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9801  Other / Politics & Society / Re: One in five British Muslims have sympathy for those joining ISIS on: November 23, 2015, 10:55:29 PM
I understand why they have sympathy for women going over to Syria IF it's because of women who wear the hijab being attacked much more. I mean, the women who wear the hijab might be thinking why should they stay and be attacked when they can live in Syria amongst others who follow the same religion? I'm guessing it'll not be what they're expecting though when they get over there. The idiots who are attacking them are just giving IS exactly what they want. Honestly, there's some right thickos out there.

I thought the violent minority of the immigrant Muslims doing all this raping preferred (or only did it) with the Western women, but I am not certain of that.
9802  Other / Politics & Society / Re: Who kill more in USA - 9/11 or "Falungong mindcontrol organization"? on: November 23, 2015, 10:51:48 PM
Who kill more innocent people in USA and take their money and property with support of US media?

---------------

 What Falun Gong Really Teaches

Samuel Luo

San Francisco, California

Abstract

In the West Falun Gong, founded by Li Hongzhi, has successfully marketed itself as an innocent victim of the Chinese government's repression. However, if one examines Falun Gong's teachings and practices closely, one finds that its image of being a spiritual exercise masks the centrality of its founder's god-like status and the cult-like use of deceptive and manipulative techniques to increase membership.

Ever since Falun Gong was banned by the Chinese government in July 1999, it has gained support and sympathy from human rights groups. By focusing just on its status as a victim of an oppressive regime, Falun Gong has also gained uncritical support from the media. As a result of all the favorable media attention, Falun Gong has been able to spread throughout the U.S., not only in the Chinese community but in the non-Chinese community as well. But what is the Falun Gong really about?

When Falun Gong was introduced to my parents in early 1999 in San Francisco, it was presented as an exercise that promised to improve health. I can’t describe how shocked I was when I heard my mother start talking about the aliens who live among us and saying that human society is bad, the end of world is coming, and Li Hongzhi, the founder of Falun Gong, is offering the last chance to save mankind. How did an exercise become a world-saving religion?

Since immigrating to the United States in 1998, master Li has promoted his Falun Gong as a Tai Chi like exercise ([1]) However Falun Gong (exercise of the Dharma wheel) is just the exercise component of Falun Dafa (great law of the Dharma wheel); both terms refer to a unique system of belief and exercises that were created by Li Hongzhi and first introduced in China in 1992. The free Falun Gong exercises work as a lure to recruit people into a system of belief that Li has described as “the highest principle of the universe.” In fact, Li has made it very clear to his followers that “those who only do the exercise but do not study the Dafa they are not disciples of Falun Dafa whatsoever” ([2]).

Li’s Falun Dafa is usually taught to newcomers after they feel comfortable with the exercises. In it you learn that only Falun Gong practitioners can detect the highest moral principles of the universe ([3]), the existence of mixed races is a serious problem ([4]), modern science is destroying mankind ([5]), and homosexuality is not the standard of being human ([6]). Yet to Li the worst thing that mankind can do is think negatively towards his Dafa (great truth): “Let me tell you, when this Fa-rectification [Li’s judgment day] matter is over, humankind will enter the next stage, and those people and beings who in their minds think that the Great Fa of the cosmos isn’t good will be the first weeded out” ([7]). The enlightened master also repeatedly warns his disciples that: “A Dafa disciple who fails to achieve the effect of the safeguarding and upholding Dafa has no way of reaching Consummation (Falun Dafa paradise)” ([8]).

While heavily borrowing Buddhist terms for his Dafa, Li portrays himself as a supernatural being whose teachings are superior to those of Sakyamuni (Buddha) and Jesus ([9]). Although Li has continually denied that Falun Gong is a religion, these denials are difficult to reconcile with his repeated claims that he is providing the only hope for mankind in this “Dharma-ending period” ([10]). In Zhuan Falun, the Bible of the group, he states simply: “If I cannot save you, nobody else can do it” ([11]).

But when the press interviews Li, he tends to hide his importance. In one interview he said: “Every time I see practitioners I tell them sitting before you is just a normal person. Don’t make me into a god” ([12]). This statement contradicts what he teaches his practitioners: “If you are a genuine practitioner, our Falun [the law wheel Li installs in his practitioners’ abdomens] will safeguard you,” he writes in Zhuan Falun. “I am rooted in the universe. If anyone could harm you, he would be able to harm me. To make it plainly, he would be able to harm the universe” ([13]).

Oddly enough, since the Chinese Government’s crackdown of the group in July 1999, Li has offered the least support of all to his practitioners. While he urges his practitioners to fight for him regardless of their own life ([14]), he is enjoying a safe and presumably luxurious life in the United States. It’s painful to see innocent people putting themselves at risk and getting hurt while chasing a delusion.

A group leader claiming that he is the only one who knows the truth of the universe or that he is the only savior of the world, a group using deception to recruit new members and not allowing room for questions or alternative viewpoints—these are some of the characteristics of a cult. Cults also use mind control techniques to manipulate their followers. This manipulation is designed to disrupt a person’s authentic identity and replace it with a new identity. Individuals are deceptively and aggressively recruited, and through socialization new members learn to follow what other members do; slowly, they are influenced to think as the others do. Dependence, conformity, and obedience to the leader’s absolute authority are encouraged constantly. Looking at Falun Gong from the outside, one might think these practitioners have made their own choice. But would anyone join the Falun Gong if they knew that they were going to be taught that Li is the personal savior of the world? No, they all think that they are just joining a healthy exercise group.

One of the most important and common methods that cults use to control their followers can be called “exclusion of the outside world.” Cult members are taught not to trust people outside of the group, including family members. This component of mind control is definitely found in the Falun Gong teachings. Falun Gong practitioners are made to distrust the moral thinking of non-practitioners who are called “ordinary people.” This is done intentionally by master Li, who repeatedly teaches: “As a practitioner you cannot act according to the ordinary people’s standards” ([15]). This manipulation technique not only isolates practitioners from non-practitioners, including family members and friends, but also creates a system where practitioners only share information with other practitioners. As a result, practitioners mutually reinforce each other’s belief in the teachings, thereby eliminating any conflicting or alternative views.

By reading Cults in Our Midst, written by the leading cult expert Dr. Margaret Singer, I came to recognize that all these mind control techniques have been used on my parents. Since the beginning of 1999, they have practiced the exercises two hours a day and studied Li’s books every day. They have hung Li’s portrait in our living room, and have gotten rid of all religion and exercise books except those of Falun Gong. After the crackdown on the group, my mother not only donated money to the Falun Gong, but was also asked by the organization to distribute flyers and other materials on the streets and protest in front of the Chinese embassy. I estimate that she spent at least nine hours a day, almost seven days a week, doing Falun-Gong-related activities until January 2002, when her husband had a stroke. Falun Gong has become her life. This is also true for other devoted Falun Gong practitioners.

What worries me the most is that ever since my parents became Falun Gong practitioners they have abandoned seeking medical treatment when needed. In Zhuan Falun, Li claims that his practitioners’ illnesses will be cured directly by him ([16]). Since illness and suffering are considered opportunities to repay the debt of karma, seeking medical help denies a practitioner this opportunity. He writes: “taking medication during practice implies that you do not believe in the disease curing effects of the practice. If you believed in it, why would you take medication?” ([17]) Due to this teaching my stepfather suffered unnecessarily during previous attacks of gout and flu.

Worrying about my parent’s health and trying to protect them from this cult, I started to question Li’s teachings long before my stepfather’s stroke. In so doing, I sadly discovered how greatly their world view had changed. In stating their belief that Li has supernatural power, that the world is coming to an end, that sickness is caused by bad deeds, and that demons are everywhere, I realized that they had been brainwashed. Our discussion soon turned into debate and then argument. To my shock my mother called me evil.

After our second argument I moved out. Living at home with my parents had become painful and uneasy. It hurts me to see them hurting themselves and I can’t do a thing about it. I have even started to feel anxiety, anger, and sadness.

When my stepfather had a stroke in January; my mother, sister and I were traveling in China. He went without medical treatment for approximately five days. While he was alone in the house two friends came to visit him and offered to take him to the hospital. Although the right side of his body was paralyzed he was able to open the door for his friends. He could have gone to the hospital at that time, but he refused due to his belief in Li’s teachings. Days later my sister returned home and found him sick. She had to beg and cry for him to go to the hospital. When he finally got to the hospital, the doctor pointed out that he could have died if he hadn’t been treated for another two days. He was in the hospital for a month.

Today, Falun Gong practitioners can be seen everywhere. They have set up at least fifty permanent exercise sites throughout the Bay area, seven of them in San Francisco, one in front of City Hall. Throughout the U.S., they have hundreds of practice sites, about seventy web sites, radio shows, TV broadcasts, and their own newspaper. The Falun Gong group has perhaps become the fastest growing quasi-religious cult in the U.S.

Beneath Li’s superficial teachings oftruthfulness, compassion and forbearance” are teachings that are intolerant of dissent and homophobic, that discourage sick people from seeking needed medical treatment and that manipulate followers to blindly follow Li’s absolute authority. Unfortunately while the media has focused only on the human rights issues in China, it has failed to educate Americans about how deceptive and harmful the Falun Gong can be in our own country.
Endnotes



[1] . Li Hongzhi, “Eye of the Storm” Interview in New York Times Magazine (August 8, 1999), p.19. Excerpts from the interview:

Question: Is Falun Gong a religion? Does it require faith?

Li: It is a practice that can remove illnesses, keep people fit and make one live longer. Like Tai Chi, it’s a morning exercise. People practicing Falun Gong are expected to follow the principles of truthfulness, compassion and forbearance.

Question: Falun Gong has been described as a cult. Is that description fair?

Li: A cult advocates end-of-the world theories and leads people to do many bad things. I am only teaching people the practice for healing and fitness.


[2] Li Hongzhi, “What is Cultivation Practice?” (September 6, 1996) Essentials for Further Advancement, English Version


[3] See: Zhuan Falun, 2nd editio n, p. 27: "An ordinary person cannot detect the existence of the characteristic of Zhen-Shan-Ren [Zhen-Shan-Ren is the sole Criterion to Judge Good and Bad People] in the universe because all ordinary people are at the same level. When you reach beyond the level of ordinary people, you will be able to detect its existence."


[4] See: Falun Dafa Lecture (Sydney, Australia), p.29. "The races in the world are not allowed to be mixed up. Now, the races are mixed up and it has brought about an extraordinarily serious problem . . . Mixed races have lost their roots, as if nobody in the paradise will take care of them. They belong to nowhere."


[5] See: “Interview with Li Hongzhi” Time Magazine Asia (May 10, 1999). "I know that modern science is destroying mankind. Aliens have already constructed a layer of cells in human beings. The development of computers dictates this layer of body cells to control human culture and spirituality and in the end to replace human beings."


[6] See: Falun Dafa Lecture (Sydney, Australia), p. 14.


[7] Li Hongzhi, Teaching the Fa at the Great Lakes Fa Conference in North America (December 9, 2000, Ann Arbor, Michigan). Falun Dafa web site under “Guiding the Voyage” (www.falundafa.org/eng/books.ht.), p.5.


[8] Li Hongzhi, “Fa-Rectification Period Dafa Disciples,” Essentials for Further Advancement II, Falun Dafa web site under “The Falun Dafa Books/Other Writings of Mr. Li Hongzhi” (www.falundafa.org/eng/books.htm), item #40. Actually, consummation has different meanings in Li’s teachings. It can mean enlightenment in this world as well as ascension beyond this world to another realm. As used here, it’s the second meaning. In this teaching Li goes on to tell his disciples: “As you consummate your own paradises you are, at the same time, eliminating your last karma, gradually getting rid of your human thoughts, and truly stepping forward from humanness. . . .So this isn’t a matter of reaching Consummation in ordinary realms, nor is it achievable in ordinary Consummation.” In item # 8 of Essentials for Further Advancement II, Li’s idea of consummation seems to parallel the Christian idea of the rapture: “When the day of Consummation arrives, the great disclosure of the truth will leave the world in amazement.”


[9] Li Hongzhi, Falun Dafa Lecture at the First Conference in North America (March 29-30, 1998, New York City), Falun Dafa website under “Books by the Master” (www.falundafa.com.hk/eng/engdefault.htm), Internet Version, March 2000, p. 14. The full quote is: “In the past, many came to teach Fa, such as Buddha, the Western God Jesus Christ, and even Jehovah. All of them gathered people together, fearing that otherwise people wouldn’t study it well or would drop down. So people were assembled to practice cultivation together. Sakyamuni required his disciples to have their heads shaved and put on kasayas. The disciples of Jesus entered monasteries. I’m telling you that the reason they did that was because the Fa they preached was lesser. They couldn’t save people without such requirements. In contrast, today we have such an enormous Fa that we certainly dare to open things up and leave everything to you.”


[10] Li Hongzhi, Zhuan Falun, 2nd edition, p.101 and elsewhere. The full quote is: “I am the only person in the world who is teaching orthodox Fa in public. I have done something nobody did in the past and opened such a large door in the Dharma-ending time.”


[11] Li Hongzhi, Zhuan Falun, 2nd edition, p. 317.


[12] J. S. Greenberg, “A ‘Passive’ Recipient: Falun Gong Leader Seems Modest – And in Control” Special to ABCNEWS.com. (August 20, 1999), p.2.


[13] Li Hongzhi, Zhuan Falun, p.44.


[14] Li Hongzhi, Essentials for further advancement ii in Eliminate your last attachment(s) he stated:

Since you are qualified, true cultivators who have met the standard, you cannot be threatened by loss of money or material interests; what is more, these cultivators can even let go of life and death: how could they fear the threat of death?. . . It is in fact time to let go of your last attachments. As cultivators, you already know that you should, and in your action you have, let go of all worldly attachments (including the attachment to the human body) and have made it through the process of letting go of life and death.. . . So as for your last attachment, you must be sure to let go of it. I know all of the suffering of my disciples. The truth is, I treasure you more than you treasure your self!

Since the crackdown, Li has repeatedly warned his practitioners that if they don’t do a good enough job in “standing up for the Dafa” in China they may suffer serious consequences, including jeopardizing their chances to reach Falun Gong paradise In Teaching the Fa at the Great Lakes Fa Conference in North America (Ann Arbor, December 9, 200) he stated:

Most students have, in various ways, stepped forward to validate the Dafa . . .On the other hand, those who haven’t stepped forward, have hidden themselves, and have sided in their understanding with the evil beings – how could they still be Dafa disciples? . . . For example, some students were arrested and imprisoned. When they couldn't endure the severe torture, they wrote repentance statements . . .But this is unacceptable.


[15] Li Hongzhi, Zhuan Falun (English Version) 2nd Edition (Hong Kong: April, 1998), Lecture Four, p. 165.


[16] Li Hongzhi, Zhuan Falun, English Version, second edition (Hong Kong: Falun Fo Publishing Company, 1998), p. 126. The full quote is: “Your illnesses will be cured directly by me. Those who practice at the exercise sites will have my Fashen to cure their illnesses.”


[17] Li Hongzhi, Falun Gong, English Version, revised edition, Falun Dafa website under “Books by the Master” www.falundafa.com.hk/eng/engdefault.htm), p. 82.


http://www.icsahome.com/articles/what-falun-gong-really-teaches

This is incredible.  Did you actually go through that whole thing and highlight all that stuff?
9803  Other / Politics & Society / Re: Why do people hate islam? on: November 23, 2015, 10:47:15 PM
There may be serious dedicated fighters who believe they are Muslim, but they are not true Muslims -- they are not following Mohammed's example. The Jihadists are following Mohammed's example by trying to strike terror into the hearts of unbelievers. Most Muslims, like most Christians, are just average people who know almost nothing about their religion.
I understand your point of view, but to me it simply indicates that Islam is a flawed belief system.  Note, believers think it is a "perfect" system, but then their vision of Perfect varies wildly between sects.  That is why I view it as algorithmically flawed, unless the various interpretations gravitate somehow toward a common central goal.

Any idea what that common central goal is?
[/quote]
A common central goal of expanding the number of people and the number of countries with a significant Muslim presence, with higher levels of kowtowing to Muslim beliefs, with the end goal of world domination, should not be ruled out.

Both peaceful and barbaric methods do seem to be operating in this fashion.
9804  Other / Politics & Society / Re: (°_°) facts.org.cn Falun Gong - 法輪功, A racist and sexist cult \(^o^)/ on: November 23, 2015, 08:19:46 PM
Falungong cult murderer sentenced to death
www.chinaview.cn 2003-12-31 19:26:40

    HANGZHOU, Dec. 31 (Xinhuanet) -- A Falungong cult follower who poisoned and killed 15 innocent people was given death penalty by a court in east China's Zhejiang province Tuesday afternoon.

    Chen Fuzhao, an assistant clinician in a small hospital in Cangnan county, was found to have poisoned 15 vagrant beggars and trash pickers by giving them beverages mixed with rat poison from May 25 to June 27, 2003.......

VERSUS-
......
instead of practicing forbearance, the Chinese Communist Party is executing Dafa practitioners after harvesting their organs. They are the ones that need rehabilitation because they are slaughtering human beings.

Well, which story is true?
   
9805  Other / Politics & Society / Re: Western Forces in Middle East on: November 23, 2015, 08:13:02 PM

The average guy in Saudi Arabia may be getting shafted, but it's by the princes not the contractors at the wells.

Same in Venezuela, etc.

Its not quite the same in Venezuela, no.

The oil revenue goes towards funding decent social housing.

Whereas the revenue in Saudi goes towards this :-



- its so the young Saudi/Kuwait/Qatar "in crowd" can come to London to avoid the hot summers in their homelands. The streets are full of em in London - racing up and down like they fuckin own the place, apparently.



So no - its not quite the same.
LOL, y it's not quite the same, no.

9806  Other / Politics & Society / Re: Epic fail, "wrong terrorist bombing Russians" are USA aircrafts "for USA market" on: November 23, 2015, 07:15:42 PM
"For the first time, the US is attacking oil delivery trucks."  Accompanied by shots with the Cyrillic lettering. Seems legit. Cheesy


So, now they're stealing official video, which was published russian ministry of defence, and trying to present it as the result of their airstrikes. Lol, what a shame.
Yeah its ridiculous, but from who?

Isn't the news feed made up by news network?   So PBS are the idiots?
9807  Other / Politics & Society / Re: Western Forces in Middle East on: November 23, 2015, 07:01:17 PM


I guess you really didn't answer my questions, though.  I mean for example, NO, Exxon is not an "Owner," right? 

I don't know who "owns" the oil on paper - but I know who owns it in practice, and in the realpolitik world of shareholder dividends and corporate executive payouts and bonuses.

Listen - suppose Mrs. Practical Dreamer and myself only get to see each other for 10 minutes a day. This is around 8 am when she kindly prepares for me my breakfast (porridge (made with water - and no syrup BTW) - so nothing to write home about). For the other 23 hours 50 minutes a day she is busy round at Spendulus's house being his whore (and he's been known to have a penchant for S+M - so its not pretty) and baking him all manner of expensive cuisine - do you think I can still rightfully call Mrs. Dreamer my wife ?

I mean, we still have the marriage certificate, we haven't been divorced.

But still...

Certainly someone can effectively be an owner, although on paper it's someone else.

One simple way to look at that would be the total revenue from a well or field, versus the percentage that the contract manager kept.

Is it reasonable?  What is reasonable?

As an example, I don't know any apartment managers who would claim that they or their company effectively owned the apartment buildings due to their deals made for management.

A field produces crude, then it goes in a ship or pipeline and heads to a refinery.  Then you get a variety of products output that go different places.

These transactions are all very competitive, price wise.

The average guy in Saudi Arabia may be getting shafted, but it's by the princes not the contractors at the wells.

Same in Venezuela, etc.
9808  Other / Politics & Society / Re: to Europeans: can you please try explain to me why your countries accept Muslims on: November 23, 2015, 06:53:35 PM

ts simple. Because the European countries are controlled by Zionist Jews and Freemasons. Thats why.
Suuuurrrrreeee.

The Evil Jews are working to bring millions of Muslims into Europe.

That's a good one.

Lol...

Well, it could be effective in furthering a Zionist objective.  Europe seems to be less inclined to support the type of ethnic cleansing required to achieve a 'greater Israel' than we here in the U.S. for some reason.  Pumping Europe full of criminals and associating their crimes with Islam probably would create an equivalence between what the masses want/need to do in Europe and what the Zionist wish to do in the Middle East.  An equivalence in the 'herd mind' at least, that that is all-important.

I'm certainly not saying that this is happening.  All I am doing is mulling over some of the 'motive' parts of a 'means, motive, opportunity' equation.  It is up to those who are more interested to uncover positive or negative information about the other components.  I'll look at any evidence brought to the table with an open mind.


Wouldn't it be more likely that the movement of huge numbers of Muslims to Europe would be caused by people who say over and over they want to take over Europe....like Muslims?
9809  Other / Politics & Society / Re: Western Forces in Middle East on: November 23, 2015, 06:27:07 PM
During Chinas unprecedented recent economic development they too were in need (are in need) of the black gold. They too looked towards Venezeula - a country with the 2nd largest reserves of crude on the planet. They too noted that the reserves were in the hands of the nation of Venezeula, via the Petróleos de Venezuela, S.A.
  Do a bit of reading and compare and contrast the approaches of China vs. the US, with regards their respective foreign policy re. Venezeula - cos I think there might be an important lesson to learn here.




You really think Exxon is basically a warmonger?  Any idea how quickly people in Houston working for Exxon would laugh at that?

The Execs in Houston would be laughing at one of us and it wouldn't be me. They know the score as well as I do - as does the oil baron family of the Bushes who were responsible for invading Iraq in the first place.

Liberal delusional thinking, and more that of the 1980s than today.

Let's hear it.  Who do you think OWNS the oil fields?

Do you have a problem with an OWNER of an oil field hiring competent international companies to run it for maximum profit?

If so, who would you exclude from their bidder list and why?

Don't tell me - the West is "facilitating" the development of underdeveloped nations. We are saving them from themselves. LOL

Listen man, I have neither the time nor inclination to educate you - but for an ABC intro to international relations you might want to look perhaps at Dependency Theory.

  Its a little outdated now - but in essence still holds a lot of water. In particular, look into how, in the Metropolis- Satellite relationship, TPTB have a tendency to patronise ,or otherwise install, a well rewarded regime (I'm looking at you House of Saud) that whilst furthering the interests of (themselves and) TPTB have absolutely no qualms about fucking their own people up the arse, so to speak.





As a side note - its interesting, looking at the Politics/Society section of BCTalk, that at the moment at least (immediate aftermath of Paris attacks) there seems to be some recognition of the underlying issues re. the Middle East.
   Yes, you have the "all guns blazing crowd" - and the market is paramount crowd - but overall its quite encouraging.

ps. I nearly forgot the thick as pigshit lunatic crowd, who are always well represented herein.
Huh

Most of the guys I know on international refinery jobs have very different points of view.  First, they tend to know a lot about the host country and their company's relationship with it.  So it's all nuanced a thousand ways away from your generalizations.  These guys don't talk about subjects like "facilitating the development of underdeveloped nations," they are simply doing contract jobs at a site.  Also, they are of many nationalities, political and cultural types.  Indian, Arab, Pakistani, US, British, German, etc.  So I just can't relate your ideas of a sort of grand Bush conspiracy to give third world assets to Exxon, sorry....

I guess you really didn't answer my questions, though.  I mean for example, NO, Exxon is not an "Owner," right?  And some prince isn't told who to give a job to, except by those higher up in his hierarchy. 
9810  Other / Politics & Society / Re: to Europeans: can you please try explain to me why your countries accept Muslims on: November 23, 2015, 04:16:46 PM
to Americans: can you please try explain to me why you completely fucked up Middle East and left Europe and Russia to deal with consequences?

to Rest of World:  Because it was your turn?  Because Russia likes her pipeline?  Because it was time for you to see how stupid your own leaders were, instead of just bitching about ours?  Because you've already forgotten about how much you liked Obama, so you helped put him in place?

Hell I don't know.  Got any more questions?
9811  Other / Politics & Society / Re: Up Like Trump on: November 23, 2015, 03:26:20 PM
TRUMP SURVEILLANCE STATE WILL COMBAT ISLAM

...
He was then asked if heightened surveillance would require the registration of Muslims in a database and mandate special identification.
“We’re going to have to—we’re going to have to look at a lot of things very closely. We’re going to have to look at the mosques. We’re going to have to look very, very carefully.”

...
The program had the characteristics of an advanced police state—mapping of Muslim communities, photo and video surveillance, police informants, police “rakers” (ethnic cops who blended in Muslim communities), the widespread tracking of individuals and intelligence databases of the sort Trump endorsed.

Muslims sued the NYPD over the program. In October the 3rd Circuit Court of Appeals found the Muslim plaintiffs raised sufficient allegations of equal-protection violations and reversed a decision made last year by a judge to dismiss the case.
Others have gone further than Trump in calling for draconian measures aimed at Muslims. For instance, David Bowers, a Democrat mayor in Virginia.

“I’m reminded that President Franklin D. Roosevelt felt compelled to sequester Japanese foreign nationals after the bombing of Pearl Harbor, and it appears that the threat of harm to America from ISIS now is just as real and serious as that from our enemies then,” Bowers said.

...http://www.infowars.com/trump-surveillance-state-will-combat-islam/

If Rand Paul has better ideas, let's hear them.  And please don't go off on a talkfest a la Ron Paul about isolationism.  Let's hear the specific ideas that will combat terrorism by terrorists.
9812  Other / Politics & Society / Re: to Europeans: can you please try explain to me why your countries accept Muslims on: November 23, 2015, 03:22:24 PM
Its simple. Because the European countries are controlled by Zionist Jews and Freemasons. Thats why.
Suuuurrrrreeee.

The Evil Jews are working to bring millions of Muslims into Europe.

That's a good one.

Lol...
9813  Other / Politics & Society / Re: One in five British Muslims have sympathy for those joining ISIS on: November 23, 2015, 03:20:24 PM



Quote
One in five British Muslims has sympathy for those who have travelled to Syria to join ISIS, a poll reveals today.

More than 5 per cent have 'a lot' of sympathy with young Muslims who leave the UK to join the fighting, with another 14.5 per cent having 'some' sympathy.

Among women, a quarter had at least some sympathy, the Survation poll conducted for The Sun revealed.
http://www.dailymail.co.uk/news/article-3329921/One-five-British-Muslims-sympathy-joining-ISIS.html

To the extent that ISIS becomes/is a state or should be considered such, and to the extent it is an enemy, those who advocate it may find themselves stripped of their citizenship.

It doesn't have to involve going to fight for them.

https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Naturalization#Denaturalization

Denaturalization is the reverse of naturalization, when a state deprives one of its citizens of his or her citizenship. From the point of view of the individual, denaturalization means "revocation" or "loss" of citizenship. Denaturalization can be based on various legal justifications. The most severe form is the "stripping of citizenship" when denaturalization takes place as a penalty for actions considered criminal by the state, often only indirectly related to nationality, for instance for having served in a foreign military. In countries that enforce single citizenship, voluntary naturalization in another country will lead to an automatic loss of the original citizenship; the language of the law often refers to such cases as "giving up one's citizenship" or (implicit) renunciation of citizenship. In another case, affecting only foreign-born citizens, denaturalization can refer to the loss of citizenship by an annulment of naturalization, also known as "administrative denaturalization" where the original act of naturalization is found to be invalid, for instance due to an administrative error or if it had been based on fraud (including bribery). In the US, the Bancroft Treaties in the 19th century regulated legislation concerning denaturalization.
9814  Other / Politics & Society / Re: Western Forces in Middle East on: November 23, 2015, 03:15:31 PM
During Chinas unprecedented recent economic development they too were in need (are in need) of the black gold. They too looked towards Venezeula - a country with the 2nd largest reserves of crude on the planet. They too noted that the reserves were in the hands of the nation of Venezeula, via the Petróleos de Venezuela, S.A.
  Do a bit of reading and compare and contrast the approaches of China vs. the US, with regards their respective foreign policy re. Venezeula - cos I think there might be an important lesson to learn here.




You really think Exxon is basically a warmonger?  Any idea how quickly people in Houston working for Exxon would laugh at that?

The Execs in Houston would be laughing at one of us and it wouldn't be me. They know the score as well as I do - as does the oil baron family of the Bushes who were responsible for invading Iraq in the first place.

Liberal delusional thinking, and more that of the 1980s than today.

Let's hear it.  Who do you think OWNS the oil fields?

Do you have a problem with an OWNER of an oil field hiring competent international companies to run it for maximum profit?

If so, who would you exclude from their bidder list and why?
9815  Other / Politics & Society / Re: Western Forces in Middle East on: November 23, 2015, 02:30:38 PM

Oil companies of course have gone into third world nations and bought land, developed the resource, made deals with the governments, etc. 

Oh - I see.

It all sounds so amicable.


We don't "GET" the oil from the middle east, it goes on the global market.

The Iraq War has cost the US about $1.1 trillion of taxpayers money in military spending [in addition to this between 1976 and 2007 the total cost of maintaining the US. military in the Persian Gulf was about $7 trillion]

ExxonMobil pulls out around $2.5 billion pa profit from its interests in Iraq - not least from the $4.2 billion sales, yes, you've guessed, back to the US military. Again, paid for by the taxpayer.
Seems like a pretty direct transference of wealth a) from the nation and people of Iraq to ExxonMobil  and   b) from the nation and taxpaying public of the US to ExxonMobil.
EM aren't the only ones.

And I'll not go into the human costs.


Yes, there's a market price of oil, which is currently being kept low via overproduction (punishing Putin) - but this isn't really the point I was making.



Are you saying that you think we are in the Middle East fighting a war on terror ?




Excuse me?  I only noted the obvious.  Are you on some kind of vendetta against Exxon?  And "market price is being kept low?"  Sez who, exactly?  I don't know of any fracking fields where someone up high is telling them how much to sell for.  Last I heard price was low because Saudis were making a futile effort to drive US frackers out of business.

I think you are confusing two separate issues entirely.  Not saying they do not overlap at times, but there's no conspiracy theory there.

You really think Exxon is basically a warmonger?  Any idea how quickly people in Houston working for Exxon would laugh at that?

before the US and friends liberated iraq, saddam was owning the oil-wells. who do you think owns them now?
did you hear about the "food for oil" programm?

also not only oil-producers like Exxon made a killing (pun intended) over there in iraq - look at security and constructions companies.
you will see a lot (it is really a lot) of them have connections to bush senior and junior in one or another way.

there should be enough articles @theguardian about it. (i will edit them tommorow - too lazy now)
who do you think owns them now?

I would hope the OWNERS give contracts for operation of their wells to competent international firms, US or otherwise.
9816  Other / Politics & Society / Re: (°_°) facts.org.cn Falun Gong - 法輪功, A racist and sexist cult \(^o^)/ on: November 23, 2015, 01:56:26 PM
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9817  Other / Politics & Society / Re: "Speaking Arabic customers" ban - racist morons in USA. on: November 23, 2015, 01:54:17 PM
This is not racist at all. This is a result of the fear that has been instilled in the general population by decades of MUSLIM terrorists blowing up planes, killing infidels, suicide bombing crowded places, beheading people, etc. Instead of making an ignorant statement like, "If that person doesn't feel safe, let them take the bus" perhaps these Arabic speakers should denounce the atrocities their Muslim brothers and sisters have been committing against the world. And if they, as they say, are American citizens, then why not speak English on a flight within the United States? It seems it is so much easier to throw out words like "racist" and "inbred morons" instead of stating the obvious like "we have a worldwide problem called 'Islamic terrorism' which needs to be addressed.

I can see how someone might not want to sit next to a Muslim, but then the Muslim talks with him and changes his mind.

By the same token, I know some muslims would refuse to denounce ISIS or suicide bombers.
9818  Other / Politics & Society / Re: to Europeans: can you please try explain to me why your countries accept Muslims on: November 23, 2015, 01:51:17 PM
Last economics studies explain that we'll benefit from 0.2 to 0.6% of growth from immigration.
Huh

This is nonsense.  If you add 5M people to a country with 100M, and they are equally productive, you should see 5% growth....
9819  Other / Politics & Society / Re: to Europeans: can you please try explain to me why your countries accept Muslims on: November 23, 2015, 03:50:26 AM
I agree with you I don't know how reliable these studies are. The data is difficult to verify and can be skewed easily.

What is more difficult to dispute is it's definitely a fact that almost all the countries the refugees come from have very low levels of women's rights.

So I don't understand if women are 50 percent of eu vote, how can they possibly think this ends well for them?

And maybe you're right. But if there aren't reliable studies to back it up all you are doing is speculating. You are speculating the refugees will behave that way in the new countries. That they are hostile as you posted above. That they will not integrate in the new society. Nor their descendents. And that they will only be a burden and a danger to society. Maybe someone else can speculate that for example a good amount of syrian refugees are normal people with skills who were productive in their society. And if given the chance will be in the new country too. Maybe someone else can make the case that most countries where refugees come from are dictatorships or failed states. Countries where moderate and progressive forces are killed or persecuted. So taking broad conclusions from all refugees is problematic. Without evidence, I don't know what the reality is. But I know that many are running for their lives. I don't believe what is being done is all that is necessary to solve the problem. But I have nothing against helping them as much as possible for now. Then a long term solution will need to stabilize the middle east. Not bombing it without pause. And destroying countries everywhere.

Muslim rape in England, this subject has been being discussed for years.

http://www.clarionproject.org/analysis/muslim-child-rape-gangs-britain#
9820  Other / Politics & Society / Re: (°_°) facts.org.cn Falun Gong - 法輪功, A racist and sexist cult \(^o^)/ on: November 23, 2015, 12:39:59 AM
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