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8421  Alternate cryptocurrencies / Announcements (Altcoins) / Re: [XMR] Monero - A secure, private, untraceable cryptocurrency - 0.8.8.6 on: February 03, 2015, 12:54:32 AM
So when running a node does it auto store the block chain every 12 hours?

Yes or when you exit or type save
8422  Alternate cryptocurrencies / Announcements (Altcoins) / Re: [XMR] Monero - A secure, private, untraceable cryptocurrency - 0.8.8.6 on: February 02, 2015, 10:29:52 AM
How about a software upgrade where the software client replaces any user generated transaction's mixin parameter with 3, if the user does not enter a mixin or if mixin is less than 3

This will not require a hard fork.


I was looking at simplewallet.cpp but I'm not sure exactly where the code change would be https://github.com/monero-project/bitmonero/blob/master/src/simplewallet/simplewallet.cpp

You could implement something like that around line 1077, which is where fake_outs_count gets parsed from the transfer command.

However, it is a bit more complex to do right because there are cases where it is impossible to mix because there aren't enough outputs of the same size. This mostly happens with dust-type outputs but can also happen with large amounts. So in that case (maybe after a few tries because sometimes that helps) you would want to reduce the mix factor, maybe after getting confirmation from the user.

8423  Alternate cryptocurrencies / Announcements (Altcoins) / Re: [XMR] Monero - A secure, private, untraceable cryptocurrency - 0.8.8.6 on: February 02, 2015, 08:12:03 AM
What is the estimated maximum transactions per second (TPS) of the monero network / protocol?

i've bitcoin is currently 7 TPS. Monero is?Huh

There is no hard protocol-defined limit the way there is in Bitcoin. In the original Cryptonote white paper, hard coded constants are given as a reason to want to improve on Bitcoin. (Sections 2.4 and 6.2.2 at least.)

What the limits turn out to be in practice will a function of technology (bandwidth, storage, etc.) and how it is used.

Keep in mind that the limits in Bitcoin are not limitations of the protocol either. They are limits built into the reference client in order to prevent spam, and can be easily lifted ("easily" is of course a matter of discussion, see the debate around the max block size and the required fork Wink )

I disagree. The protocol as currently defined (by the code, though certainly the limit is also well known and well documented too) requires that all blocks be rejected if they exceed 1 MB. If you don't do this your blocks will be rejected (even if they aren't > 1 MB, if they build on blocks that are). It is not simply a matter of the reference client not creating 1 MB blocks itself. Every other client must follow the same rule or its blocks will be rejected. Even if a non-mining node doesn't create blocks but relays non-conforming blocks, it will be dropped and banned, so to participate in the network every relay node must also apply the same rule.

The reason a hard fork is needed is to change the protocol. That does not apply to Monero.



8424  Alternate cryptocurrencies / Announcements (Altcoins) / Re: [XMR] Monero - A secure, private, untraceable cryptocurrency - 0.8.8.6 on: February 02, 2015, 08:08:55 AM
Calling BinaryFate

This sadly seems the consensus at r/bitcoin

"[–]dangero 29 points 7 hours ago
You can't track every single satoshi. Multiple inputs can be combined into a single output. At that point you cannot say which satoshi came from which input. Once they're mixed like that you can't separate them again and say which part came from where. It's like pouring multiple smaller cups of water into one larger cup. Once they are combined and mixed you can't provably separate them again. Even if you pour half out into another cup, who is to say where that half originally came from? Bitcoin is absolutely fungible."

https://www.reddit.com/r/Bitcoin/comments/2uew9j/bitcoin_is_a_finite_resource_like_land_if_you_own/

I know it's wrong, but I'm not sure I know how wrong it is.

The reddit poster is correct. Once you make a new transaction, you cannot tell which satoshi in the output came from which input. You can therefore not "follow" the way an individual satoshi took from its creation through the blockchain.

Now, keep in mind that this doesn't keep you from drawing some conclusions about the transactions/senders themselves. Even if we cannot track a single satoshi, by combining knowledge about multiple transactions you can sometimes figure out who sent what to whom.

It is simpler than that. Unless some form of mixing is being used, every input of a tranasction has the same owner. So every such transaction and every output is directly linkable to that owner. If the owner is using stolen bitcoin or some other form of "bad" bitcoin then every output of that transaction is tainted.

If mixing is used, then you have the issues of effectiveness (are enough people using it at the same time, are their transactions of similar size) and trust (is the mixer going to steal your coins or keep records of which inputs correspond with which outputs).



8425  Alternate cryptocurrencies / Announcements (Altcoins) / Re: [XMR] Monero - A secure, private, untraceable cryptocurrency - 0.8.8.6 on: February 02, 2015, 03:39:05 AM
What is the estimated maximum transactions per second (TPS) of the monero network / protocol?

i've bitcoin is currently 7 TPS. Monero is?Huh

There is no hard protocol-defined limit the way there is in Bitcoin. In the original Cryptonote white paper, hard coded constants are given as a reason to want to improve on Bitcoin. (Sections 2.4 and 6.2.2 at least.)

What the limits turn out to be in practice will a function of technology (bandwidth, storage, etc.) and how it is used.

8426  Alternate cryptocurrencies / Announcements (Altcoins) / Re: [XMR] Monero - A secure, private, untraceable cryptocurrency - 0.8.8.6 on: February 02, 2015, 12:16:17 AM
I'm not sure where this 0.03-0.10 range comes from. There are plenty of 0.01 transactions that are < 1 KB.  Here is one from within the past hour:

http://chainradar.com/xmr/block/1b4a04fd1f2ce2ebc52a962f9a3b2278e647f9c51a512e1062a374a214db3178

It is even possible to have small transactions with mixins that still come in < 1 KB (so 0.01 fee) if they have a small number of intputs and outputs, though this one doesn't.

As for people not bothering to upgrade I think that says a lot about the perceived cost of the fees. 3 US cents seems to not concern a lot of folks if they can't bother to download an update.
8427  Alternate cryptocurrencies / Altcoin Discussion / Re: Crypto Kingdom - 1991 Retro Virtual World(City) on: February 01, 2015, 12:04:59 PM
Land auction

Smooth QC is selling by auction the current quarry site at 3-E (150 quadrats). Delivery is to take place on or after 1578.

The starting price is 1100 (7.333/q) and will decline by 50 every 24 hours from this post until sold.

EDIT: I had specified the wrong chapelry by mistake. Since the correct one is less proximate to developed areas the starting price has been lowered to 1100

8428  Alternate cryptocurrencies / Announcements (Altcoins) / Re: [XMR] Monero - A secure, private, untraceable cryptocurrency - 0.8.8.6 on: February 01, 2015, 03:23:52 AM
1. You can research the XDN difficulty chart,  ask forum folks here about mining XDN since 1st block. Ask smooth, seems he liked XDN and mined it since first blocks and he can confirm that.

It is true that I mined XDN from the beginning and there was no premine. However, you will note that tacotime didn't claim a premine, he claimed an instamine. Now on that score I must still respectfully disagree with him and agree with you. An instamine generally refers to the case where difficulty adjustment doesn't kick in fast enough and an enormous number of coins are mined quickly at very low difficulty (for example, DRK, where 25% were mined on the first day or something). The XDN difficulty adjustment worked well and the number of coins mined at the beginning was more or less in line with the published schedule, so I wouldn't call that an instamine.

It is also true that one month for reward having is an extremely fast reward schedule. I'd more properly call that a "fast mine."  Finally, it is also true that the ducknote->darknote rebrand, which one might imagine was planned from the start, happened after a few of these reward cuts meaning the bulk of the coins had been mined by the time the somewhat silly meme branding that many dismissed (though I did indeed like) was taken off and the more credible branding added. I understand that you have claimed other reasons for this reward schedule, yet the fact remains that nearly all of the coins were mined before darkNote existed.

P.S. Various comments are made and opinions expressed on the forum. Is it really necessary to respond in such a hostile and defensive manner when you disagree with something?

P.P.S. Are you affiliated with bytecoin or cryptonote in any way?
8429  Alternate cryptocurrencies / Announcements (Altcoins) / Re: [XMR] Monero - A secure, private, untraceable cryptocurrency - 0.8.8.6 on: January 31, 2015, 09:20:20 PM
Also, did anyone noticed minergate.com (registed by "Sophia Wright") resambles the cryptonote website theme and they link Monero to a weird website called bitmonero.org, that is only also listed on cryptonote.org/coins. And according to this website:

Yes, Minergate is obviously run by the same crew of bytecoin scammers. Barely anyone had a chance to even compile bytecoin when it was "discovered" and they were already operating a pool (10% pool fee originally btw).

8430  Alternate cryptocurrencies / Announcements (Altcoins) / Re: [XMR] Monero - A secure, private, untraceable cryptocurrency - 0.8.8.6 on: January 30, 2015, 09:36:12 PM
BCN   2252 USD

Only if you buy into hitbtc being real. Otherwise...

8431  Alternate cryptocurrencies / Service Announcements (Altcoins) / Re: Cryptocoins-Dice.com | Monero - Magi - Dogecoin | Play - Invest - Leverage on: January 30, 2015, 02:01:55 PM
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Every weeks I'll transfer the whole funds from address1 to address2.
Before doing transfer you're shown a payment ID which will be bind to it.
Then I make public the Tx Hash, containing the transfered volume and my payment ID

Once you publish the payment id someone else could do a transaction claiming to be you for example showing less reserves than you are supposed to have, which could lead to confusion.

Better to post a hash of a new payment id, then the txid using that payment id.


8432  Economy / Speculation / Re: Gold collapsing. Bitcoin UP. on: January 30, 2015, 03:18:43 AM
I've heard it said both ways....good money drives out bad.  Bad money drives out good.  However you say it, it just means you're not going to spend something if you think it's going to appreciate in value.  It doesn't get much simpler than that

That doesn't work. For a transaction to occur, buyer and seller must agree on the terms. If the buyer won't spend his money because he thinks it will appreciate, then the seller won't accept money he expects to depreciate. They have to meet in the middle somewhere.

They do that with a thing called "price".

Exactly. At which point the buyer will be willing to spend "better" money or the seller will be willing to accept "worse" money, or both.

So the bad doesn't drive out the good after all, in any meaningful sense that applies here.



8433  Economy / Speculation / Re: Gold collapsing. Bitcoin UP. on: January 29, 2015, 10:36:37 PM
I've heard it said both ways....good money drives out bad.  Bad money drives out good.  However you say it, it just means you're not going to spend something if you think it's going to appreciate in value.  It doesn't get much simpler than that

That doesn't work. For a transaction to occur, buyer and seller must agree on the terms. If the buyer won't spend his money because he thinks it will appreciate, then the seller won't accept money he expects to depreciate. They have to meet in the middle somewhere.

8434  Alternate cryptocurrencies / Announcements (Altcoins) / Re: [XMR] Monero - A secure, private, untraceable cryptocurrency - 0.8.8.6 on: January 29, 2015, 09:45:01 PM
My vote is on "Mooners".  Grin

Je suis Luke

8435  Alternate cryptocurrencies / Speculation (Altcoins) / Re: [XMR] Monero Speculation on: January 29, 2015, 08:57:30 PM
look - I hold even one of this smart contract tokens in quite a decent amount and had even a few projects more - the nearer to bitcoin the better.
but if you really really break it down you have to ask - why use bitshares as a collateral, when it would be much easier to use btc as a collateral? - if it works they will clone it and use it as a sidechain, same holds true for obvious all other 2.0 projects.

To get there you have to believe that side chains make sense in the first place. The pure side chain seems to rely on merged mining and/or transaction fees as incentive, and there are lot of problems with both.

The model of side chains that makes the most sense to me is a chain that can function as a side chain for btc but also has its own coin to reward mining, not the idea that btc will be the only coin and mining will by rewarded by hopium to borrow a word used on the thread a few posts back. Once you accept this you have to reject the "there can be only one" idea though, which is a lot of what motivate the side chains concept. So I'm not sure the whole thing fits together at all.

If these asset platforms turn out to make sense then one can be added to Monero the way counterparty, mastercoin, or colored coins work on bitcoin. I'm skeptical of all of them, but ultimately Monero has no disadvantage here.
8436  Alternate cryptocurrencies / Announcements (Altcoins) / Re: [XMR] Monero - A secure, private, untraceable cryptocurrency - 0.8.8.6 on: January 29, 2015, 07:48:36 PM

"FinCEN understands that Bitcoin mining imposes no obligations on a Bitcoin user to send mined Bitcoin to any other person or place for the benefit of another. Instead, the user is free to use the mined virtual currency or its equivalent for the user’s own purposes, such as to purchase real or virtual goods and services for the user’s own use. To the extent that a user mines Bitcoin and uses the Bitcoin solely for the user’s own purposes and not for the benefit of another, the user is not an MSB under FinCEN’s regulations,"

Sounds very clear to me, Masternodes are not MSBs. (I'm not a lawyer, take it for what it's worth)


"Bitcoin mining imposes no obligations on a Bitcoin user to send mined Bitcoin to any other person or place for the benefit of another."

Isn't that exactly what a Masternode does. You are taking other people's coins, mixing it up, and sending it to other people, for the benefit of other people.

No that isn't what masternodes do. They mix up addressing information but the masternodes don't take possession of the coins.

8437  Economy / Speculation / Re: Gold collapsing. Bitcoin UP. on: January 29, 2015, 10:09:49 AM
There was once discussion about an exodus plan if a superior technology existed that was not fork-able.  It would maintain a centralized legacy support for cold storage. Bitcoins would be converted proportionally as a one-way transaction. While I commend altcoin developers, some of them have been abusing the community with proof of burn IPOs. Not many people can afford to just dump bitcoins for something that has no value. Yeah free market bla bla, but most of them are scams. Is anyone working on a method to clone one of these altcoins and convert bitcoin outputs to the new system? This would go a long way toward comforting folks that don't have confidence that Bitcoin can live up to its promise. Now I know this sounds like Side Chains. It is because I believe this is the natural consequence of such an experiment. There can be only one.

It was discussed somewhat extensively here, including some details about how claims would be represented and processed: https://bitcointalk.org/index.php?topic=563972.0

The last post on that thread reports someone who had implemented it as a proof of concept.
8438  Alternate cryptocurrencies / Announcements (Altcoins) / Re: [XMR] Monero - A secure, private, untraceable cryptocurrency - 0.8.8.6 on: January 29, 2015, 08:16:28 AM
I have question for Monero devs. Or anyone with knowledge I guess.

Do you follow the Bitcoin "hardfork" debate?
Maybe it's just drama but I think it's quite worrying that there is no consensus.

Will we find ourselves in a similar situation with Monero in a couple of years? I guess there is a hard limit on block size now.
Is it big enough to support a large network? If not will a change require a hardfork?


There is no block size limit in XMR.

Correct, but other hard fork issues could certainly turn political. We recently had a months long discussion about changing the emission schedule, and I wouldn't rule out other such disagreements in the future.

A hard protocol-imposed block size and capacity limit is one thing we don't have to worry about.




Ok good to know, I do think emission issues are easier to understand. I personally favor as low inflation as possible. If a hard fork was made that increased the inflation I would just stop using XMR.

The discussion wasn't about changing the total supply or overall inflation, but about whether to have more inflation now and less later or vice versa. In any case, no such changes are being considered any more.

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The Bitcoin block size issue is just harder for me to comprehend. Not sure what I would do if a hard fork really happened.

You are not alone. I don't think anyone knows what is going to happen.


8439  Alternate cryptocurrencies / Announcements (Altcoins) / Re: [XMR] Monero - A secure, private, untraceable cryptocurrency - 0.8.8.6 on: January 29, 2015, 07:59:10 AM
I have question for Monero devs. Or anyone with knowledge I guess.

Do you follow the Bitcoin "hardfork" debate?
Maybe it's just drama but I think it's quite worrying that there is no consensus.

Will we find ourselves in a similar situation with Monero in a couple of years? I guess there is a hard limit on block size now.
Is it big enough to support a large network? If not will a change require a hardfork?


There is no block size limit in XMR.

Correct, but other hard fork issues could certainly turn political. We recently had a months long discussion about changing the emission schedule, and I wouldn't rule out other such disagreements in the future.

A hard protocol-imposed block size and capacity limit is one thing we don't have to worry about.


8440  Alternate cryptocurrencies / Announcements (Altcoins) / Re: [XMR] Monero - A secure, private, untraceable cryptocurrency - 0.8.8.6 on: January 29, 2015, 02:16:57 AM
sweet, didn't know monero had a mascot.

Thanks to our, er, friends at hitbtc

https://twitter.com/hitbtc/status/482546301272608768
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