So today you can but it ion at 20 cents or swap for 8 xpy currently worth 12 cents (1.5 cents *  What does the panel think ion will be worth when it is publicly traded a) 20 cents b) 25 cents (price you have to buy ion for at end of floatation) c) 12 cents d) You've been gawtawed mugggles. Thanks for buying the premined coins lols. I'm guessing this falls apart before the actual coin gets created, never mind trading hits some other sort of market. |
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So team xpy or whatever are now saying they're giving up on xpy and going to concentrate on their new coin, ion.
Ion is going through a public offering for the next 6 weeks, starting at 20 cents and rising a cent a week, gota get in quick or pay more next week lol.
Anyway, cos ion people are so lovingly kind they are going to let you convert as much xpy as you want to Ion at a fixed rate of 8 to 1. Since this processes has started xpy is being sold of big time and we have seen new lows today and yesterday.
Is it
a) people losing faith in xpy and are selling. I doubt it cos they've had ages to do it.
b) people are converting xpy to ion. Since xpy is now at 1.65 cents then converting 8 for 1 ion means you are paying 13 cents for 1 ion which looks very cheap compared to buying at 20 cents. Hell, nothing to stop you buying xpy and then converting to ion and making a killing right???
I think the latter is very much happening, look at the volume being bought and sold last few days, def lots of activity.
Looks like lots of people swapping xpy for ion, but the scammers running ion are then selling this xpy to get btc/usd. What a great way to get hold of xpy and maintain a market for it cos people are enticed to buy xpy still cos they can exchange it for ion which must be worth almost double cos it will cost 25 cents in 6 weeks lol.
Anyone see what a great idea these scam monkeys have come up with.
Oh, and if you need any further convincing then perhaps you'll be interested to know MrCoins says it has unlimited potential. Say no more!
Whats with these retards and Josh Garza copying. Lets take a look - ISO or initial staker offering... hey its like Garzas ICO or initial coin offering.. its totally not an IPO so we are safe we changed a letter - trading xpy 8:1 for ion... its totally not hash point conversion to paycoin  we are doing this to help people you our preferred customers - the ISO is 0.20c each start... its totally not going to be a 20 something floor.. we know garza said $20 floor but we can do 20 cent floor. They don't even change the numbers haha.... They feel that if they were stupid enough to fall for Garza, and people were stupid enough to fall for whatever horseshit they've been doing since Garza took off, there must be some people stupid enough to fall for this again. |
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I have been considering creating a token on counterparty, or NEM, or maybe even creating an Alt, though an alt would increase costs. Considering the investors will be receiving the product as pay/benefit instead of cash, would this still be a security?
What is the best way to go about it outside of startjoin.com, banktothefuture.com or swarm.fund which seems to have apoptosed?
Most of the idiots on this forum have no clue what they're doing or talking about Re: Investing and wouldn't know a good pitch if it hit them in the face. Do what you want to do and the right people will find you if you announce it. Simple as that. There's no right or wrong way. To most of the respondents so far: All these posters here want to remain anonymous internet trolls, yet expect anyone they do business with to be examined under a microscope. It doesn't work that way with bitcoins due to the entire reason for using bitcoins being privacy and anonymity. Did it occur to any of you twats who think you get to be anonymous but the counterparty has to be "transparent" that some investments work better with a mutual trust and no transparency? Yes, there are plenty such investments that are not illegal but are also not something that should be plastered around publicly. Do you want opportunities to make ROI or are you going to spend $2K for a minining rig so you can earn $6 per month for one month, and then $3 the next month, and $1.5 the next. lol If you are not willing to support a business/investment on the same basis that you support bitcoins in the first place - the freedom of being able to transact without government/banking middlemen - then you should convert all your coins to a real currency and get out of here. You don't belong here. I don't see a single respondent here posting under their REAL NAME, with a real address and phone number attached to their profile. If you don't want to share your deets, you have no right to demand or expect that from anyone else. Funny, how all this "bitcoin community" shifting from "free and open" to "me me me" in just a few short years. Their attitudes are even worse than that of most investment bankers...it's hilariously pathetic. Buying a 2k mining rig might be the only thing stupider than trusting an anonymous person on the internet to "invest" in when they have given zero clue about how they are going to make money. It's not about "me me me," it's about common sense. I've sat here for years and watched people with your hare brained logic lose all their money to obvious scams. If someone isn't willing to give you the basic information of how they are going to invest your money the odds of them losing it or stealing it are much much higher. Sorry for pointing that out. The days of just holding out your hands for "investments" and stealing money from a bunch of rubes are over. |
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I'm glad the A's won to stop you from doing something silly tomorrow.
You gave very bad reasoning for your plan to bet on the A's the next two days before, that's why I mentioned it. yes, it's hard to sweep a 4 game series, but the A's winning today has absolutely zero impact on whether or not the next team that loses the first 2 games of a 4 game series will win one of the next 2 games.
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70% is an insane number to go for. It's highly unlikely that you will get there without picking huge favorites, especially if you are picking things with 3.10 odds.
Even saying that, counting a bet that has 3.1 payout the same as a bet that has 1.2 payout makes no sense because they don't have the same odds of winning.
To show how good you are you need a standard way of counting how much money you win. The standard-ish options are to bet the same amount each time and keep track of your record, or to bet enough to win x when the payout is below 2.0, and bet x when the payout is 2.0 or above. Either way you get more credit for picking unlikely winners and more blame for losing on heavy favorites.
Good luck in your adventure, at least keep track of winnings is a good step.
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Im liking a mini 2 game chase tonight with the oakland As
taking them 125/100 if they lose I will back them tomorrow to make
225$
In order to lose it would mean Oakland would get swept in a four game
series to open the year at home. That rarely happens and worth the risk
imo to pick up 100$
Excellent idea, martingaling your way to profits has never gone wrong in the history of anything. |
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What is the progress about the Cryptsy stolen funds case?
Any news?
Why not selling the $1.5 mansion and pay the Cryptsy users?
The house belongs to Paul Vernon. Cryptsy lost your money. You need to get money from Cryptsy. If they have no money, you are fucked. If it is proven that there was fraud, you may be able to get some of his personal assets. Even in that case, I'm not sure if you can go after someone's personal home. |
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One thing i never understood about stakeminers and investment was unless you had like 0.1btc why wouldn't you just use your own btc to buy the stake coins you want. Some of the investors doing 5btc or even 1btc could of bought enough coins of their desired proof of stake coins to get an ok return.
Stakeminers doesn't do anything for you other than shift your value and hope to hell they are a more intelligent investor to get you bigger gains. You lose control of your investment by trusting someone else. You don't get to choose when to sell the coin to cut your losses etc and you only get weekly or whatever payouts and have to wait ages to have your initial investment returned...
At the current reduced value people should be able to request a withdrawal of their investment value in a parictular altcoin percentage. Theres no reason that they shouldn't be able to do that. If your investment lost 50% of its initial value e.g. 10btc down to 5btc.. you should be able to take 5btc of altcoins out. There is no loss to stakeminers to do that as they don't have to sell. The only other place i know that ties up your investment is a bank but they make it clear at the start of your term deposit that if you withdraw you lose your interest but you can do it. I'd personally never throw someone 10btc with knowledge it would take me 5 years to get it back if i changed my mind... thats just friggen bizarre.
The theory is that one wallet with 10 MUC (made up coin) will generate more via staking than 10 wallets with 1 MUC each. Also, apparently, there are ways to organize the coins in your wallets/addresses to increase your earnings via staking. So if you and a bunch of people all gave your coins to someone smart enough to do this, you would make more money than doing it on your own. That's why some people were wondering how much experience Leroy had and calling out the discrepancies in his stories. Of course, all of that is useless because even if done legitimately and correctly, there's no reason for the price of the coin to not drop down to keep up with the increasing supply. Yeah but a lot of staking coins with a flat rate or whatever that give percentages based on balance you can do yourself with 1 big block for cheap. The other ones i agree with you that are competitive staking coins with a constant reward e.g. paycon, hyperstake, tek. The difference here is you have to know the ever changing block sizes to maximise return. The coins are still cheap enough to acquire so again you can do it yourself. Losing control of your funds for 0.0001 btc more a day isn't worth it... theres no large enough gains. If the returns were large sums then you'd question how legitimate it was since that person could go to the bank get a loan and do it themselves right? Can't go to a bank for a loan because banks are evil and no one in their right mind would give him a loan. Not sure on how all the math works out, I never looked deeply into any of this because POS coins make no sense to me. We tried to stop people from investing, and due to the lack of people freaking out about not being able to withdraw I'm guessing that most of the "investments" are completely imaginary so not too many people got ripped off. |
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lol i dont get your offense. every play ive given was an absolut blowout win. easy money. if you want the lines etc just look it up your self? and if u dont like my picks youre free to move over to other threads.
There is no "offense." there are facts. No one cares if you go undefeated picking heavy favorites. That's why you need to list the odds and show how much money you are winning. You can go 99-1 and lose money depending on how you bet. If you are good at sports betting you make money, and if you want to show you are good at betting you need to show how you make money. |
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Fuck me. The depths some people will stoop to.
Shame on Roger Ver! He knows damn well he's talking to scammers, but simply because they have a no-fee mining pool that draws miners to it he wants to throw a little, "Maybe I was wrong about you", solely to buy support for his bitcoin-version of choice.
Just. Fuck. SMH.
[edit] I've just emailed Coindesk about this. Hopefully they'll run a piece on this, erm, 'piece'.
Shame? I don't think he knows the definition of that word. Are you really shocked that a convicted felon who vouched for Gox when they were broke would lie in bed with scumbags? |
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One thing i never understood about stakeminers and investment was unless you had like 0.1btc why wouldn't you just use your own btc to buy the stake coins you want. Some of the investors doing 5btc or even 1btc could of bought enough coins of their desired proof of stake coins to get an ok return.
Stakeminers doesn't do anything for you other than shift your value and hope to hell they are a more intelligent investor to get you bigger gains. You lose control of your investment by trusting someone else. You don't get to choose when to sell the coin to cut your losses etc and you only get weekly or whatever payouts and have to wait ages to have your initial investment returned...
At the current reduced value people should be able to request a withdrawal of their investment value in a parictular altcoin percentage. Theres no reason that they shouldn't be able to do that. If your investment lost 50% of its initial value e.g. 10btc down to 5btc.. you should be able to take 5btc of altcoins out. There is no loss to stakeminers to do that as they don't have to sell. The only other place i know that ties up your investment is a bank but they make it clear at the start of your term deposit that if you withdraw you lose your interest but you can do it. I'd personally never throw someone 10btc with knowledge it would take me 5 years to get it back if i changed my mind... thats just friggen bizarre.
The theory is that one wallet with 10 MUC (made up coin) will generate more via staking than 10 wallets with 1 MUC each. Also, apparently, there are ways to organize the coins in your wallets/addresses to increase your earnings via staking. So if you and a bunch of people all gave your coins to someone smart enough to do this, you would make more money than doing it on your own. That's why some people were wondering how much experience Leroy had and calling out the discrepancies in his stories. Of course, all of that is useless because even if done legitimately and correctly, there's no reason for the price of the coin to not drop down to keep up with the increasing supply. |
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So , he we go - watch as the lawyers rake in the money and the rest of us get nothing. Here in UK we can not claim , even if we wanted to. //waves bye bye to my BTC that I had painfully collected and mined. //looking for arsonist to burn down lawyers -- not in my name or on my behalf obviously  I told you the fat cat lawyers didn't care about you. I am actually trying to recover the coins and I've been transparent with the amount for my services all along. You also told us that you would return them 24 hours after your "contract" was signed. Why should anyone give a shit what you say? |
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So , he we go - watch as the lawyers rake in the money and the rest of us get nothing. Here in UK we can not claim , even if we wanted to. //waves bye bye to my BTC that I had painfully collected and mined. //looking for arsonist to burn down lawyers -- not in my name or on my behalf obviously You're the one who gave the coins to the guy who stole them. Lawyers should be at least #3 on your blame list for you losing your coins. |
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People that can make money by betting on sports make money by betting on sports.
I came up with a few ways to screw over the other person if I was the "tipster" in this situation without even trying.
Stop paying for picks.
i guess in the scenario i'm describing you aren't really paying for picks...its more like a bounty Example I offer a small reward for anyone who can give positive returns at the end of 2 weeks they will have earned a cut if the condition is met. As for the trickery you're talking about...i'm not sure any "paid" tipster on this forum would risk their trust or reputation in order to screw a guy over using bogus tips... Paid tipsters don't have any trust or reputation. They are con men. If they were good at betting they would bet. All this system does is allow them to bet risk free. If they are down early they can take bigger risks in hopes to get up, and then the bettor is forced to take bets form someone who probably sucks at betting and/or break the contract. If they are up early they can do the same thing, hoping for a big score, and then complain that they didn't get paid enough when they gave instructions that would lead to being up x but the bettor didn't make all the bets. If paid tipsters want to get paid for making good picks, they should bet. All Tipsters are scammers?? Most are. If they were good at betting they would be making money betting instead of selling the picks. I know as someone on the forum we are supposed to think that everything in the financial world outside of bitcoin is some foreign planet, but we can learn from their mistakes. Most of the people in the real world that sell picks are scammers/fraudsters, so most of the people that sell picks in bitcoinland are scammers/fraudsters. In this scheme they are using your money to bet risk free. It would be filled with scammers and fraudsters. It's very simple to prove that you are a legitimate "tipster." No one here does it because doing it will quickly show that they are not as good at betting as they believe. Post all bets somewhere before games start, with proof of a bet hopefully. Clearly list how much you are betting and when you made the bet. Clearly keep track of your record, including wins and losses AND how much money you have won or lost, again preferably broken down by sport. So the stats tipsters provide mean nothing!?!?? I have not seen a tipster provide ALL the relevant stats, so yes, they mean nothing. I don't pay much attention because every time I look it's not even close to being right. Do you know one that posts all their picks before games start and keeps track of all their picks and how much money they've won or lost? How many of them that do that pick games that are difficult to pick instead of just picking heavy favorites? You can check my threads, I have been completely transparent being a tipster, never hidden a single bet and showed all of my results... Many won, many lost, but I showed all of them, those too all were free... Not all tipsters are scammers... What is your record? How are you keeping track of money won/lost? |
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The only way i'd pay for tipster service is for tips to be with an odd 2.00 or higher and winrate 70% or higher.
That's a great idea. No one will be able to meet those requirements so you won't waste any money. |
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Most are. If they were good at betting they would be making money betting instead of selling the picks.
I guess, or maybe some of the legit guys here (like CarlosPuyol) don't have bankroll big enough to just profit from their own bets, that's why they're selling their "tips" to others. Can't think of other reason why would they do it. Or maybe they should speak for themselves That doesn't make sense. how can they not have a big bankroll if they are so good at betting? Shouldn't they be able to build it up big? |
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This is useless without you accurately listing what odds you are getting and keeping track of how much you have won or lost.
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People that can make money by betting on sports make money by betting on sports.
I came up with a few ways to screw over the other person if I was the "tipster" in this situation without even trying.
Stop paying for picks.
i guess in the scenario i'm describing you aren't really paying for picks...its more like a bounty Example I offer a small reward for anyone who can give positive returns at the end of 2 weeks they will have earned a cut if the condition is met. As for the trickery you're talking about...i'm not sure any "paid" tipster on this forum would risk their trust or reputation in order to screw a guy over using bogus tips... Paid tipsters don't have any trust or reputation. They are con men. If they were good at betting they would bet. All this system does is allow them to bet risk free. If they are down early they can take bigger risks in hopes to get up, and then the bettor is forced to take bets form someone who probably sucks at betting and/or break the contract. If they are up early they can do the same thing, hoping for a big score, and then complain that they didn't get paid enough when they gave instructions that would lead to being up x but the bettor didn't make all the bets. If paid tipsters want to get paid for making good picks, they should bet. All Tipsters are scammers?? Most are. If they were good at betting they would be making money betting instead of selling the picks. I know as someone on the forum we are supposed to think that everything in the financial world outside of bitcoin is some foreign planet, but we can learn from their mistakes. Most of the people in the real world that sell picks are scammers/fraudsters, so most of the people that sell picks in bitcoinland are scammers/fraudsters. In this scheme they are using your money to bet risk free. It would be filled with scammers and fraudsters. It's very simple to prove that you are a legitimate "tipster." No one here does it because doing it will quickly show that they are not as good at betting as they believe. Post all bets somewhere before games start, with proof of a bet hopefully. Clearly list how much you are betting and when you made the bet. Clearly keep track of your record, including wins and losses AND how much money you have won or lost, again preferably broken down by sport. So the stats tipsters provide mean nothing!?!?? I have not seen a tipster provide ALL the relevant stats, so yes, they mean nothing. I don't pay much attention because every time I look it's not even close to being right. Do you know one that posts all their picks before games start and keeps track of all their picks and how much money they've won or lost? How many of them that do that pick games that are difficult to pick instead of just picking heavy favorites? |
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People that can make money by betting on sports make money by betting on sports.
I came up with a few ways to screw over the other person if I was the "tipster" in this situation without even trying.
Stop paying for picks.
i guess in the scenario i'm describing you aren't really paying for picks...its more like a bounty Example I offer a small reward for anyone who can give positive returns at the end of 2 weeks they will have earned a cut if the condition is met. As for the trickery you're talking about...i'm not sure any "paid" tipster on this forum would risk their trust or reputation in order to screw a guy over using bogus tips... Paid tipsters don't have any trust or reputation. They are con men. If they were good at betting they would bet. All this system does is allow them to bet risk free. If they are down early they can take bigger risks in hopes to get up, and then the bettor is forced to take bets form someone who probably sucks at betting and/or break the contract. If they are up early they can do the same thing, hoping for a big score, and then complain that they didn't get paid enough when they gave instructions that would lead to being up x but the bettor didn't make all the bets. If paid tipsters want to get paid for making good picks, they should bet. All Tipsters are scammers?? Most are. If they were good at betting they would be making money betting instead of selling the picks. I know as someone on the forum we are supposed to think that everything in the financial world outside of bitcoin is some foreign planet, but we can learn from their mistakes. Most of the people in the real world that sell picks are scammers/fraudsters, so most of the people that sell picks in bitcoinland are scammers/fraudsters. In this scheme they are using your money to bet risk free. It would be filled with scammers and fraudsters. It's very simple to prove that you are a legitimate "tipster." No one here does it because doing it will quickly show that they are not as good at betting as they believe. Post all bets somewhere before games start, with proof of a bet hopefully. Clearly list how much you are betting and when you made the bet. Clearly keep track of your record, including wins and losses AND how much money you have won or lost, again preferably broken down by sport. |
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Jesus Christ.
What odds did you get?
Baseball, more than almost any other sport the odds and keeping track of how much you won is of the utmost importance.
there are no big favorites today so it's not the worst thing, but might as well get into good habits.
What site did you bet on? What odds did you get? How much did you bet?
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