is there ONE dapp that has any real users or that is useful in any way? http://dapps.ethercasts.com looks like a bunch of useless homework projects That's a pretty endless list with plenty of smart people working hard on various promising projects, that alone tells you why Ethereum has value, because innovation gathers the smartest people possible. Ethereum barely has one year under its belt, its price is based on potential alone. Bitcoin has more than 5 and we are still quite not sure what it does, now it's digital gold and not a currency any more. Still hasn't catch on either. Both can transfer value quickly (Ethereum quite faster) though, just like many other coins o cryptocurrencies. To me, the bitcoin is both digital gold and a kind of currency. I invest in the bitcoin and also use it to buy things. That is what we all should do. Except it doesn't make sense at all, it's cool of course to be able to buy stuff but what problem solves for the average consumer or company? Nothing. No business can be built on it because of its volatility, it's only used for speculation and hoarding. Now in the future if businesses would actually use its blockchain (which it is its main value imo) and start adding services, registries, data into it and turning BTC or ETH into a huge database, then the value would be astronomical, every single satoshi or wei could count. A decentralized, bulletproof, globalized database/server. |
|
|
|
I see ChronoBank is the next ICONOMI  Hardly. Its a good project but its potential growth is smaller. First, adoption of crypto world in many countries is quite slow (from people point of view and also from government). Secondly, their idea can be much easier copied (it is not so revolutionary as Iconomi). And thirldy, Iconomi team made before Cashilla which is kind a complementary with Iconomi. Chronobank did not do anything similar in the past I won't comment if ChronoBank will be successful or not long term since it's all speculation and we are still years away of crypto going truly mainstream. However your arguments could be applied just the same to Iconomi. They seem to have plenty of connections and experience with real companies and employees, they are not coming from nothing. If they manage to cut expenses compared to other options as they said, their business will flourish. I think this is similar to Lykke (that's much more focused on banking, money transfer, etc but I believe they still aim for services exchanges). I think what distinguishes ChronoBank from other cryptoprojects is that LH tokens will actually have parity with current real world currencies. Let's face it, ETH, BTC, XMR are hardly spent or used daily because people hoard them. Volatility is the final nail on the coffin and the reason you can't really build a real world/daily business strictly based on cryptocurrencies other than a exchange or a betting site  The time tokens on the other hand are basically company shares which will receive dividends if the company grows (just like ICN). I was a bit unfair to note just what I see from negative side. Of course your comment summarizes good points which I agree. I am still worried about those negative sides though I've been doing some more research on ChronoBank and you can read a great review at https://www.smithandcrown.com/participate-chronobank-crowdsale/What's very interesting is this Edway group...they are basically coming up with Chronobank to solve their own problems, so that basically guarantees the project will have clients and employees already. This is a major advantage since it's basically the hardest part for any ico or new company (Iconomi for example will have to heavily promote its service to fiat investors, unless they already have some). Now, there are a lot of cons and question marks of course too but it's really a genuine and unique approach to actually use bring blockchain to the masses and be a solution, not a possibility. If crypto ever becomes a powerful industry in this new economy projects like Iconomi, Chronobank, Golem, Steem, Factom, Storj/Sia, ArcadeCity, etc, who are focused on a sector, niche or service will be the cornerstones of it. This assuming they have time to develop before the real boom and keep improving and adapting. That's why old giants like IBM, Microsoft and many others are still kings and trustable companies. Guys... please fuck your selves elsewhere. no one here gives a shit about your chrono cunt fuck. Actually we are discussing this because Iconomi most likely already invested on the ICO for the performance fund, so please don't be disrespectful. Your excuse to talk about Chrono proves you know very little about the investment process. First of all everything is transparent and all investments can be seen here: https://ico.iconomi.net/about-icnx-index Second Iconomi will not consider investing into any ICO as any crypto has to be at least two months old to be considered in the Index. Please find your dumb investors elsewhere. Your presence here screams FOMO. WTF are you talking about? While it's not confirmed, Iconomi could potentially invest in this ICO, just as it already did with Golem (surprise, you don't even know what we are talking about here, it's the performance fund not the index, get a clue). I'm not shilling this ICO, we are just discussing it because there's speculation based on photos of Iconomi team with Chronobank people, just like it happened with Kraken. Wings DAO is a another ICO that I think Iconomi will take part in if it didn't already happen. So please do your research first and understand the difference between the index and the performance fund before calling names and writing nonsense. I didn't even realize the performance fund has already invested into Golem. I'm catching up on these articles now. I get that you think your accusations are solid theories now. But this thread is still for the Fund management platform. I do not want to hear your hopes and dreams with fake news. Dude, we are not debating or discussing something that is not related to Iconomi, I know it's not confirmed but many are certainly sure that Iconomi already invested so that's why we are looking into it (I'm thinking of investing myself since there's a lot of time left). Performance fund would be the only way to get dividends before OFM is released so I think it's pretty important to analyze where our money is going. Golem, Chronobank and Wings are ok for me but I don't think they are very exciting really, not sure if they will be profitable for us. At least like I researched Chronobank will have a established (small) userbase already to work with. I don't understand Wings DAO at all and Golem is too technical for me too as I don't really see the mainstream market. |
|
|
|
I think we are seeing manipulation to make people FOMO into the 300-320k range right before dumping to 150k or below and crushing dreams. Just my opinion....its a little too obvious...nothing seems this easy in crypto.
I for once agree with you, of course dumping to 150k is crazy and will only happen if BTC goes truly parabolic and test 1k, which is very improbable in my opinion. However this recent spike seems like a bull trap indeed. |
|
|
|
It s obvious Factom s building strength for such a price rally we have not seen so far. I m biased but I d even be bold enough to say I expect Ether like rally from beginning of this year.
But let us stay focused on development. Paul did say ASAP and I m glad the team s got that kind of devotion and understanding.
You might be a little too biased.. I'm also very optimistic but I doubt well see that kind of run, i think it will be much more gradual. It will take a long time before we hit eth levels. One or two big names being included in the program can generate lots of heat. It all comes down to good product supported by great marketing. Former we have. Although it is posible it will get there, it is extremely unlikely FCT will reach $100 anytime soon. Sure, ride 'free' FCT, but I hope none of us will be holding a majority of out investment all the way up. It's your call, but imho it would be irresponsible not to sell some along the way. Diversify. As into cash, stocks, other reputable cryptos, and real estate  'Bulls make money, bears make money, pigs get slaughtered'. Definitely but it depends on your target price. Honestly $100 would be a medium term target price once crypto start to really get mainstream attention. That is if Factom company really expands and sign companies (big or small) and becomes profitable, we have a long way before that. Then if Factom becomes a household name for this booming crypto industry, $100 is peanuts of course. Factom would be similar and much better positioned than IBM, Cisco, Oracle (it can even be bought by them...). Short term (next months) I think $8-10 is a possible target price if everything goes well with M2, Exodus wallet and other news. You can start selling some at $5 or more. Remember, ETH, DASH and XMR had crazy runs and neither of them went back to $2-3. It would be great if many of us could sell at $5-6 and buy back at $2-3, but it's risky, no one knows what could happen, there's plenty of variables. Same with any price above $10-20 |
|
|
|
I see ChronoBank is the next ICONOMI Hardly. Its a good project but its potential growth is smaller. First, adoption of crypto world in many countries is quite slow (from people point of view and also from government). Secondly, their idea can be much easier copied (it is not so revolutionary as Iconomi). And thirldy, Iconomi team made before Cashilla which is kind a complementary with Iconomi. Chronobank did not do anything similar in the past I won't comment if ChronoBank will be successful or not long term since it's all speculation and we are still years away of crypto going truly mainstream. However your arguments could be applied just the same to Iconomi. They seem to have plenty of connections and experience with real companies and employees, they are not coming from nothing. If they manage to cut expenses compared to other options as they said, their business will flourish. I think this is similar to Lykke (that's much more focused on banking, money transfer, etc but I believe they still aim for services exchanges). I think what distinguishes ChronoBank from other cryptoprojects is that LH tokens will actually have parity with current real world currencies. Let's face it, ETH, BTC, XMR are hardly spent or used daily because people hoard them. Volatility is the final nail on the coffin and the reason you can't really build a real world/daily business strictly based on cryptocurrencies other than a exchange or a betting site The time tokens on the other hand are basically company shares which will receive dividends if the company grows (just like ICN). I was a bit unfair to note just what I see from negative side. Of course your comment summarizes good points which I agree. I am still worried about those negative sides though I've been doing some more research on ChronoBank and you can read a great review at https://www.smithandcrown.com/participate-chronobank-crowdsale/What's very interesting is this Edway group...they are basically coming up with Chronobank to solve their own problems, so that basically guarantees the project will have clients and employees already. This is a major advantage since it's basically the hardest part for any ico or new company (Iconomi for example will have to heavily promote its service to fiat investors, unless they already have some). Now, there are a lot of cons and question marks of course too but it's really a genuine and unique approach to actually use bring blockchain to the masses and be a solution, not a possibility. If crypto ever becomes a powerful industry in this new economy projects like Iconomi, Chronobank, Golem, Steem, Factom, Storj/Sia, ArcadeCity, etc, who are focused on a sector, niche or service will be the cornerstones of it. This assuming they have time to develop before the real boom and keep improving and adapting. That's why old giants like IBM, Microsoft and many others are still kings and trustable companies. Guys... please fuck your selves elsewhere. no one here gives a shit about your chrono cunt fuck. Actually we are discussing this because Iconomi most likely already invested on the ICO for the performance fund, so please don't be disrespectful. Your excuse to talk about Chrono proves you know very little about the investment process. First of all everything is transparent and all investments can be seen here: https://ico.iconomi.net/about-icnx-index Second Iconomi will not consider investing into any ICO as any crypto has to be at least two months old to be considered in the Index. Please find your dumb investors elsewhere. Your presence here screams FOMO. WTF are you talking about? While it's not confirmed, Iconomi could potentially invest in this ICO, just as it already did with Golem (surprise, you don't even know what we are talking about here, it's the performance fund not the index, get a clue). I'm not shilling this ICO, we are just discussing it because there's speculation based on photos of Iconomi team with Chronobank people, just like it happened with Kraken. Wings DAO is a another ICO that I think Iconomi will take part in if it didn't already happen. So please do your research first and understand the difference between the index and the performance fund before calling names and writing nonsense. |
|
|
|
|
HT: West Brom 0 - 0 Manchester United
FT: West Brom 0 - 0 Manchester United
|
|
|
|
I see ChronoBank is the next ICONOMI Hardly. Its a good project but its potential growth is smaller. First, adoption of crypto world in many countries is quite slow (from people point of view and also from government). Secondly, their idea can be much easier copied (it is not so revolutionary as Iconomi). And thirldy, Iconomi team made before Cashilla which is kind a complementary with Iconomi. Chronobank did not do anything similar in the past I won't comment if ChronoBank will be successful or not long term since it's all speculation and we are still years away of crypto going truly mainstream. However your arguments could be applied just the same to Iconomi. They seem to have plenty of connections and experience with real companies and employees, they are not coming from nothing. If they manage to cut expenses compared to other options as they said, their business will flourish. I think this is similar to Lykke (that's much more focused on banking, money transfer, etc but I believe they still aim for services exchanges). I think what distinguishes ChronoBank from other cryptoprojects is that LH tokens will actually have parity with current real world currencies. Let's face it, ETH, BTC, XMR are hardly spent or used daily because people hoard them. Volatility is the final nail on the coffin and the reason you can't really build a real world/daily business strictly based on cryptocurrencies other than a exchange or a betting site The time tokens on the other hand are basically company shares which will receive dividends if the company grows (just like ICN). I was a bit unfair to note just what I see from negative side. Of course your comment summarizes good points which I agree. I am still worried about those negative sides though I've been doing some more research on ChronoBank and you can read a great review at https://www.smithandcrown.com/participate-chronobank-crowdsale/What's very interesting is this Edway group...they are basically coming up with Chronobank to solve their own problems, so that basically guarantees the project will have clients and employees already. This is a major advantage since it's basically the hardest part for any ico or new company (Iconomi for example will have to heavily promote its service to fiat investors, unless they already have some). Now, there are a lot of cons and question marks of course too but it's really a genuine and unique approach to actually use bring blockchain to the masses and be a solution, not a possibility. If crypto ever becomes a powerful industry in this new economy projects like Iconomi, Chronobank, Golem, Steem, Factom, Storj/Sia, ArcadeCity, etc, who are focused on a sector, niche or service will be the cornerstones of it. This assuming they have time to develop before the real boom and keep improving and adapting. That's why old giants like IBM, Microsoft and many others are still kings and trustable companies. Guys... please fuck your selves elsewhere. no one here gives a shit about your chrono cunt fuck. Actually we are discussing this because Iconomi most likely already invested on the ICO for the performance fund, so please don't be disrespectful. |
|
|
|
I see ChronoBank is the next ICONOMI Hardly. Its a good project but its potential growth is smaller. First, adoption of crypto world in many countries is quite slow (from people point of view and also from government). Secondly, their idea can be much easier copied (it is not so revolutionary as Iconomi). And thirldy, Iconomi team made before Cashilla which is kind a complementary with Iconomi. Chronobank did not do anything similar in the past I won't comment if ChronoBank will be successful or not long term since it's all speculation and we are still years away of crypto going truly mainstream. However your arguments could be applied just the same to Iconomi. They seem to have plenty of connections and experience with real companies and employees, they are not coming from nothing. If they manage to cut expenses compared to other options as they said, their business will flourish. I think this is similar to Lykke (that's much more focused on banking, money transfer, etc but I believe they still aim for services exchanges). I think what distinguishes ChronoBank from other cryptoprojects is that LH tokens will actually have parity with current real world currencies. Let's face it, ETH, BTC, XMR are hardly spent or used daily because people hoard them. Volatility is the final nail on the coffin and the reason you can't really build a real world/daily business strictly based on cryptocurrencies other than a exchange or a betting site The time tokens on the other hand are basically company shares which will receive dividends if the company grows (just like ICN). I was a bit unfair to note just what I see from negative side. Of course your comment summarizes good points which I agree. I am still worried about those negative sides though I've been doing some more research on ChronoBank and you can read a great review at https://www.smithandcrown.com/participate-chronobank-crowdsale/What's very interesting is this Edway group...they are basically coming up with Chronobank to solve their own problems, so that basically guarantees the project will have clients and employees already. This is a major advantage since it's basically the hardest part for any ico or new company (Iconomi for example will have to heavily promote its service to fiat investors, unless they already have some). Now, there are a lot of cons and question marks of course too but it's really a genuine and unique approach to actually use bring blockchain to the masses and be a solution, not a possibility. If crypto ever becomes a powerful industry in this new economy projects like Iconomi, Chronobank, Golem, Steem, Factom, Storj/Sia, ArcadeCity, etc, who are focused on a sector, niche or service will be the cornerstones of it. This assuming they have time to develop before the real boom and keep improving and adapting. That's why old giants like IBM, Microsoft and many others are still kings and trustable companies. |
|
|
|
This don't make sense to me. Why the dividends are not paid back as ICN? If it was to be paid in ICN, then ICN price will rise instead of ETH, right?  even being a noob.... stop and think... when Microsoft or other corporations pay dividends, to their stock holders, is always monthly/quartal/annually in dollars.... they will never pay the dividens in more stocks... so why ICN should do that?? Like i wrote ... the dividends will be paid in ETH because the smart contract for the distribution is only paying in ETH, because ICN is an Ethereum based Token! And I think the ICONOMI team mentioned there will be an option where you can automatically let your ETH dividends been sold at the ETH/ICN price at that time. So you will automatically will receive ICN if you wich! How can ICN pay dividends in ICN if there's no inflation? The trolling here is out of control. I think it would be a good idea for Iconomi to integrate a conversion utility built right into the platform (like shapeshift but also offering fiat) and charge fees for every transaction. A lot of people would want to convert that ETH into BTC or other currencies right away and this would be very profitable to do if they choose to do it onsite. |
|
|
|
|
I personally don't gamble much and I've always kept a cool head, I know it's only entertainment and nothing else, I don't even expect to win money. However my advise would be to not empower it so much. For example, many alcoholics swear alcohol forever, then the relapse is worse. You can't really avoid something your whole life unless you have a life threatening issue.
I would say to try to know off the notion that would get rich gambling, you won't, just have some fun and consider your money gone the minute you gamble it. Just like when you buy alcohol that money is gone.
|
|
|
|
I see ChronoBank is the next ICONOMI Hardly. Its a good project but its potential growth is smaller. First, adoption of crypto world in many countries is quite slow (from people point of view and also from government). Secondly, their idea can be much easier copied (it is not so revolutionary as Iconomi). And thirldy, Iconomi team made before Cashilla which is kind a complementary with Iconomi. Chronobank did not do anything similar in the past I won't comment if ChronoBank will be successful or not long term since it's all speculation and we are still years away of crypto going truly mainstream. However your arguments could be applied just the same to Iconomi. They seem to have plenty of connections and experience with real companies and employees, they are not coming from nothing. If they manage to cut expenses compared to other options as they said, their business will flourish. I think this is similar to Lykke (that's much more focused on banking, money transfer, etc but I believe they still aim for services exchanges). I think what distinguishes ChronoBank from other cryptoprojects is that LH tokens will actually have parity with current real world currencies. Let's face it, ETH, BTC, XMR are hardly spent or used daily because people hoard them. Volatility is the final nail on the coffin and the reason you can't really build a real world/daily business strictly based on cryptocurrencies other than a exchange or a betting site The time tokens on the other hand are basically company shares which will receive dividends if the company grows (just like ICN). |
|
|
|
Antshares team have been disappointing starting with the wallet release, the investors were left in the cold and my trust in this project keeps eroding daily.
Yeah mines not at an all time high waiting over 3 months for chump change, its all good when your promoting them through your signature but don't ask to be paid ffs . Antshare can i send you my address and you send me teh coins because any longer and I will give up on this project but not before my last resort starting an accusation against you guys, infact if it is not paid this week I will require interest not to start a scam, accusation on the forum because that is what it is if I am not paid ASAP. Not work get paid 3 fucking months later lol I already expressed my concerns, I would like for the team to contact many of us directly and handle the ANS themselves or just refund our money altogether if they are too incompetent to put out a proper wallet. It's been months and the ridiculous sync problems are a clear sign this is a complete incompetent team who does not care about their investors at all. You can't even withdraw from ICO site like much lesser projects offered recently. Withdrawing to a wallet that doesn't work nor sync, I must take the word from them that our ANS exists but I'm just not sure anymore, seems like a rushed out job to get the "wallets" out there, grab some fast cash and forget about it. |
|
|
|
|
HT: Crystal Palace 0 v 0 Manchester United
FT: Crystal Palace 0 v 0 Manchester United
|
|
|
|
It does look like i would have to spend more than 200 USD to buy 1K of ICN, I'm so far lucky to have 4k still in my account. If that $3 happens, i still can profit a bit but it would be best to receive dividends still.
don't count on too much dividends for 4K ICN I think 4K ICN is enough if Iconomi is really succesful (beyond eToro, Poloniex, Kraken level) and crypto industries boom. The more you hold the better of course but considering no inflation and relatively small supply of "shares" you would be holding a decent amount. 10K would equal to 0.01% of the company which will make you a considerable shareholder. Not everyone can get 100k ICN or similar, so for a very humble investment you can get an amazing return if it succeeds. A similar situation happened with Ethereum in terms of prices (ICN could never get to ETH levels or may very well beat them due to dividends enticement). In two years if crypto becomes a reality would it be so crazy to see BTC above 2-3k, ETH above $100 and ICN above $20? |
|
|
|
|
Honestly I think Kraken is one of the best and most serious exchanges in terms of crypto, it has a lot of prestige compared to others since it's fiat based, fully regulated and very secure. However I can't understand how to actually make a trade, view the orderbook, prices, whatever, the UI is the most complex thing I've ever witness (and I'm a designer!).
I can't believe they don't address this, honestly I bought some ICN back when it was 14k since it was a great price imo (I was right). I'm looking to buy some more in the next dip but I really hate the process, I don't care about Iconomi being listed in other exchanges, it's just that Kraken is a pain to use. Poloniex and even Bittrex are very easy to use. I'm surprised Shapeshift didn't add it (dividends doesn't matter, they added SingularDTV).
|
|
|
|
|
Someone knows something, usually there's a little jump in price before major news, crypto is not regulated and the temptation is too high. I'm not saying the team is trading or anything like that but there are plenty of people who can figure out if a release is getting ready, news are getting released etc.
Maybe it was only because of BTC dump, but I doubt it because it didn't went down as BTC recovered...
|
|
|
|
is there ONE dapp that has any real users or that is useful in any way? http://dapps.ethercasts.com looks like a bunch of useless homework projects That's a pretty endless list with plenty of smart people working hard on various promising projects, that alone tells you why Ethereum has value, because innovation gathers the smartest people possible. Ethereum barely has one year under its belt, its price is based on potential alone. Bitcoin has more than 5 and we are still quite not sure what it does, now it's digital gold and not a currency any more. Still hasn't catch on either. Both can transfer value quickly (Ethereum quite faster) though, just like many other coins o cryptocurrencies. |
|
|
|
Hello guys:
I will check with dev regarding remaining bounty issues, our team needs to sync on the list.
We just updated web wallet yesterday, check it out and tell us how does it feel now (esp for connection speed)
An interesting finding is that the sync speed on iOS platform is incredibly fast....
meanwhile, as for Poloniex, no ppl we cannot pay them "funds" to get listed, that's not their nor our policy.
I've tried it with Chrome, Opera and other Browsers. It needs about 110 seconds for 50 blocks. For all blocks that would be 143 hours. When will the new nodes be activated? This is getting ridiculous, I can't sync on Chrome or Android app (already updated to recent version), it takes ages (like several days) and even when it finishes nothing happens, no send/receive wallet options, etc. I'm not trying to spread fud or anything but this is just a warning sign of things to come for me. I can't understand why there's no an option to withdraw right from the ICO site like every other project. |
|
|
|
|
HT: Leicester 0 - 0 Man City
FT: Leicester 0 - 0 Man City
|
|
|
|
Yes, I work in the industry hehe. I'm not screaming plagiarism in these days, as you said such simple shapes and logos are impossible to not look similar after years and years and the explosion of the internet made this debate irrelevant. The problem here in my opinion (as with company names, domains, brands) is that LBRY and Stratis share the same category, I wouldn't say they are competitors of course but they certainly operate in the same sector and that's cryptocurrencies or blockchain related companies/projects. Again, I'm not implying there's a legal issue or anything. |
|
|
|
|
Show Posts
