I think users should have a profile of "which coins they wish to mine", per user.

If the pool is moving to another coin, one that you don't want to participate in... it simply moves you to the coin you do want, from your list, which has the highest value. (Port forwarding by user.)

That helps two-fold. One, it helps stop us from collecting coins we don't want to be "stuck" with. Also, it helps reduce some of the "shock" that drives coins way below value, by difficulty-ramping, because those who didn't want that coin are not forced there. While those who are there, if there are less, get longer reward-times. (Because the diff remains lower longer, and gives the system time to exit before the coin-value is driven down below mining-value.)

Avoiding high profile coins helps also. (Coins that you just don't mine fast enough to get a reward from, in the short time you are there.) Thus, mining for an hour on a coin that does not reward a block for HOURS... when you could have been mining that hour on a block with slightly less value, and gotten 1-10 blocks. Thus, 0% gain on the slow-block which would have been 135% reward, "IF you found a block", as opposed to the more guaranteed gain of 130% on the slightly faster, but lower valued block.

Again. In the end, you are mining NOW for a value that will never be "realized" NOW. Because it takes time to get the coin, and by the time you earn the coin, the value is LOW... because you just drove the diff up to the point where less people mine it, and you mined based off "the value at the time of mining", not the "potential future value". (Eg, if the value is dropping, the future value will be LESS than the NOW value. If the value is rising, the future value MAY be more, by the time you actually earn the coin. But you assume value NOW = future-value, just to be on the moderately safe side.)

Translation, as miners, trade-value NOW is useless, unless you are a trader, trading holdings NOW. That has nothing to do with mining.

For mining, you care about the "Difficulty level NOW" compared to historic difficulty. (Is it easy to MINE.) Also the "potential future value", compared to historic value, based on the "time it takes you to EARN a coin that can be CASHED-IN for that value". (Is the future value dropping, thus, mining it now will result in less earnings, or is it rising, and thus, "Good to mine at this below-normal/average difficulty"?)

Coins with "low constant miners", are low, partly because the diffs are being driven-up, beyond them to mine it constantly. (This is a flaw of the coin-system, not the situation.)

In any event, mining any coin that is NOT the "top hopper coin", of the moment, is the best way to get the most valuable reward for your time and effort. Mining a coin with a high value that is going to drop... and an already high difficulty that is going to get higher once you start mining it, is NOT profitable. Even if the NOW price/value is high, on the charts. Not to mention these charts are all delayed and inaccurate.

Personally, I believe there are a lot of better ways to mine all of these coins, other than hopping, that does not impede the growth and reduce rewards. However, until they separate the "Traders value" from the "Miners value", you will all continue to be mislead and that just leaves more for those of us who actually know how to mine for value that actually exists. Not estimates of estimates of estimates of fantasy-times, based off earnings that have not been earned yet, on values that won't exist by the time you actually cash-out. The more you loose, the more we get cheap from you.

Additionally, I would rather see more of the "valued coins" listed, for hopping, and the coins of lower hash-rates listed for constant mining. (Manual hopping, as opposed to automated. Thus, less drastic of an impact.)

If a coin has a constant hash-rate equal to the "hopping-pool hash-rate", that is a good coin to hop with. If it is like MNC, which now only has a constant hash-rate of around 12K, thanks to hoppers that made it a waste of time to mine constantly... (It was over 100K a month ago, and 200K before that.) The result of throwing 400K at the 12K miners, will eventually drive that down to 0K. Though, I suspect the 12K is the few nodes that still exist, and those mining to get "statistic data" to feed the charts. The illusion of value to hop on-to, is created by the existence of hoppers on that coin. The "value" is not there, when you all split the 20 coins you actually mine in those few seconds you mine it, by 400+ miners. Yay, you earned a penny at the rate of 1.2 pennies, or 2.1 pennies... The point is, you could have made a dollar at the $1.20 rate, and made 100x more.

Don't forget, cashing them in lowers the value... Thus degrading your future-reward. Holding them, nullifies any perceived NOW value... Thus mining off NOW value is completely irrelevant.

This is not like money in a bank. When you hold money in a bank, the bank spends your money, loaning it out to others who are spending it, to boost the economy. Holding coins, and selling short, is like stuffing cash under your mattress... It only delays the losses to a future date, unless you mine off future value, and mine for quantity, by mining those coins with lower-than-average difficulties.

P.S. I still think, and always will think... that Multipool is the best pool, and potential for value. If you have the time to mine and hop manually. Avoiding the pools that the multi-port is mining, and has helped to drive value down on. (Helped... as this is NOT the ONLY hopping tool, but it is one of the largest hash-rates hopping on a limited range of over-mined coins. Call it a love-hate relationship. Mostly love, for all the wrong reasons!)

Gambling adds no value to the coin, if anything, it degrades it.

As a gambler, 1000's loose, and the house wins, and the 1 winner wins coins. The house cashes-out, and the gambler may or may-not cash-out also. In the end, there was no "losses" of coins value, other than the tiny bit of operating costs for the lotto/gamble.

However...

If the holdings are re-invested (thus, not in cash-out), in another gamble... That removes those coins from circulation for the duration of the lotto/gambling time, before the winner is drawn. That causes a slight "bump" in the market, for the positive value. But that turns into a negative value once they are later cashed-out.

Unlike a bank, that lends your holdings to others... holding coins is just stalling decreased value to a future date. The hope is that the value rises faster than the holdings value, so less losses are shown, at the time of dumping coins for a cash-out.

Please update the first post with the "new windows compiled version". (Found the link above, but all links should first go to the first post, where we all look, and all new people download from.

Thank-you,
JasonD

Best way is to mine all coins you list. Thus you have first-hand knowledge of the data, not second-hand.

I repeat... lol... this is less of an issue with slow-block coins. It is only the less populated faster coins, where the percents are waaaay off. Making them look a lot more valuable to mine, then they really are in reality.
MNC, WDC, FST, LKY, DGC, MEG, MEM, BBQ... etc...

As for pools that do this already... Most pools have an API, they just have to add that accepted/rejected value to the list of available data. Ask, they will add it, if it brings them more miners. They may want a mention of the pool. (Eg, Stats provided by "www.somepool.com" for "MNC". When people click on the data % values, to see where you get your numbers from. Like when they click the links to the exchanges.)

This is my 4-days worth of mining "CAP" "Bottlecaps"...

Using one of my machines, mining @ 3Mhs (6x 7970's running stock about 500Khs/ea) 3200 CAP coins
A: 46, R: 13
A: 40, R: 12
A: 48, R: 14
A: 31, R: 23
A: 54, R: 12
A: 49, R: 14

Totals
A: 268, R: 88 = 356 submitted
100%/356 = 0.280899
268*0.280899 = 75% Accepted / 25% Rejected

Thus, Your 178.87% Profit should be, 178.87%*0.75 = "134.15% Profit adjusted for stales", not 178.87% which would be 100% accepted and 0% rejected.

For stales, you only need to query any miners API and get the A: (accepted values) and R: (Rejected values) and get the network-hash-rate. (Solo miners or a pools wallet) Once you KNOW the saturation of each diff/hash then the rest can be calculated and estimated, also knowing the result of oversaturation.

Though, with a diff of 0.16 and a 10Mhs worth of miners... there may not be any. (That is an ideal load)
With a diff of 0.16 and 300Mhs now mining, because you indicate exchange value high... there may be 25% rejects. (Thus, you can display that "anticipated" value, if that is the load that normally moves there, when you say move-there. Or, you can adjust on the next round, once they have moved there.)

The rejects never changes, for that diff at that hash-rate. However...
at 2.4 diff, with the same 300Mhs, there may only be 3% rejects, because the network is not saturated. Thus, you will not know the saturation point of that 2.4 diff, until you move 600Mhs there.

In the end, each diff-level from low->high is only needed, to determine the saturation point, and the expected losses with x-hash-rate of miners now mining it. (But confirmed real-world values would be more accurate.)

Again, you don't have to hire anyone. Just have us list our wallets API access, or for pools (much better), ask for API access to that info. They can provide a page that only output that data in HTML in CSV format, for simplicity. Labor-force = 0.

The flaw is with the coin itself. Poor programming for saturation, due to fast-blocks and poor network load control using diffs that just jump all over, too fast, too high, and drop too fast, too low. This is hardly an issue for slower coins, because they adjust before saturation occurs, and with the large number of constant miners, the move of 300Mhs to a 30Ghs coin, is less dramatic. However, moving 300Mhs to a coin that only has 10Khs of constant miners, leads to saw-tooth coin death. lol. Diff 2.44, diff 0.16, diff 2.44, diff 0.16, ... value 75%btc, 180%btc, 75%btc, 180%btc... as the miners jump in and out, degrading the coin they "think" has high value, turning it into that "low-value" coin.

If a coin does not have 1btc of "buying" listings... then it is not worth listing, or mining. Because there is no-one to sell it to! Thus, the value on the charts should be lower...

If you are using API, you should get the information for "1BTC" worth of trades, at minimum, from the "buying" list, for the value estimates. Since miners are here to "Sell to the buyers" and since the estimations are for 1BTC for comparison.

Eg, if there is 0.0001coin/btc-val being sold for 0.001BTC, that is useless to use for estimation. However, if you "sold all now" to obtain 1BTC, thus, you would have to take the values of 0.0001 and 0.000099 and 0.000095 and 0.000081 and the last value of 0.000065. Thus, the "actual value" of the "volume of trades", for that estimated 1BTC earning, NOW... would be more realistically something like 0.000075 not the horribly inaccurate 0.000100 used for the calculation.

Since, in reality, anyone can manipulate the market earnings up or down with 0.00001 buys and sells... which are a false indication of actual "sell value".

To be more accurate to the coin... If the coins "adjusted earnings" are 0.5 BTC per day... You might want to use a total of 10BTC worth of buy-listings. (Daily earnings in coin x, multiplied by 20 miners cash-out-now volume.) That would also help reduce the pumping, purposely done to get more people to mine a coin with an artificial inflated micro-change value. Which is also done to attempt to get people to list higher values for a big dump of coins they got cheaper, previously in a trade or sale or mining.

Also... you need to use real-world values for things like, "Stales and rejects". Not sure where you are getting your information from for those numbers, but no coin is ever 100%. If you see that calculated value, you might as well just assume the source of your info is not sending you actual data, and just sending you the mined-data twice. Thus, that should be for that column. If you used real-world data from a pool or from some miners... and kept a record of those numbers for viewing... It would be better for us to make judgement. However, seeing that there is 0% loss, or only 5% loss, then mining for hours, only to find that the loss is 50% or more... only discredits you and your use of poor source information that you are feeding us.

(Also, stales are predictable at certain diff-levels, with certain hash-rates worth of miners. Even if you just used that ratio-value, you would be offering a better estimation of reality. Especially on these fast-coins that have 30-sec to 1-min blocks, when they suddenly get 500Mhs thrown at them. You can see what the movement is, and you know what the result is, it isn't hard to calculate what the losses will be, before you post the "estimated value" and losses. At the least, you will be wrong, in our favor, if the losses are less. At the moment, they losses are all against us, since they are all inaccurate and low, compared to reality. A dedicated miner has no use for this info, thus, would never be hurt by it. But directing people there, with the auto-switcher miner, places all the trust and accuracy on you and your sources of data and representation of that data, which they use to mine.)

Great site.

P.S. If a coin is "down", could you just move it to a section below, marked as "block down, insufficient data for listing". Just so that we know you have not completely and permanently removed it from the listing.

Unfortunately, Bethesda and other rights-owners, would never allow it as an internal coin. However, getting them to accept it as a "type" of purchase currency might be possible. But chances are, they would reject the offer, since it is too similar to in-game content, and they would not want anyone mistaking it for being "Created or endorsed" by them.

If they took it over, it would no longer be a coin you could mine, and would be a coin that you have to purchase from them. Thus, defeating the purpose of it even being created. (Because they could just cut-out the overhead and charge you dollars. Essentially making the coin as useless as a paypal-coin. Unless they just want to do that, in hopes you can't spend it all, or forget about it, reclaiming the losses as "free loans". Which is how paypal once operated, to become what they are today.)

Adding a note here...

BUG: Unlocking an encrypted after you have started mining will not work, they keep trying mine and to submit and fail.

SOLUTION: For the users: Restart miners AFTER unlocking the wallet. For the coders: Force the wallet to disconnect after unlocking, to force miners to reconnect with new credentials. They are using the old credentials (keys) to submit to the "now unlocked" wallet.

Going to submit a similar bug report to cgminer also, but that is not the only miner program, and I do not use other miners. He might be able to detect something on his side, or force a "revalidate credentials", after x-minutes of mining. (So it does not keep mining on invalid credentials.)

I only lost a hour of mining before I realized it was not accepting my found blocks... Will be real annoying in the future, when blocks are harder to find.

I still say the first thing it should do after connecting, is try to submit a test-block, just to confirm it is working. (Test block would always validate, with correct credentials, but not result in any actual block. Like a clone-chain, that only has block-1 allowed in it.)

Still has checkpoint warning... (You know you are synced-up when you see that though!)
Love the new logo...

Looking for other viable direct services for the coins. (While also looking for general services for all alt-coins.)

Go right to the source... get pepsi and coke to add it to the vending-machines!

Just scan the code, and it credits you for the soda, then drops it! (Might have to contact the actual vendors for that. They all have wifi on those machines that tell them stocks and funds and alert the machine owners of "machine failures". Adding the software for the "sale" is just as easy.)

Yes, arcade time, without having to carry a pocket full of tokens! Skii-ball here I come!

Ignore that warning.

They updated a patch, and are in the process of updating the actual check-point "validation". The check-point and block is fine. When it says that, you are synced! lol.

There are tons of connections, you should not need any addnodes.

Takes a minute to get the "peer-list", but once you have those, you are golden. Using addnodes is only needed for dire situations and for "new coins". This coin is hardly new, and hardly difficult to find a node on the network.

Just don't forget to unlock your locked wallet, before you mine. (They really need a button for that! Or make it a popup on the lock, or a menu-selection under the encrypt wallet... Along with auto-lock on exit option. Would be better in code, to just allow deposits without the lock. Why would a deposit need to be checked for security. )

Great coin. Great launch.

P.S. QR-codes in the windows binary would be nice. Or disabling that menu item when it isn't included would be in order, since it does not do anything.

Fail... Um.... No that is BTC.

This coin is almost steadily above BTC mining value at 150%. Sounds like an epic WIN to me.

No premine +800 points in my book.
No easy-mine +1600 points in my book.
Earns additional value by holding, "off the market". +3200 points in my book.
Has tons of support, before ever hitting an exchange, with all of the above stated... +6400 points in my book.

That's over 9000!

Pisses off Breen2543... Priceless!

I am prepared for WW3 now, "The ASIC war", and all those hours playing Fallout-3 and all those days collecting physical bottle-caps will finally pay-off! Now how the hell do I scan my physical caps, to turn them into these fancy digital ones... Do I use an image-host, or do I need to send them to the crypt-keeper for encryption?

CAP 100%...

"I'm gonna pop a BOT in your ass?"... is not as intimidating as, "I'm gonna to pop a CAP in your ass!"...
or
BOT-gun vs CAP-gun... (Though, BOT-guns sound cool!)
or
Its cool to have a CAP on your head... Its just odd to have a BOT on your head...
or
Twist off the CAP and chug one down... If you figure out how to twist off a BOT, I don't think he will like it much! He may chug you down!

Then it is settled... we will call them BOB!

Sadly, the patch offers nothing other than nag-removal.

The issue of growing orphans is now almost up to 100%, thus, someone is/has created a fork attack. Have not found one pool without low orphans, and reward is about 0%-25% of the speculated diff rates. Thus, if the chart says you will earn an estimated 1000 per day, expect to get 0-250, if you can find a pool that is not hitting orphan after orphan after orphan.

This is only partly to do with the programs code, and more to do with the direct attacks that are feeding real pools invalid data to slow them down, while the attacker is building block after block on his private chain, invalidating all the legitimate blocks along the way.

(Within the same pool, blocks are orphaning with identical numbers, which is physically impossible with get-work, unless the coin code is messed-up. EG, user A finds block 12345 and then 2 min later, user B finds block 12345, which is obviously an orphan, but impossible as the pool has already found block 12345 and switched to block 12346... Thus, the attack. Purposely submitting fake data, to stall the pool, and the wallet/qt allowing that to be an acceptable submission. It shouldn't have ever been accepted in the first place, to have been resubmitted as an orphan.)

BFL did not state, "The money you are sending us is an INVESTMENT, with risk." Thus, it is a "product", and a "product that accepted USD or paypal or cc agreements". Those agreements, even when it clearly states, "no refunds", are the final word in any legal court. To even accept paypal, or a cc, you AGREE as a recipient of funds.... to offer a "reasonable return policy", and "adhere to all US laws". Which includes "returns", and deals with, "failure to deliver in a reasonable time", and also deals with what must be said if it is "a high-risk investment", as opposed to a "sale of an item".

There are also laws about "selling things you do not own", under the false pretense of, "ownership". (Thus, presales of un-owned property, which demands retainers for accounts, before you can accept any level of income from a "sale" of the "presale". EG, you can only oversell a certain amount, and must maintain enough within an account to refund or return a certain amount, in the event of failure or legal litigation.)

There is also the issue of accepting a valued trade, without reporting the value of the trade, or records of the trades, to be used for an exchange of goods or services. (Reporting BTC-value-earnings, which is done quarterly for a business, to be taxed as income.)

However, all is not lost... The price of BTC will rise again, once the "easy miners" have gotten enough debt, and can no longer settle for less. Eg, once they are no longer willing to accept less USD for the BTC they have earned. But they can still make money selling as low as $10 so don't expect the price to stop dropping at $50... They want that money more than you, even at $10-$20, per BTC. They can afford it, they make the machines that you are paying for, and taking your earnings before you can ever earn them, to cash those in too.

As if you didn't see this coming. Denial is a bitch! Join AA (Asics Anonymous)

uninstall the drivers, and reinstall them... if that does not work, try "repairing windows"... or if you did some funky adjustments to settings... undo them. You are telling it to do something it can not do, or you used a setting that was at the limit on a cold day, and over the limit on a hot day.

If you see a screen, and you can play a video, or do HTML5 with it... then the card is not dead, it is a driver failure. I assume, due to corruption of one of the drivers.

Unless your PSU just is not delivering juice when it opens the flood-gates. (But if it ran before, and no smells, then chances are slim that it is actually dead. Slim, not impossible. But no-one even attempted to help, just all assume it is dead. Easy to assume, hard to accept as a first-reply, with so little information, or any troubleshooting.)

You use one wallet, and mine off that, with all your miners...

You create a config file like this, where the wallet.dat is found.
(In the "Roaming" folder. EG: "C:\Users\YourUserLoginName\AppData\Roaming\Junkcoin")

FILE NAME: junkcoin.conf (Just a standard txt file renamed to what the miner calls itself, or expects to find, or you tell it to use.)

CONTENTS OF FILE: ###############################

splash=0
server=1
gen=0
testnet=0
daemon=1
maxconnections=100
listen=1

rpcuser=YourLoginNameForMiners
rpcpassword=SomeHardToGuessPassword
rpcallowip=*
rpcport=5555

################################# END OF FILE (Do not add this line)

The rpc port is how you connect... The IP for your wallet will be http://127.0.0.1:5555 for the miners on the same machine as the wallet. For the other miners on your HOME NETWORK... you will have to find your network address IP that your router gives the machine with the wallet.

EG, Looking at my wifi settings, I see my IP for this machine is like this...

NETWORK CONNECTION DETAILS:
IPv4 Address: 192.123.0.7

Eg, another computer on the home network may be 192.123.0.3... 4....5....6 etc... You want them all to connect to this one, with the wallet. The wallet will give them all work, and they will mine as one large machine. All depositing into that ONE wallet.

The website is still directing people to the old client... v6.4 in the downloads... And the threads all point to the website to download...

Where is the updated client, and why is it not on the official website links? This is the third attempt to get the patched version, without any luck.

Focus less on image, and more on availability and coordination of your resources. Directing people to download a wallet that does not function, and does not tell you the version until after it is downloaded is self-degrading to any future expansion. Seems you have to be "in the know" to get what should be "the only source available".

If the other versions don't work, remove them, unlink them, as they are not of any value or use.

Sold... now I need MNC or BTC.... anyone accept paypal?