Since you stated only interested in pursuing a scammer tag and you are not interested in a resolution (for example a settlement) it's become clear that you are not actually interested in a response which would show I am innocent. Which is why you requested a scammer tag in full knowledge I was responding to your claims, and that all of the responses I have made have resulted in you admitting I was innocent.

There is really no point in discussing anything with you, but as you have agreed to be a central clearing house for complaints against me, you have provided a simple place for me to made responses. Once I deal with all of your accusations (or settle directly with shareholders) then this will finally be over.

So you cannot work for the shareholders and arbitrate a settlement? In that case you are not worth responding to and I will deal with the shareholders myself. It's really your choice. Either you are an arbiter, or you are just another person accusing me. You have no special status or right here.

1. GLBSE fall down go boom. I do not have access to my CSV file. This does not mean I am a scammer.

2. I live in China. And for what it matters, I am the princess of the moon.

3. No I am not a scammer. I want to try and resolve this quickly now. If you are willing to work for the shareholders, why not consider a settlement? It's something I don't have to do. Think about it -- if it's clear I won't work in the community again, what's the problem with helping me do the right thing and giving money to shareholders? Either you agree that I can resolve this in principle, or you just fired yourself as arbiter.

Choose your next words to me carefully, I refuse to participate with you if you're going to give me the runaround: Are you going to help me settle this or not? I want to propose a settlement, and this is literally the fifth time I am asking for a response from you on that.

Are you going to give me a chance to answer them, or are you going to request that Theymos give me a scammer tag? Stop being a hypocrite.

Are you going to be able to negotiate a cash settlement for shareholders, or do I need to cut you out of the picture and do it myself? Remove your bias and do your job as an arbiter.

Answer the simple questions.

BCB


Cut the crap. I'm not the victim.. but I want this to go away? Yes, I want your ridiculous campaign to tag me as a scammer to go away. because that is what it is; you've given up all pretense of allowing me a fair chance to make a response and/or repair any damage by making a payment to my shareholders.  You've made a decision that I am a scammer despite the fact the only response I've given to you so far has led to you admitting your accusation was without merit. Now you're pushing for a scammer tag before I have had a chance to respond to any of the other claims.

When you decide you are willing to either deal with the evidence you have provided in a simple, step by step fashion
OR
that you agree to arbitrate a settlement which will be paid to shareholders,

THEN

I will deal with you in this matter.

Until then, you don't seem interested in helping repair what damages you feel I have caused to shareholders, rather, you just seem intent on doing me in. So I am going to send a letter to each one of my shareholders now offering a settlement. I don't think you're doing a good job as an arbiter by refusing me the opportunity to make a proper response. I don't know who you think you are anyways -- If I have a settlement with my shareholders, THEN this will end. Not when you say so. I only agreed to let you collect all the evidence in one place so I could make a final response to it.


This is crap. You've had several people speak up on my behalf now including stochastic and augustocroppo. Even vampire, deprived and repentence seem interested in pursuing a cash settlement to some degree.

How about this; if anyone believes BCB is being fair and is capable of resolving this, speak up now. I mean wtf, who wouldn't jump at the chance to negotiate a cash settlement? It's clear BCB is not looking out for shareholder interests here. The companies are closing down; this would only help shareholders.

Who is BCB working for, if not the shareholders I've supposedly ripped-off?

BCB is being a jerk to me. He's insulting me and passing judgement before posting evidence, he's stated he isn't reading my posts anyway, and he seems unwilling to actually seek a resolution other than I'm a scammer.

If BCB is only going to do work such that I get a scammer tag then what's the point of dealing with him? he's not interested in me making peace with my shareholders; he just wants to do me in. So he has shown his true colors now. So no I will not agree with his decision. The problem is that BCB has become another soapbox for "usagi therefore scammer". Here are two things BCB can do to help resolve this:

1. BCB can agree that we will deal with one thing at a time.

2. BCB can agree that it's possible we can resolve this with a settlement paid to shareholders.

If neither of the above are true, then BCB's original intent of collecting the evidence in one place and allowing a final response seems to have fallen by the wayside.

And if I can't do this with BCB my last option is to make a settlement directly with shareholders. See, my companies are in a close-down process. If I offer a settlement to shareholders, regardless of any wrongdoing and they take it, then that's that. So this is how we are going to resolve this: step by step and/or via settlement, or I will cut BCB out of the picture and deal directly with my shareholders. I guarantee you that if I have a settlement from my shareholders in hand I will never, ever get a scammer tag. So maybe I should just go and do that anyways, since I have a full list from nefario?

I am not, I repeat not, going to sit here for the next six months of my life while BCB's locked thread grows to 100 posts and try to answer every tiny little stinking question he has. I need to close down my companies and get on with my life. You and BCB either choose to deal with the evidence in the locked thread, or you choose not to try to work towards a resolution either way. I've shown my willingness to deal here:

kongzi.ca/BCB

and here: https://bitcointalk.org/index.php?topic=113708.msg1429794#msg1429794

Now it's BCB's turn. Since he's said he's ignoring my posts, I suggest you contact him and mention I have offered a chance to settle. It would save everyone a hell of a lot of time. I'm just not interested in the whole endless war thing.

I've told you several times I will deal with the evidence you have posted in due course and over time. I'm not going to allow you to control the discussion on that level, where you post accusation after accusation and demand a response or an admission. You have agreed to collect evidence, and even if you feel it is your job to collect evidence against me I feel you are more than welcome to do so. Just post whatever evidence you have against me in your locked thread and I will make a single response in a single place, thus avoiding spam, and working through this mess quickly, cleanly, once and for all.

How does agreeing the accusation was unjustified in ONE case suddenly mean ALL such claims are unjustified?
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The words "in at least one case" means there exist other cases where he did not.

Relax.


Look, if you're not going to agree to go through BCB I won't deal with him. You have a golden opportunity here to present all your evidence to one person, in one place, and then I will make a response, and BCB will make a judgement. Kill the spam. I suggest you use BCB. As the community including you seems to have agreed to use him by presenting evidence to him, I suggest you keep the spam down and let him do his job.


Thank you but it's okay. We will deal with it all, in one place, over time.

Please just agree that we'll do this thru BCB. Present your evidence to him and leave me alone. I need to go wind down my companies tonight and I am tired.

Let me save you the trouble. I already told you I will respond to each one of your accusations in due course. So you're going to have to wait. I'm not going to try to simultaneously respond to 8 or 9 different allegations at once, so relax.

The only side discussion worth having is whether or not you'd accept a settlement in any of the accusations you've shown. It's important whether or not you would accept that as you have agreed to represent all the complaints here. This means that anyone who sent you evidence has agreed that you will make a final decision. If you are willing to arbitrate this and end it quickly and fairly, that may be one option. It's been mentioned a few times now so please comment on it.

In fact I might even wait until you've responded to repentance's and my settlement idea before moving to the next case. I'm feeling a little tired tonight. I just got home.

Hi and thanks for extending that to me. While it is not my decision to say whether or not BCB's decision is binding, I have agreed to respond to all of the evidence he has posted. One of the primary complaints is that there is too much spam in the threads against me. As a result BCB has created a locked thread containing all accusations and all evidence against me. I strongly suggest you use this to your advantage so that this can be resolved once and for all.

One thing I would very much like you to state is what you think I need to do to resolve your complaint. I would agree to a fair fine or penalty such as any or all of:

a) (for example) paying 100 btc to BMF shareholders as per the BMF/CPA insurance contract
b) cancelling or donating any number (but not all) of my personal shares
c) cancelling my management shares

The key here is that you would need to show damages. I am just referencing the BMF/CPA contract as an example because it states a number (100 bitcoins). Anyway I hope you can see that all I really want to do is resolve this one way or another. Unless you are interested in waging an endless war against me, I think you should consider my offer to close the complaints that way. It would be:

• fast
• simple
• easy
• no sperging required
• no spammy threads

If BCB agrees it's a valid way of closing his scam accusation, then yes, I will agree to it.

Try to stay focused and stop insulting me. Of the three charges in this thread:

1. falsifying NAVs,
2. manipulating share prices (and)
3. misleading investors

You have admitted that #3, misleading investors, was an unjustified charge in at least one case. I will shortly be re-examining your locked thread to determine if there is any additional evidence that I have misled investors. If not I'll flip a coin and move on to one of the other two.

The goal here is to get this thread resolved by a moderator. Theymos has said that he will not close this thread unless there is evidence I have not scammed. Both you and I and others now agree #3 is a false claim. Therefore in order to get this thread closed in my favor I only have to clear up the first two charges. This seems to be the fastest and easiest way to resolve your complaints. Once this thread is closed we can let it die and reduce the number of threads against me. Then we can move on and continue to deal with the evidence people have sent you.

Thank you for agreeing to be a central clearing house for all complaints against me.

Vampire part of your going through BCB is that the community seems to have agreed he will be the arbiter. It's probably in your best interest now to stop making wild accusations, and give the evidence you have to BCB.

I will not have time or energy to respond to 5 different people anymore. Go through him... just a thought.

This is, I believe, an important idea.

I feel like vampire (and others before him) are simply layering accusation after accusation. I feel it will take months if not years to properly respond, however BCB states he doesn't read my posts so I fear there is in fact no way for me to respond to his allegations.

I fear three things will occur:

1. That the accusations alone (without evidence) will cause people to avoid me. This has already happened, demonstrably, and I have lost money from it, demonstrably.
2. That I be given a scammer tag "because usagi". Example; BCB has posted that I have misappropriated company funds but not linked any evidence to support that statement. I'm not sure where he's going with that one (or six of the other dozen+ he's accused me of).
3. That I be labeled a scammer for something inadvertent but I ended up deserving, with no way to make amends.

The rough estimate of what my companies owe is the assets we held. These are being discussed in the post 'final claims process' on the securities forum.

Now here's my idea of what can/should be done.
1. In the case where I'm found guilty of something which requires a scammer tag, we need to put a bitcoin value on it. That is the primary complaint, right?
2. I then propose I pay this amount back to shareholders. I will agree to what the shareholders want. Also, I will not vote in any such motion with company shares or management shares. I reserve the right to vote with personal shares as is my right as a paying shareholder. Conflict of interest? No, I paid for my personal shares.

For example. Let's say I was found guilty of the bmf/cpa contract thing. (Please note I can prove I paid 100 BTC of personal money to BMF, that I returned 100 or 200 shares to BMF from CPA, and that I donated the output of a BFL single to BMF -- so I am not admitting anything till I get a chance to fully respond later). In that case I would propose a fine of 100 BTC to be paid directly to BMF shareholders. That is honest and realistic. I would propose that it be put to shareholder vote.

If that is not acceptable, provided I have a guarantee that I will be treated fairly, I will agree that such a case could be decided by the community (example: BCB). Since BCB has agreed to be a central clearing house for all complaints against me, if BCB states he will drop the charge I will agree to pay the shareholders the 100 BTC (for example). 100 btc in this case, because that is the amount stated in the contract.

Please note -- this would be a personal payment and would not, in this case, affect CPA. For example.

Another way this could be resolved, is if I offer to cancel some or all of my personal holdings in my companies --  thus increasing the value of the remaining company shares. As long as the penalty would be handled fairly and equitablty I would agree to it. I.E. no "dump it all" crap. I put a lot of personal money into this and I lost almost all of it trying to "sweeten the deal" by (example) gifting 100 BTC to BMF investors in motion 80, or donating 4,000 of my personal shares to NYAN.B to put a smile on .C shareholder's faces. I feel that should be taken into account by a fair arbiter.

What do you think of an idea like that, repentance? In return... I want peace. That's it. I want peace from these accusations, forever.

Actually I will be honest with you about something. At this point, looking down the new year 2013, and realizing I will have to spend the next six months of my life fighting BCB, I am actually willing to agree to something like this right now. When I said I was sick earlier I meant it. I have some very important things to take care of in my life this year, like my kids growing up, that I don't want to miss. When I worked on BMF, NYAN, and CPA I threw my whole heart into it and I spent 10 hours a day or more on the computer trading and talking to asset issuers. I actually don't want to go back to that place even if it's reasonably successful. I just want the accusations to stop and to get on with my life. So actually if BCB is open to something like this maybe we can start moving in that direction.

Let's be honest. There are dozens of accusations. What will probably happen is many will be found without merit (i.e. kongzi.ca/BCB/misrepresent1) and some will end up at the very least unprovable. Given how I've been dogged seeking a resolution in that manner is probably better than wasting my life responding to allegations no one can prove but everyone believes anyways. So that's my idea.

kongzi.ca/BCB/misrepresent1

Can you, or can't you respond to the evidence I have provided to you since Dec. 30th (with updates yesterday)?

There are now more than a dozen accusations you've made against me in your locked thread, which seems to grow every day. So I'm just dealing with it one step at a time, see?

Let's also put a sunset clause on this if you don't mind. When I respond to one of your claims, and you refuse or are unable to explain your reasoning in light of the evidence I provide within seven days, the complaint should be resolved in my favor. What do you think, is that fair?

One of the ways you can demonstrate you are being fair (read: that you are worth responding to) is if you admit it is actually possible for me to be innocent. Especially before you have heard my response. If you can't do this then you have no value as an arbiter, which is what you propose yourself to be here.

After all, there's no point in us listening to you go on about how I misrepresented how I valued my assets, where your sole evidence is a quote that shows me cutting and pasting the actual formula from the spreadsheet. Can we move on to something a little more substantial now?

It's 2:44am in Japan now. All the NYAN and BMF spreadsheets were shown with last update times in JST. I've mentioned dozens of times I live in asia. You are merely demonstrating that you are operating from a position of lack of information. Your "I rest my case" is equivalent to "I do not have all the facts, but I state my opinion as fact in order to sound credible". You have become pathetic.

You have shown yourself to be clueless, biased, and a very poor arbiter. As you have agreed to become a central clearing house for complaints against me there is now a very good chance that as of this moment you have received, and posted, all of the factual evidence you have against me - especially as you have issued conclusions regarding me in your locked thread. Therefor I will use what gift you have given me, and move on to the next complaint you have posted evidence for in due course.

Thank you and have a nice day.

p.s. This is an example of what a wonderful service you have been to me:


Vampire is constantly spewing new and different accusations against me. The fact that he has not posted any evidence, and that you have not either is tantamount to admission that there is no evidence, and that there is no merit to the accusation. Therefore, why bother responding? Let vampire and you live in your own little world. But the moment you post evidence, I will respond to the claim. Note: Evidence has to exist for it to be posted.

Yes I can verify it, check the screenshots on the web page. Times and dates are included. Then again, you can't independently verify anything, can you? You can't even independently verify that I made the actual quote because I deleted my posts. I've already given permission for Theymos to undelete whatever he wants so your point is moot. Here's what I've posted on the webpage kongzi.ca/BCB/misrepresent1

Status of Case #1:

I believe I have provided sufficient evidence to show that I did not misrepresent how I valued assets in this case.

Dec 30, 2012: BCB has been notified of this response in PM and on the forums in replies to his posts. I have not received a response from BCB nor has he changed his outlook on this case in his locked thread.

Jan 2, 2013: Vampire has essentially stated he is unwilling and/or unable to respond to the evidence presented on this webpage. As he is unwilling to continue his case against me, I propose the matter closed in my favor until such time as he becomes able to respond to the evidence I have provided. Reference: https://bitcointalk.org/index.php?topic=113708.msg1429160#msg1429160

Have a nice day vampire. I'm sorry you hate me, but you lost this round. I'll be moving on to the next accusation in due course.

Please, feel free to explain why you believe I misrepresented how I value assets by cutting and pasting the actual formula from the spreadsheet any time you want.

Edit:

It also doesn't say I was using average. It says nothing. You have to stay focused and remember the charge is that I misrepresented how I valued my assets. The charge we are dealing with is not that I misrepresented my assets, or that I did not disclose how I was valuing my assets.

The reason why the announcement is proof is that it shows I did not misrepresent how I valued my assets. The reason why posting the formula right beside the typo with a footnote is because it shows I did not misrepresent how I valued my assets. The reason why the screenshots showing the formula are proof is because it is clear that was the formula in use. At no time did I ever lead any investor to believe I was using an average formula rather than a max formula. If any investor thought that they would have been quickly corrected because I posted corrections not only to the forum, but directly on the spreadsheet, within hours. Additionally anyone following the discussion would have seen my responses to you correcting your misunderstanding.

Your claim is ridiculous.

And I must say, your continued insistence of this is becoming depraved. You're begging; grasping at straws; and it's obvious.

At no time did I misrepresent how I valued assets. Therefore, this case is closed; I've responded to it. The fact you continue just shows you're biased. I hope you understand that I will never, ever get a scammer tag for this. It's just not logical anymore.

We can move on to the next accusation now unless you can come up with some other evidence that I was misrepresenting how I valued the assets.

Not only did you just quote me citing the webpage, but:


It appears you are unable (or more likely, unwilling) to respond to the evidence I have provided. When I get some time I will note on the webpage you and BCB are refusing to respond to the evidence I have provided, and therefore you have admitted, in principle, you cannot continue with that accusation against me.

Looks like one down, fifty six to go.

You know I posted this on kongzi.ca/BCB because you said you saved those pages to your hard drive. Additionally, I announced kongzi.ca/BCB/misrepresent1 in the "Response to BCB" locked thread. But for what it's worth, there's your citation. Take your time, it's new years. Relax man, have a beer. It's not so serious. We'll work through it, I'm not going anywhere. Trust me.

So you're saying that I did not publish the max formula in a footnote tied directly to the statement where I said "average"?

So you're saying that I did not publish in NYAN shareholder letter 38, dated September 23rd, four days before your complaint, that we were moving to a script-based formula?

So you're saying that I did not edit the spreadsheets to use the max formula (as posted in the footnote) on or before September 23rd, and not changed the formula at all since, even to this day?

Because right now it's looking like you're more than biased. Right now it's looking like you're wrong. Care to respond to the above?

No, I have provided factual, material evidence that I had a) announced the new valuation in a shareholder letter four days before your complaint, b) published the new formula on the webpage four days before your complaint, and c) did not change the formula when I added the plaintext copy of the formula to the BMF webpage in order to avoid any possible future misunderstanding.

Additionally it is blatantly obvious you are just looking for an excuse to blame me, as I published the actual formula cut-and-paste from the spreadsheet right beside my explanation of the formula. If you are really so blind and desperate that this is the only way you can accuse me of scamming, then your grasping of straws has become obvious and it is clear you have no real evidence against me. BCB's jumping to conclusions and accusing me of stealing company funds and of editing the document "to cover up etc." without posting any evidence whatsoever and not allowing me time to respond to the claims, just underscores how ridiculous you have become.


So you admit that you aren't considering fact and evidence in your evaluation of me? Thanks. I'll be sure to make a note of that.


Third option.


Let's play a game. You respond to the evidence I have provided and we'll move on to the next accusation. Eventually we will cover every accusation that BCB has made in his locked thread. If you are unable to do this then it's clear you have no response to the evidence I have provided, and you have no case. As it stands you seem incapable of dealing with what is actually being presented. Your self-admitted bias is causing you to lose this debate.

Update:

I will be shipping items which have been agreed to be purchased tomorrow. If you have sent me an address in PM, you should receive a photo of a shipping invoice with tracking number on it within 24 hours from the time of this post.

Thanks again for your interest. About half the gold and silver was sold. If anyone's interested in the rest I will quote what's available after I do the shipping tomorrow.

Good luck and happy stacking!