Negrito meu.

Você não acha que está menosprezando uma etapa consideravelmente complicada?

Yes and no... I guess many only donated because it was a bitcoin donation, not an USD one. I really feel as if EFF was dishonoring their bitcoin donors, although I understand their fear of government. So maybe the best would be to try to return the money to the donors, and those who really want to donate it to the EFF will do the conversion and donation themselves.

If you put them in the faucet, the chance of that happening is much higher, IMHO.

I find it a pity that they are not willing to use that money to promote electronic freedom. That was the purpose the money was donated to. They are dishonoring their donors and supporters. Shame on EFF.

I also find it dangerous to put that much amount of money in the Faucet. It will probably get stolen.

I agree many are ugly, but instead of complaining, why don't you do better ones, OP?
Many of these sites are made by entrepreneurs geeks which have no budget to buy the services of professional web designers. Give them a break, they are at least doing what they can.
And, well, the quality of such sites is improving. Most were uglier before.

You know what is even much less likely to happen than a free society? A world without intentional murders. I just can't imagine that happening... can you?
And, just wondering, knowing that intentional murders will probably always happen, do you by conclusion support a minimum number of murders so everything keeps working fine, as we know it?

Neither deflation nor inflation are theft. The value of your property is not an intrinsic feature of your property. If the acts of some people increase or decrease the value of your property, without affecting the property itself, this is not a crime at all. It's valid for any kind of property.

The true aggression in modern times inflation is the fact that people are forced to accept the money the government monopolizes as means of payment. And then the government can inflate this money at its own profit. The ethical problem isn't on inflation itself, it is in money monopoly.
And besides the aggression of the money monopoly, there's the aggression of intellectual property too. Nobody owns an image. If you want to print a particular image in a particular piece of paper, nobody has the right to kidnap you for that. And that includes printing dollar bills, or any fiat money bills. Of course, that would change if such image represented a contract. You cannot make a contract in the name of somebody else, that's fraud. So, although counterfeiting dollar bills is perfectly legitimate from an ethical point of view, counterfeiting bills redeemable in bitcoin or whatever else is a contract fraud, since you'd be saying somebody else will pay your debt, without the authorization of this person.

I received. I haven't yet checked the PGP signature that came with it though. I didn't use the same password for both sites, but it was reset anyway.

Idem comigo... Sorte que a senha da minha conta MtGox não era a mesma de nenhum outro lugar.

hehehe, it's quite ironic that you cite Wikipedia.org. I don't know any site with more heated political debates than wikipedia! They are all over the site. And yet that doesn't make, afaik, people judge the whole encyclopedia by the political opinions of those who they see discussing there.

And talking about being official sites, all these sites you mention have organizations behind them, like the Mozilla foundation or the Wikimedia foundation. Although you still cannot rigorously talk about an "official firefox project decision", you can pretty much talk about an "official Mozilla foundation decision on firefox development", and that's what you'll see reflected on mozilla.org.
Now, for bitcoin, there's no actual institution behind it. Its organization is entirely spontaneous. It really doesn't make much sense to take the political debates in this forum as an "official position" of the "bitcoin project" or anything alike. Honestly, I find it ... how can I say... a quite poor discernment, at the very least.


I agree that the forum has become impossible to follow, and many silly political discussions have their share on that. But I'd be satisfied with better ways to filter the content that you want, like, for ex., when you click "show unread threads", it would be nice to be able to filter out entire categories.

Anyways, it's not up to me to decide anything, just giving my opinion.


Please, nobody is squatting anything. Individuals maintain this site, with all its infrastructure, for us to use freely. They don't charge anyone anything, neither ask donations. At least be decent enough to recognize their generous contribution instead of attacking them like that.


Now legitimately owning something is the same of taking it hostage?

Afaik, it's sirius who owns bitcoin.org, not theymos.

I don't. And this isn't a democracy, it is private property. It's up to sirius to decide in the end.

Finally! That's what I've been trying to say.

Weusecoins.com was created precisely with this intend of being a "PR site", for newbies and all. Just promote that site if you don't want to create a new one.

Do you know what an open source project is? There is no organization behind bitcoin, it has no owners, no official representatives.
Bitcoin.org is only a site which has been used by all to discuss and evolve the project, and it is not hostage to anyone, it is owned by a very generous individual - afaik, he's keeping the infrastructure with his own money, earning nothing out of it.


I thought about this thing of limiting the scope of the forum, and I must admit that there would be at least one advantage: it would be less impractical to follow it. Today, I just can't, most threads have to go ignored. But I'm still not sure suppressing non-development discussions is a good move. If everything is properly categorized, RSS per categories would help to ignore those you don't want to follow.

Esse tipo de notícia, ao meu ver, é mais negativa à imagem do projeto do que notícias do SilkRoad.
Foda.

Alguém tem conta no G1 pra explicar com um comentário que isso não é uma fragilidade do projeto em si, mas sim do usuário que tentou guardar muitas moedas por conta própria mas não tomou muitos cuidados? (usar windows, deixar as bitcoins descriptografadas e na mesma máquina que usa para navegar etc)

This is probably true. All this mumbling about illegal trading and money laundering are merely excuses.

Me neither. If there are known interfaces with the banking system, it can be shut down. Actually, if exchanges like MtGox are ever shut down, it will be through their bank account.

The only way I can see a fully distribute exchange software operating is in a OTC fashion. But that also make it painful for those needing to deal with large amounts. Unless, maybe, there is some (semi-)automated way to verify the credentials of those you're trading with, and also automate multiple bank transfers.
But well, those operating with large amounts must either do it legally - what imply they cannot use bitcoins in a bitcoin prohibition scenario - or must be professional money launders, who I don't think really need help. Maybe we should focus precisely on those poorer ones who live in places where bitcoin happens one day to be forbidden.

Alphaville are just big and rich condos, they have no political independence.

I don't see why you all are so scandalized with the idea of paying people for advertising the site... that doesn't imply they are scammers. I wouldn't call it bribery either. It is just one among many techniques of advertising, like when companies pay celebrities to "speak good" about their products on TV.