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So 5000 posts of people screaming about their lost coin and so far the most anyone has done is one guy that emailed coindesk about it hoping they would do an expose. Nothing else has been done, right?
Yup, that's the about the size of it, dogechode. Tons of people out money, doing nothing. I'm not out anything, but staying on this because of the larger implications in the alt-world if this shit goes unpunished. I sent out emails to the reporters at a few sites and had the exchange take off of a few exchange lists. I'm American working between the US and Thailand, so my time and sleep are a bit thin right now. Apparently, nobody's out enough money to actually get them to email the newspapers local to the prime suspects, or anything requiring that amount of effort. So they ran a good scam. Take a good amount of money from a lot of people, but not enough to matter to the degree that anybody will do anything about it. Not the perfect crime, but the "good enough" crime. |
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I wonder how much money people lose. Still he point out it is beta everywhere, but at this point it all just goes too far.
The whole "beta" disclaimer BS is only exculpatory given that the user acknowledges that the site is still in testing status and that there are technical limitations; mistakes and glitches are part of the process and the site adminatrator is not responsible for mishaps under those conditions. It does NOT absolve the site manager from guilt for obvious fraud and misrepresentation. |
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So has anyone, even one single person, actually done ANYTHING like calling the relevant authorities and/or reporting fraud or has this all just been a massive exercise in e-penis size comparison?
AFAIK, I'm the only one who's done anything so far (I MAY BE WRONG), little though it is. I sent a description of the problem and issues and a and link to this forum to ALL the reporters/admins at cryptocointalk.com and coinbase.com . No interest. I guess they either feel it isn't of large enough importance or that they don't want to roil the bitcoin waters any more and jeopardize the delicate coin environment. Or, it may be that they just didn't read my email at all. I think there's enough information to go to reporters/newspapers in their locations in Norway and Estonia. I think that's easier than going to police, though I think that that is a necessary route, also. I've just arrived in Thailand from the States and I'm tired and off-hours to Euro. I think somebody Euro based should email/call the local news in Oslo and wherever in Estonia. Police also. I'm not out anything, since my account was a collection of small coins (about 4 BTC worth), but I got them out, since they weren't holding back my specific coins. I'm only concerned with this on the macro level, hoping these scams being punished will help solidify the alt-coin world, keeping my mining rigs worth something, anything. Let's go Euro-people!I'll be 100% behind you, or anyone else who can help prove that there was any crime committed here. BUT.... The police will still think we're just complaining that someone stole our secret sword in some abstract WoW world. There is no crime here. There never was. The fact is: if BTC is the same as fiat currency, then we have a case. If it is not, and it is a revolutionary way of holding value and wealth, then the established means of law enforcement is USELESS. Learn your lesson. That is all. -d Not sure you're right, but you probably are, regarding "established means of...", and for sure it's a reasonable start to a discussion. That uncertainty is why I pushed the newspaper/press route, rather than the police. There are so many intricacies in this "alt-world". Now, the IRS (US tax guys) just decided that in their eyes, BTC are not currency, but taxable property. But, given that this exchange is hosted outside the US, run by PERHAPS a Norwegian and/or Estonian, the IRS's take doesn't really matter. The jurisdiction question is way out there on this one, so we agree that if the police were involved, we're looking at unlikely precedent-setting occurrences here. Newspaper/press notoriety deal is more along the lines of societal/tribal punitive action that might be the only viable means of market regulation, given no government/regulatory hammer.The only place that we disagree is that I believe there IS a crime here. I think you believe there's a crime also, just not one that can be proven in the context of the overlapping jurisdictions and lack of clear rules for an unregulated, intangible commodity. That being said, precedents are set often, and this is a situation that should merit one, but I think we both know it's not happening. Thus, the media route is the only solution, if one exists. |
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So has anyone, even one single person, actually done ANYTHING like calling the relevant authorities and/or reporting fraud or has this all just been a massive exercise in e-penis size comparison?
AFAIK, I'm the only one who's done anything so far (I MAY BE WRONG), little though it is. I sent a description of the problem and issues and a and link to this forum to ALL the reporters/admins at cryptocointalk.com and coinbase.com . No interest. I guess they either feel it isn't of large enough importance or that they don't want to roil the bitcoin waters any more and jeopardize the delicate coin environment. Or, it may be that they just didn't read my email at all. I think there's enough information to go to reporters/newspapers in their locations in Norway and Estonia. I think that's easier than going to police, though I think that that is a necessary route, also. I've just arrived in Thailand from the States and I'm tired and off-hours to Euro. I think somebody Euro based should email/call the local news in Oslo and wherever in Estonia. Police also. I'm not out anything, since my account was a collection of small coins (about 4 BTC worth), but I got them out, since they weren't holding back my specific coins. I'm only concerned with this on the macro level, hoping these scams being punished will help solidify the alt-coin world, keeping my mining rigs worth something, anything. Let's go Euro-people! |
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IS ANYONE ACTUALLY READING ANY OF THIS TOPIC BEFORE ASKING ABOUT WITHDRAWLS OF COINS?? FFS!
ITS A SCAM - YOU ARE NOT GETTING YOUR BTC, THE OPERATOR POSTS HERE ONCE EVERY TWO WEEKS IF WE ARE LUCKY AND THE MOON IS LINED UP WITH SATURN, WHEN HE DOES HE PROVIDES ZERO DETAILS ON ANY BTC RETURN. FFS READ ANY OF THE LAST 50 PAGES BEFORE ASKING ABOUT $2 WORTH OF SH*TCOINS.
It looks like people have enough info on the K's to send emails and/or call their local newspaper in Norway and/or Estonia. A local reporter may really be interested an interesting story on the "new digital currency" and the ups and downs. I think somebody Euro-based could get on this. I'm western US right now, going back to Thailand on Sat, so I have time zone and weariness issues. I've already sent pm's to all the reporters at cryptocointalk, got no love. |
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Pretty much agree with the above.
There is no reason what so ever to withold BTC deposited after the hack was stopped. There has been no statement on this from coinmarket at all. This is cast iron proof that it is a scam. They have refunded absolutely no btc what so ever, they have provided no details on how much was stolen, they have provided no details on what percentage this is and they have provided NO details on deposits of btc after the hack.
They said that the lack of communication was due to a missunderstanding between pr people, yet there is still a lack of communication. This is an absolute scam. Until we get some actual facts and answers with regard to the btc, then this is 100% a scam.
Hey C3, don't you enjoy the somewhat perturbed/irritated posts from coinmarket.io? I know some guys have been spoofing him with fake accounts, but there's a lot of dark humor in this whole thing, although it's an expensive joke for some. Unfortunately, the two K's (Kenneth and Kiur) need to be "brought to book", as the Brits say. |
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I will be reporting the good news on twitter later.
Why not now? It apparently takes this cuntstick (if he's not just blowing smoke, it IS April Fool's day) WEEKS to put together a post on a forum. WHO FUCKING KNOWS how long it takes for him to put together a twitter post. I it's a fool's day joke, then I give you a B- on it, I think it'll be a tough audience on this one. |
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really guys no one received their btc so pls stop spaming this shit all the time they just process withdrawal shitcoins when this shitcoin isnt work anything - so meaby thats the plan - meaby theyre buying it for outs btc  Most of the people looking for coins are newbies or people that haven't read the old posts and thus, are unaware of the clusterfk situation. The rest of us are just sort of trying to figure out how this will play out and watching this ongoing meteor strike of incompetence/criminality in action. |
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I will be giving my months notice at my job tuesday. Will buy my plane ticket to Estonia wednesday and fly out beginning of May. So this gives Kiur a headstart to get out the country or get protection. Already have organised a place to stay in his town and know his current address. I will also make a video of the whole process, I don't care about getting caught or dying for a good cause. I want to take out a bad guy to make the world a better place. I will post my plane ticket next week All I ask is someone PM me the whole story from A to B on what has occurred so far and I will carry on from that point. There is a good chance he might kill me before I kill him and I will make sure to PM his details to everyone on these forums. I am giving it 3 months. Wish me luck and if he does return the btc I will stop the chase and video will never be made public. Since no one else is going to say it, I will. I hope you're only kidding here. I think people are interpreting it as a joke, but I'm not so sure. Maybe an April fools thing, I dunno. Either way, none of this is worth doing what you're suggesting. Hopefully you have some friends or family you can discuss any personal issues you might be going through at the moment. If not, feel free to shoot me a pm. Not sure I can help, but you get something off your chest if you need to. As far as this coinmarket thing. I lost money. I'd like to get it back. I'd like to see all of this resolved, but is worth hurting someone else or yourself over? Really? Hopefully you guys aren't determined to make this a violent endeavor. We've got plans to write the next Great American Novel (or trans-nat, whatever) for the digital diamond age. Any ideas, epiphanies, shortcuts, pro-tips, would be welcome. |
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I will be giving my months notice at my job tuesday. Will buy my plane ticket to Estonia wednesday and fly out beginning of May. So this gives Kiur a headstart to get out the country or get protection. Already have organised a place to stay in his town and know his current address. I will also make a video of the whole process, I don't care about getting caught or dying for a good cause. I want to take out a bad guy to make the world a better place. I will post my plane ticket next week All I ask is someone PM me the whole story from A to B on what has occurred so far and I will carry on from that point. There is a good chance he might kill me before I kill him and I will make sure to PM his details to everyone on these forums. I am giving it 3 months. Wish me luck and if he does return the btc I will stop the chase and video will never be made public. Take detailed notes, keep them safe and get us access details. Don't worry, I'll make up the flowery and poetic, as well as dark and gripping, background embellishments to flesh out a good story. You just supply the basic plot outline. I feel a cult hit waiting to be made! Hope you survive its production and we'll toast from a beach villa to Kenneth and Kiur for supplying the storyline. |
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Hawaiicoin is online and pools are rockin' the new coin. Come get your slice of paradise! www.hicoin.orgHey, yeah. Everybody start on Hawaiicoin and if we lobby hard enough, we can get coinmarket.io to put it on their exchange. |
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Hi All,
Up until a month ago I thought I lead a full life but I have to come to realize this is not the case and I am on the verge of dropping a 100 pain pills
to ease my grief over this incident with coinmarket.io .
It's not because of the bitcoins I have lost but because I have way too much time on my hands during the weekend and I am also a person that worries and
stresses way too much about stuff.
I think Kiur Köster is a amazing human being and obviously has a life, not once has he ever attended to the exchange problems over a weekend where I Personally
have quite a bit of free time and would be stressing and worrying about giving back everyones coins, oh no not Kiur hes probably having a threesome after having a wild party
at some prestige Estonian night club, or working on his next venture or running a 3rd or 4th business making a huge success of his life.
It suddenly dawned on me that I don't have a life, well not one as exciting as Kiurs where he doesn't actually give a fuck about this small exchange he ran.
I would like to ask the community what else I can do to get all my available time on the weekends used up before I throw in the towel on life, I am hoping Kiur can enlighten me on this.
Peace out.
If you've got some discretionary income, decent English comp. skills, and vacation time coming, I recommend stalking Kiur and Kenneth and taking copious notes. I'll help edit the final draft and send it to my niece who works at a publishing house in NYC and you may have a viable novel showing some of the ins and outs of the new millenium. |
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Hi,
Please payout my 0.08856976 BTC requested on Tue Mar 18 2014 04:30:13 for quad!
Regards
Still awaiting payment - since the 18th of March 2014?  Please pay immediately!!! Quad Still waiting for pay-out - is this place for real?Timestamp Amount Coin Requester IP Status Tue Mar 18 2014 04:30:13 0.08856976 BTC 173.245.56.198 pending - for 'quadruple'? Depends on your definition of "real". If you mean "functioning and above board regarding candor and competence", not so much. |
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2) There is no technical way to reject incoming coins. Its not safe to just automatically send them back to origin address.
3) Our goal is to process ALL withdrawal requests. We are negotiating getting BTC from other sources.
Another 350 withdrawal requests (in pending status) are waiting to get processed today. Attempting to credit all stuck deposits right now.[/size]
Let these guys work. I'm still waiting for my 1.03 btc withdrawal. I hope they can make it. Does it appear to you that, IF THEY ARE DOING ANYTHING HONEST WITH THEIR TIME AT ALL, that the posts on here are TAKING UP ANY OF THEIR TIME?, It appears that all of the people out countless coins are actually distracting our heroes from their noble toil! Thanks for the chuckle! |
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I heard about this incident on btc-e trollbox and came to have a look.
On the homepage it now has this message which is a good sign.
Please do not deposit any kind of coins.
Please cancel all orders and request a withdrawal.
CoinMarket.io will be shut down when the problems are solved.
With regards to exchanges and I have been involved in a couple, (even investigated doing my own) security is a big concern. There is 2 coins hackers and scammers are concerned with
and that is bitcoins and litecoins. Don't listen to the noise regarding alt coins. Every exchange that has been "hacked" have given back alt coins. This is includes freshmarket.io, openex etc and everytime
the hacker is demanding ransom in order to have btc/ltc returned which does not make any sense at all.
With the Poloniex hack where 12.3 btc was stolen it only affected the btc that was in the system at that time. IE Lets says I had btc on poloniex before the hack then I would be affected, however btc deposited after the hack was not affected.
What remains a mystery is the plan for the bitcoins that were deposited after the hack like others are starting to query. Coinmarket has made it clear that they are involved in negotiations for btc
that was deposited during and before the exploit.
Really??? Where the FUCK did you read that? WHERE have they been CLEAR about ANYTHING, let alone the resolution of missing BTC? They have thrown out camouflage crap posts about minor crap-coin withdrawals with almost no clarity about ANYTHING that matters. They may be innocent incompetent cowards in the best case scenario, but I see no "clarity" from them whatsoever. |
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This is great news, but for the life of me I can't understand why you guys didn't deal with the bitcoin situation first? It would of cleared up a lot of the complaints.
We have announced (on page ~146 or near it) that there may be multiple ways to get additional BTC from other sources - to fund stuck BTC withdrawals.
The negotiations for that are still ongoing. Meanwhile, we are going to process as many altcoin withdrawals as requested. This is not the end of the story.
People who throw accusations at us have zero proof. Its simple to come up with theories.
CoinMarket.io can provide any kind of proof of innocence that you guys want.
You should redirect your energy towards finding the real thieves - we can definitely help with that.
We have reasons to believe that the main person behind the exploits has registered his first account with this email: dima1236@mail.ru
There is some rather intresting data on him on google and he may be associated with 0daycoins.
He tried to blackmail us and claimed hacking 0daycoins and "several other exchanges" - but that may not be the case.
Another user who was definitely in on the scam used an username of summergaoteng and this email: 97046128@qq.com
Please ignore all BS that is posted by users not named exactly coinmarket.io.
People are creating accounts with similar names and posting BS - not sure why they think its funny.Hey coinmarket.io "not sure why they think it's funny"?? Because you are still either scammers or the FUCKING WORST PR GUYS I've ever seen in my 47 years. Absent any real communication, people make up theories and make jokes. IF you are innocent AND you don't understand the insult your absence has added to your incompetence, then I'm wasting my time addressing you as an adult, but hey, I'm easy that way. |
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I personally do not think coinmarket.io was established as a scam.
As the GitHub link below shows, 2 months ago a security breach occurred. Bitcoin was obviously lost.
The biggest problem Kiur has is the same as Mt Gox: He continued to run the exchange in the hope more coin deposits and fees would make him solvent again.
I've always thought that it was possible, even probable that the site was started in good faith and that due to either hacking, major tech problems, or general "in over their head" issues, the exchange guys lost it and decided to run. Regardless of initial intent, their behavior is now well over the line and into criminal territory and must be dealt with as such. |
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OK, thanks for the heads-up! I sent an email to them: Dear sirs, Please take coinmarket.io off of your exchange list. They've been an ongoing recognized scam exchange for a few weeks now. They've siphoned off untold numbers of BTC and other coins and the fraud is ongoing. If you need painful proof, please see the following thread: https://bitcointalk.org/index.php?topic=454186.3780If you have any way of alerting other reference sites or anybody else who may be of help, please let them know about this important issue. Thank you, The email worked!!! CM is no longer listed at http://www.altcoincalendar.info/coins/exchangesYeah, they emailed me saying that they'd do it quickly. They don't want any part of this. We have to keep spreading this around. There's no easy way to protect people or punish bad guys, given the lack of regulation. |
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[/quote] If someone got some nice English writing skills get in contact with http://www.coindesk.com/news/ or http://www.cryptocoinsnews.com/They will happily make a article about this. [/quote] I emailed both of them, just to get started: Not sure if this is your bailiwick or if you'd like to pass this on. There is an ongoing, somewhat interesting scam going on at coinmarket.io. The exchange basically stopped giving out BTC withdrawals, keeps the site open as if nothing is going on, and ignores the bitcointalk thread dedicated to it. The members of the thread have done their best digital Sherlock Holmes so far and have dug up (through cached files, old posts, etc.) the identity of one Norwegian who is in digital hiding. After long delays, the Norwegian has now fingered another suspect (Estonian) and the mystery continues. It may make for interesting reading and may be some fun for you if you take an hour to go back through the last few weeks of the thread: https://bitcointalk.org/index.php?topic=454186There are untold numbers of BTC owed/missing. A mini Mt.Gox, but I don't know the actual scale of the loss. It's actually an object lesson in the downside of privacy/secrecy. Best, |
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OK, thanks for the heads-up! I sent an email to them: Dear sirs, Please take coinmarket.io off of your exchange list. They've been an ongoing recognized scam exchange for a few weeks now. They've siphoned off untold numbers of BTC and other coins and the fraud is ongoing. If you need painful proof, please see the following thread: https://bitcointalk.org/index.php?topic=454186.3780If you have any way of alerting other reference sites or anybody else who may be of help, please let them know about this important issue. Thank you, |
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