you can watch it here.

https://www.cryptocompare.com/mining/calculator/eth?HashingPower=&HashingUnit=MH%2Fs&PowerConsumption=&CostPerkWh=&MiningPoolFee=

i look this page like 100 times a day. That's why i see those changes.

considering i can only get 18,5 mh/s out of my GTX 1060 6gb hynix memory, i would say you are very lucky to get 8 of them to run 23mh/s

begin by telling us your complete setup (psu, cpu, motherboard, etc)

The source is Vitalik.

He has repetedly said he would like 100 million coins. no more than that.

If you enter here : https://etherscan.io/stat/supply

you watch coins generated in 1 day, and you make maths, you´ll see it.

what we don't know is whether Vitalik will allow to have more coins. That's pure especulation. What IT IS NOT, is that in 3 months , according to Vitalik expectations, PoS should be applied to ETH.

really really nice and interesting opinions here. Thanks a lot guys.

I'm one of those that think Bitmain has been mining ETH with ASICS for quite a while now. The fact that you can see 8.000 gh/s switching to ETH in two hours is like watching 44.444 6gpu mining rigs all moving synchronized and deciding the same time to switch there. that's not possible. Someone is cheating. And we are paying the consequences.

I'm afraid Vitalik will not apply any fork to mining with ASICS but PoS , disabling mining, so staying away from miners problem. why would Vitalik apply a fork to disable ASICS if he can already apply PoS and destroy mining? Vitalik needs their chain ready , and he has always said we has enough with 100 million coins.
i don't see a future in ETH unless you are a big whale who believes in the technology rather than it's trading value.

I'm also quite sure that this drop in value of ETH has something to do with this. PoS will not allow small investors to enter. those having 3,4,5 or even 10 ETH coins will not be able to enter , according to some especulations. IF you could drop the price of ETH so that this guys are forced to sell cheap before losing the coin in favour of PoS, big whales would be able to buy cheap coins to increase their participation.

The coin, which will stay linked to the chain, will give you money according to the number of coins you had. I guess this will work like this.

For every smart contract, the money received will be divided by 100 million coins. then the more coins you have, the more money will receive for each. That's not considering the Devs will want a bigger part than investors. If the coin is what gives you the profit once PoS, it's not possible to see that coin in trading, because that would mean you can detach your coin from the chain and sell it to another guy. What if that guy as only one ETH? he could not enter PoS so that coin would be worthless. You will be able, probably  to sell in person to person trading, but i don't see people selling profitable coins if ETH chain is profitable.

I don't think once PoS applied you will be able to buy or sell the coin as we know it nowadays. More of "investor to investor trading". But that would also mean you would have to tell ETH devs that you've increased your participation (because if they don't know the amount of coins you have, they will not pay you for that increase). So ETH devs will know who is buying ETH from other people to gain more control over the company, and they could probably ban that in case there would be a whale getting more coins than devs, which would imply the ETH company would not be in hands of DEVs but in whales hands. And that's not what i would call "decentralization".

AS for mining, week after week my statements are proving true. Mining, top tier mining is not profitable nowadays. you can only win money by mining shitty coins and trading to BTC. not because they are worth a lot, but that difficulty level in those coins allows you to get a big number of them.

the problem of ETH is not even the price, it's the difficulty. Because if we could all get 1 or 2 ETH/month on a 12 gpu mining rig, the price would be a smaller problem. But once you see difficulty going up, price going down and electricity costs always there.....it's obvious that you are getting rekt.

just in case. is yuour memory samsung?

THIS!!!!

miners want instant profit by selling. If you are a holder mining, that doesn't make sense since electricity costs will crash your income.

i aggree in that ETH will go PoS very soon. My guess is in three months from now. But ....i would like to know why PoS would increase the value of ETH. Moreover, i would like to know why ETH would grow more.

I have the contrary opinion on yours.

Bitmain is already mining with Asics ETH. That's a fact.

Why??? Because it's impossible to move 8.000gh/s within 2 hours.

if we consider that normal people have 1 6gpu rig about 180mh/s, That's like saying 44.444 6-gpu's mining rigs were switched to ETH in two hours.  That's impossible. Unless you are using ASICS.

Do you want another argument???

ETH will go PoS in just about 3 months. Bitmain would never sell not even one ETH asic miner once Vitalik published the Casper patch for PoS , so they are begining to sell their equipment.

Bitmain is to be blamed for the increase in difficulty in ETH. And also, by helping to get 100 million coins quicker, advancing the time to PoS.

Fuck those motherfuckers to hell!!!!!

max 1 riser per sata cable.

Why? because risers can use up to 75W. But a cable of SATA can only provide up to 56W more or less.

If you have normal cards, one riser per sata cable is just fine. two i wouldn't recomend it (the cable will get hot, really hot). If you have RX VEGA or 1080 or 1080ti mining with overclock, than SATA cable is a no go.

so it is safe 3 risers??? NOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOO

exactly. you get my point. So why in the hell would you buy coins if market is dying and technical analysis says clearly to stay away??

The answer is: FAITH. People believe blindly on crypto. They would defend this system till the end. That's why i said radicals. They have no clue, argument, technical analysis, data or information to encourage people to buy, or to make people believe in this. But THEY DO IT.

Thats criminal IMO.

when you talk in a radical forum like this, with plenty of hyperventilate radicals of crypto, occurs what occurs.

You see?? when you say "It could take 2 years for the market to recover!" it's obvious that that's your guess. It's based on nothing but the sensation that everything is going down, that something is terribly wrong in the market and that even if good news appears there is no bull run. But in fact, it's based on more than that. Governments and banks are not helping, hacks everywhere, laws and legislations that are coming are not known and that creates the inhibition from investor parts to stay away until then. More over, taxes and the end of anonymity (which is bound to happen soon), don't help either. So there are actually more arguments, far more arguments to support that this is not gonna recover anytime soon, than the contrary.
But people will tell you "Where did you get that idea? where is your point? share your data with us. They are trying to prove you wrong. Although you have more arguments than them.

But, when this hyperventilate guys, say, with no clue, argument, data, technical analysis or anything to support their views, that this will recover, that at the end of 2018 the market will be on the moon, that it's possible to see ETH at 5000$ and shitty things like this, and you tell them wtf are you talking about, they just yell at you by just saying stupid things like for example, that this is just a correction (when cryptomarket has lost 64% of it's max value and ETH for example has lost 45% of its value in just a month. For this guys that like to manipulate you with lies, this is a "correction".


Reality, that of which these hyperventilate guys are very far away, says that this downtrend has not ended, that as time passes by more and more money leaves crypto at huge rates, that with the current situation is possible to not see ever a recovery, or even the end of this cryptoshit.

These guys need you to hold and lose money, because they want to ruin your life. They want you to invest till the last $ here giving no clue or argument to do that, Just the hype they share about their wet dreams.


DO NOT BELIEVE IN ANYONE THAT TELLS YOU TO BUY  CRYPTO WITH NO EVIDENCE, CLUE, ARGUMENT OR DATA. You´ll be rekt.

i don't usually debate o iniciate a debate with morons with no argument to support what they are saying. but i´ll answer anyway.

Numbers for me are clear. ROI for me is more than two years and all of my cards were bought at very low prices. I bought them for half of the actual price. So i'm by no means a guy that jumped in for the hype at all costs. It got me 4 months to get my 10 cards, because i did not want to expend that much on this shitty business.

Someone said : Sell me your rigs. sorry, customs and price of shipping would ruin part of my profit. I prefer to sell them in Spain.

it's insteresting, because you know what? as prices go down, more miners run to ETH. We are currently at 249.000Gh/s. That tells me something. Even the most informed ones, know NOW that those coins that were farming are not giving any profit, that's why they switch to ETH when market is down.

Profit is a word that depends a lot on your view. For me 121€ is not worth the heat it generates, the headhaches you get, the hours monitoring, the attention it needs, and the danger if something burns. Maybe you like risks. Maybe you need them.

someone also said: don't come back when BTC hits ATH. Can you please tell me the argument, the idea, the data, the technical analysis and the news that you have to say that??? Nothing?? that's the type of bullshit i'm just fighting against. People telling you to believe in something just because they believe it.

To assume that everyone has a 1080ti to mine what?? ZEC?? VRT,SPD? JLG? GRLC? Even LUX??? 5$ per day per card??? only Lyra2ver2 right?? yes, because you need really shitty coins that noone mines to take your profit. That's smart of you . So you may have to convert them to BTC right? Yes, don't answer. You are a non convential miner. You are those that mine day per day or even a week, and trade inmediately for BTC. So you are actually using alt-coins to profit not to technology, because if that was your point, why do you sell it???

so you are telling me about technology and changing the world, but you use altcoins to get more BTC not supporting those alts technology. Nice of you!!!
He said, in a rather rude way, that you are changing the system. Are you so ignorant to believe that governments and banks are gonna allow you to change the world with crypto??? Maybe yes in a technological way, but not economicaly talking. They will NOT ALLOW YOU TO DO THAT.

He also said that crypto needs pioneers to run in front. Normally , those that run infront, are those that die the first. If that's what you want, take my blessing.

It would be nice to debate data, technical analysis instead of beliefs and thoughts. But this forum is full of crypto-radicals that are so blind that they cannot acknowledge reality.

as i already knew, you cannot change up my mind, because you have no clue of what's happening, you have no clue of when this will recover (or if it will eventually), and now, just now, your 1080 ti are taking the lead because of an algo that allows you to make more money per month than those AMD owners that , by now, should stick to ETH.

So.......you are telling me that mining is profitable. but you have to have a 1080ti. Also, you have to mine shitty coins. You also need to take a trader to trade it to BTC before it loses it's value or even disappears from your trader.

AMD owners have no option but to stay in the ETH algorithm, which is the one that is being crashed to hell at the moment.

talking about FUD actually needs and deserves a comment. Because it's the cotton proof. The more radical you are in defending cryptos, the more FUD you see alround. i see a lot of bad news, no FUD. i even see good news, but no changes. Market goes down and today. Today we are at prices of December 2017. So three months have gone to hell.

someone also said you don't want people like me here. Well, i don't like people like you here also, because you cant argument anything. Just hooligans of the crypto. And that shows me something. In my life i've seen that normally those who defend to the limit something, is because they live with that. I don't need crypto, that's why i say what i say. Maybe you need crypto to work because it's your only income.

And obviously, you don't want people talking about things. You need sheeps to continue buying coins and being shut up. I will continue telling people not to enter in crypto. They´ll only lose money.

market low + people holding + people buying = Bears oasis.


They drop the market, then buy, you run the hype so you also buy for holding. Bears get instant profit (5-10% in 1 or 2 days). They sell, drop the market, and another time the same.

Bears will never stop this trend, because they are getting enormous profit at your expense.

Do you want to stop bears??? Don't buy. Don't increase the price of the coin. Once they can't get profit they will stop doing it.

Bears are also bulls from time to time.  

to all of you that say "all will go green anytime soon".

Do you actually have any argument??? Investors normally investigate where they are going to put the money in. do you actually think they want to deal with a falling market, the possibility to get regulations and laws against your interest and on top of that Taxes + end of anonymity???

If you don't have arguments to telll people to hold, you are just faith blinded people. I would run away from them if i were you.

take your money asap. You've been warned.

i would advice not to buy gpu's in a very deep down trend. You´ll get almost no profit at all. Unless you want to mine for hold. In that case, it's better to buy directly the coins with the money of the rig. simple as that.

If you mine, is because you want to sell the coins for electricity. Other than that, is just nonsense.

any argument to support that rather than faith??

yes ....just wait a little more. So that you cash out less than now.

WTF are you waiting? get your money now before it's too late. Those telling you to hold are scammers, bears that want to keep you away from their business.

If the only money moving is theirs, they can buy...increase the price, and then sell. They will win money, but each time they do that, you lose more.

Do not hold your coins. This is going down.

i don't think, (or want to believe) there is noone outthere mining for 0,20$ per card after electricity costs. If that's the case.....well....they should be desperately poor to do that. or mentaly ill (or both). well, there is another option: to mine and pay the cost out of your pocket, which is like paying for mining , thinking you´ll eventually get profit. The graveyard is full of optimist people.

In my case is an average of 0,52$ per card after electricity costs (but my rigs are off right now). Also considering selling GPU's before cryptocurrencies crack with legislations and taxes and the market is flooded with them. I can get like 50% profit from what i paid for them right now. most of them were bought for like 220€ and i can get 350€ average each easy. that's a huge profit and i would forget about this nonsense. i would ROI instant with instant profit.

BTW , the market today is collapsing another time. One more time.

seems to be the driver.

If you don't have blockchain driver, and you have AMD adrenaline, you need to go there and activate "compute" mode.