so Ethereum-Wallet-win64-0-8-1.zip will work on eth classic? Seems to work for me. It uses geth 1.4.10 and asks about the fork. This is how I got a wallet. Not mist but https://github.com/ethereum/mist/releaseshttps://github.com/ethereum/mist/releases/download/0.8.1/Ethereum-Wallet-win64-0-8-1.zipYou can't have the updated blockchain though. So if you already had this software you need to rename Mist and Ethereum in appdata to start fresh and choose no fork. Also backup your old ones and you'll be safe. I don't know how they're different. Ethereum sucks compared to btc. I can't even see my transactions wtf? You don't even need to trust us since we're using eth code. Ethf had to get new code not ethc. |
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Vitalik, I'm asking you to lock this thread and start a new thread for ethf. Also I'd like to quote this I don't follow altcoins at all, but it seems to me that Ethereum's main problem here was that its economy wasn't backed by very many full nodes at all. See: https://en.bitcoin.it/wiki/Full_node#Economic_strengthhttps://bitcoin.org/en/bitcoin-core/features/validationI'd guess that 99% of ETH owners were using EWallets. This is extremely dangerous, since it gives those EWallets massive control over the network. This is exactly the sort of centralization risk that Bitcoin experts are constantly warning about in relation to the max block size. It is absolutely essential that the economy be backed by many independent full nodes so that miners + a small handful of "major players" can't completely change the currency. I believe 99% of ethf users were in it for the pump and dump. None had an intent to run nodes, create an economy, build contracts, nothing. Vitalik has set a precedent. If there's ever child porn, drugs, gambling, etc. The fbi can come straight to his house and he has 0 deniability. He'll be in jail for contempt. yes vitalik be so fair the hf overrun normal ether holders in favor of investors how did get there bailout. but it would be fair to close this thread couse its not the old ether classic one anymore . let both sides start a new thread. at least that would be fair. I'm no longer asking for this thread, only for closure. Op was selling immutable tokens which no longer exist. Keeping this thread is deceitful. |
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Most of them used exchanges and https://www.myetherwallet.comTheir interest was never long term. I've never seen them mention offline wallets. Many of us bitcoiners have been here for 5 years pouring in blood, sweat and tears. |
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Can someone send to 0xAD3567CCF6269703C36B73819199B2a9Af5130BD
I installed ethereum wallet and clicked no to fork. I've never used eth before.
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I'd like to quote this here I don't follow altcoins at all, but it seems to me that Ethereum's main problem here was that its economy wasn't backed by very many full nodes at all. See: https://en.bitcoin.it/wiki/Full_node#Economic_strengthhttps://bitcoin.org/en/bitcoin-core/features/validationI'd guess that 99% of ETH owners were using EWallets. This is extremely dangerous, since it gives those EWallets massive control over the network. This is exactly the sort of centralization risk that Bitcoin experts are constantly warning about in relation to the max block size. It is absolutely essential that the economy be backed by many independent full nodes so that miners + a small handful of "major players" can't completely change the currency. I believe 99% of ethf users were in it for the pump and dump. None had an intent to run nodes, create an economy, build contracts, nothing. Vitalik has set a precedent. If there's ever child porn, drugs, gambling, etc. The fbi can come straight to his house and he has 0 deniability. He'll be in jail for contempt. |
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Vitalik, I'm asking you to lock this thread and start a new thread for ethf. Also I'd like to quote this I don't follow altcoins at all, but it seems to me that Ethereum's main problem here was that its economy wasn't backed by very many full nodes at all. See: https://en.bitcoin.it/wiki/Full_node#Economic_strengthhttps://bitcoin.org/en/bitcoin-core/features/validationI'd guess that 99% of ETH owners were using EWallets. This is extremely dangerous, since it gives those EWallets massive control over the network. This is exactly the sort of centralization risk that Bitcoin experts are constantly warning about in relation to the max block size. It is absolutely essential that the economy be backed by many independent full nodes so that miners + a small handful of "major players" can't completely change the currency. I believe 99% of ethf users were in it for the pump and dump. None had an intent to run nodes, create an economy, build contracts, nothing. Vitalik has set a precedent. If there's ever child porn, drugs, gambling, etc. The fbi can come straight to his house and he has 0 deniability. He'll be in jail for contempt. |
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I don't follow altcoins at all, but it seems to me that Ethereum's main problem here was that its economy wasn't backed by very many full nodes at all. See: https://en.bitcoin.it/wiki/Full_node#Economic_strengthhttps://bitcoin.org/en/bitcoin-core/features/validationI'd guess that 99% of ETH owners were using EWallets. This is extremely dangerous, since it gives those EWallets massive control over the network. This is exactly the sort of centralization risk that Bitcoin experts are constantly warning about in relation to the max block size. It is absolutely essential that the economy be backed by many independent full nodes so that miners + a small handful of "major players" can't completely change the currency. I believe 99% of ethf users were in it for the pump and dump. None had an intent to run nodes, create an economy, build contracts, nothing. Vitalik has set a precedent. If there's ever child porn, drugs, gambling, etc. The fbi can come straight to his house and he has 0 deniability. He'll be in jail for contempt. |
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The lesson to be learned from this event is that we need to minimize the points of centralisation in every blockchain.
I am not against hard forks if the decision is achieved in a pure democratic way. Ask yourself whether the ethereum hardfork was done in this way or not and choose your chain based on the answer.
Coinbase (regulated bank) enjoying the hard fork is a huge red flag while other exchanges were angry. Once gambling, etc get popular vitalik will be held in contempt until he forks again. https://www.reddit.com/r/ethereum/comments/4tn0s3/bitfinex_cso_i_wish_i_never_listed_this_piece_of/ |
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since HF, eth price and dao price have increased...
but more remarkably the volume ratio bitcoin/ethereum has increased...from coinmarketcap today:
1 Bitcoin $ 10,460,819,183 $ 663.34 15,769,992 BTC daily volume $ 96,895,900
2 Ethereum $ 1,032,644,111 $ 12.56 82,195,292 ETH $ 59,423,800
A pump and dump based on hype and false promises means nothing. Vitalik sold immutable tokens and now the word has been wiped clean. This is false advertising, deceptive and bait and switch. Ethereum Classic believes in the original intent. |
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This is what ethereum should have been.
Vitalik sold immutable tokens and now the word has been wiped clean. This is false advertising, deceptive and bait and switch. Ethereum Classic believes in the original intent. |
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The forum isn't going to get involved in this sort of thing. In almost all cases, thread ownership isn't changed except with the original owner's permission. You should create a new topic. Also, if he is being deceptive, then this may warrant negative trust.
Thanks, he sold immutable tokens and now the word has been wiped clean. I started a new thread. |
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This thread needs to be given to ethc. Eth-hf needs a new thread.
Meh.. The few thief-friends can go somewhere else and have their own party. Thanks, join my petition https://bitcointalk.org/index.php?topic=1559622.0The thread is now misleading as the the original ethereum is now called ETHC which retains being immutable. ETH-HF must create a new announcement with new ethos and current thread given to ETHC. Another possibility is locking the thread since that version of ethereum no longer exists. You misunderstood. The hacker-thief-supporters which are not the majority, but seemingly a tiny tiny minority paying to look bigger. YOU and those supporters should go somewhere else. This thread is for the main project of ETH... and as voted, the thief is not part of it. You don't seem to understand as well.. Its not a "thief" - it's merely someone who found a flaw in the code and used it for its own advantage. The DAO contract was bugged - not ETH and IMHO a rollback / hardfork because a bugged contract should absolutely NOT be possible in a modern, decentralized crypto currency. However - they forked it anyway which is the right decision for some people and the wrong decision for others, you probably never get it right for everyone. Exactly, we believe in being IMMUTABLE as originally advertised https://bitcointalk.org/index.php?topic=1559630.0 |
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We believe in a long term strategy being immutable. But thanks.
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This thread needs to be given to ethc. Eth-hf needs a new thread.
Meh.. The few thief-friends can go somewhere else and have their own party. Thanks, join my petition https://bitcointalk.org/index.php?topic=1559622.0The thread is now misleading as the the original ethereum is now called ETHC which retains being immutable. ETH-HF must create a new announcement with new ethos and current thread given to ETHC. Another possibility is locking the thread since that version of ethereum no longer exists. You misunderstood. The hacker-thief-supporters which are not the majority, but seemingly a tiny tiny minority paying to look bigger. YOU and those supporters should go somewhere else. This thread is for the main project of ETH... and as voted, the thief is not part of it. This thread used to say immutable and this is where we belong. Temporarily at https://bitcointalk.org/index.php?topic=1559630.0 while our petition is granted. |
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you probably forgot to self mod your thread, huh ?
Hehe I kept forgetting |
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Ethereum Classic is a project to keep the original censorship-resistant, immutable, decentralized EthereumDevelopers will be building on our immutable chain, are you ready? Code is law. https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=wOxwuoJaJXc ETC BusinessesEthereum Classic Labs - https://etclabs.org/ETCBets - https://www.etcbets.com/ - https://bitcointalk.org/index.php?topic=1907827.0Communityhttp://www.ethereumclassic.orghttp://ethcwiki.org/https://github.com/ethereumprojecthttps://github.com/ethereumclassichttps://www.reddit.com/r/EthereumClassic/https://twitter.com/eth_classichttps://ethereumclassic.herokuapp.com/ - Slack https://telegram.me/ethclassichttps://telegram.me/ethereumclassichttps://trello.com/b/aiSzWBm7/ethereum-classic-clientsQQ Groups: 361470220 - 568474359 Russian https://bitcointalk.org/index.php?topic=1563268https://bitcointalk.org/index.php?topic=1563328https://ethclassic.ruIndonesian https://bitcointalk.org/index.php?topic=1563400There are no bounties at this time Exchangeshttps://poloniex.com/exchange#btc_etchttps://poloniex.com/exchange#usdt_etchttps://poloniex.com/exchange#eth_etchttps://bittrex.com/Market/Index?MarketName=BTC-ETChttps://www.kraken.comhttps://www.bitfinex.comhttps://c-cex.com/?p=etc-btc C-CEX is not recommended https://shapeshift.iohttps://changelly.comhttps://bitsquare.iohttps://anycoindirect.eu/buy/etherclassichttps://www.bitwa.lahttps://www.chbtc.com/etchttps://yunbi.com/markets/etccny?confirm=truehttps://bter.com/trade/etc_btchttps://bter.com/trade/etc_ethhttps://www.korbit.co.kr/etc_markethttps://www.cryptopia.co.nz/Exchange/?market=ETC_BTChttps://www.bitmex.com/app/trade/ETC24Hhttps://www.coinexchange.io/market/ETC/BTChttps://yobit.net/en/trade/ETC/BTCWallets and Explorershttps://github.com/ethereumproject/mist/releaseshttps://github.com/ethereumproject/go-ethereum/releaseshttps://github.com/ethereum/mist/releaseshttps://github.com/ethereum/mist/releases/download/0.8.1/Ethereum-Wallet-win64-0-8-1.zip Choose NO fork You can't have the forked blockchain though. So if you already had this software you need to rename Mist and Ethereum in appdata to start fresh and choose no fork. https://info.shapeshift.io/blog/2016/08/03/shapeshift-releases-ethereum-splitter-cleanly-separate-eth-and-etchttps://elaineo.github.io/etherwallet/https://classicetherwallet.comhttps://etherx.comhttp://www.fauceting.com/faucet/74http://coinmarketcap.comhttps://www.cryptocompare.com/coins/etc/overviewhttp://polotrex.comhttps://www.etc-eth.comhttp://fork.ethstats.nethttp://stats.ethc.iohttp://etcstats.nethttp://www.etcminer.comhttp://ethereumwisdom.com/#!/ethclassichttps://etcchain.com/http://blocks.elaineou.comhttp://gastracker.iohttp://classic.aakilfernandes.comhttp://explorer.ethereumclassic.comhttps://minergate.com/blockchain/etc/blockshttps://minergate.com/calculator/ethereumPools - I can't vouch for any though https://www.cryptocompare.com/mining/calculator/etchttps://www.cryptocompare.com/mining/#/pools?f0=ETChttps://etherx.com/pools - Hashrate distribution http://etc.ethermine.orghttps://etc.bw.comhttps://f2pool.comhttp://ethc.epool.iohttp://clu.epool.iohttp://pool.ethereumclassic.comhttps://ethc.coin-miners.infohttp://etc.nanopool.orghttps://etcpool.iohttps://etc.suprnova.cchttps://minergate.comhttp://etc.coinpool.bizhttp://www.ethteam.comhttp://etc.poolto.behttp://yolo.ethclassic.faithhttps://ethereum-classic.miningpoolhub.comhttp://etc.coinpool.bizhttps://www.coinotron.comhttp://etc.digger.wshttp://etc.4miners.nethttp://etc.akasha-pool.euhttps://aikapool.com/etchttp://etc.pool.sexyhttps://pool.zet-tech.euhttps://etcmine.prohttps://ucrypto.net/pools/Presshttp://fortune.com/2016/09/04/ethereum-fall-out/https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=wOxwuoJaJXc - Ethereum Classic Video https://bitcoinmagazine.com/articles/ethereum-classic-community-navigates-a-distinct-path-to-the-future-1471620464https://youtu.be/Vgz7k5iTGkIhttps://steemit.com/ethereum/@charleshosk/thoughts-on-an-ethereum-classic-roadmaphttp://cointimes.tech/2016/08/13/ethereum-reputation-has-been-damaged-with-the-finance-and-banking-community/https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=OGGW9ozE-yshttp://www.nasdaq.com/article/how-the-great-ethereum-schism-can-end-well-for-ethereum-classic-part-2-of-3-cm657748https://bitcoinmagazine.com/articles/how-the-great-ethereum-schism-can-end-well-for-ethereum-classic-part-of-1469905980https://bitcoinmagazine.com/articles/rejecting-today-s-hard-fork-the-ethereum-classic-project-continues-on-the-original-chain-here-s-why-1469038808http://www.forbes.com/sites/francescoppola/2016/07/21/a-painful-lesson-for-the-ethereum-community/http://www.forbes.com/sites/francescoppola/2016/07/28/ethereum-the-battle-of-the-chainshttp://www.coindesk.com/ethereum-hard-fork-creates-competing-currencies-support-ethereum-classic-rises/https://medium.com/@zsfelfoldi/a-tale-of-two-chains-3f6d58a9df4ahttps://medium.com/@Stampery/why-stampery-supports-ethereum-classic-4c86ec7cca17https://steemit.com/ethereum/@cryptorune/a-ethereum-civil-war-is-happening-right-now-and-why-classic-should-winhttps://ethereumheadlines.com/2016/07/25/ethereum-classic-is-now-trading-on-poloniex/http://www.coindesk.com/tale-two-chains-ethereum/http://www.newsbtc.com/2016/07/26/case-ethereum-classic/https://steemit.com/dao/@gedae/the-dao-and-the-benefactorshttp://themerkle.com/etc-trumps-ethereum-trading-volume-on-poloniex/https://steemit.com/cryptocurrency/@whalepanda/what-happened-with-ethereum-usdeth-and-ethereum-classic-usdetcIdeologyWe believe in decentralized, censorship-resistant, permissionless, IMMUTABLE blockchains. We believe in the original vision of Ethereum as a world computer you can't shut down, running irreversible smart contracts. We believe in a strong separation of concerns, where system forks are only possible in order to correct actual platform bugs, not to bail out failed contracts and special interests. We believe in censorship-resistant platform that can be actually trusted - by anyone. Code is law. More: https://medium.com/@bit_novosti/a-crypto-decentralist-manifesto-6ba1fa0b9edeMotivationEthereum Foundation responded to DAO debacle in the worst way possible. Special interests controlling the Foundation are ramming through DAO bailout hardfork against principled opposition of a significant economic minority of Ethereum stakeholders. According to (diligently hidden, pro-fork) coin vote on Carbonvote, 19% of ETH holders oppose this hardfork. Also, about 22% of Ethereum miners voted against the previous 'DAO softfork' and would logically oppose hardfork as well. Such a significant minority of stakeholders should not be silenced or intimidated into submission - they should be given a clear choice. If we want to continue to move forward and guarantee survival of the original Ethereum vision, we must fork Ethereum. This will lay the foundation to build secure decentralized applications that are actually censorship resistant. More: https://github.com/ethereumclassic/freeworldcomputer-projectGoalsThe main goal of the project is to ensure survival of the original Ethereum blockchain. We will strive to provide alternative for people who strongly disagree with DAO bailout and the direction Ethereum Foundation is taking their project. Anyone opting to remain on the original chain should have such opportunity. DevelopmentWe fork Ethereum and maintain upstream patches similar to the relation between Redhat and CentOS, until a community can form around the project and create a road map. Until this happens we can fork multiple existing clients to help prevent a monoculture of clients. We plan to follow https://github.com/ethereum development except for any features they introduce into existing clients that violate the key principles of openness, neutrality and immutability. Code: https://github.com/ethereumclassicWhat can I do?Please help us spread the word about this project in Ethereum community! VolunteersIf you feel strongly about the cause, please get involved. With just days before the planned hardfork, we need your support to ensure original Ethereum survival. We need more developers, website designers, people who can write and advocate the need for Ethereum Classic. Please let us know what are your skills and how you would like to contribute. Redditors, please reply here. Github users, please open new issue. UsersIn order to remain on the original Ethereum chain, just don't upgrade to hardfork client version pushed by Ethereum Foundation. We will maintain non-fork versions of all major Ethereum clients (as well as other key software), so going forwards all the improvements will be available to you. Fun fact. If you keep ETH under your direct control (not in a 3rd party wallet or exchange account), you will have two sets of coins instead of one post-fork. You could then install a forked Ethereum client in addition to Ethereum Classic, copy your private keys there and use your coins on both chains! You won't be so lucky if your ETH are locked with 3rd party going into the fork - some exchanges already announced that they will only return one type of coin post-fork to its users. MinersMiners supporting the original chain should just keep mining with current version of software for now, without upgrading to client version introducing the hardfork code. It will be always possible to download and build latest non-fork version from https://github.com/ethereumclassic. The difficulty of the original chain will be quite high post-fork, but it will adjust to actual hashrate shortly (just 2048 blocks, a few hours). Since it is expected that most hashrate will move to hardfoked chain, post-adjustment it will be possible to obtain decent mining rewards in classic ethers even with solo mining. Because the difficulty adjusts quickly, it will be also quite possible to solo mine soon after the fork. If you intend to mine Ethereum Classic, please don't upgrade to geth 1.4.10 just yet, due to potential vulnerability. We will inform you when it's safe to upgrade. For now, just solo-mine with geth 1.4.9 or any earlier version, or use Classic pool. Tradershttps://bitsquare.io/Most important question for traders is 'will ETHC have market price'? There are all reasons to believe that it will. Essentially, ETHC is an Ethereum 'spinoff coin' with a wide user base of all current ETH users. Some of them will see the value of transacting on a censorship-resistant chain, some won't. This creates interesting arbitrage opportunities for smart traders. Additional reasoning why EHTC is very unlikely to be 'worthless'. Both Poloniex and Bitfinex announced that they will assign their users both ETH and ETHC after the fork. This is a step in the right direction, now it's up to these major exchanges to enable ETH/ETHC trading that will no doubt be demanded by users. Decentralized exchange Bitsquare announced ETHC trading right after the fork. Other trading venues will follow since there is a strong business case. We are in touch with several other exchanges to add ETHC trading to their platforms. If your exchange is interested in ETHC trading, please contact us. Let's make sure original Ethereum vision doesn't just " go gentle into that good night"! https://github.com/ethereumclassic/README |
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