 yay, progress! Thank you very much Bitcoinorama for all those pictures and the vid, much appreciate! however that's it so far I'm happy about - still no pickup infos/no info when to take a day off from office  Seems like KnC thinks everybody is unemployed chilling all week long in front of a screen at home waiting for the packet to arrive?? As one can see some pics do miracles and it does not take long for posting them. Even more disappointing that we need Bitcoinorama to post them as KnC is simply too busy  and prefers shitstorms instead. I still do not get their silence the last days though, as you can see some pics do miracles. Maybe it's strategic stuff: Instead of releasing infos which still do not help you to make your dealine and stick to all your marketing statements, you let ppl go crazy. The more and more FUD, worst case scenarios and similar appear the more ppl are panicking and run around like headless chickens. Then you finally show some infos that those FUD spreading and imaginary worst cases did not take place - and immediately most are happy and celebrating. Therefore leaving minor negative mosaics completely out of sight they would complain about otherwise. "Hooray, not the worst case!!" ** Sorry for disturbing the bright picture again, I know some can't stand it as it does not fit into their rosy picture. Let me add I do not love complaining - honestly I hate it. I'd love to praise KnC for matching the bright picture...but...as you know.. Yes, it's still in their hands to make everyone -in addition to themselves- happy and IF they really make it somehow, I'm going to praise them each and every morning. You see I'm still optimistic while facing the facts. sorry ..intent means something to me here that actually seem to give a damn at knc that means a lot to me...after my bad bfl experiences...these guys are saints....also having a hard time looking at the down side in that they have given me the potential according to the video of the hash on the Jupiter ...on my 600gh ordered of 265gh extra at NO COST...again maybe i'm suffering from abused puppy syndrome from BFL ....but really you are gonna whine about this when they we're this close....anyway to me it is a miracle because now my 65gh from bfl I likely won't see till end of November don't guite hurt so much.... again giving a damn about your customers ie intent...is a big deal to me now after BFL's stumble**k of a asic business my 2c worth Searing |
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well i'd post some rebuttal on BFL shoutbox and forums but I'm banned...(er too many inconvenient truths brought to light on my part...heh)..as mentioned in a previous post there is a thread on BFL forums stating "knc misses deadline" with a lot of misinfo...it would be nice if someone with access (I was banned from bfl forums for making waves)...heh serve them some humble pie ....I should be more modest...er just put the facts there it will be enough (swedes don't gloat..trying to be more refined/Swedish now) I had prev asked a guestion of KNC and received this reply on I think it was August 1st or so?....(in archives maybe of BFL shoutbox)...anyway..the email from knc stated they would have the miner out end of September.....Josh in shoutbox said not way it would be after jan 2014 somewhere around then Josh changed his estimated shipping of my order for the 4th time to end of September.....I said screw that and dumped 147gh my last day of paypal dispute in getting that email...so thank your for the timing of the email knc you got a Saturn order from me on that personal reply from sam to my email questions. smartest thing I managed to do .....so not only did I manage to get 147gh back from bfl from knc's email (which I trusted more then BFL by that time) I turned around and got a Saturn from them for with the refund..... KNC got me 147gh back then and I still have 65gh stuck with BFL I may not get back till nov...147gh plus 65gh is 212gh ..and thus with my 600gh I expected from KNC I instead at NO COST have gotten for my 600gh and estimated potential of 864gh or 264gh more then I expected.....quite the good deed to me imho....salvage my ego and roi from bfl issues i'll take it heh to say i'm pleased is an understatement what goes around comes around..so thanks KNC for getting me off the can on getting 147gh back refund back from bfl on my last paypal dispute day by your very well timed email and also for the additional gh beyond the 65gh I may have lost with BFL at NO COST I might add a concept with bfl that is unknown.... thanks for having my back us 'abused' previous asic purchaser's will not forget I'm sure there are others on here in the same boat that agree..it is "refreshing" to say the least and you've got a lot less skeptics in the world now imho from 2 days ago! will save $$$ for your next gen stuff starting today Searing |
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It genuinely is pretty tense, can't sit down type stuff. This that need to stay chilled, and keep a steady hand like the guy above, are frickin' pros, the rest are relishing the tension;  hey they need to sell those "lab coats" with a little KNC logo..so I can feel like "the man" (i'm such a nerd I'd buy two) Searing |
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Bitcoinorama, any insider info about will they offer pickup today?
I see guys in lab coats anxiously awaiting results - not ramp ups of people building devices...earlier comment was right this is not looking too automated at this point lol. Lol; http://youtu.be/ittJ5PQe6IU  O.K. let's see if I can wrap my little mind around the concepts here...it is kind of hard cause I saw/heard the video and have a "woody" going on and all the blood has rushed out of my head....so....I bought this miner in July 1st 2013 Jupiter and I think they we're saying at that point I'd get 250gh out of the beast...(maybe more I forget..but I did email them for info the first day they announced...perhaps that is where I got the 250 from....).....then like in the video it says it is 300 then 350...then 400 then 500 and the video says they hit 576gh I think it was with the beast and they are ON TIME....with NO cost passed on to us ....the customer for the increase....... the mind boggles......(take a moment here with paper bag hyperventilating here....)..OK ...hmmmm So being a BFL victim...and awaiting my april 12th order of 65gh that I paid 3519 bucks for....and likely will not see till NOV 2013....(scumbags)....my MODEST hope was 400gh with maybe an 11% improvement over the 400gh as our "significant hash increase" so I'd get like 465gh from KNC and perhaps with some denial/therapy etc maybe I could convince myself it was a 'draw" for the salvation of my ego ...with the reaming I got from BFL.....ie the knc 65gh extra is an unexpected reprieve from my non-shipment 65gh from BFL horror....(hey I'm grasping at straws here..but my ego is kinda beat up...here...I'm a humbler and hopefully more well rounded ASIC miner these days...(kicked puppy syndrome)... and instead of 65gh or a modest 11% increase over 400gh to say 465gh they then without warning showing me a working Jupiter that at the end of the video I'm told it is hashing at 576GH?........OBVIOUSLY my viewpoint on the Swedish word translated into the word "significant" needs an upgrade.....so they kind of missed the mark with an "improvement" of a potential 176gh over the 400gh estimate. And unlike BFL ...its FREE.....  ? (ok again taking a moment here. ...combination of the woody and euphoria and heady concepts of 176gh potentially of FREE GH too much..breathe.......in/out..) ahem... by my calculations that is a 44% improvement on the Jupiter 400gh... (deep breaths) So sorry can't come up with any words on how "blown away" I am on all this ...I mean as a formerly "abused" ASIC purchaser from BFL you people are way way too nice (battered bfl syndrome) anyway congrats /kudos / thanks a bunch ...makes my foray into BFL neverland somewhat more tolerable and the hole I have gotten myself into with them is considerably shallower ROI wise....with KNC's efforts...so with that perhaps I can move on and call it a "draw" ....(BFL and the other ASIC guys must be going "wtf" on all this" imho lol) and by the by anyone on here with BFL forum access (er I was somewhat banned from their shoutbox and posting in forums for my somewhat ...shall I say 'accurate" assessment of BFL"s business format/practices...please please get on their forum and post in the thread entitled "KNC does not make its deadline for a miner" and the subsequent posts within stating it will be another month an nauseum...the info here......I'd do so but alas ...they no likey me no more someone else here with access please go there and post the truth....."humble pie" servings are needed on that thread imho... So thanks bitcoinorama for you info.....made my day...probably the most shocking validation of faith in any product I've purchased in my entire life!!!! my 2c worth Searing (gonna go lie down all this unrestrainded happiness and glee is exhausting!!) |
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hmmm chances that phoenix and I still lost our wagered coins on bitbet with the pizzaman? - (>98%)
ooooooh, stop!!!! Yes!! ewwww.....you didn't just do that right?....(some people the bigger the "chip" the more they "get off on it") er by the by it is 10:31am in Sweden more or less at the time of this post....so depending on how "hard" they want to "push this" (sorry the whole chip/board thing is getting me off too) anyway...they have more or less 13 hrs or so to "move" something out the door will be interesting... Searing |
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I dont mind any minor delays of a few days. Thats not the problem. I dont like the non-existent communication-policy.
We had a on-off communication the last months. Sometimes very detailed then again absent for several weeks. And now its just non-existent again.
Either dont communicate details at all and stay silent or communicate and tell your customers whats going on.
But this inbetween of broken promises (Video, China-Show etc) and silence is just not good imo.
Yeah I agree.....but then again....I'll probably stick with it like the titanic ..(I'm a bfl order of april.....with nothing yet there either so probably looking at November for those folks) the below clip applies http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=nZIlAExvneosigh....but then again....if this all goes to crap with both BFL and KNC I've learned a valuable life lesson...ie I'm going AMISH screw technology...hot amish girls (who have no media to know they are hot)....clean air...good food...HARD BRUTAL LABOR WITH MY FRIEND THE MULE 12hr days 6 days a week...er what was that last part ...er nevermind.... it is what it is ....should just write this all off ..... look at it simplifying my lifestyle...(ie less $$$) see I'm more 'Zenlike" already (probably better I have less ego now anyway.....after all this.......(start the denial here........) Searing |
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^so much speculating, you guys are crazy, wait for facts and stop inventing between the lines!!
Oh, but this is fun! Ah, got it, so you're in here for the comedy? ack speculation...ack (have enough of that with my "phantom bfl" april orders...ack (off to get a drink....sheesh)  |
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Honestly, the best people I think can hope for is that CoinTerra and HashFast fold. If you have a November KnC order, you may have only bought yourself a nice space heater for the winter.
The amount of new companies releasing hardware are going to cause the difficulty to run away from everyone. This is going to get bad. If you are buying next-gen hardware with BTC, you will be at a loss. If you are buying with cash, it might be better to just buy BTC directly instead.
That's a terribly pessimistic outlook. When GPU's were no longer any use for mining bitcoin, gpu miners swopped over to litecoin. When the lower end asic miner no longer mine enough BTC to make it worthwhile, they'll switch to an alt too. I assume people with jalapeno's are mining zetacoin or something like that, rather than huddling round it for heat. I'd say it's fairly likely we'll see a SHA256 alt coin explode in 2014 for this reason. It's pessimistic but it's true. There are a lot of people interested in mining now. You can thank the April bubble for that. A lot of greedy people out there. They just don't have any clue as to what they're getting in to. Mining has almost never been about mining for profit. The brief FPGA era wasn't too bad because not that many were involved as they are now. ASIC's are just too fast and specs are going to start upgrading every 3 months. And everyone wants one. The only profit in mining is for the hardware developers. Coins don't explode in value just because miners are interested in them. Higher supply equals lower demand. Services using these coins are what matters. And BTC has all the momentum. No need for Litecoin as the "silver" to Bitcoins "gold" when BTC is both "silver" and "gold". Although alts might have short term value when attempting to trade them for BTC. Plus you can't just easily point an ASIC to a different coin. It's not like an FPGA with a memory chip. here is an interview with sam cole (sound file) about a device to mine all alt coins also the silliness of all the asic mnfg companies shipping w/o taking into consideration miners making a profit...ie miners have to make a profit to buy more miners in the future..interesting stuff my 2c worth Searing |
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I wonder if those of us who were promised September delivery are going to be compensated in any way? An extra hashing board in each Saturn would be nice... I had to change my flight date & pay a 75 dollar fee knowing now the miners aren't shipping yet... Changed it to the 1st... hope for the best now I guess...
hey my july 1st Jupiter order resembles your remark ..hope you are correct...but in reality I just need the "significant hash increase" statement of KNC to be like 11% increase at 600gh ordered from KNC it will save me from the "loss" of the BFL stuff from april of 65gh I may never see till December...so if I get that much I'm going to declare it a draw and move on "the bfl horror .....my ego is fragile ..fiends they are fiends I tell you ..staggers off mumbling to self broken asic miner" Searing |
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Rejected: Thank you for reaching out to PayPal for assistance regarding your transaction with Butterfly Labs. As a result of your escalation, PayPal has opened a claim on your behalf. After a thorough review of your claim, we have determined we cannot continue with this investigation because your complaint was filed 45 or more days after the original transaction date. In order to prevent a similar issue in the future, you are able to learn more about how we investigate transaction problems by clicking “Legal Agreements” at the bottom of any PayPal page, then click “PayPal User Agreement.” You can find additional information and tips about buying and selling safely on our Business Resource Center at https://www.paypal-businesscenter.com/manage-your-business. You are valued customer and we are sorry we were not able to meet your needs. Thank you for your patience and cooperation regarding this matter. Sincerely, PayPal yep got the same letter today..the only thing I can add to this is that 1) according to the paypal rep previous on the phone I talked to a couple nights ago...Paypal has gotten a "crapload" his words believe it or not of complaints about BFL in the last few weeks and 2) the only recourse with bank xfer is is to contact your bank (which in my case says it is a paypal problem)...so stuck....at the current rate of production at BFL looks like I'd get my april orders of 5 7gh jallies and 30gh around nov/dec I fully expect BFL to simply ship jallies up to the april 1st date and not ship any product beyond the price change until all products (with the possible exception of mini-rigs) are shipped up to that point...then address the stuff after the price point....thus continuing there trickle of products with the least amount of manufacturing expense in pre-ordering stuff and in keeping employment costs down ..ie we're screwed they will send it when they dang well want to....imho...anyway live and learn....on a side note I have 600gh of KNC coming supposedly with "significant increase" in hash..so if they can up the hash 11% and deliver by oct 15th my july 1st order as claimed..then that is 65gh and I can "kinda" call it a wash....either that or upgrade to a monarch via slavix on bfl forums for$850 to a monarch....(unlikely)...anyway....hopefully others who have ordered from knc may get some of this back it least in the denial of your own mind (hey grasping at straws here) imho quite frankly was just way way to much paypal cash paid out to bfl for paypal to deal with ..if they refunded everyone that got screwed from BFL it would probably put BFL under and I'm sure BFL gave them the old "in 2 weeks line....promise" live and learn I guess Searing |
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Doesn't seem like we're receiving many refunds over the past couple days. I'm gonna give it a couple more days then may initiate a new plan, but this will not be done before we can confirm PP has stopped responding.
Again, I need a good writer. If you've got skillz hit me up.
Yeah I got a hold of someone at paypal like 5min ago...disputes..they said because it was not a cc order and over 45 days only option was to contact my bank and see if I can get the bank xfer reversed that way....he said that there are a "crapload" of people trying to get $$$ back from BFL non credit card ie 'bank xfer" looks like paypal is gonna pass the buck to your bank......(not much luck there i'd imagine) ...so ....I also told him about the executive email option that we sent the email too as stated in the bfl refund thread....he said good luck they seem to be swamped with people trying to get around 45 days...so it looks like either my bank will come thru (unlikely they will probably punt me back to paypal imho...at which paypal says it is a dead end) or the email we sent to the addresses given are high enough up on the paypal chain of command they continue to do something about this.....just because it ticks off the higher ups at paypal...so hopefully paypal comes thru and does the right thing ...but I can hear josh on the phone saying to paypal it is "unnecessary" 2 more weeks.. nice to know they got all this nice pre-order cash....so they could build their nice shiny monarch for there newly created "mining farm" (ie see main page on orders)...if I was paypal i'd feel played as well but we will see.. anyway....email route here looks likely to be the last hope....anyone you phone via voice at paypal don't seem to have the clout....but they did confirm that a lot of p/o'd people saying they have gotten played by BFL ....we just need the higher ups a paypal to also be p'o'd and slap BFL down as an example.... anyway not sure what the above means except no one contacted directly via voice at paypal seemed to have a clue on how to fix this ..ie not enough clout....so we will see..... not looking too good imho thou Searing. |
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[funny pic]
I dont think anyone sane questioned there would be chips, not after reading the press release by orsoc. The last months this thread was FULL of trolls questioning that there will be chips. Sane or not it doesnt matter cause we all have seen it happen. And even now they could state that its all a photoshop fake. You see an idiot stays an idiot regardless what happens. KnC wasn't the only target of scam accusation, I seem to remember an unwarranted plethora of abuse directed at myself relentlessly these last few months. Apparently not only was I talking the truth, I knew the subject I was talking about, and really did have everyone's best interests at heart with respect to secured payments, and not being scammed. I've also been correct with every single prediction i've made. Not bad to be fair, is it? There's a few folks here that owe me an apology, and albeit even fewer that said they would have the balls to apologise when the time came. Well let's hear it please, i'm happy to forgive, but credit, where credit's due... heh..I was banned from BFL for pointing out that knc is taking cc direct and also that bfl was sending out disputed miner chargeback attempts with units rather then chargebacks....ie josh said that "mistake" has been fixed...and is not related to disputes heh ..so yeah I feel for you .....I may be misguided..but its hard for folks to accept stuff sometimes.......keep fighting the good fight Searing |
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The small and medium sized miners will have to work collectively. That will cut down costs and provide them with many years of life in mining given there are chips with which you can base projects on.
Not trying to be a smart ass here...but how would such a collaboration of small miners work...ipo's .....co-op....I know the American farmer (the real dirt kind) had these issues and n made co-ops out in the boonies to get elec and grain moving etc..to compete against corp farmers in the early 20th century even before the dust bowl...but how something like that comes to be I've no idea....but yeah some kinda pooling of small miners is proably the only hope... |
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This doesn't appear to be good news for BFL. I believe enough complaints were lodged with the state AG for them to open the file and do some preliminary "investigation". I also believe they found enough validity in the complaints to warrant this going to the next level. It appears that the state AG has determined that the appropriate course of action here is to suggested that the local DA "address" the issue. I wouldn't get my hopes up. It has a form letter look like they're basically punting it. "May be more appropriately addressed" is pretty weak language. It could mean they view this as a criminal fraud rather than a simple consumer protection issue, but it reads more to me like simple bureaucratic buck-passing. I wouldn't stop filing complaints with both agencies, though. Anyone who has not already filed a complaint with the AG (and wants to) should go ahead and do it regardless, but should perhaps also contact the DA in this letter. Anyone who already got an "official" brush-off from the AG should continue to follow up with the DA. I cannot see an online complaint link for the JoCo DA -- it has to be done by paper and post. So the AG sending my complaint to the DA for me is good enough, as I am outside the US. I've already gotten my Paypal reversal yesterday (forced on BFL by Paypal), but if BFL didn't deny it in the first place, I probably wouldn't have filed any complaints anywhere (FTC, KS AG, BBB). Denying refunds is just plain poor customer service, and outright illegal. The official mouthpiece says their lawyer says it's within the law, but that's what lawyers are for. If he were helping build units instead of cursing everyone here, the backlog might have been shorter. the guestion is if you did a cc via your paypal account it is fairly easy to get your $$$ back from bfl with paypal pressure..even after 45day window I've been told..the catch is if you have done it in BTC or wire xfer or bank xfer as far as I know your only option is the FTC or lawyers.....anyway just saying so don't be like me and NOT pay with cc via paypal or direct if a company like www.kncminer.com can take direct credit card orders after only being in existence for 6 months can't see why bfl could not do so either..last point to not even mention that some some people we're saying in shoutbox the day before that chargebacks via cc or ftc are being paid out by equipment .ie jumpint the gue..I said so on bfl's shoutbox what the deal on this was a rumor or what with bfl staff in shoutbox they all left and I was promptly banned from the shoutbox ...I can see forums there and post but they go to moderator (ie black hole of death)and never are posted..so again I was simply "asking" about all the talk I heard on this........and bang banned....(admittedly I have been kinda pain to bfl but I mean really ...just reply there is not truth to it...is all I expected in the shoutbox reply)...so anyway ....thus they lost an upgrade of my current not shipping stuff to a monarch ...I will just use the stuff coming as doorstops I guess and treat this whole BFL mess as a life lesson....getting tough on the old bfl site if you even bring up possible rumors to their attention...or not I guess my 2c worth Searing and as always with the lack of info out of bfl I know squat....it is the lack of info imho that has gotten them in this mess in the first place...even if not fishy sure looks so..again imho ..like I know zip ..I bought from these guys...Searing |
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revised
10/11/13 'In Progress" #304x
10/15/13 'Shipped" #340x
User Order # Date of order # of Jupiters # of Saturns # of Mercury Country Shipping Day Date of reception
Searing #304x 7/1/2013 1 0 0 USA Oct 15 2013
Searing #526x 8/6/2013 0 1 0 USA Oct ? 2013
here ya go
Searing
Again #304x as of 10/15/13 is marked as 'shipped'
Searing
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