Agree with you about what? No it's not stunning and no they didn't resurrect it. So what are we agreeing about?

The courts have already indicated the law is most likely unconstitutional. No one has ever been convicted and I think only 2 have been charged. A threat is only effective if you really think it could happen, so I stand by the "you'd have to be pretty stupid" part.

As for the charge. He did lie to them and he admitted it. It's against the law to do that and thus being convicted on that is valid. That's a fact and no dancing around that issue can change it.

Once again though I'll point out that what the FBI did is not illegal and you have yet to show me how it is illegal. Ethically it's bullshit but it's still not illegal.

And here's the thing. That law has been around for decades and no one has tried to change it. Nor has any President directed the attorney general to do something about it. Nor has any attorney general directed the FBI to do anything about it. Nor has any FBI director done anything about it. Of any party. In all these decades that this issue has existed. That tells me that all of them want to be able to abuse it. Watch what happens. There's be all this crying about it, maybe someone will say they'll look into it or they'll review their policies and the like. And once the hubbub has died down nothing will happen. Cause they ALL like it the way it is. Why people like you bitch about the FBI is just beyond me and yet you give a pass to those that write the laws and those that could actually direct the FBI to change. You know. Like Trump. Like Barr. And all those that came before them.

China is a nuclear power that's true. But beyond that. The US has 11 carriers (9 to 11 full strike groups), China has 2 with a 3rd supposed to be out next year maybe. Near as I can tell, China has roughly 1,580 fighter type aircraft. The US has 2,210 NOT including the carrier planes. So on paper, the US has superiority. Not like it matters, history has shown that when the country at the top starts to feel threatened by an up and comer, they go to war. Unless something major happens to derail that, it's inevitable. Or we can hope they do it economically instead.

As far as I can see, there hasn't been any economic "collapse". Not yet anyway. And since the green new deal crap hasn't been implemented, one can't say anything about whether or not it would cause any sort of "collapse". Don't know about any "utopian schemes" that have happened either.

They didn't resurrect anything. People have been threatening to use that law for a long time. Both sides, republicans and dems have accused various people, on both sides, of having violated it and have said they should be prosecuted for it. It's probably unconstitutional but neither side seems willing to get rid of it since they like the "threat" of it. Regardless, when one looks at the history of it and what a court has actually said in passing about it, you'd have to be pretty stupid to think the FBI could actually make it stick. Not much of a threat.

I'm really surprised after all this time that you think he's being honest or can have a rational debate with anyone on this sort of subject. He's just better at appearing more "rational" then techshare. In case you haven't noticed, he will completely avoid admitting or agreeing to anything at all that might mean his point of view could be called into question or that he could be even remotely wrong. His "this isn't of interest to me" statement isn't being truthful. It's just another means of avoiding having to agree with you about anything or even remotely admit that something could be true that would in some way weaken his point of view. You're completely wasting your time attempting to have any sort of real debate with him. But maybe you just do it for entertainment purposes in which case carry on man.

Right. And they didn't have to and it's not illegal what they did. Still waiting to hear something that would show that it is illegal. The issue is the law itself that doesn't have any real checks on it to prevent it being used as it is in many, many cases. People should stop bitching about the FBI and put the blame where it always should be placed. With the law makers.

Care to show me what they did was illegal? Last time I looked at it, it wasn't. That's the fault of the crap laws involved and not the actions of the FBI. You can argue about the morality about it all you want, but as far as I know, it wasn't illegal. Granted I looked at it a few months ago so maybe something new has come to light.

28 years? Don't you think by now they should just get over it already? Don't they say the same thing about the left and Trump? Get over it already after only 4 years? I hear that often. But the right doesn't just have the Clintons either. I hear them constantly going on about Obama and lets not forget Gore. So many of those on the right, when they try and discount climate change, it's always about Gore and not about the actual issue. On the left I see so much delusion about Trump. But on the right they have multiple people they just harp on and on and on about. It all just pathetic at this point.

Where did I say I was talking about his impeachment. I didn't. But the right was all over him for the morality of his actions which is why, when it came to Trump, many of us just rolled our eyes at the double standards. The same double standards the left exhibits when it comes to their guys.

Funny. I seem to remember Phil Gramm (R) and other republicans writing the act to repeal Glass-Steagall (which was one of the key causes of 2008). It didn't pass but then it got "adjusted" and pushed into the final massive bill Clinton ended up signing on his way out the door. But yeah, I understand that in your world the Clintons are to blame for everything. The rights obsession with the Clintons after all these years is just as bad as those on the left with TDS.

Did I say it was "made up"? No, I didn't. In fact I even said that the left media isn't going overboard like they would if it was about someone on the right. That's the rights job to do but they just don't have the same number of outlets so of course the amount of coverage on any particular issue will be less. What's so hard in understanding that concept, that they all do the same damn thing, just like you do. I don't think I've ever seen you say anything bad about Trump or the right. So you fit right in with either side. Find fault with your "enemy" while giving a pass to your side. Let me know when you're able to look at things objectively and that they're all shit. Somehow I think it's best if I not hold my breath.

Oh please, there's nothing false about what I said. Your "derangement" that all left bad and right good is just as bad as the TDS on the left. Do we really need to start a list of all the shit the right have turned a blind eye to over the years when it comes to their own? How many on the right screamed for Clintons balls over his blowjobs and give their own a pass. Happens all the time cause they're all the damn same. I love how so many of you talk about the "main stream" media and what you really mean to say is left wing media. Fox has certainly covered Reade and they're one of the "main" media outlets. They certainly love to tout that they have higher ratings than any other cable news network. Besides, I don't know what world you live in but I've certainly seen Reade stuff on CNN. They just don't "obsess" about it like they would if it was about someone on the right. You know. The same way Fox etc obsesses about those on the left. They're all the same.

You assume there's a better choice. There isn't. They all suck one way or another.

It's not just the left. The right and the "new" media does it just as much. Few have any actual ethics.

It won't stop a damn thing as, as you mentioned, they were obtained illegally and that won't change. People kill people and there's not much that can be done to stop that except create a society where people are "happier" in general so they don't reach that point. Still won't stop it completely but it can certainly help. Or hey. Maybe they should design a chip that can be put in every ones head, or some drug everyone is mandated to take, to keep them passive. One day some day in the future I'm sure that will become an option that they'll try.

As for "fair". What's fair? Has nothing to do with being "fair" as far as I'm concerned. It's a matter of freedom and freedom comes with a price, part of which is decreased "safety". I tend to lean far more towards being free than having anyone tell me how to live, what I can and can't say, what I can and can't own, what I can't and can put in my body etc.

As for the ban itself, I've never had the desire to own those sorts of weapons but taking away my freedom to own them if I wanted, that's a no go for me. Now they're talking about handguns as well of course. There's never an end. Get one thing implemented, then later another.. and another.. and another until one day people have little freedom and are little more than "slaves" to the government. There has to be a line in the sand each person needs to decides on that they can never go beyond. Sadly few people seem to have the capability to think beyond the here and now and see how things can progress when you give the government a little rope.

I love your appeal to "the greater good". Nice of you to think you have the capability to determine what that is for everyone. Or how you talk about how the weapons are currently "misused". Got any proof of that or are you just trying to demonize all those guns and the people that own them? You're trying to make it into a morality based issue when it's not. It's a freedom issue. Emotions have no place in the governing of a nation.

I read their first "Fact" and stopped right there as it's complete bullshit. The "best" state is new york. They have tested only 3.6% of their population, the most of any of the states I looked into yesterday . Most are at a pitiful 1% or so and a couple others are up to 2% . That article talks about percentages of deaths being really low and they do that by looking at the percentage of the total population. But that's bullshit when you've only tested 3.6% of the population. Here's a stat for you. Of the states that have tested a higher quantity of their population, the mortality rate is getting up to 6% of those that are positive for having covid19. Want to believe that article? Go right ahead. Or you could go check the data for yourself and do your own calculations.

https://covidtracking.com/data

New York
Pop: 19,453,561
Tested: 695,920
Negative: 432,460
Positive: 263,460
Deaths: 15,740

They're calling it a war in the same way they use fear and panic. It's to manipulate people so they can justify the things to come. It was so easy to get the military out there helping. It was so easy to close the borders. No one bats an eye or even thinks to question it in any way at all. Look at Italy and having to fill paper work out to justify why you're out and about. Much more is coming and then many things will remain after as they'll be able to justify it to people one way or another. Just look at all the shit they did after 9/11. There's already talk and apparently plans (that always existed but have put in a readiness mode) for martial law scenarios. The more you hear them start talking about it, trying to make it sound less scary, the more you know it's likely. Things like this are how they slowly but surely remove freedoms.

Yes, when it's being done for purely political purposes which is what they're doing. These things do not get named for their location of origin which is a clear indication that they're doing it for other reasons.

Rarely is it used for the "greater good" but instead under the guise of some "greater good". They almost always use it for ulterior negative reasons in order to get things passed that they normally couldn't/shouldn't get done.

It's not a war despite how a whole lot of people try and turn everything these days into a "war". Nor do I see any sort of coordinated effort. It's mostly been reactions to date as opposed to being out ahead of things. I would consider a coordinated effort having the entire scientific community world wide working together on this with some group overseeing the efforts to ensure there is no duplicated i.e. waster effort and splitting up the various efforts to complete things as quickly as possible. Do we see that? We hear practically squat about any of that which is how this will eventually be beaten. Everything else is just reaction and containment. In other words, all I see is a bunch of chickens with their heads cut off running around spreading panic and fear.

Don't tell me, you're a Bernie supporter and so you're looking for excuses instead of facing facts. The majority of people don't want some "revolution". They want stability and for their government to fix what exists for the most part. But hey. If you can't face reality then go ahead and live in some conspiracy bubble. You can find "proof" for any conspiracy out there if you really want to in order to support your bias. Doesn't make it true in the least.