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781  Economy / Speculation / Re: Wall Observer BTC/USD - Bitcoin price movement tracking & discussion on: December 31, 2018, 11:25:48 AM

Congrats, Globbo.  Micgoosens comp winners are rare beasts.
782  Economy / Speculation / Re: Wall Observer BTC/USD - Bitcoin price movement tracking & discussion on: December 30, 2018, 10:45:19 PM
Hey Jbear I got a great deal for you (limited time offer).  

If you swap all of your remaining Bitcoin for SV you will immediately get a 45x return.  And that’s not all, you will have the satisfaction of devoting your financial resources to the network that represents Satoshi’s VisionTM.  How amazing is that?

It would be the strongest endorsement you could give, and an opportunity to show us minimalists the way.

I am sure he will, I mean he is a man of principle.
He won't. In this case, principal overrides principle.

Actually, respect where respect is due: one thing I am sure of is that he is not stupid.

783  Economy / Speculation / Re: Wall Observer BTC/USD - Bitcoin price movement tracking & discussion on: December 30, 2018, 09:33:28 PM
We've had this discussion already, haven't we.

::sigh:: Indeed, we have. Yet you continue to re-engage.

You don't have any right to defend any bcash bashing here.

This thread is bitcoin, not bcash, so stop trying to assert that you are on equal grounds when you continue to support a bitcoin attack vector.

Luv ya, JJG. Now fuck right off.

Hey Jbear I got a great deal for you (limited time offer).  

If you swap all of your remaining Bitcoin for SV you will immediately get a 45x return.  And that’s not all, you will have the satisfaction of devoting your financial resources to the network that represents Satoshi’s VisionTM.  How amazing is that?

It would be the strongest endorsement you could give, and an opportunity to show us minimalists the way.

Go on, lead by example !

I am sure he will, I mean he is a man of principle.
784  Economy / Speculation / Re: Wall Observer BTC/USD - Bitcoin price movement tracking & discussion on: December 30, 2018, 11:17:15 AM
Interesting!
What % do we give this ETF of being successful (just an estimate).

I think it's still a particularly large and corpulent

100.00

myself.



FTFY Cheesy

I think Gentlemand's actual estimate is closer than yours. But cheers for the cheer (and all the pest control work).
785  Economy / Speculation / Re: Wall Observer BTC/USD - Bitcoin price movement tracking & discussion on: December 30, 2018, 10:12:51 AM

PS: for the rest of you with the hollow hippy platitudes (about natural world and lice infested salmon farms) rebutting real solutions is just the same old, same old, greenster glass half-empty, backward-looking, misanthropism (you've been brain washed by UN Agenda 21 propaganda to cede control over your own destiny) ... ultimately stop whinging and put some local solutions on the table (changing the direction of the global herd at this point is futile), failing that if it's less humans in the planet that you truly want, well .... charity begins at home, terminate your self first and your genetic descendants too if you feel that strongly anti-humanity.

How imperious and dismissive you are.  Ease up and at least engage rather than purely insulting people you look down upon so much you suggest they commit suicide if they disagree with your world view.  If you're looking for a misanthrope, look in the mirror.

Fish farming is not wrong per se, but if it is done in a way that is toxic it's not much of a solution.  What is currently being sold is hormone-filled, dye-fed and harmful to the natural fish population that would be sustainable without the farms being placed where they are.

The farms would work if they were separated better so their toxic wastes and diseases were dealt with, but the farming lobby is the one brainwashing by refusing to acknowledge the pollution and disease problem, because of profits. Ask the Canadians about the Pacific salmon run devastation and the diseased fish in the supermarkets.

The solution is water sources that are not directly connected to the natural fish populations. Their being just conveniently caged where they are (to save money) rather than in lakes or tanks away from the runs is a problem.  There are few standards in the farmed fish industry that keep it clean and healthy that is all.

If that suggestion of a solution makes me 'anti-humanity', I give up on trying to convince you of anything, no matter how wrong you are.
786  Economy / Speculation / Re: Wall Observer BTC/USD - Bitcoin price movement tracking & discussion on: December 30, 2018, 12:46:35 AM
I think we are gradually destroying the plants, animals and environment we live in and I cannot respect anyone who considers it is not - at the very least... a problem.

We (as a whole) are probably doing just that, but what's the solution?
7 bil cannot eat natural food, albeit, one can do it if he/she has enough resources/money.

Fair comment.  But I don't think destroying the natural environment entirely while we think about the sulution is the best idea.

Some people are trying to tell us to keep the natural world alive - since we might regret it.  It took millions of years to develop - we won't replace it in a generation easily, science or no science.

I would like to keep that option open. 
787  Economy / Speculation / Re: Wall Observer BTC/USD - Bitcoin price movement tracking & discussion on: December 30, 2018, 12:29:15 AM
I've actually been thinking about how viable a salmon or whatever pond/lake/farm on private property could be. I looked into it but found hardly anything useful beyond a basic confirmation that it's possible. Do you happen to have any idea as to how small scaled fish-farming could be made and how economical/costly it would be or have any reading pointers otherwise? Basically trying to figure out if it's mostly initial fixed costs or if it'll cost a fortune in sustaining. Would love a fucking salmon farm on my property.

I'm not sure salmon, being anadromous, can be reared in ponds, perhaps.

The salmon farms around here occupy valuable estuary areas and are severely infested with some sort of aquatic lice which then attack the young wild salmon as they come down to the salt water.

Same as it ever was.


Yep, spot on.

Personally I have stopped buying farmed fish.  It's not just because of the sea lice, either.  Norwegian salmon farms have severe disease problems which - via imported young - have infected and drastically depleted formerly plentiful Canadian Pacific wild salmon stocks.  If you knew what wild salmon should look like (and I do), you would never buy the farmed mutant version supermarkets sell you as so-called 'sustainably sourced' fish.

There is a fight in Iceland (with good wild Atlantic salmon stocks like those which were once everywhere) to stop farming in areas where wild salmon run. I support this and I do know a little about it.  However, commercial farmed fish is now almost all you can buy if you want to buy 'salmon' in a supermarket in many parts of the west. Most people don't realise what this actaully means - they think fish is just fish and don't care.

It's not just salmon, either.  In Turkey, sea bass are being bred with appalling quality control and dubious growing methods.  Fish that is possibly not chemically fit for human consumption is being fed into the European market - again described as 'sustainable'.

Fish farming is not a simple solution and is woefully unregulated, it is actually decreasing wild stocks and giving us unquestioned production of unhealthy fish in the pursuit of profit.  Plus ça change.  Fish is a great food, but wild stocks are collapsing and human kind will lose yet another food resource that it really needs and could save with better husbandry.

Dismissing all environmental cocerns as 'socialist' and namby pamby shit is puerile and flies in the face of any eruditely researched evidence.  It even affects the food from our once-abundant sustainable envrironment.  We need to look after it, and open our eyes to how big business provides solutions that are actually not solutions at all, but dangerous and unhealthy (if very profitable) alternatives, which reduce the option for a healhier choice by killing it off.

'Be careful what you eat' is not a bad maxim, but fish stock destruction is just a symptom of a wider malaise.  And if that makes me a socialist for just saying I want the right to eat healthy, real natural undoctored food, well...  shoot me?  

I think we are gradually destroying the plants, animals and environment we live in and I cannot respect anyone who considers it is not - at the very least... a problem.

EDIT: spelling
788  Alternate cryptocurrencies / Speculation (Altcoins) / Re: [XMR] Monero Speculation on: December 27, 2018, 11:04:28 AM
Not at all bad Medium article on Monero:

https://medium.com/all-things-venture-capital/privacy-protocol-analysis-monero-c116d7c2106f
789  Economy / Speculation / Re: Wall Observer BTC/USD - Bitcoin price movement tracking & discussion on: December 25, 2018, 11:23:28 AM
Merry Chrismas to all on the WO...

I am off to eat drink and be Merry with my family.
790  Economy / Speculation / Re: Wall Observer BTC/USD - Bitcoin price movement tracking & discussion on: December 25, 2018, 11:22:25 AM
In other Christmas traditions, Mrs V8s' Aga went out sometime in the night. Certain dogs were complaining of the chill by 5am. It restarted easily enough for once, but is useless for anything till tomorrow really.
We do have a spare gas cooker in the back kitchen, but she uses all that for the Christmas meals on wheels for the villages, while I attend to our own lunch in her kitchen and entertain anyone staying plus the drivers who ferry the meals around.
Right, so lots of early morning rallying around later, heaters have been borrowed and showers had in friends' bathrooms.
Can see our own lunch not being ready till 5 or so, which is fine. All very Spanish hours.
Every year we promise ourselves to sort the plumbing, heating and cooking arrangements out in this house, but it would be a huge upheaval and a total waste of filthy fiat moneys, which would be far better spent on certain proper, sound, valuable, store of wealth type things.

Sorry to hear it, I used to suffer exactly the same malaise, but in. my case it was because it was an oil fired Aga, and seemed to just get the fuel line clogged in any long chill around Christmas - the oil woudl 'wax' a little I was told.  Sod's law, but I feel for ya...

Loved the Banksy Christmas tree pic BTW, not sure if it was fully appreciated....

791  Economy / Speculation / Re: Wall Observer BTC/USD - Bitcoin price movement tracking & discussion on: December 24, 2018, 10:01:52 AM
Today I will mostly be plucking a goose. Wish me luck!
Assuming that is not a euphemism, good luck.  I have only ever prepped and cooked ready plucked ones.  

If you haven't cooked goose before, one thing to watch is the huge amount of fat a goose seems to contain.   So have a deep tray and take care when getting it out of the oven.

I stumbled a little with the pan once, the goose shifted and the entire kitchen floor was instantly a pool of fat.


EDIT:  Good choice - much better than a boring, tasteless and dry turkey.  Enjoy!
Thanks no I've got used to it over the years. Glad to hear there's another aficionado here, it's just so tasty compared to even the best turkey. Even better, it doesn't go that far, so we can't have a massive party.
Her name was Geraldine, and she was a good goose.

It seems Geraldine took one for the team, so don't forget to raise a glass to her.
792  Economy / Speculation / Re: Wall Observer BTC/USD - Bitcoin price movement tracking & discussion on: December 23, 2018, 10:50:27 AM
Today I will mostly be plucking a goose. Wish me luck!
Assuming that is not a euphemism, good luck.  I have only ever prepped and cooked ready plucked ones.  

If you haven't cooked goose before, one thing to watch is the huge amount of fat a goose seems to contain.   So have a deep tray and take care when getting it out of the oven.

I stumbled a little with the pan once, the goose shifted and the entire kitchen floor was instantly a pool of fat.


EDIT:  Good choice - much better than a boring, tasteless and dry turkey.  Enjoy!
793  Economy / Speculation / Re: Wall Observer BTC/USD - Bitcoin price movement tracking & discussion on: December 22, 2018, 10:20:06 PM


One better worse than that. If you work for them you may well not even get a paycheck.
794  Economy / Speculation / Re: Wall Observer BTC/USD - Bitcoin price movement tracking & discussion on: December 21, 2018, 05:38:55 PM
Just a little perspective for this year in 'other markets':

https://twitter.com/fiquant/status/1076118064079536128

'GLOBAL STOCK MARKET CAP LOSS SINCE JANUARY IS $16.7 TRILLION'

But what's a few trillion these days, eh?
795  Economy / Speculation / Re: Wall Observer BTC/USD - Bitcoin price movement tracking & discussion on: December 21, 2018, 10:03:15 AM
UK HMRC chucks in its two pence:

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Only in exceptional circumstances would HMRC expect individuals to buy and sell cryptoassets with such frequency, level of organisation and sophistication that the activity amounts to a financial trade in itself. If it is considered to be trading then Income Tax will take priority over Capital Gains Tax and will apply to profits (or losses) as it would be considered as a business.

As with any activity, the question whether cryptoasset activities amount to trading depends on a number of factors and the individual circumstances. Whether an individual is engaged in a financial trade through the activity of buying and selling cryptoassets will ultimately be a question of fact. It’s often the case that individuals and companies entering into transactions consisting of buying and selling cryptoassets will describe them as ‘trades’. However, the use of the term ‘trade’ in this context is not sufficient to be regarded as a financial trade for tax purposes.

A trade in cryptoassets would be similar in nature to a trade in shares, securities and other financial products. Therefore the approach to be taken in determining whether a trade is being conducted or not would also be similar, and guidance can be drawn from the existing case law on trading in shares and securities.

Lots of other stuff in there about airdrops and forks

https://www.gov.uk/government/publications/tax-on-cryptoassets/cryptoassets-for-individuals

Thanks Hairy, well spotted - this is the first new stuff they've posted since 2014 (when they were vague and talked about it possibly being seen as 'gambling')

Now, how to put all the data together when a lot of the exchanges from way back are long gone; BTCE, Cryptsy, Gox et al. 

I will need to face up to my dirty little Alt flirtations over the years, of which I am sure I will find contain many embarrassing sojourns I had totally forgotten.
796  Economy / Speculation / Re: Wall Observer BTC/USD - Bitcoin price movement tracking & discussion on: December 20, 2018, 11:30:09 PM


haha if she's a NOCOINER then its a good trick to pull of

Jeez, Mic...  if a nocoiner has good legs, you can surely make an exception?
797  Economy / Speculation / Re: Wall Observer BTC/USD - Bitcoin price movement tracking & discussion on: December 20, 2018, 11:11:30 PM
holy hell

is that 80x long still open?

Personally I admired his cajones, but I think cashing out at 41XX would have made sense.  

Edit:  But I will be happy to be proved wrong Wink
798  Alternate cryptocurrencies / Speculation (Altcoins) / Re: [XMR] Monero Speculation on: December 20, 2018, 11:05:50 PM

Thoughts?  

Over 13% against fiat today, and rising against BTC too.  So not really worried.  

Honeypony don't give a shit Wink

Yes, many still support fiat, so not much change with the emergence and development of such projects. Very many states will be able to ban a lot because it adversely affects the banking systems.

The 'legacy' banking system, you mean.  And now XMR is up 17% in fiat terms in 24 hours.

So, frankly... You seem to be missing the point.  I mean; 'development' - where have you been..?
799  Economy / Speculation / Re: Wall Observer BTC/USD - Bitcoin price movement tracking & discussion on: December 20, 2018, 10:50:59 PM

OK, I stand corrected:

Hey JJG, it's still Thursday
800  Economy / Speculation / Re: Wall Observer BTC/USD - Bitcoin price movement tracking & discussion on: December 20, 2018, 10:32:19 PM
I don't mind JJG, it makes the WO pages easier to catch up on Wink
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