers do not protect you from monoculture. And if we see the current merits of the silicon valley this is what one observes monoculture.  

You don't make any sense because CoinCube's argument is that too much mutation can be unstable, but CoinCube's strawman is inapplicable as I explained.

as to networks
a clique has max network effect but 0 entropy

Hey mathematical idiot, go study Reed's law of exponential scaling of network utility. A clique can't scale exponentially dimwit. What dimwit would think a single monoculture (clique) could scale exponentially to be maximally connected to all humans on earth.  Huh

I will not feed him by replying further to his off-topic nonsense. He can't seem to grasp that I wasn't writing about monoculture nor any of his nonsense thinking. As if the Silicon Valley reflects the culture of the entire world, or the future global Knowledge Age.  Roll Eyes

For example, the Hoverbike wasn't Kickstarted in the Silicon Valley.
7758  Economy / Economics / Re: Economic Devastation on: April 22, 2015, 06:11:31 PM
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Subject: Adam Smith’s Invisible Hand explained with simple math; why our society is insane
Date:    Wed, April 22, 2015 2:48 pm
To:      "Armstrong Economics" <armstrongeconomics@gmail.com>
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CoinCube,

We need to have this discussion on a mathematical level, so that you can have an epiphany. I will now irrefutably destroy all rational basis for your political philosophy.


Perhaps you were just being humorous, but that fiery imagery is the antithesis of the concept of Antifragility.

Antifragility has nothing to do with power, strength, nor any controllable attributes.

Antifragility is about the ability of autonomous systems to fit(ness) to a plurality of orthogonal (a.k.a. divergent or multifurcating) paths that always exist in reality, because the autonomous actors have degrees-of-freedom with which to follow divergent paths. For example tying shoelaces together forsakes the degrees-of-freedom to run, and can at best hobble or hop.

Whereas, top-down controlled systems (such as collectivized governance) remove degrees-of-freedom—that is have lower entropy (a.k.a. more order per the physicists' and mathematicians' definition of order)—and thus can't adapt to a plurality of divergent paths, instead spiraling into (single-minded) self-reinforcing “over commitment to egregious error”. Mathematically the error is the aggregate (such as the root mean square of the) distance of the plurality of paths from what they would have been if autonomous. Note that the ability to top-down control others is mathematically coupled to the ability to top-down create this error! Profound. Read that over and over again until the significance is fully appreciated.

You even cited my noteworthy contribution on this topic as follows.

TPTB where we often seem to diverge is in the area of coercion. In my opinion some of the very best of your writings was in your discussion on freedom of action.  

Quote from: Anonymint
The Rise of Knowledge
Energy of Knowledge

In theoretical terms, we can say that software production has a very high degrees-of-freedom, compared to hardware production. In science, degrees-of-freedom can be equivalent to potential energy. Thus software has orders-of-magnitude more potential energy than the production with hard resources or manual labor.

Imagine a vehicle without a reverse gear, it has one less degree-of-freedom, thus it has to go around the block in order to go in reverse, thus consuming more energy and which is the same as noting it had less potential energy to contribute.
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Visualize an object held in the center of a large sphere with springs attached to the object in numerous directions to the inside wall of the sphere. These springs oppose movement of the object in numerous directions, and must be removed in order to lower the friction and increase the degrees-of-freedom of the movement of the object. With increased degrees-of-freedom, less work is required to produce a diversity of configurations (i.e. movements, or analogously new features in software), thus less power to produce them faster. And the configuration of the subject matter which results from the work, thus decays (i.e. becomes unfit slower), because the resistance forces are smaller.

Requiring less work, to produce more of what is needed and faster, with a greater longevity of fitness, is thus a form of potential energy. Think about the term “fitness”-- it means how efficiently does our system adapt to new configurations. Potential energy is fitness.




contrary to CoinCube's assertions that chaotic systems don't converge

I showed that that in a system without hierarchial structure failure to converge to a fitness landscape will occur if entropy exceeds an critical level. I did so with a simplified biological model where this result can be shown definitively and mathamatically. The same model shows a lack entropy will also result in a failure to converge and that increasing entropy will increase the rate of convergence until an inflection point is reached. Pushing entropy beyond this inflection point will slow convergence. Beyond the error threshold the system won't converge at all.

If I recall correctly the research you have cited at the above quoted link, it models the mutation rate in a changing environment to detect whether the replicating species can converge on ideal fitness to the environment. If the error rate of mutation is too high—that is if the random mutations are too great or numerous—the replicating species fails to attain fitness to environment and instead diverges (presumably to extinction).

You have countered that this model is not applicaple to real human societies which are obviously far more complex than simple nuclaic acid chains. You also countered that such extreme entropy will never occur in human societies since we naturally self organize to follow leaders (thought leaders, religious leaders, politicians, gang leaders, warlords, ect).

The applicability of the model is a fair challenge. However, I see little reason to think that the same general rules do not apply to our more complex society.

That “sparkling academic cathedral” nonsense research above makes two crucial assumptions which refute its ability to model any real world conditions.

1. The assumption that ‘mutation’ can be defined and measured.

2. The assumption that ‘fitness’ can be defined and measured.

In real life, we have no way to discern which actions made by autonomous actors are mutations from some idealized actions. In other words, we have no means of knowing which of smorgasbord plurality of autonomous actions being done today are providing fitness. Moreover, we have no way of discerning nor measuring fitness. All we can do is cherry pick top-down goals and erroneously (lies to our fucking Marxist selves!) declare those as targets for fitness, e.g. War on Drugs, War on Poverty, War on Corruption, War on Financial Crimes, War on Terrorism, War on Human Trafficking, etc.. But as I explained in the prior section about Antifragility above, all forms of top-down control increase the over commitment to egregious error, because by definition they can not autonomously fit the plurality of circumstances that autonomous actors experience.

Your research constructs the strawman that if we could define and measure what is mutation and fitness, then we could identify a threshold rate of mutation (deviation)—that is the threshold entropy of the system—which would not converge on fitness. But this is nonsense because we can not define nor measure those terms in the real world. Nature converges towards fitness otherwise we would be extinct and/or not progressing technologically.

This is precisely Adam Smith's Invisible Hand. Now I have mathematically defined it.

You correctly pointed out that there is an asymmetry of systemic risk today with the risk of collectivism far exceeding the risks of individualism. I agree, however, the reason our current system is dangerous is not because it is excessivly rigid. A system that was mearly excessivly ordered would still eventually (if very slowly) converge on optimal outcomes. The system poises a systemic risk because it is grossly unsustainable.

The danger is because the top-down systems over commit to the aggregate error in a self-reinforcing spiral that will kill the host. The only reason the host doesn't die is because autonomous actors find frontiers to escape the top-down control.

True that error often manifests itself in terms of exhausting resources.

The true risks arise from possibility of complete systemic collapse. This raises the specter of the Mad Max scenario. It is possible that an unstable order will breakdown so completly that entropy will rise uncontrollable and rapidly. Our society (like the simple biological model) can also exceed an error threshold. This occurs when knowledge is systemically destroyed rather than created. Think worldwide loss of electricity, nulcear holocaust, survival of the fittest with mass starvation. These are all extreme entropy scenarios where knowledge would be systemically lost.

Agreed that the end game of the self-reinforcing accumulation of error can reach a breaking point and waterfall event into reversal of quality of life that renders autonomous actors unable to act in their best interests in terms of annealing fitness and can plunge into a Dark Age.

This happens because the autonomous actors in the system were unable to find sufficient frontiers to escape the top-down control.

For example imagine myself having to expend all my energy and time just to forage for food and no computer and internet to maximize my mental productivity and efficacy.

This is precisely why I am working feverishly towards technological frontiers for humanity.

However, it is mathematically incorrect to characterize such collapse as a high level of entropy. When all the humans are essentially in survival, subsistence mode, the entropy has been drastically reduced because this a reversion in specialization (a.k.a. maximum division-of-labor) and thus the information content has been radically lowered and they are all basically doing the less specialized activities. For example, you would reduce a significant portion of my current knowledge base inapplicable in an environment where I had to forage for food all day. I do not have extensive expertise nor experience in foraging.

A Dark Age is particularly dangerous because modern humans are not adapted and can't adapt quickly to the lifestyle of yore.
  
"chaos" happens when order is replaced by cancer, which dies - it will soon become "order" again

I would agree with this and add to it that order becomes cancer the moment it becomes unsustainable and incapable of self correcting. Chaos is the risk that arises from the inevitable death of the cancer.

Order is high entropy which means decentralized leadership by a smorgasbord, plurality of autonomous actors and small groups (communities).

Large scale collectivized top-down control is cancer. (Individual or free market groups top-down control is decentralized leadership).

Both of you are introducing confusion about the meaning of chaos.

What you really mean to say is if top-down control is killing the host, then order becomes too high and the autonomous actors all end of scavenging for food and unable to anneal the system with knowledge production.

An English definition of chaos relates it to confusion and a very high level of disorder. Whereas, Chaos Theory is the study of how the real world is really a non-linear system of autonomous surprises. Fundamentally this is because for example no entity could possibly measure everything in real-time because the speed-of-light is not infinite thus the signal could not travel from the autonomous event to the single observer in infinitesimal time.
7759  Other / Politics & Society / Re: USA to be dismantled by internal & external threats on: April 21, 2015, 10:11:02 PM
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Subject: Pen is mightier than the sword; coming War Cycle will be mostly propaganda
Date:    Tue, April 21, 2015 5:57 pm
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Recall my quotes of Howard Katz upthread wherein he stated, "THE PEN IS MIGHTIER THAN THE SWORD".

I was discussing the likelihood of a Russian EMP attack on the USA here and here, and basically it doesn't seem likely because the global elite want to maintain control.

The elite needed WW2 to prod the USA into war so they could take over the country with a corrupted central bank and income tax fueled by the need to borrow massively during that period. At this time, there are no such strong countries that resist the NWO, thus there is no need for total chaos. Instead the elite want a controlled burn. What we are seeing now is scripted show between globalists' elite controlled countries and leaders (e.g. the Russia vs. NATO scripted conflict propaganda), to scare and lead the masses into the NWO. Nevertheless globalist the-powers-that-be want to raise the fear factor as much as possible to keep the Marxist (reliance on government) sheep locked into the headlights all the way through. Thus limited EMP attack is not implausible, if they are sure they can prevent this from spinning out-of-control to full scale nuclear war. Rather it is much more likely this will be a "virtual war" where the war is mostly about propaganda on mass and social media (a viral disease of collectivist political correctness mass delusion) to program the minds of the masses to accept the NWO savior. Do you understand now why the CIA and bankster's such as Goldman and JP Morgan financed Facebook and control every major mass media operation? Thus if you are addicted to Alex Jones (Infowars, etc), ZeroHedge, or any other hyperventilated, sensationalists media outlet, then you are already hooked into this "virtual war" mind programming. You probably stack gold too which is another confirmation.

In short, Armstrong's coming War Cycle will be an informational war, because we have moved into the information age. Also because people are mostly zombies now (rational, critical, independent thinkers are rare).

There will be a POTUS "election" in November 2016 but it will be a farce and this will propel the rebellion after 2016 which leads to the breakup of the USA over the coming decades, especially as the economy turns down hard starting later in 2017. For the elite's NWO plans, all that matters is to control the mass media propaganda that will portray patriotic civil disobedience as anarchy, warlordism, terrorism, extremism, and lack of order (i.e. chaos).

As I wrote previously, it won't be until after 2017 that the USA turns down hard economically (although the actuarial decline is underway and accelerating, it is masked by the international capital inflows and the $trillion cash deficits to keep the masses oblivious).

As I wrote previously, the USA peaked and began it's decline on April 2013 with Edward Snowden's expose.

As I wrote previously, a global pandemic circa 2018-2019 could be caused by or exacerbate the coming wars.

I have written many times about China's ruling party being fully on board for the plan of the global elite to turn the world into a global technocracy, most recently here from page 8 of iamback's posts. Technocracy means a world controlled from the top-down, including for example Smart Meters in the home so that even they can monitor and shut off your appliances from the central command station.

P.S. Anyone on the lookout for something I might be working on should note the post I made in the Skycoin thread.
7760  Economy / Economics / Re: Economic Devastation on: April 21, 2015, 10:03:06 PM
Please re-read my upthread post with my dates and predictions for the upcoming Economic Devastation. I made significant edits to that post.



P.S. CoinCube, I am trying to push your thread over the 100,000 'reads' (really views) milestone before I depart.

P.S.S. Yesterday evening on rolling hill terrain, I ran a 9 min. mile, rested an hour, then ran an 8 min. mile, followed by 4 x 150 meter sprints, followed by 20 minutes of aggressive basketball. An 8 min. mile is not really great for a guy that ran in the mid 4s min. mile in high school on a flat track (and sub-5 min. on hilly terrain), but at age 50 (in June) on hilly terrain and battling to recover from Multiple Sclerosis I think it is a noteworthy milestone. I used to be able to get under 6 min. mile until I got sick in 2006, even I wasn't training enough nor in great running shape. So the 8 min. mile is noteworthy only because of coming down from very slow 10+ min. mile as I have been treating my MS since start of April with high dose vitamin D3.
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