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8321  Other / Politics & Society / Re: Do you believe in god? on: May 21, 2017, 09:58:40 AM
God is fake. Religion is a Scam which continues for several thousand years. People believe in God without any proof. It is a pity that there are no statistics how many people actually believe in God. I'm sure not very many.

Very interesting statement.
Do you really believe that so many different cultures and countries over 5000 years could scam people?
Do you really think that you can prove invisible, spiritual reality and eternal being, beyond time and space?
Many people believe God not because of religion but because of their personal experience and direct relationship with God.
Please think about it before you write such comments.
Don't you think that we need something more in lour life, not just work, food and sleep?

8322  Economy / Exchanges / Re: Bitcoin Visa card without giving away your real name? on: May 21, 2017, 09:46:36 AM
Hi, is it possible to order somewhere Visa card than can be used in ATMs and filled with bitcoin but without giving away real name? I've seen couple of websites that offer Bitcoin cards, but not sure where you can give just any name instead of the one that you have in your ID?

Yes, you can order some VISa btc debit cards without verification but only for very limited amounts of money, usually up to $2000.
After that, you will have to verify your account.
Some card providers, like cryptopay, already changed this rule for some countries, like my county-Croatia, and you can't order and get visa debit card without full verification.
I expect that soon such rules will apply for many more countries.
8323  Bitcoin / Bitcoin Discussion / Re: How many people are asking you about Bitcoin now? on: May 21, 2017, 09:40:25 AM
Already a few friends asked me about bitcoin recently.
In the past, I mention bitcoin to some people but they didn't show any interest.
Now, when they heard about very big btc price increase, they become very curious Smiley
''Show me the money'', it's main mantra today.
8324  Other / Politics & Society / Re: Why do people believe in religion? on: May 20, 2017, 11:09:37 AM
religion was made by those people who wants to profit with it. Religion divides the unity in this whole world. I only believe at our creator.

It seems that you have some negative experience with religion.
Yes, some religious representatives did bad things in the past, but many more religious people did great things for their communities like charity work, building hospitals, shelters for homeless people, building schools etc.
They all was inspired by God and their religion.
So, before we judge something, we should look at results, fruits of their work.
So, why do people believe in religion?
Because they want to connect with their origin or creator, with God.
Since we are fallen people and we lost connections with god, we need guidance and help how to connect with God again.
God is about love and care for others, not hatred or selfishness.
Because of it, religious people are always inspired to love others, help others...


8325  Other / Politics & Society / Re: Evolution is a hoax on: May 20, 2017, 11:00:30 AM
Do you really think that you can discover another, spiritual dimension of existence, spiritual world, with classic scientific tools?
No way.
Spiritual reality we can see only with our spiritual senses, not physical.
Before creation of the Universe, time and space didn't exist.
Physical world and physical laws didn't exist.
So, it's obvious that science can't answer, or discovers and validates theories about creation of the universe.
Only religion can do it.
Science can research only visible universe, after creation.

And which of the 4200 religions would that be?

No doubt its yours cause all the others got it wrong no doubt.

We have many religions because man lost connection with God after human fall.
Still, religions are inspired and started by God in order to help us to understand purpose of life, spiritual reality, Creator etc.
Based on the spiritual foundation of each religion, some religions explain things more deeply but all religions have the same purpose, to connect us with our creator and origin, God.
Evolution is just human theory and can't explain things before the creation of universe, beyond time and space.
Only religions can explain it.
8326  Bitcoin / Bitcoin Discussion / Re: How to deal with the situation of non-recognition? on: May 20, 2017, 10:50:26 AM
Hi,

Since my friends have an idea that I am associated with bitcoin and I transact in it, they send me the stuff from the media if they come across. In most of the media pieces, bitcoin is mentioned as 'bitcoin is an unrecognised currency' and at that point, the people misunderstand that if it's not recognised (legal) yet then it's definitely illegal. I am bit confused, how to deal with such situation?

Best
Dudeperfect

You don't need to explain or complicate to much.
Just simple say to your friends than bitcoin is like virtual money or tokens, which we can use to buy some digital staff online or exchange for real money and withdraw to bank accounts.
At that moment, we report it as ''second income'' to our tax authorities and pay taxes.
So, if you explain in this way, everybody will understand.
You can add that we have also bitcoin ATM and debit cards, many merchants which accepts bitcoin etc.


8327  Bitcoin / Bitcoin Discussion / Re: How to explain bitcoin to teenagers or children on: May 20, 2017, 10:44:34 AM
As we seem the explanation of bitcoin is very difficult among children but it is not among teenagers.  because they need digital currency  in their future. hence, they get understand about different types of intenet base currencies so it won't be difficult to explain about bitcoin  among them.

I don't think that its a smart decision to introduce bitcoin to teenagers or children so early as its not time for them to start earning money in their childhood days and its a time for them to enjoy and things will become complicated for them if they are taught about bitcoins in early days.

I don't agree with you.
Bitcoin is the future and why wait to introduce it to teenagers?
After all, they will find bitcoins by themselves, so it's better that we take initiative and explain them everything about it.
You don't need to focus on the profit in the beginning but explain other benefits of btc like online security, anonymity, alternative ways of payments etc.
Very soon they will know much more than you Smiley
8328  Other / Politics & Society / Re: Evolution is a hoax on: May 19, 2017, 03:25:16 PM


You and your science guys all over this thread arent addressing actual questions, you are merely offended by the fact, that somebody even has audicity to question Mr. Darwins theory. Darwin was anglican christian by the way.


I just did man!
And there is no problem with evolution and religion as long as you're not dumb enough to think that god created all species. You can believe that god created the world AND the evolution process.

And we're offended by the fact that you reject this scientifically proved theory without giving any argument :/

I don't think that religion and science are in conflict.
After all, when you read first book in Bible, Genesis, you see perfectly scientific explanation about the beginning of universe and planet earth.
From day 1 to 7 God created sky, earth, water, land, animals...
How people 5000 or 6000 years ago could know such facts?
You can think that God couldn't create everything in just 6 days but do you really think that we are talking here about literal 6 days with 24 hours?
In other place in the bible, Peter said: Don't you know that for God one day is like 1000 years and 1000 years as one day?
So, if we change term 6 days with 6 periods of development of the universe, than God's creation and evolution have no difference.
Just, evolution can't answer question about the beginning of universe.
Religion can answer it. It's only difference between evolution and religion.




You are right.  Religion provides answers.  Science discovers and validates answers.


Do you really think that you can discover another, spiritual dimension of existence, spiritual world, with classic scientific tools?
No way.
Spiritual reality we can see only with our spiritual senses, not physical.
Before creation of the Universe, time and space didn't exist.
Physical world and physical laws didn't exist.
So, it's obvious that science can't answer, or discovers and validates theories about creation of the universe.
Only religion can do it.
Science can research only visible universe, after creation.

8329  Other / Politics & Society / Re: Why is Trump being vilified over Russia? on: May 19, 2017, 03:17:45 PM
It is now obvious that the whole issue of Assad and the seran gas was false reporting, probably orchestrated by the deep state. Evidence seems to support the fact that Assad attacked a chlorine gas weapons manufacturing unit run by the Islamic State. It seems that Trump had to bow to pressure to take action, and thus the pantomime started. His action in ensuring that there were no Russian casualties probably averted a third world war.

Why isn't he being given credit for an inspired act of diplomacy in the face of the treasonous deep state media fake publicity?

Really?
Can you share this news?
I didn't read it.
Do you have some concrete proofs?
I know that official investigation still didn't finish.
I think that Trump did the right thing and stopped Assad to kill even more innocent people in Syria.
His future is no so bright, in my opinion.
8330  Bitcoin / Bitcoin Discussion / Re: Bitcoin ATM on: May 19, 2017, 03:11:51 PM
Before we can deploy ATM bitcoin, we need to talk about its popularity. We can not place ATM bitcoin in a country where bitcoin is not considered, which is a waste. At present, bitcoin is only common in some parts of the world, so little bitcoin ATM exists. The cost of transactions is essential, we do not need to bother about it.
I Agrre, withyou, we cannot make a bitcoin bank or build an atm that containing or converting bitcoin if the country we provided doesnt accept bitcoin in their country, what if the machine has no money , it is empty no more people or bank members will refill the money on it, and therefore we will back on our onlike banking and our online wallet, building an atm machine on a country doesnt support it is not recommended.

Well, in my country, Croatia, we already have 2 bitcoin ATM but bitcoin is still not officially accepted (and still no so much users).
Still, one company managed to start official business with buying and selling bitcoin.
How?
It looks, they find some ''hole'' in the current law, and even they managed to avoid paying taxes on transactions, based on the article in the law that tax is not paid on banknotes or money which is not officially in use Smiley
So, even without full legal acceptance, it's possible to have bitcoin aTM and even buy or sell bitcoins.
8331  Bitcoin / Bitcoin Discussion / Re: Will Bitcoin overcome Paypal? on: May 19, 2017, 02:56:35 PM
Bitcoin being more famous than PayPal shouldn't be that hard to do. PayPal is listed as a scam from many people's perspective of it since PayPal likes bullying the people that use the payment company.
Bitcoin can't get shut down so easily so it would be pretty tough for PayPal to reall fight against the coin and the community since PayPal is within bad-standing among the community. Maybe PayPal might wise up and integrate Bitcoin within their payment system ASAP.


In fact, many online payment processors like Solid Trust Pay, Payza, Perfect Money etc. already integrated bitcoin, so I really think that Paypal will have no choice but to follow it.
In the long term, I really think that bitcoin will overcome Paypal.
It's simple really.
Bitcoin gives anonymity, more security, possible profit if price increase etc.
Paypal can't offer it to the users.
8332  Other / Politics & Society / Re: Evolution is a hoax on: May 17, 2017, 03:32:55 PM


You and your science guys all over this thread arent addressing actual questions, you are merely offended by the fact, that somebody even has audicity to question Mr. Darwins theory. Darwin was anglican christian by the way.


I just did man!
And there is no problem with evolution and religion as long as you're not dumb enough to think that god created all species. You can believe that god created the world AND the evolution process.

And we're offended by the fact that you reject this scientifically proved theory without giving any argument :/

I don't think that religion and science are in conflict.
After all, when you read first book in Bible, Genesis, you see perfectly scientific explanation about the beginning of universe and planet earth.
From day 1 to 7 God created sky, earth, water, land, animals...
How people 5000 or 6000 years ago could know such facts?
You can think that God couldn't create everything in just 6 days but do you really think that we are talking here about literal 6 days with 24 hours?
In other place in the bible, Peter said: Don't you know that for God one day is like 1000 years and 1000 years as one day?
So, if we change term 6 days with 6 periods of development of the universe, than God's creation and evolution have no difference.
Just, evolution can't answer question about the beginning of universe.
Religion can answer it. It's only difference between evolution and religion.


8333  Other / Politics & Society / Re: How To Avoid All Terrorists In Planes - Travel By Train - Easy And Simple on: May 17, 2017, 03:20:56 PM
We all know how terrorists love airplanes, so the best way how to escape from terrorists would be - travel by train !!! There are also express trains, which move quite fast, so terrorist problem is solved.  Grin

I hope that you are joking here.
Terrorist already attacked trains in the past, and also airplanes, buses, used trucks etc.
So, there is no such thing as ''safe transport'' or ''safe place'' any more.
Terrorists can attack in any place, at any moment.
It's very serious and sensitive topic, so please be careful with your comments.
8334  Bitcoin / Bitcoin Discussion / Re: WOW!!! New Record 200622 Unconfirmed Transactions on: May 17, 2017, 02:48:08 PM
I just dont understand how big miners who block SegWit do not understand they will fuck up BTC this way, their main source of profits. For us, users, it s very easy to switch to some altcoin.

Dear miners, the balls is on your side of the court.

Miners get rich from fees.

Yes, it's true but we can't change it.
After all, what we can do?
Send bitcoin transaction with low fee and wait for days?
Or send btc transaction with high fee and receive confirmations in minutes?
I learned my lesson in hard way and now each bitcoin I send with high fees.
Hopefully, this situation will change but I doubt about it.
8335  Local / Hrvatski (Croatian) / Re: BTC primamo / Frizerski salon za muške "Đuka" / ZAGREB / on: May 17, 2017, 02:40:49 PM
Svaka čast na ovom oglasu.
Već dugo nisam pročitao originalniji i zabavniji poziv za šišanje Smiley
I još u bitcoinima Smiley
Možda vam uskoro i navratim!
8336  Local / Hrvatski (Croatian) / Re: Porez on: May 17, 2017, 02:33:49 PM
OK da se nadovežem na prethodni post.
Da, za zaradu od obavljeng rada, bez obzira radilo se o primarnom-prvom ili sekundarnom-drugom dohotku, u RH ili inozemstvu, svakako treba putem JOOPD obrasca predati prijavu poreznoj službi, u roku 8 dana, te uplatiti predujam poreza, prirez i sve doprinose.
Kako se točno ispunjava JOOPD obrazac već sam ranije objasnio na konkretnom primjeru, pa se neću na to vraćati.
Razlika može biti samo pod kojim šiframa i kategorijama ćete prijaviti taj dohodak, a to ovisi da li se radi o prvom ili drugom dohotku, da li je u pitanju fizička ili pravna osoba...
To je najbolje provjeriti u poreznoj, s vašim poreznim referentom.
Ako želite prijaviti ne zaradu od rada već od tzv. kapitalne dobiti, koji je manji i iznosi 12%, tu je priča već malo drugačija i u biti stvar je tumačenja vašeg poreznog referenta, i svakako se trebati javiti poreznoj radi pojašnjenja.
Kapitalna dobit se u 99% plaća na zaradu od dionica na burzi, dividendi firmi...
No,što je s Bitcoinom?
Da li se i on može gledati kao financijska inovina ili valuta?
Na ovo forumu jedan korisnik je poslao primjer računa, koji mu je izdala jedna domaća firma u RH, kod koje je kupovao i prodavao bitcoin.
Na računu se vidi da je uplata oslobođena plaćanja PDV-a.
Kako je to moguće ako bitcoin nije službeno priznat od države, ni kao valuta ni kao financijska imovina?
Rekao bih da direktno nije ali indirektno ipak je.
U zakonu o pDV-u nalazi se i ova stavka oslobađanja od plaćanja pDV-a:
U stavci e ovog članka 40 piše da su od PDV-a oslobođene:
e) transakcije, uključujući posredovanje, u vezi s valutama, novčanicama i kovanicama koje se koriste kao zakonsko sredstvo plaćanja, osim kolekcionarskih predmeta, odnosno kovanica od zlata, srebra ili drugog metala te novčanica koje se u pravilu ne koriste kao zakonsko sredstvo plaćanja ili kovanica od numizmatičkog interesa


Dakle, očigledno je da je zakonodavac indirektno ipak priznao bitcoin i to kao novčanicu koja ne služi kao zakonsko sredstvo plaćanja.
Na osnovu toga, ova hrvatska firma je dobila oslobođenje od plaćanja PDV-a na kupovinu i prodaju bitcoina u Hrvatskoj.
Zbog ovoga, mislim da ipak treba dobro provjeriti u poreznoj da li bi ipak trebalo plaćati porez na kapitalnu dobit na zaradu od bitcoina.
Nemojte ništa sami zaključivati i praviti se ''pametni'' jer bi vas to moglo skupo koštati.
Ako je bitcoin već indirektno reguliran zakonom o PDV-u, tko vam kaže da ne postoji neka stavka u zakonu o plaćanju poreza na kapitalnu dobit, koja se ne može primjeniti i na zaradu od bitcoina?
Ako naiđete na nekoj ''revnijeg'' poreznog referenta, koji će protumačiti zakon drugačije od vas, upast ćete nepotrebno u probleme.
Zato još jednom savjetujem, idite direktno u poreznu i pitajte svog poreznog referenta.
Neznanje ili nepoznavanje zakona vas ne oslobođa krivične odgovornosti zbog neprijavljivanja ili neplaćanja poreza.
U nastavku kopiram te postove, koji sam ovdje spominjao.



Malo sam istražio zakon o PDV-u.
Vidim da ti na računu piše da je transakcija oslobođena plaćanja PDV-a na temelju članka 40 Zakona o PDV-u.
Istražio sam to i, kako taj članak 40 navodi jako puno iznimaka, za koje se ne plaća pDV tj. vrijedi oslobođenje od plaćanja pDV-a kao što su npr. transakcije osiguranja i reosiguranja,  odobravanje kredita i zajmova,... neću ih ovdje sve navoditi već samo ono što mislim da se odnosi na nas tj. na bitcoin transakcije.
U stavci e ovog članka 40 piše da su od PDV-a oslobođene:
e) transakcije, uključujući posredovanje, u vezi s valutama, novčanicama i kovanicama koje se koriste kao zakonsko sredstvo plaćanja, osim kolekcionarskih predmeta, odnosno kovanica od zlata, srebra ili drugog metala te novčanica koje se u pravilu ne koriste kao zakonsko sredstvo plaćanja ili kovanica od numizmatičkog interesa,

Dakle, ili je kupovina i prodaja bitcoina oslobođena plaćanja PDV-a jer bitcoin tretiraju kao drugu valutu (što ne vjerujem jer to ne mogu bez dozvole HNB-a) ili zato što bitcoin tretiraju kao ''novčanicu koja se u pravilu ne koristi kao zakonsko sredstvo plaćanja''
što je puno vjerojatnije i realnije.
Vjerujem da ovoj firmi nije bilo lako dokazati u poreznoj što je bitcoin (i pitanje koliko su to uspjeli) no ipak su uspjeli pronaći ''rupu'' u zakonu, odredbu koja se može primjeniti na bitcoin transakcije i tako dobiti oslobođenje od PDV-a.
Treba im čestitati što su to uspjeli.


To je sve još uvijek nesigurno. I ja sam do sada mislio da u trenutku kada se novac povuče na račun treba platiti porez i to mi je i logično jer je isto kao da ste prodali bilo što drugo, ali ovdje imam primjer gdje sam prodao i kupio BTC od legalne tvrtke u Zagrebu i u računu koje dostavljam niže piše da je sve oslobođeno poreza:

Prodaja:

https://ufile.io/3kxd4

Kupnja:

https://ufile.io/1u75t
8337  Other / Politics & Society / Re: Facebook our most potent weapon, UK political parties say on: May 15, 2017, 02:47:35 PM
Facebook our most potent weapon, UK political parties say

Labour insiders who worked for former party leader Ed Miliband insist that the 2015 UK general election was won and lost on Facebook.

While Labour built an impressive army of like-minded followers on the social media platform, the Conservatives were quietly using their bigger digital budget to target undecided voters in key marginal seats.

“We mistook getting lots of likes as an effective [digital] campaign,” said one Labour source, who said the party is changing its tactics ahead of next month’s general election.

Labour is not alone. All of the main political parties are ramping up their use of social media in the run-up to polling day, with campaign managers considering Facebook their most-powerful political weapon.

https://www.ft.com/content/c78c3bd0-36f8-11e7-99bd-13beb0903fa3

I agree with this report.
In fact, I know one friend who started political campaign for city council in my local area.
He didn't have any money so 99 % of his political campaign was on FB.
On the end he didn't receive enough votes to get seats in the council but you got a idea.
After all, Trump won also mostly because of many fake news in media and social networks.
FB have much more influence than traditional media, TV or radio.
8338  Other / Politics & Society / Re: Why are rich countries rich and poor countries poor? on: May 15, 2017, 02:43:32 PM
It's not easy to answer such question.
We have to research history first.
The invention of wheels and iron were the first major drivers of the development of society, and after that gunpowder, printing, and industrialization of society.
Because of it, Europeans had a much more developed society than any country in Africa, Asia and both Americas.
Europeans dominated the world for centuries, economically exploited the colonies and imported cheap raw materials and labor work but technology they didn't share with colonies.
Africa, for example, got political independence very late, in the 20th century.
Economically, they still depend on former masters from Europe and here is main reason for all differences in development.

8339  Bitcoin / Bitcoin Discussion / Re: How to explain bitcoin to teenagers or children on: May 15, 2017, 02:26:51 PM
I think that many of you underestimate the teenagers or children.
Many of them probably know about Internet much more than you, including ideas how to earn on Internet.
Some of them probably already know about bitcoin.
I don't think that teenagers or children need a lot explanations about bitcoin, they will understand everything very quickly, don't worry about it Smiley
We just need to give them directions and answer their questions.
Soon, we will need their help to understand everything Smiley

8340  Economy / Speculation / Re: What price would you stop buying Bitcoin? on: May 15, 2017, 02:22:25 PM
The current price of BTC is quite high, I only buy when I need to exchange, there is no plan to store BTC! High price and always change so it is not suitable for my job.

I agree that currently btc price is to high for average users.
When bitcoin price was about $ 250-300, it was still affordable for the most btc users.
Now, I don't think that many people can afford to buy significant amount of btc with own funds.
So, they will have no choice but to try to collect bitcoin in other ways, like collecting faucets, signature campaigns, gambling, HYIP etc.
I personally didn't try to buy bitcoin since last year.
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