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921  Bitcoin / Bitcoin Discussion / Re: Blizzard Entertainment & Bitcoins on: July 10, 2011, 03:38:32 AM
Now let's compare that to buying a prepaid timecard in a physical supermarket. Pretend you're the CFO going to pitch the adoption of a timecard system.

Everyone knows what a timecard is.  No one knows what a bitcoin is.  See the difference?

Timecard? Never heard of that.


A timecard is something that some hourly workers  had to stick in a calibrated clock at the start of end of their shifts to get paid.
922  Bitcoin / Bitcoin Discussion / Re: Blizzard Entertainment & Bitcoins on: July 09, 2011, 05:48:28 PM

Why should they accept bitcoins?  Aside from you just wanting them to, that is.  Who is unable to pay them in a currency they accept but who would pay them in pretend internet coins?  Do even five of those people exist?

You're right in your first post, this is a complete waste of your time.  But that's not an uncommon theme with bitcoiners.

Actually given how kids are shut out of a lot of net commerce due to not being able to get a credit card and such,  but may just have a decent graphics card for games and time and knowledge to figure things out, I bet the number that would do this is far more then you would suspect.   It also is smart marketing to get kids used to bitcoins and the idea they have value.
923  Bitcoin / Bitcoin Discussion / Re: Blizzard Entertainment & Bitcoins on: July 09, 2011, 05:41:07 PM
Best bet would probably be to attend blizconn with lots of propaganda and get some buzz going about bitcoin while there.  It would also give you a chance to mingle with some people that probably could get things done.  In the meanwhile,   best route seem to be to convert bc to amazon gc then buy a timecard, if your short term goal is to be able to pay for wow time with bc.
924  Economy / Goods / Re: Foxconn A7DA-S 3.0 AM3 AMD 790GX HDMI ATX AMD Motherboard on: July 08, 2011, 10:36:06 PM
Flash it's BIOS with the custom file only distributed by the FOXCONN tech's This will fix the 40°C bug, Aswell as unlock many feautres on the board.

(y'know just incase you had a bad experiance with the board just like i did)

So where would someone find this better bios?
925  Economy / Marketplace / Re: List of honest traders. on: July 08, 2011, 08:44:58 PM
+1 twobits, thanks for gta  Grin

+1 beezm, enjoy
926  Bitcoin / Bitcoin Discussion / Re: Bitcoin is actually slower than my bank? on: July 08, 2011, 04:24:25 AM
The router is a dynalink - not sure what the model number is - various stickers on the bottom with 20 digit numbers that are too small to read.

I did have the same problem with the vodafone dongle, and I don't have the problem if I run the client under Wine - so I'd be mildly surprised if it was the router.


As I can get Bitcoin to run under Wine then... fine.


Which version did you run under wine though?  If it was newer then .21 then it actually indicates that the issue is your routers and port forwarding set up.   Just the upnp added to the newer clients did work to work as intended to help fix that case.

Vodofone is a celluar connection right?  They are sometimes highly filtered on 'odd' ports, so does not really tell us much unless you are sure that is not the case for your service.

Since running it under wine works for you , seems you have your way to work with it for now.
927  Bitcoin / Bitcoin Discussion / Re: Someone Random Trademarked "bitcoin" : Now we can't use the term? on: July 08, 2011, 03:50:44 AM
Any examples?  Or links to examples?

Forget if it was the courts or an arbitration panel, but Canadian Tire sued for the Crappytire.ca domain name. The original domain holder had a parody site complaining about crappy goods he bought at Canadian Tire.
Code:
Domain name:           crappytire.ca
Domain status:         registered
Creation date:         2000/10/11
Expiry date:           2016/07/06
Updated date:          2011/06/14

Registrar:
    Name:              Webnames.ca Inc.
    Number:            70

Registrant:
    Name:              Canadian Tire Corporation, Limited

Administrative contact:
    Name:              DNSadmin CTC
    Postal address:    8550 Goreway Dr.
                       Brampton ON L6T5J8 Canada
    Phone:             +1.4164803000x



Hmmm... does Canada not protect the protest sites and parody sites like the US law does?Or did the owner not put in any response? If you don't defend yourself , you will almost always lose.

In any case, while an interesting topic, maybe we should move this part of it to another thread and let this get back to the bitcoin trademark issue itself.
928  Bitcoin / Bitcoin Discussion / Re: Bitcoin is actually slower than my bank? on: July 08, 2011, 03:42:33 AM


What I was referring to was the exchange rate between Bitcoin and whatever your native currency is. As adoption becomes broader this will inevitably drive up the exchange rate. It may seem fiddly until you learn how to use the different parts of the 'ecosystem' such as the client, as you have observed. And this naturally limits the rate of adoption at this time. The rate of Bitcoin creation will not go any faster as adoption picks up... That has nothing to to with client or node software being open source. Sorry, I thought it was clear.


This doesn't make any sense.  If a shirt costs $15, then it costs 1 BTC right now.  If BTC goes to $30, then the shirt costs 0.5 BTC, or else I'm paying in $, not BTC.

The "cost" to use bitcoin is the time and effort it takes to understand how to use bitcoin.  This cost needs to come down, not go up.

Actually if you are floating the bit coin rate based on the dollar rate, you are effectivly paying in $ not BTC, you have that reversed.    In any case, it now costs you more shirts to get a btc, so in effect getting a btc costs you more either way if you are floating it based on the $ exchange rate.

929  Bitcoin / Bitcoin Discussion / Re: Bitcoin is actually slower than my bank? on: July 08, 2011, 03:38:00 AM

Know what I am? I'm a legit, white-economy merchant. http://www.goldenmeancalipers.com

I'm one of the people that you badly need to legitimise this currency - and I've done my best to evangelise it - take a look at my bitcoin page

http://www.goldenmeancalipers.com/bitcoins/ ( I've changed the last line to prove that it's my site. )


Ok?


And my attitude is one that you get from someone who's been banging their head against a brick wall for the last 3 hours.


re: "When it is easy for 90% of the population you will have to pay a hell of a lot more."

err... sorry? How is that? I thought this was open-source?


What is a white-economy merchant?  

For what it is worth, you are an early adaptor yet.  It is a 0.3.x software, which means it is not considered ready for the masses.  One of the features to help with this is in the 0.3.21 and later versions, so it does not help you are running a version without the feature to try and help with this issue (which is a router networking issue and not a bitcoin issue per say, it just manifests itself with bitcoin for you).  A year from now these issues should be gone.  There is also a lot of routers still out  there that do not do a good job with NAT.   Maybe it can be fixed with a firmware update, or hard setting the port forwarding for now or maybe not, depends on your exact router being used.

They meant the price of bitcoins will likely go up, as more people are able to learn about them and use them.
A year from now hopefully you will also be very glad to have learned about it as an early user.

930  Bitcoin / Bitcoin Discussion / Re: Bitcoin is actually slower than my bank? on: July 08, 2011, 03:31:42 AM


This is kindof a pain in the arse though - it has managed to download 133905 blocks. It's just jamming up now for reasons I know not.

What is your routers make and model number?
931  Bitcoin / Bitcoin Discussion / Re: Bitcoin is actually slower than my bank? on: July 08, 2011, 03:30:37 AM
Try -upnp

Just for giggles.

That requires that he use at least the .21 client.

932  Bitcoin / Bitcoin Discussion / Re: Someone Random Trademarked "bitcoin" : Now we can't use the term? on: July 08, 2011, 12:08:59 AM
Well, sure, I could easily do it myself, if I even had the slightest clue what the name of the arbitration panel was or where their history of resolutions is kept.

Can anyone appeal the arbitration result?  Can it be brought to a court of law to fight further?

I actually already said before,  it is a wipo panel (usually).  

I don't know the current terms,  that was in flux at the time I got out of domaining.   Should be in the registration  agreement though, if you have agreed to binding arbitration or not.    Last I looked,  it had not been made binding yet but that was 5 years back now.

Edit: Does look like the right to contest the decision in court is present though it needs to be done quickly to prevent the transfer of the domain from already being done.  For the fan sites btw, they are often considered commerical sites if they display any ads or charge memberships etc, they have a much better chance of winning if they avoid any attempts to monetarize their traffic.
933  Bitcoin / Bitcoin Discussion / Re: Someone Random Trademarked "bitcoin" : Now we can't use the term? on: July 08, 2011, 12:02:37 AM
No one with a domain name aside from bitcoin.xxx should worry.  There are plenty of trademarked names used in URL's all over the place.

For example, the Gears of War 2 forum.
http://www.gearsofwar2forums.com/

Gears of War is a trademarked name, yet it is being used in a URL by a 3rd party.  This is allowed.

Cybersquatting could come in to play with a domain like bitcoin.com.  Even bitcoin.org should be fine though, as it is an established site and doesn't "look" like an intended cyber squat.  The laws regarding trademarks and URLs are only meant to protect companies who are basically being bribed to use the domain name that should rightfully be theirs.

Fan sites are usually explicitly allowed in the ToS  of games,   and they usually do reserve the right to tell them to c&d if the ToS is not met.   Really depends on what the content of the sites are too.  While an obvious cyber squatting site is an almost sure loss in the arbitration, it is not the only way to lose.   While that was the intent as to why the rules got put in place, like most things they can be strectched beyone that if the attacked party does not have resources to defend themselves.   The fact a domain has more words in it then just bitcoin would not be a sure defence.
Any instances of this actually holding up in court?  As in, a company successfully took down a domain name of someone for a reason other than cyber squatting, or due to ToS, etc?  I mean, you don't have to accept any ToS to create a domain name, so I'm not sure how that applies...

I agree it is not a sure defense (what defense is, really?), but unless there are instances of courts seizing domain names for a reason other than cybersquatting, I am not worried.
It is not a court, it is an arbitration panel.  And yes.
Any examples?  Or links to examples?

I am sure I can dig them up,  used to keep track of this stuff a lot more 5-6 years ago.  If you really want me to dig out my old research and links to exact cases,  I can do so, but will want a btc fee for doing that much work that you could easily do yourself. If you look in some of the archives of the domain name forums when this was first put into place, you will find some posts about some cases of what at the time was called reverse  where the tm holders got domains being used for completely different purposes pulled because individuals still had not figured out how to work the system  to defend.
934  Bitcoin / Bitcoin Discussion / Re: Someone Random Trademarked "bitcoin" : Now we can't use the term? on: July 07, 2011, 11:59:35 PM
No one with a domain name aside from bitcoin.xxx should worry.  There are plenty of trademarked names used in URL's all over the place.

For example, the Gears of War 2 forum.
http://www.gearsofwar2forums.com/

Gears of War is a trademarked name, yet it is being used in a URL by a 3rd party.  This is allowed.

Cybersquatting could come in to play with a domain like bitcoin.com.  Even bitcoin.org should be fine though, as it is an established site and doesn't "look" like an intended cyber squat.  The laws regarding trademarks and URLs are only meant to protect companies who are basically being bribed to use the domain name that should rightfully be theirs.

Fan sites are usually explicitly allowed in the ToS  of games,   and they usually do reserve the right to tell them to c&d if the ToS is not met.   Really depends on what the content of the sites are too.  While an obvious cyber squatting site is an almost sure loss in the arbitration, it is not the only way to lose.   While that was the intent as to why the rules got put in place, like most things they can be strectched beyone that if the attacked party does not have resources to defend themselves.   The fact a domain has more words in it then just bitcoin would not be a sure defence.
Any instances of this actually holding up in court?  As in, a company successfully took down a domain name of someone for a reason other than cyber squatting, or due to ToS, etc?  I mean, you don't have to accept any ToS to create a domain name, so I'm not sure how that applies...

I agree it is not a sure defense (what defense is, really?), but unless there are instances of courts seizing domain names for a reason other than cybersquatting, I am not worried.

It is not a court, it is an arbitration panel.  And yes.


You also do indeed, accept an agreement when you register domains,  it requires you to keep up to date whois information and agree to accept this arbitration panel among other things.

935  Bitcoin / Bitcoin Discussion / Re: Bitcoin is actually slower than my bank? on: July 07, 2011, 11:58:09 PM
Ah... and now the nightmares start. Anyone know what to do about this - I'm running ubuntu 9.10

/lib/libc.so.6: version `GLIBC_2.11' not found (required by /home/nick/bitcoin-0.3.23/bin/64/bitcoin)


Build from source so it is build using the libraries you have, or install the version of the libraries it is build against.
936  Bitcoin / Bitcoin Discussion / Re: Bitcoin is actually slower than my bank? on: July 07, 2011, 11:56:20 PM
Nope - not mining


re: downloading all blocks... that'll be why. My client says "133901", Bitcoin charts says 135218.

It claims to have one connection - oop... now it's zero... now it's one again. The 133901 appears not to change... no... I lie, after about 5 minutes, it's gone up to 133902

Now it has two connections and it's gone up to 133903.


So... 135218-133903=1315 ... at about 12 blocks downloaded an hour - that comes to about 4.5 days... about the time it would take to send money in cash, by plane.


Down to zero connections again.

I've got client version .3.17 - do I need to upgrade it or something?

Seems you are behind a nat router?  You need to either map the ports, or if it supports upnp , turn that on.  You probably need a newer version to have that option.
937  Bitcoin / Bitcoin Discussion / Re: Someone Random Trademarked "bitcoin" : Now we can't use the term? on: July 07, 2011, 11:49:55 PM
No one with a domain name aside from bitcoin.xxx should worry.  There are plenty of trademarked names used in URL's all over the place.

For example, the Gears of War 2 forum.
http://www.gearsofwar2forums.com/

Gears of War is a trademarked name, yet it is being used in a URL by a 3rd party.  This is allowed.

Ah yes of course you're right... just like http://paypalsucks.com/


Actually parody and protest sites are carved out special exceptions that do not apply in other uses.

But since of course he is right,  I think it is getting to be time to bow out of this thread for now.

938  Bitcoin / Bitcoin Discussion / Re: Someone Random Trademarked "bitcoin" : Now we can't use the term? on: July 07, 2011, 11:26:56 PM
No one with a domain name aside from bitcoin.xxx should worry.  There are plenty of trademarked names used in URL's all over the place.

For example, the Gears of War 2 forum.
http://www.gearsofwar2forums.com/

Gears of War is a trademarked name, yet it is being used in a URL by a 3rd party.  This is allowed.

Cybersquatting could come in to play with a domain like bitcoin.com.  Even bitcoin.org should be fine though, as it is an established site and doesn't "look" like an intended cyber squat.  The laws regarding trademarks and URLs are only meant to protect companies who are basically being bribed to use the domain name that should rightfully be theirs.

Fan sites are usually explicitly allowed in the ToS  of games,   and they usually do reserve the right to tell them to c&d if the ToS is not met.   Really depends on what the content of the sites are too.  While an obvious cyber squatting site is an almost sure loss in the arbitration, it is not the only way to lose.   While that was the intent as to why the rules got put in place, like most things they can be strectched beyone that if the attacked party does not have resources to defend themselves.   The fact a domain has more words in it then just bitcoin would not be a sure defence.

939  Bitcoin / Bitcoin Discussion / Re: Someone Random Trademarked "bitcoin" : Now we can't use the term? on: July 07, 2011, 11:09:30 PM
I sure do have quantity (bitcoinbabes.com, bitcoindouble.com, bitcoinbalance.com, bitcoinsafety.com, bitcoinsecurity.com, etc, etc.).
wait you own bitcoin balance?

Yep.

Great news for me if this guy really is giving up in the US.



Not really, just yet,  for WIPO to hear the domain disputes , he only needs to get the tm in any of the signatory countries.
940  Bitcoin / Bitcoin Discussion / Re: Someone Random Trademarked "bitcoin" : Now we can't use the term? on: July 07, 2011, 07:23:31 PM
Found this about Japanese tm law:


Quote
However, any person or business that has been using a trade mark in Japan that is identical or similar to a registered trade mark prior to the application date of the registered trade mark is allowed to continue to use the mark, assuming the mark has become well-known.

So it seems he can't sue existing users, but could  stop new users.
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