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881  Economy / Securities / Re: [BTC-TC] Deprived Mining Speculation (DMS) on: June 22, 2013, 04:07:31 AM
Correct me if I'm wrong.

DMS.MINING can only be profitable
 - if you sell it before the next difficulty adjustment with same or higher price you bought it.

DMS.SELLING can only be profitable
 - if you sell it after the difficulty adjustment with NAV/U post/dividend >= 410
 - or before difficulty adjustment with same or higher price you bought it.

or if you sell DMS.MINING and your DMS.SELLING higher than DMS.PURCHASE price

Sorry - that's nowhere near right.  There's a whole bunch of scenarios in which you can make a profit from one or both of them.

Most obviously you can make a profit from DMS.MINING if you buy it then hold it and receive more in dividends than you paid.  And that can be the case regardless of what happens at the next difficulty change - as future changes can make up any temporary loss of value you suffer.

In summary you make a profit if the price you sell for + dividends you receive is greater than what you paid.  That applies to any single share or combination of shares.

DMS.MINING will receive more in dividends, yeah if the difficulty only adjusting 5%, you can accumulate same price until December, with  the new upcoming faster Asic mining HW, I rather sell it early.

You said no where near right, your last paragraph you just summarized what I post.

The reason it's nowhere near right is you said MINING was only profitable if you sell it before the next difficulty change.  It can be profitable without you ever selling it.  There's broadly two ways to make a profit on it:

1.  Speculation/Trading - here its value is irrelevant and the key is to sell it for more than you bought it for (allowing for dividends received).
2.  Investment - here you need to buy it for a price where you'll get back more than the price without EVER having to sell it.

Your description only dealt with a sub-set of #1 (that sub-set where you buy before a difficulty rise and sell after - there's also potential profit buying and selling without a difficulty change or over multiple difficulty changes where you actually take a paper loss temporarily).  Is the price low enough yet for #2 to work?  That's for investors to decide themselves - there's no right or wrong answer as it depends on what assumptions you make about short/mediun term difficulty trends.

Thanks for more detail information.
However, with this type of bond, I only believe in #1, well it's just me. Cheers! Smiley
882  Economy / Securities / Re: [BitFunder] Please be careful of their equity assets ,my bitfunder Assets are g on: June 22, 2013, 03:36:37 AM
Is there any way to enable 2FA without a Smartphone?  I have an iPad (1st gen without a camera) and an iPod Touch (also without a camera), but it seems that the only way that I can use the Google Authenticator App is to use a smartphone which I don't have.

Why not buy one specially Android phone, its cheaper, you can play candy crush as well Cheesy
883  Economy / Securities / Re: [BTC-TC] Deprived Mining Speculation (DMS) on: June 22, 2013, 03:20:31 AM
Correct me if I'm wrong.

DMS.MINING can only be profitable
 - if you sell it before the next difficulty adjustment with same or higher price you bought it.

DMS.SELLING can only be profitable
 - if you sell it after the difficulty adjustment with NAV/U post/dividend >= 410
 - or before difficulty adjustment with same or higher price you bought it.

or if you sell DMS.MINING and your DMS.SELLING higher than DMS.PURCHASE price

Sorry - that's nowhere near right.  There's a whole bunch of scenarios in which you can make a profit from one or both of them.

Most obviously you can make a profit from DMS.MINING if you buy it then hold it and receive more in dividends than you paid.  And that can be the case regardless of what happens at the next difficulty change - as future changes can make up any temporary loss of value you suffer.

In summary you make a profit if the price you sell for + dividends you receive is greater than what you paid.  That applies to any single share or combination of shares.

DMS.MINING will receive more in dividends, yeah if the difficulty only adjusting 5%, you can accumulate same price until December, with  the new upcoming faster Asic mining HW, I rather sell it early.

You said no where near right, your last paragraph you just summarized what I post.
884  Economy / Securities / Re: [BTC-TC] Deprived Mining Speculation (DMS) on: June 22, 2013, 02:52:43 AM
Correct me if I'm wrong.

DMS.MINING can only be profitable
 - if you sell it before the next difficulty adjustment with same or higher price you bought it.

DMS.SELLING can only be profitable
 - if you sell it after the difficulty adjustment with NAV/U post/dividend >= 410
 - or before difficulty adjustment with same or higher price you bought it.

or if you sell DMS.MINING and your DMS.SELLING higher than DMS.PURCHASE price
885  Economy / Securities / Re: [BitFunder] Graet.Loan - Paying 0.05% interest daily on: June 21, 2013, 01:44:41 PM
I thought you can request refund of the loan at face value, why someone selling cheap their shares?
Is there a problem with Graet.loan right now?
886  Economy / Securities / Re: [BTC-TC] Deprived Mining Speculation (DMS) on: June 20, 2013, 04:19:51 PM
Difficulty is not rising much, if this will continue SELLER might not get any dividend in next adjustment.

pretty much entirely related to the asicminer hashing drop

Exactly, and now it is going back up to higher levels than it was before. Difficulty is going to skyrocket once again!



Yap, Difficulty is rising again, if this will continue to rise with 20% increase, it can double your bitcoin in DMS.SELLER in just 2 months.
887  Economy / Securities / Re: [BitFunder] AMC-The Official Active Mining Cooperative Discussion on: June 20, 2013, 12:23:45 PM
Best time to buy shares while price is still low. I'm buying more.
888  Economy / Securities / Re: ASICMINER: Entering the Future of ASIC Mining by Inventing It on: June 20, 2013, 11:06:12 AM
I'm trying to gather information, but it's a bit all over the place.

If I would like to buy shares, is it best to buy them directly of an auction?
Or should I buy at a place like this: https://btct.co/security/ASICMINER-PT
You can buy AM shares easily here bitfunder.com or at btct.co
Compare their prices
889  Economy / Securities / Re: [BitFunder] AMC-The Official Active Mining Cooperative Discussion on: June 20, 2013, 06:12:28 AM
[BITFUNDER] [AMC] [PAID] 40,000,000 @ ฿0.00000101

Nice, thanks!
890  Economy / Securities / Re: ASICMINER: Entering the Future of ASIC Mining by Inventing It on: June 20, 2013, 05:45:16 AM
Everyone ignore that hashrate! The dividend was less than last week... that means the shares are overpriced!! SELL SELL SELL!

(I didn't snag enough below BTC2.8 )
Yap, sell sell sell, so I can buy at lower price.
891  Economy / Securities / Re: [BitFunder] BTCINVEST - Low risk investment fund! on: June 20, 2013, 01:14:01 AM
I should have bought some last week while price was 0.19+
892  Economy / Securities / Re: [BTC-TC] Community Exchange w/ Options, DRIP, 2FA, API, CSV, etc. on: June 20, 2013, 01:07:17 AM
Facebook uses a persistant cookie to recognize the endpoint and shuts down the acccout (if enabled) till you confirm via the 2nd factor that it's actually a legit new machine. Google checks geo location and if it's way off, it proceeds with security questions. Via browser characteristics one can generate an almost unique fingerprint by using system fonts and plugins as input.

Thus logically, an attacker could bruteforce your PIN and change your email address on file.

You could create a delay between each failed login and double the delay duration for each additional fail. If you'd apply that on the normal login, someone evil could easily exploit the mechanism to lock someone else out, but I think for the PIN request it's fine anyway. And even a cap of a few seconds would kill brute force more or less.
+1
893  Economy / Securities / Re: ASICMINER: Entering the Future of ASIC Mining by Inventing It on: June 19, 2013, 03:49:46 PM
guys, just watch this address, that's where the mining revenue is sitting.
http://blockchain.info/address/115tTroRo3B9ZDQ6ATJGDCHcNEVbjJoZnF

The BTC value transferred is Less 20% compare to last week
894  Economy / Securities / Re: [BTC-TC] Deprived Mining Speculation (DMS) on: June 19, 2013, 09:50:11 AM
Difficulty is not rising much, if this will continue SELLER might not get any dividend in next adjustment.
895  Economy / Securities / Re: [BTC-TC] Community Exchange w/ Options, DRIP, 2FA, API, CSV, etc. on: June 18, 2013, 01:29:41 PM
My withdrawal does not have a fee, so it takes time again to add it to the block.
896  Economy / Securities / Re: [BTC-TC] Deprived Mining Speculation (DMS) on: June 18, 2013, 10:09:02 AM
DMS.MINING price is the lowest PMB compare to other mining offers.
0.0195 = 5MH/s or 0.0039 = 1MH/s
897  Economy / Securities / Re: [BTC-TC] Deprived Mining Speculation (DMS) on: June 17, 2013, 06:27:37 PM
Deprived, missing my new 100 PURCHASE transfer

2013-06-18 02:13:51   DMS.PURCHASE   transfer-out (DeprivedMining)   100
898  Economy / Securities / Re: [BTC-TC] Deprived Mining Speculation (DMS) on: June 17, 2013, 04:27:32 PM
Thanks Deprived for immediate transfer, earned a bit there.
899  Economy / Securities / Re: [BTC-TC] Deprived Mining Speculation (DMS) on: June 17, 2013, 03:43:18 PM
Deprived, When is the payment for SELLER dividend? any minute today or tomorrow?
900  Economy / Securities / Re: [ANN]BTCT:BFMINES - PMB - Escrow until operation start - Bonus divs first months on: June 17, 2013, 01:43:05 PM
This will be profitable, I hope it get accepted asap.
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