Why do I care if a "note" is becoming "useless" or devalued? That has no impact on me, because I don't use "notes" issued by the government for anything long-term. Make it, spend it, problems solved. Doesn't matter if it is worth $100 pre note or $1 or $0.01 per note. I get paid x-notes for x-work and use it to buy x-value of food/stuff. Why would anyone "hold" a note that is guaranteed to loose value the longer you hold it?

That is why people have assets. If the "note" looses value, your assets can be sold for more notes, if you need them. (Makes your assets look more valuable than they actually are.)

The problem is, as with any other place... Theft, lack of real control, importing more than you export, and allowing foreign agents to provide fraudulent lending and NOT being able to go after them in another country.

The reason we have to "borrow" from china, is because we pay them USD for the crap we buy/import from them. They don't want USD, they want Yuan. We don't have Yuan, because the Chinese are not buying things from us. Thus, we HAVE to borrow from them, our un-cashed money. Why would they buy anything from us, they already make it there! They made all our crap.

When will we start to reverse the debit, when we start charging for importing to the USA, and PAY people who EXPORT, as a reward for "clearing debit". Oh, and stopping foreign banks (who hold useless foreign currencies), from "lending" to people in our country. (Unless they lend us foreign currency, that would make sense!)

That was harsh... (Even for me.) Not to mention, it was irrelevant to the reply. You should learn to comprehend what others say to you better. What good is your knowledge of "proper Old-Latin/English", if you can't use it to correctly interpret what others are saying in another language. I am sure that if you spoke another language, the natives of that language think the same about you, though you doubtfully don't hear them complain about it.

But I digress...

I understood that fine.

The creators of the "idea", didn't want the idea used for other reasons. (Lack of security, lack of "collision control", lack of manageability, and lack of regulation-control, unmanageable losses, and doubt that it would actually work.)

The reason it exists is because others saw it as a cool thing to try, others saw it as a form of tax-evasion, others saw it as an ability to "take things from others", others just wanted something to play with as code (a challenge).

What it became was real...

What it will end-up as, is another form of "value distribution", just like every other form of distribution. Just another name for a dollar, since dollars are what the majority of people use it for comparison to. It is another fast-food restaurant.

Retired people still work. (Unless someone is paying for retirement for you. Or they squandered your wages to give you after you stop working full time.)

I work for fun. It sucks sitting around playing with yourself all day. Toilet-paper and vaseline is expensive!

I make my own schedule, work when I want, and put that money towards all my new toys. Now, mining, and trading here, I have more money. I just keep expanding. My only limit is the circuit-breaker box, at the moment. I am not paying $2800 for them to install another line to the house, and another meter. So I am convincing my friends to let me use their power, offering them free heat all winter and paying for any power I consume in the process. (Only two of my friends understand what I actually do. )

I am not 19 anymore, just for the record... I am nearly 40 now. (Shy by a few years, but reaching that point.)

What, did you think I was going to work for free?

I worked for a business... One that doesn't keep money in a Cypress bank, and pays minimum wage.

Oh, and I mined for bitcoins, and litecoins and namecoins...

And I made IMVU-credits and Lindens and traded some silver...

And I borrowed a few thousand from Cypress... Not paying them back... They are a foreign bank... They can give me a bad grade on my credit report... What are they going to do, raise the value of the dollar menu again, to get my money?

Funny thing is... I am retired. Have been since I was 19. It is amazing what you can actually do without money, without debit, without banks, without taxes (ok, little taxes), and with no expectations only accepting anything that comes, as a reward.

Best thing you can do is go broke and learn to live with nothing. That is when you realize you never actually had anything in the first place. Just a bunch of junk that you only think is of value.

(This coming from a man with over a dozen computers, monitors, electronic devices, millions of drawings and business plans, and lives off the dollar-menu at McDonalds. No I am not fat. I only eat once a day. I don't eat like a pig. I eat only what my body needs. I buy only things I need and crap that is fun to play with. Man Geek toys. lol.)

The funny thing is...

Billions are spent mining gold, for no other purpose, other than to trade it, save it, and regulate it.

Sadly, those who actually NEED gold to produce things, are having to pay an inflated premium, for no reason other than "we lost this much getting it, so now you have to pay us this much for it."

Even though mining has become easier, and more gold is mined now, more than ever... (and reclaimed, which has already gone through the expensive processing for purity concentration.)... The price continues to rise... again, for no actual reason.

Gold is not scarce. It is not gone. It is still found rather easily, and trillions of pounds is simply sitting around, collecting dust.

Value was once based off what a man could create/do in a day. Now we do almost nothing, and value of the only REAL thing, is called minimum wage. That is the real value of anything. Anything sold for more, is just hype or luxury.

Imagine if we used food for money. We would all die of starvation! Corporations would buy it all, store it, let it rot, demand more for the losses, and try to make all losses back, by selling it to us for $2000 an ounce! Sadly, we could all grow our own food, but would be too lazy to actually do it, and if we did, the government would say, "This is mine, you only have this because I allowed you to live here and grow it. Give it to me, so I can sell it to the banker for money you are not paying me in taxes." What? How I'm gonna live to grow more!

I am still pissed that McDonalds raised the price of the $1.00 small fries, up to $1.27... Totally defeated the whole purpose of raising minimum-wage!

Oh, you lost a large portion of money you probably didn't actually earn... so sad... too bad... cry me a river...

Take out what you can, every day, until it is all gone, and turn it directly into bitcoins, litecoins, and namecoins. Problem solved. You will be up to your previous balance, before you have withdrawn all your remaining money, and any money left will just be a bonus.

You can still get money out, so what is the actual problem? That is what you get for placing money in a BANK, who simply lends out your money to others. Sorry that the people they lent it to, are not paying them back. I would bet a million dollars that all the lending was to the bank owner himself. They like to do that, using shell companies that don't actually exist, then just default on the loans, declare bankruptcy, and HOPE the government steps-in to pay for the losses, which are not actual losses.

I like the mini-jumps...

There are hundreds of them a day...

100x $6 = $600...

Faster than waiting for a single $600 hike...

That is the secret to day-trading with a near-zero pip spread. Forex traders must be in heaven here. Plus, multiple charts for the same value. Just trade between charts and make another $600 every day!

Price is on the lower side of steep hill... time to buy, if you are day-trading... quick, before they change the "sell" value back to 119... lol

Did you disable the catalyst control from startup in MSCONFIG? (Make sure "performance mode" is checked first, before you disable it...)

Second...
Make sure all your advanced settings in afterburner are checked. (You may have to manually add the disclaimer line... "I agree to .... warning disclaimer" (Don't know it off hand)

Make sure to select "match similar cards"... You will have to select each group of cards separately to modify them. (Or individually, if not grouped. Only edit the master of each group.)

You need to detect the defaults first, remove any saved profiles you have. (Record the values to make them again later, if needed.)

Then your AB should work normally. (You can keep deleting profiles to get extended ranges back, without restarting the computer, just restart AB after you delete the profiles, and set them, the "set values" will be seen as "defaults". Unless you reboot the computer and then detect, which will give you back your real defaults.)

To run each card with separate values, you use CGMINER's settings for multiple cards...

EG, In a "somefile.bat" you have commands to login, and settings... --gpu-vddc 1000,1100,1050
Or you can use the configs files...

That makes GPU0 = 1000, GPU1 = 1100, GPU2 = 1050 for voltages. (Same for clocks). But you have to know which cards are GPU0-GPU7... etc...

For the time being, just run with lower voltage.

If your voltage regulator is "going", but not "shot".... it is sending more voltage than the "settings indicate".

These cards are not built with real calibrated voltage monitoring equipment, they have "ballpark calculated" estimates. Thus, your programs may indicate "1.100v", but actual voltage may be "1.213v"... It rises as it fails, becoming more of a short. (Thus it is fed 1.213v behind the scenes, but the regulator reduces it, normally to 0.800-1.200v, thus the apparent higher voltage, but still within operable levels.)

If you reduce the setting, and it does lower, it is not fried/shorted, but just "damaged"... it will continue to decay in time. Regulating it down to "0.900v" may actually bring it back to "1.100v", in reality, until it decays further, to becoming a real short.

Boards have points to measure voltage. They use those to "test" that a setting is "within range" when manufactured, and when they are checking to see if it is failing. Find those points, and test the actual voltages. There are physical hacks you can do, but they require a soldering iron. If the voltage regulator is a SMT (surface mount), it is still possible to "fix" it with a soldering gun.

Also, if a capacitor has died, it can cause a short. Thus, not smoothing the voltage, thus, delivering high spikes of voltage that would normally be "decayed" by time, in the capacitor. (Got to test each capacitor manually for that. They are next to the voltage regulators.)

NOTE: You may have to lower your clocks to match the lower voltages. As the higher frequencies will not have enough power to be "loud-enough", to be detected by the chip, thus the "crashing" as data seems missing, and irrelevant to process by the GPU. (But not if it is just the voltage regulator reporting the wrong volts, and failing to regulate, thus, the voltage is actually higher than it says, and will work with the same clock speeds.)

Yes. (Are you Josh from BFL... lol... you sure sound like him!)

Proof, I don't need proof of anything. I have logic. I assessed the situation, came to a conclusion, and derived a logical answer that is unbiased to hype and false promises from others.

To protect an investment, people will do anything. (Didn't they just force a mandatory minimum for transactions? Isn't that a "demand" which was made to "protect", our investments.)

You see, it is open source, thus, we can do what we want with it. It won't be hard to convince people to use new software that offers "less losses", and "protects your investment", and "increases your wallet security". If that happens, (which I see happening down the line), then ASIC's will be gone faster than they are created. They are few, and if they use the resources they have to "buy" back in... then all credits will essentially be property of the ASIC's in time, and thus, useless to us.

They have to cash them in, to make money. If we are not buying them, they make no money, only bitcoins. Thus, they have to ask for less money, to get us to buy them. That drives the price down. Why would we pay them premium prices for things that cost them next to nothing to produce?  We won't. And they will be happy selling the millions of coins they make for pennies, because they still make money from them. Only those who have invested in older hardware will slowly be choked-out, loosing all they made, watching it be sucked-up by the ASIC's... (Since we are the majority, and if we leave, that will leave a minority fighting over being the one with the most ASIC's. That will be less transactions going-on, thus less payments, thus less value.)

If the Majority (us with GPU's), is not here to talk about bitcoins, and us (the majority), leaves, because we are butt-hurt... That alone will be thousands and thousands of people saying... "Yea, bitcoins are crap, I lost all this..."

Thus, the few still mining will not be able to convince the majority otherwise.

ASIC's will always be a minority. They just can't make them fast enough, and are making them for the highest bidders, who are few and far between.

They are the apples of the world. They might as well suffer the same fate.

In the end... I can cash-out my earnings before they get released. (In 6 months).

OMG they released 30 japaninos ... 150GHs total... and 100 of the 60GHs units, 6,750GHs total. Only took them a year to do that! All of them are buggy, and crapping-out, now overpriced, and still not delivering beyond the crumbs they are making.

one year, if ordered now... That will leave 2 years left in this 25% of discovery, at a difficulty that makes them productively as useless as any GPU out today, worth the same value. But is a future paperweight.

Where do I get my numbers from... The blockchain info and charts. You should learn to read them some time.

Don't get me wrong, I have ASIC's coming too. But It hurts me that it will hurt everyone who doesn't have one, can't get one, and those using bitcoins for actual transactions. But my 60GHs will be a crumb. (Hurt them for bitcoins)

The fortune doesn't come if you are baked before placing the cookie in your mouth!

If this is the G45... you need to put the monitor on the middle 16x slot/card... that is a "mobo" issue. (Also note, mining on that slot, will send a portion to the first 16x slot too??? Seen if you disable that card in CGminer, it shows as disabled/off but shows as mining about 5-2MHs when the other slot is also mining.) Might be because those slots turn into 8x/8x/4x with all 16x slots used. Thus, shared busses and bad programming of CGminer code.

The limitations comes from the bus hardware, which is why you can only put up to 7 active slots, and only up to 8-gpu cores. (They were not designed to put 8 video cards, they are 16-lanes short of a full 8 slots. Designated for PCI and ON-BOARD crap for motherboards, like network, usb, video, sound, etc. Not an issue for servers, but servers use dual processors, and they split the bus into two halves. Yet can still only take 8-GPU cores in software.)

ALSO NOTE: You can use MAPPING to "discover" unseen hardware in CGminer. But not if windows has disabled it. (That is a catalyst/windows issue, if you can not get them all seen beyond the motherboard thing above.)

Also try adding them one at a time... rebooting and discovering them one at a time.

Thanks for the warning, now leave... since you have no interest in bitcoins, or alt-coins. Obviously a fanboy for the hype of ASIC's, which are just flying off the shelves faster than they can be invented! lol.

Also, you have to restart after loading the drivers or installing those programs.

Not sure if you did that, or not... (Many people do not. They just expect installed software to work, without realizing that windows has to "activate" the underlying software before it functions correctly.)

Do you have the videocard drivers installed?

GPUz shows 0MHz... thus, it is not seeing your card as, the card it is.

Windows uses "generic" drivers until you install real drivers. Windows drivers are limited to showing temps, fan speeds and video... not able to alter any "unique" other settings.

You need to install Catalyst Drivers. That tells windows about the "unique" settings it can additionally modify. (Which GPUz can then see, and TRIXX can then see and also alter.)

Afterburner is better. It unlocks everything for you.

I use bathroom fans... They last forever.

Fire suppression... You need a "non-liquid" rated for "electrical". (Baking soda)

Put a bunch of boxes above the computers. If they catch fire, they burn and drop the powder.

Cheap, effective, legal, certified.

However, electronic equipment should be in an electrical box, made for restricting or containing open flames. (Eg, a case.)

It doesn't matter if they are a scam.

ASIC's will do nothing for anybody but the creators of the ASIC's themselves.

The whole function of the ASIC is to take hashing power from those already hashing, and put it in their pockets. The more you invest, the less you will get, because others are investing more, in the same 6-million BTC.

EG, there will be 3-million users all mining with ASIC's, and each will only get 1 BTC. Except the company producing ASIC's, who will get your CASH and more than half of those BTC, because they are using your money to build them more than they plan to sell.

Thus, they will be holding more than half of those 6-million BTC, and leave 3-million people mining for pennies. While the remaining 3-million GPU guys move-on to things that can't be taken by "corporate greedy bastards". Everyone is going to join that bandwagon of the ASIC's before they realize they are aiding the inevitable demise of their own devices.

(That is not a rant about bitcoins, or ASIC's, it is about the obvious scamming they are doing, in broad-daylight, right under everyone's noses, with the money they are given. Oh, they will deliver.... Crumbs.)

Any new company is already too late. They should have built these things two years ago. They will only be good for four years, tops, and that MAY make them break even. (for those who purchase them.)

It is not like a GPU. AMD didn't start producing thousands of cards, keeping them for themselves, and giving out 1 for every 100 made. That is what ASIC's are doing. There isn't even a guarantee that the machines are not purposely creating false proofs, or sending proofs home, or couldn't be covertly disabled by the creator whenever they decide they needed more coins for themselves. Not that I would imagine they would do... but in a cut-throat game of, "make me millions from your money"... why not? They are doing that already.

The only issue with 1x risers, is some only plug-in to a 1x slot. You have to cut-out the hole for the unnotched 16x slot. (Not difficult to do with a razor or dremmel.)

Some will say "fits 4x, 8x, 16x" (Those have one open end notched-out.)

16x has no advantage, even for litecoins. 1x is more than fast enough to send the tiny bit of data to be processed. 16x is only for sending massive GB of data, fast, over multiple lines, all at once.

I did notice that litecoins are real specific to having "balanced" memclocks/coreclocks. Something like a ratio of 0.53:1 to get ideal processing speed. More mem = slower, less mem = slower, just-right = max processing. (Adjust voltages to accommodate the core voltage that matches the mem clock/core clock ratio. That makes an issue for cgminer, as it uses a fixed-number, not a ratio, for adjusting clocks for speeds.)

If the G65 was as cheap as the G45, it would be worth it, in the long run. That would be one less motherboard along the way, as opposed to having 2-4 cards per motherboard. That is why I use the G45's. Two mobo's handle what others use three mobo's for. (That is less memory, less cpu's, less PSU's, and less wasted fan-cooling. Lower power, less heat, greater returns, faster returns.)

That's a lot of assumptions, without any actual knowledge or proof, other then speculation on hypothetical possibilities.

Thus, useless. That was the point of my prior post.

Who are you warning? Yourself? Why do you care what others do? Obviously your point of view is as limited as your knowledge, but I may just be assuming that. (Irony)

So, should we all buy "non-existent, non-shipping", ASIC's that won't be here until after Christmas?

How will a purchase NOT pay itself off? It would only take four to five months, even with some slopes. Switching to any alt-coin covers any losses here. Reselling hardware that is only 3-months old, previously new, used little, is not hard to do. Used, these cards still sell for $380-$480 each.

What, the 7990's are just a 7970! Where the hell did you learn to read?
1x 7970 = 600-750MHs @ 220-260w
1x 7990 = 1200-1400MHs @ 300-400w

Here is a math problem for you...
1 bitcoin today
+1 bitcoin tomorrow
+1 bitcoin the next day =
more than 0 bitcoins for the next five months, which is the projected arrival date of most "only 2 more months" ASIC's.

It will take them MONTHS to amass any destructive value. More than half the coins are already "valued", and only 1/4 of the remaining coins will be MINED in the next four years. Even if they released 100THs of machines, it still wouldn't be more than 50% of the GPU's power running now.

http://bitcoin.sipa.be/

That Peak, is about to turn into a plateau. It was just a rise for the "next gen", which is not only ASIC's, but GPU builders building ROOMS of computers, not just a single computer in a bedroom.

Income is only 4% from transactions... Who the hell told you that shit? Obviously you are being played by your Pool! Try solo mining. It wasn't profitable with CPU's or a year ago, with GPU's, but OBVIOUSLY... the growing number of solo miners is nearing a large volume for a reason. (The harder the difficulty, the more transactions are in a block, and the greater the fee-rewards are. Look at the block chart data.)

The "defense" was that alt-coins were a FAD...Yea, they WERE, so were bitcoins. Bitcoins didn't make bitcoins valuable, we did, and where we go, the value goes. With our hardware.

But anyways... Don't buy GPU's. That leaves more hashing for me, here or there... On a plane, on a train, in Spain, or in the rain. I don't give a flying f**k, as long as it turns green, and comes from my f**king machine!