OK, if you were in control of the hashing algorithm used by Bitcoin, which one would you use and why?
I would use one that was not the product of the nsa, for reasons already given. Which one? Give a concrete answer. Also, please describe in detail exactly what you mean by a "broken" secure hash algorithm? What, specifically, would be able to be done with the broken hash algorithm? I other words, given that the NSA has some sort of "back door" into the hashing algorithm, what would they be able to do with this back door? In what way could they harm Bitcoin with it? **** Is it not enough that I do not want to use an algorithm that was developed for and promoted by an intelligence gathering agency that for decades has used its data mainly for overseas repression? I am not a cryptographer. I am a person who does not want to support cryptography that will be used to target innocent people. Are there really no options other than using an nsa algorithm? **** Is the mystery really why I do not support using an nsa algorithm? Or is the mystery why so many of you do? |
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OK, if you were in control of the hashing algorithm used by Bitcoin, which one would you use and why?
I would use one that was not the product of the nsa, for reasons already given. Which one? Give a concrete answer. That is another example of the fallacies being used to defend sha in bitcoin. Is it not enough that I do not want to use an algorithm that was developed for and promoted by an intelligence gathering agency that for decades has used its data mainly for overseas repression? I am not a cryptographer. I am a person who does not want to support cryptography that will be used to target innocent people. Are there really no options other than using an nsa algorithm?  |
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This is a basic question about bitcoin security that I don't see answered adequately.
I'm not an expert in anything, so it is possible I am missing the obvious, but would still like an answer.
The bitcoin private key is a 256 bit number that contains a numerical address and a key to decrypt numerical messages sent to that address.
The number of key is quite high. The security of the bitcoin system seems to be based on the difficulty of using a public address to work backwords and find the private key. But there seems to be an obvious proof that shows that to be flawed.
In order to show that the current bitcoin key system is flawed, all that a person would need to do is show that there was a correlation between the relative position of a private key and the relative position of its corresponding public address.
In other words, if you took the lowest possible private key, a 256 bit number starting with 00000... etc, and the highest possible private key, a 256 bit number starting with 11111... etc, and you were able to show that the two public addresses for those keys formed hard boundaries, i.e., that all bitcoin public addresses fell between those two numbers in some mathematical formula or progression, then you would be showing that an accessible formula existed to work backwords from the public adrress to the private key.
The obvious question then, does some formula or progression exist that could put bitcoin addresses in sequence? Any set of numbers that are derived from another set of numbers ultimately can be ordered in the same sequence as the original set. Therefore it seems that the "security" of the cryptography used in bitcoin would come not from the size of the number set but rather from the computational difficulty of converting private key to public address or vice versa. Since in bitcoin the conversion in one direction, i.e., private key to public address, requires little effort, there is really no security once a formula or progression rule for addresses is discovered. And such a fomula or progression is easily findable by anyone with a little skill in that kind of thing.
... Is that accurate?
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First of 5 Esar Met confession videos. http://www.liveleak.com/view?i=448_1416957293 Here is a rough outline of the 'confession'. The young man who confessed is now serving life without parole. Detective asks if he goes by "Esar Met" or "Samad" and he says "Samad". Apparently that is the name he goes by, maybe a nickname. Media reports suggest he was giving a false name, but he was just giving his name. FBI agent says " You obviously know why you're here". Met seems a little confused and sort of agrees. Shortly after, he is asked again and indicates he is not sure why he is there. FBI agent lists some evidence and says "you were very sloppy". In a later part of the confession the police ask what happened to the blanket and sheets from the bed. Apparently they were used to move the body and the killer threw them away. Met responds something like " I fold the blanket in the morning when I wake up". Again Met says to the translator "what is it that the police want?". Miranda rights are explained by the translator at the rate of about 1 English word equals 5 Burmese words. In a later hearing the translator acknowledged telling Esar Met that if he didn't confess it would take a long time. At the end of a confusing back and forth about his 'rights' Met says "It is cold." Some reports suggest he may be mildly retarded. In his first lengthy statement, Met says he played with the girl and gave her rides on a bicycle. He says he did not know she was dead. He says his uncle called and asked him to fix a bicycle tire. A friend helped him buy glue or tire sealant. He seems to say that he knows the name of the person who helped him buy the glue, but the FBI agent cuts him off and redirects to getting a confession rather than first getting information. At no point in media articles does it appear anyone tried to verify that his visit to his uncle was planned. Instead he is portrayed as " fleeing", when in truth it appears he just left on a planned visit to help his uncle. If someone did buy the glue then it proves the visit was planned and that at least one person in the apartment complex knew he would be gone. It also strongly indicates he left the apartment complex too early to be the killer. He had just arrived in the U.S., had never been to his uncle's and apparently met with his uncle somewhere on the bus route he knew, so his uncle could show him where he lived. The aunt was not aware of the visit but in that society it would not be unusual for the uncle to invite male family without specifically mentioning it. The FBI agent starts asking if Met thought the girl was "beautiful". Met says he considered her like a sister. The translator condescends politely a bit to the FBI agent, suggesting the FBI agent is overdoing it. From then the FBI agent starts treating the translator with impatience. This is meaningful later. The FBI agent insists Hser Ner Moo came to Met's house. Met agrees. He says three children came to his apartment, probably watching tv. The FBI agent keeps insisting Met killed the child. Met is trying to appease the FBI agent. Met says again " It is not possible". Met is trying to agree with the police and finally says Hser came by around 9 am. But she was home until 2 pm, so obviously Met is just trying to appease the FBI agent. The FBI agent then says "did she come back around 2pm?" and he agrees. The FBI agent asks how long she stayed and Met says "about three hours". But the latest Met could have left his apartment was about an hour after Hser disappeared, and it is likely he left earlier. At this point the FBI agent realizes that he can get Met to confess to anything, the challenge will simply be to make the confession believable. Later Met says that when he was at his uncle's house someone called looking for the girl. He says he was not worried because the apartment complex is a limited area and the child probably just wandered off a bit. The FBI agent continues with questions like "Did you mean to kill her". Again and again the FBI agent gets angry and says " don't lie" and says the one good thing Met can do is help the family get closure. The FBI agent tries to cut off all conversation from Met that is not a confession. At this point the translator is intimidated by the FBI agent and also starts agreeing with him, even when he clearly does not agree. This video was 30 minutes and 3 seconds. So far there is no indication Met is going to confess, except for the unwillingness of the FBI agent to accept any words from him that are not a confession. Met is fairly small. The FBI agent, somewhat healthier physically, repeatedly leans into him and clearly is trying to intimidate Met into going along with what the FBI agent wants. The police and FBI do not want the investigation reopened. Their reputations hinge on Hser Ner Moo being dead within an hour of disappearance. If someone else killed her then she may have still been alive while authorities were debating whether to issue an amber alert. There is some indication, from the fact that when she was found after 29 hours rigor mortis had not yet begun to recede, that she may have been alive much more than one hour after disappearing. Esar Met's roommates were also interviewed here and here and here. One of the interviews involves a mysterious 6th person who was in the apartment. He claims he walked through the police barrier at the crime scene after the body was found and was there to study English with one of the roommates. The FBI agent who got Met to confess conducted two of the six interviews. The one with Met and the one with the 6th person. The last time Met was reliably seen at the apartment complex was about an hour before the girl disappeared. The last possible time he could have left and then arrived at the latest possible estimate of when he got to his uncle's, was an hour after the girl disappeared. More details at https://bitcointalk.org/index.php?topic=841949.msg9395452#msg9395452Any suggestions? |
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For a quick intro view http://www.liveleak.com/view?i=285_1418952250 (four short clips, a minute or two each). For all of the videos, visit http://www.liveleak.com/c/FleaSpiritOn March 31, 2008 Hser Ner Moo, a 7 year old Utah girl, was murdered.  Hours after the body was found, po!ice had a suspect and a full confession. They said an older neighbor boy, with whom she had been friendly, abused, tortured and killed her. ~On May 14, 2014 Esar Met was sentenced to life in prison without the chance of parole~ But is he actually guilty? His confession was enough for most people, even though almost nobody had actually seen it. Esar Met's roommates were also interviewed, police summaries here and here and here. A written summary of the first part of the confession is hereWarning. Some of the material is offensive.Please compare the confession to the prosecutor's closing statement at trial, that Hser was "sexually assaulted, repeatedly beaten, strangled, had her arm bent and broken, and ultimately killed by a massive blow or blows to her chest," Those injuries did occur. And Met did confess. But something doesn't add up. The translator also seems to be doing a lot more than simply translating. Can you figure it out? LiveLeak YouTube Part 1 (30 minutes) liveleak.com or youtube.comPart 2 (32 minutes) liveleak.com or youtube.comPart 3 (25 minutes) liveleak.com or youtube.comPart 4 (30 minutes) liveleak.com or youtube.comPart 5 (23 minutes) liveleak.com or youtube.comFalse confessions are a serious problem in America. - - - - Please look at the evidence carefully.Each item used to convict Mr Met is not quite as it seems at first glance.In both cases the suspects have been expertly managed, so the appearance of guilt can be maintained. Esar Met admits his confession was false. But nobody outside the court system had seen his confession til now.
Craig Gregerson has refused to discuss the case and his confession, saying only that he believes pornography is bad and he is sorry for what he did. He has expressed excitement about prison, believing it will allow him to get a good education.Each suspect has limited education and possible developmental issues. Esar Met has been described as possibly retarded.~Two murders in two years. In the same Salt Lake neighborhood~ Both victims very small children, ages 5 and 7. Both cases involved massive searches with hundreds of people and police conducting door to door searches. Both bodies were eventually found about 100 feet from where the children lived, in the basements of neighbors. Both involved extremely unusual acts of violence. Both bodies found in or near large plastic bags.  Two people arrested. Both confessed to FBI interrogators. The focus here is on Esar Met, because his confession is available, but here are some basics of both cases. July 16, 2006. Destiny Norton, 5 years old, disappears in a fenced area used as a yard by several neighbors.At the time, it was claimed all of the houses had been searched repeatedly, including with a speciallly trained dog. After the body was found inside two plastic bags that were placed in a plastic storage container, the FBI claimed that Gregerson had consented to a search of his home but when an agent had smelled something dead Gregerson had said it was dead rats, so the agents did not pursue the search into the basement. Aside from the FBI version contradicting witness statements it also make not a bit of sense. If an FBI agent smelled something dead in the home of the neighbor of a girl who had been missing for a week he would have been given a search warrant instantly. There are many statements the FBI has put out in this case that seem very improbable. Also, witnesses claim the FBI did search the entire house more than once. Numerous people were brought in for polygraphs while Destiny Norton was missing. The polygraph operator wrote a book about his experiences in the case, called Heaven's Hammer. In the book he indicates that he felt Gregerson was guilty and that it was his duty to get him to confess. A video camera was in place and other interviews this FBI agent conducted that day were videotaped but he did not videotape this one. After reading the snippets of confession in the book, it is clear why. The FBI agent managed to obtain a written confession from Gregerson, detailing over two pages of his account of what was done. The confession is in Gregerson's handwriting. However it contains legalistic expressions that Gregerson would not be aware of and other strong indications that the words are not Gregerson's. The confession has never been made public, except for brief excerpts published in the FBI agent's book, much of it information that was later left out of reports about the crime. The details of the injuries to Destiny Norton are not known. That material was withheld initially to avoid tainting a jury and no details were released after Gregerson agreed to a guilty plea in order to avoid the death penalty. During the search for Destiny Norton there was significant criticism of how the police and FBI handled the investigation. When the body was found more than a week later, about a hundred feet from where she disappeared, there was more. The FBI said that Gregerson had never consented to a search of his basement. But neighbor Dylan Wood said he watched as police searched his and Gregerson's apartments, just after Destiny vanished. They were questioned by FBI agents. "We're sitting out here at the picnic table talking with him and the federal marshals and everything," he said. "We all filled out questionnaires together." March 30, 2008, Hser Ner Moo, 7 years old, disappears about 15 blocks from where Destiny Norton disappeared.Police and FBI agents searched every single apartment in the building complex over the next 24 hours. Except one, where no one seemed to be home. When the body was found in the basement of that apartment, near a large bloody plastic bag, another wave of public anger hit authorities. But authorities were quick to pacify the public by announcing that they had caught a suspect and he had confessed. In the fifth video above, near the end, you can see a man come into the confession room and announce he needs photos A.S.A.P. and he needs to get them printed. Newspaper print deadlines were only minutes away.
Unlike the Destiny Norton case, this time the police were not able to keep all of the evidence under wraps.
There was a huge amount of forensic evidence collected in Hser Ner Moo's murder. Fingerprints. DNA. A bloody plastic bag found near the body. And much more.
Almost none of it was used. In fact most of it seems to have disappeared. So what evidence was used to convict Met?
Esar Met was known for giving bicycle rides and piggyback rides to neighbor children. In the days before she died, Hser Ner Moo had a cut on her finger. Apparently 4 drops of that blood fell onto the back of Esar Met's jacket. The crime scene was a bloodbath and the killer left a bloody footprint. He would have been fairly covered with blood. The only blood evidence that could be found involving mr Met were those four drops, arranged in a linear pattern, as with gravity, on the back of his jacket.
Blood evidence not used at trial included a sample of the victim's blood from the crime scene mixed with a small amount of the blood of an unknown male, not mr Met.
Under Hser Ner Moo's fingernails were microscopic skin cell traces, DNA, from a number of people she had contact with before she died, including her family members and Esar Met. This was the second and last piece of DNA evidence used to convict Esar Met.
But when Hser Ner Moo was found she was clutching a handful of hair she had ripped out of her attacker. It's a pretty safe bet there were some roots in that hair that could be tested. But that material ~vanished~
A small amount of DNA from a rape kit swab was also deemed unsuitable for testing.
In the confession, above, Esar Met repeatedly insists that he did not even know the child was dead. But with a little help from the FBI agent he eventually comes around.
He admits that Hser Ner Moo stopped by his apartment around 9am.
But wait.
She had been home all morning and did not disappear until around 2pm.
So the FBI agent reminds him that she came back to his apartment around 2pm.
Now it looks like the confession is on track. The FBI agent asks him how long she was there and Met says a few hours.
But wait.
It is known that the latest Met could have left to go to visit his uncle was an hour after the little girl disappeared.
And on and on.
Met is trying to create a confession that he thinks will satisfy the FBI agent but he is getting the details wrong until the FBI agent tells him what to say. He is taking events from the previous few weeks that really did happen, like Hser watching tv there, and weaving them into a story.
In his closing statement to the jury, the prosecutor was graphic.
Then he said "Use your own common sense, and try not to get too caught up in little details that would make you miss the forest through individual trees... A doubt is not reasonable if it's based on purely speculation or remote possibility.... Don't get caught up in the little details that are not important or significant in this case... When the defense suggests there should be witnesses, that's ridiculous."
No one really expects witnesses. Only evidence.
Is there an explanation for the sloppy police work?
There are a few explanations. Here is one.
After Hser Ner Moo's body was found a medical technician checked her. He said she was completely stiff, rigor mortis had not yet begun to recede.
It is likely that she was still alive when the police started searching, long after Esar Met had left to visit family.
She may even have still been alive well into the night. That's the simple truth.
The police and FBI were under a lot of pressure. Two very small dead children in two years. A lot of serious mistakes made in the first few hours.
They needed a quick confession and they got it.
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Six videotaped interviews were done that night. The four roommates, an unknown 5th person and Esar Met.
They are a mix of inconsistencies and absurdities.
One of the roommates came home about an hour eartlier than the others that day, about 4 pm. He says the four of them watched music videos til 9 pm.
Another was asked if he knew why they were being questioned and he said maybe because one of the roommates spit something on the carpet, betel juice, that looks like blood. In fact the stain was blood, it would be learned later.
One says he knew the girl was missing but didn't want to check the basement.
Another didn't know anything about Hser Ner Moo being missing.
The police had set up a perimeter around the apartments on the night of the first. Through that night and the next day the only apartment where no one answered the door was the apartment where the four roommates were, where the body was.
Esar Met was miles away, visiting family.
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Previously I had been looking for proof that Esar Met was guilty of one of the worst crimes in recent Utah history. https://bitcointalk.org/index.php?topic=638161.0Now I just want to be part of the crowd that sees his guilt and understands it's obviousness. I am a strict law and order person. I think people need to be locked up if they might be guilty of a crime. He probably got what he deserved. He will spend the rest of his life in prison, getting ass fucked by Charles Manson every night until he looks at some skinhead the wrong way and gets shanked, then goes to eternal damnation. It is important for Americans to support police and other authorities who take proactive approahes to crime. Look at Albuqerque, where police have taken the initiative to solve the problems of homelessness and mental illness in their own special way. If the pork in more cities would take bold steps like that crime would be a thing of the past. This bounty is for simply stating which of the many, many pieces of evidence against Esar Met you personally think is most strong. I'll list some of the possible choices but you are free to find another piece of evidence I overlooked. 1) DNA. The prosecutor says dna proves Met attacked, tortured, raped and killed the victim. The dna evidence is some small drops of blood on the back of Mr Met's jacket belonging to the victim, and microscopic traces of skin cells from Mr Met under the child's fingernails. 2) The confession. Mr Met Confessed to the crime, apparently once he first was granted the basic right every refugee in America is granted, of speaking to an interpreter. Once he confessed all of the other suspects were released from custody and justice marched triumphantly along. 3) The location of the body. The body of the victim was found in an area of the apartment used mainly by Mr Met. Although there may have been evidence the child was killed elsewhere, the actual body was discovered there. 4) The time of death. Although the child died of a long list of acts of extreme violence, including strangulation, and since time of death can be fixed quite precisely when the victim is found within a day or so, we can say the child was at least dying when Mr Met is known to have left the apartment. The actual death probably did not occur until after at least one of his roommates returned, but the victim may have died some time after being strangled to death, which would put Mr Met squarely at the crime scene in the exact time frame when the victim was dying. 5) Psychological evidence. Analytical psychology, the understanding of things like the shadow archetype, help us understand that sometimes there is not enough actual real evidence to convict dusky colored hillbilly types, even when we know they are guilty, so we just have to go with the flow and trust the experts. You can select any of these pieces of proof or you can look for a new one, but please at least have some familiarity with the case, read a few of the news articles and include a hobonickels address. The first 19 posters will be paid. |
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Updated. The original bounty on this thread is finished. Now I'll pay 20 hbn to each person who is first to bring to my attention any error of fact I made in my posts. I know I've made several, incuding the number of roommates and the fact that Met's shower area may not have been a common area used by all roommates. The first post that points out an error is paid. In addition there is still a 200hbn bounty for anyone who finds real evidence in any of the news articles that shows Met is. guilty. There is a fairly high standard for this proof, it cannot just be "it seems possible he might have done it". The main proof I am aware of is posted on the bounty thread at https://bitcointalk.org/index.php?topic=645898.0 The bounty is for adding something meaningful to the discussion, not for whining about the standard of proof the bounty requires. *** A fellow recently was sentenced to life in prison without the chance of parole for an extremely violent murder of a young child. The bounty is for anyone who can explain the evidence against this person in a way that will help me understand that he is guilty beyond a reasonable shadow of a doubt. I will pay the bounty to the best answer and will pay it to someone even if no one can find a reasonable answer. A hundred hobonickels isn't much, about ten us dollars, not sure how much it is in european pesos or any others. The person is Esar Met and here is a start on looking for the evidence that convinced the judge and jury he was guilty. He is a Burmese refuggee who speaks no English. He was living with three other refugees in Utah. He was friendly with a neighbor's child, who was later violently murdered. The forensic people said the violence of the attack was extreme. He used to give piggyback rides to the victim and other children, called 'elephant rides'by Burmese. The victim had a cut on her finger at some point, the parent's of the victim said, and it seems likely some of the blood from this cut got on the back of Mr Met's jacket. Additionally there were microscopic traces of dna from Mr Met under the fingernails of the child. This seems more consistent with horseplay than violence. Most people will have microscopic traces of dna under their nails of people they have been in close physical contact with. Other evidence seems even weaker, but as I said, anyone who simply trirs to help me understand the evidence that convinced the judge and jury is eligible for the bounty. edit to add This bounty has finished. add https://bitcointalk.org/index.php?topic=841949.msg9395452#msg9395452 |
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