[ANN] Ethereum: Welcome to the Beginning

[frostminer]

This thread needs to be given to ethc. Eth-hf needs a new thread.

Meh..
The few thief-friends can go somewhere else and have their own party.

Thanks, join my petition https://bitcointalk.org/index.php?topic=1559622.0

The thread is now misleading as the the original ethereum is now called ETHC which retains being immutable.

ETH-HF must create a new announcement with new ethos and current thread given to ETHC. Another possibility is locking the thread since that version of ethereum no longer exists.

You misunderstood.

The hacker-thief-supporters which are not the majority, but seemingly a tiny tiny minority paying to look bigger.

YOU and those supporters should go somewhere else.

This thread is for the main project of ETH... and as voted, the thief is not part of it.

[bitpop]

This thread needs to be given to ethc. Eth-hf needs a new thread.

Meh..
The few thief-friends can go somewhere else and have their own party.

Thanks, join my petition https://bitcointalk.org/index.php?topic=1559622.0

The thread is now misleading as the the original ethereum is now called ETHC which retains being immutable.

ETH-HF must create a new announcement with new ethos and current thread given to ETHC. Another possibility is locking the thread since that version of ethereum no longer exists.

You misunderstood.

The hacker-thief-supporters which are not the majority, but seemingly a tiny tiny minority paying to look bigger.

YOU and those supporters should go somewhere else.

This thread is for the main project of ETH... and as voted, the thief is not part of it.

This thread used to say immutable and this is where we belong.

Temporarily at https://bitcointalk.org/index.php?topic=1559630.0 while our petition is granted.

[ocminer]

This thread needs to be given to ethc. Eth-hf needs a new thread.

Meh..
The few thief-friends can go somewhere else and have their own party.

Thanks, join my petition https://bitcointalk.org/index.php?topic=1559622.0

The thread is now misleading as the the original ethereum is now called ETHC which retains being immutable.

ETH-HF must create a new announcement with new ethos and current thread given to ETHC. Another possibility is locking the thread since that version of ethereum no longer exists.

You misunderstood.

The hacker-thief-supporters which are not the majority, but seemingly a tiny tiny minority paying to look bigger.

YOU and those supporters should go somewhere else.

This thread is for the main project of ETH... and as voted, the thief is not part of it.

You don't seem to understand as well.. Its not a "thief" - it's merely someone who found a flaw in the code and used it for its own advantage.

The DAO contract was bugged - not ETH and IMHO a rollback / hardfork because a bugged contract should absolutely NOT be possible in a modern, decentralized crypto currency. However - they forked it anyway which is the right decision for some people and the wrong decision for others, you probably never get it right for everyone.

[bitpop]

This thread needs to be given to ethc. Eth-hf needs a new thread.

Meh..
The few thief-friends can go somewhere else and have their own party.

Thanks, join my petition https://bitcointalk.org/index.php?topic=1559622.0

The thread is now misleading as the the original ethereum is now called ETHC which retains being immutable.

ETH-HF must create a new announcement with new ethos and current thread given to ETHC. Another possibility is locking the thread since that version of ethereum no longer exists.

You misunderstood.

The hacker-thief-supporters which are not the majority, but seemingly a tiny tiny minority paying to look bigger.

YOU and those supporters should go somewhere else.

This thread is for the main project of ETH... and as voted, the thief is not part of it.

You don't seem to understand as well.. Its not a "thief" - it's merely someone who found a flaw in the code and used it for its own advantage.

The DAO contract was bugged - not ETH and IMHO a rollback / hardfork because a bugged contract should absolutely NOT be possible in a modern, decentralized crypto currency. However - they forked it anyway which is the right decision for some people and the wrong decision for others, you probably never get it right for everyone.

Exactly, we believe in being IMMUTABLE as originally advertised https://bitcointalk.org/index.php?topic=1559630.0

[estenity]

since HF, eth price and dao price have increased...
but more remarkably the volume ratio bitcoin/ethereum has increased...from coinmarketcap today:


1    Bitcoin    $ 10,460,819,183    $ 663.34    15,769,992 BTC    daily volume $ 96,895,900    
2    Ethereum    $ 1,032,644,111       $ 12.56    82,195,292 ETH                     $ 59,423,800    

[frostminer]

This thread needs to be given to ethc. Eth-hf needs a new thread.

Meh..
The few thief-friends can go somewhere else and have their own party.

Thanks, join my petition https://bitcointalk.org/index.php?topic=1559622.0

The thread is now misleading as the the original ethereum is now called ETHC which retains being immutable.

ETH-HF must create a new announcement with new ethos and current thread given to ETHC. Another possibility is locking the thread since that version of ethereum no longer exists.

You misunderstood.

The hacker-thief-supporters which are not the majority, but seemingly a tiny tiny minority paying to look bigger.

YOU and those supporters should go somewhere else.

This thread is for the main project of ETH... and as voted, the thief is not part of it.

You don't seem to understand as well.. Its not a "thief" - it's merely someone who found a flaw in the code and used it for its own advantage.

The DAO contract was bugged - not ETH and IMHO a rollback / hardfork because a bugged contract should absolutely NOT be possible in a modern, decentralized crypto currency. However - they forked it anyway which is the right decision for some people and the wrong decision for others, you probably never get it right for everyone.

Exactly, we believe in being IMMUTABLE as originally advertised https://bitcointalk.org/index.php?topic=1559630.0

No matter how you twist and turns it .. it was abuse or misuse.
Now corrected.


Im guessing your ETHC will have .. 5 or maybe even as much as 7 active interested users

GL HF

[bitpop]

since HF, eth price and dao price have increased...
but more remarkably the volume ratio bitcoin/ethereum has increased...from coinmarketcap today:


1    Bitcoin    $ 10,460,819,183    $ 663.34    15,769,992 BTC    daily volume $ 96,895,900    
2    Ethereum    $ 1,032,644,111       $ 12.56    82,195,292 ETH                     $ 59,423,800    

A pump and dump based on hype and false promises means nothing.

Vitalik sold immutable tokens and now the word has been wiped clean. This is false advertising, deceptive and bait and switch. Ethereum Classic believes in the original intent.

[Aurum Project]

  We're glad to announce that Xaurum is transitioning to the Ethereum platform. Xaurum was designed as a smart-contract dapp, however it was implemented as PoS, as we were waiting for the technology to develop. Even though Ethereum is still beginning, and it now and then experiences some growing pains, we're impressed at both the dev teams and users capability to address and overcome crises.
  This is a first case of a project transitioning from one blockchain to another, and so far the transition is proving to be successful regarding the participation of users, the imporant part still lies before us, and we'd like to ask for help of everyone interested to test the code of our dapp with us, when we enter the public beta stage, there will be bounties for critical bugs discovered. The transition is organized as an event, anyone interested in participating can read more on the RICO ann.

[becoin]

You misunderstood.

The hacker-thief-supporters which are not the majority, but seemingly a tiny tiny minority paying to look bigger.

You misunderstood.

The "hacker-thief" showed how vulnerable is eth protocol. He deserves award much bigger than $60M! Instead of  getting award this person was robbed by hf. Who will trust eth-hf-coin now?

[LiQio]

You misunderstood.

The hacker-thief-supporters which are not the majority, but seemingly a tiny tiny minority paying to look bigger.

You misunderstood.

The "hacker-thief" showed how vulnerable is eth protocol. He deserves award much bigger than $60M! Instead of  getting award this person was robbed by hf. Who will trust eth-hf-coin now?

Patience is key to find out.

[noobtrader]

You misunderstood.

The hacker-thief-supporters which are not the majority, but seemingly a tiny tiny minority paying to look bigger.

You misunderstood.

The "hacker-thief" showed how vulnerable is eth protocol. He deserves award much bigger than $60M! Instead of  getting award this person was robbed by hf. Who will trust eth-hf-coin now?

The problem is in the Dao, not on eth side. but i agree  the hacker deserve some reward, he should reveal himself so authorities dev can reward him.  

[sock54321]

Which one is the real coin now?

[roselee]

wow first a hf done in bankster manner and now forbit criticer to post here ?

[roselee]

My thoughts on the lesson to be learned from the hardfork and how to choose your chain:

https://bitcointalk.org/index.php?topic=1559630.msg15657893#msg15657893

this speaks for itself

http://www.coindesk.com/dao-stakeholders-begin-withdrawing-their-ethers/

Prior to its mid-June collapse, The DAO had an estimated 23,574 users who had purchased DAO tokens, and would therefore be eligible for refunds. Should the withdrawal transaction figures represent individual users, this would mean roughly 5% of DAO users have now received refunds.

That such a small number of users could withdraw nearly half of the smart contract's ether funds is not surprising.

Those funds were originally exchanged for DAO tokens during a crowdsale earlier this summer, and while the total The DAO raised was impressive, its number of investors was comparably small.

[becoin]

Which one is the real coin now?

I don't know.
What I know, however, is that supporters of the original ethcoin can attack the hf ethcoin in a court of law.

[roselee]

was "the dao" independent ? it run on the etherblockchain. it was a organisation. something in the organisation didnt go right. and ethereum devs and miners and insiders decidet that cant be and erased thedao.
yes yes the pro hf will say it was theft but it shows that the comunity decides what is on ether chain and what not. thats not autonom.
the comunity could have chosen the hard way investigate ( some say there are only 500 who had the knowledge to do the attack) and then report that person. but no they saved investment. now what if someone wants to do a privat biz on etherchain? how can someone ever be sure the comunity will not rollback and erase that biz if its not liked ?

the internet like it is now is not censored. ether will be censored.

There is an ethereum Classic coins now. It also has its own chain. So you can do your work on that chain.

i like to post here . 

[DStefanov]

was "the dao" independent ? it run on the etherblockchain. it was a organisation. something in the organisation didnt go right. and ethereum devs and miners and insiders decidet that cant be and erased thedao.
yes yes the pro hf will say it was theft but it shows that the comunity decides what is on ether chain and what not. thats not autonom.
the comunity could have chosen the hard way investigate ( some say there are only 500 who had the knowledge to do the attack) and then report that person. but no they saved investment. now what if someone wants to do a privat biz on etherchain? how can someone ever be sure the comunity will not rollback and erase that biz if its not liked ?

the internet like it is now is not censored. ether will be censored.

There is an ethereum Classic coins now. It also has its own chain. So you can do your work on that chain.

i like to post here . 

As low paid troll is doing well! Well that ETH is on the rise and cents it is lifted, otherwise I'd take this clown seriously! 

[bitpop]

Vitalik, I'm asking you to lock this thread and start a new thread for ethf.

Also I'd like to quote this

I don't follow altcoins at all, but it seems to me that Ethereum's main problem here was that its economy wasn't backed by very many full nodes at all. See:
https://en.bitcoin.it/wiki/Full_node#Economic_strength
https://bitcoin.org/en/bitcoin-core/features/validation

I'd guess that 99% of ETH owners were using EWallets. This is extremely dangerous, since it gives those EWallets massive control over the network. This is exactly the sort of centralization risk that Bitcoin experts are constantly warning about in relation to the max block size. It is absolutely essential that the economy be backed by many independent full nodes so that miners + a small handful of "major players" can't completely change the currency.

I believe 99% of ethf users were in it for the pump and dump. None had an intent to run nodes, create an economy, build contracts, nothing.

Vitalik has set a precedent. If there's ever child porn, drugs, gambling, etc. The fbi can come straight to his house and he has 0 deniability. He'll be in jail for contempt.

[Perryl]

This thread needs to be given to ethc. Eth-hf needs a new thread.

Meh..
The few thief-friends can go somewhere else and have their own party.

Thanks, join my petition https://bitcointalk.org/index.php?topic=1559622.0

The thread is now misleading as the the original ethereum is now called ETHC which retains being immutable.

ETH-HF must create a new announcement with new ethos and current thread given to ETHC. Another possibility is locking the thread since that version of ethereum no longer exists.

You misunderstood.

The hacker-thief-supporters which are not the majority, but seemingly a tiny tiny minority paying to look bigger.

YOU and those supporters should go somewhere else.

This thread is for the main project of ETH... and as voted, the thief is not part of it.

You don't seem to understand as well.. Its not a "thief" - it's merely someone who found a flaw in the code and used it for its own advantage.

The DAO contract was bugged - not ETH and IMHO a rollback / hardfork because a bugged contract should absolutely NOT be possible in a modern, decentralized crypto currency. However - they forked it anyway which is the right decision for some people and the wrong decision for others, you probably never get it right for everyone.

Will you open a ETHC pool?

[Perryl]

Which one is the real coin now?

Neither. Also, there is a 3rd instance of Ether called Ethergen.