Since these work through USB-hubs, as individual boards...

Would you guys be willing to sell just the miner-boards, minus the case, power-supply, server-board, fans.

I would love to simply build my own setup, and save cost/shipping on things I already have in my possession. I'll make an offer of $4000USD for another 1.2THs worth of just the mining-boards. Also, if anyone wants a return, for an order of a 1.2THs model, with an order-number below #968, I will be willing to give you the chance to surrender your order. (Mediated by AMT themselves, so they can just ship your order to me, and give you the BTC return.)

(This is directed at the trolls, not AMT. Not sure how there was confusion there. However, I can only remove my post of the name. Not the internet. The name is common, and public records. I was just showing how goofy it is that everyone thinks that "Some name", is somehow an actual unique ID.)

So every individual name is unique... You are so naive...

I see dozens of "NAME HERE", more in PA also... Seems a common name, like mine is. There are 53 of me, same full name and middle initial, two in my state, none are me.

Oh 114,000 results for that specific name (NAME REMOVED by request)... you type a lot, Mr.! lol.

Leave detective work to actual detectives.

So which is it... he is living in PA... or Bulgaria... How is he in both places at the same time! Show me that trick. He isn't Derren Brown!

I don't see any retorts to "Customers", I see retorts to "Trolls", who are not customers. They apparently have "done their detective work", and are sure about "not making a purchase". (No they are not, they are interested in trolling, to get a rise from AMT. Playing childish games.)

Just ignore the posts.

P.S. This was not intended to implicate Josh, or invade on his privacy, or the privacy of any other listed (NAME REMOVED by request), found on the public records, by google. (I apologize to all 28 of you!)

EDITED: By myself. As per request... (P.P.S. Edit the quote of the original unedited post. )

Freemasons in Bulgaria who go to BonJovi concerts! Run!

Funny that the linked-in symbol for "Skills and expertise", is a masonic symbol... Um, because a compass is a standard symbol for "Drafting", or "Education", or "Design". Linked-in is Masonic too!

Search for my e-mail, and you will find tons of unrelated things to me, as a "Developer of websites", which I also do in my spare-time, as well as web-hosting. So, you see everyone's "protected" websites information as my information. If you want to know about my customers, you have to ask me about them. Thus, protection for my clients.

So people can't visit other countries, or home-lands, but live and operate in another? My boss is from Turkey, he has pages in Turkey and USA. I assure you, he lives a few streets away from me, and has a business another few streets away, in the other direction.

This is just sad... lol. I have "Likes" for "Chinese Mafia", does that mean I am in the Chinese Mafia? Again, what does that have to do with selling technology? Bitcoins are world wide. So he is getting machine parts from a place that actually produces them. You prefer china-parts, get an Avalon. You prefer Swedish, get KNC.

Funny that so much effort is spent researching something you have no interest in. Yet, you few persist to seem "credible", with less and less real information. Completely ignoring any presented facts and reality. Still, it is entertaining to read. Reminds me of a tabloid-news that you see for $1.00 at the check-out counter, with the same "references" and misinformation of a no-name tabloid print.

What is next... Photo's of a guy in a dress with a whip, or kissing another man, or perhaps a photo of him shaking the hand of a mafia-freemason!

Ordering another one, just because I can, and because I know it will urk you a little. Might order two more, and send you one, just to shut you up. (I just wish I got that discount thing. lol. No, I don't want the discount.)

facts != subjection
large number? a dozen?
majority, of a dozen... like more than 6...?
Posting nowhere but here... because they didn't purchase something-else...

Just "My speculation"... but perhaps they heard about AMT, by google... purchased a miner... Thought, "Hey, lets see who-else made a purchase". Searched goolge again, found this thread/forum, read post, joined the forum, came to say hello...

Hello!

Myth (Opinion) busted.

No-one was born here, we all came here... What are the odds that your first posts were about a purchase you made, related to bitcoins... Um, like 95%. Since this is a bitcoin forum. People are not hanging out here for the trolling and pleasure of typing in a place they don't have a relationship with.

Since this is an official thread, and there has been "proof", at just about every level, can we stay on topic to the "official business". Keeping useless banter of unrelated subject matter and opinions of the unknown and troll-posts to a minimum. Banning people from the forums is only a click and a request away.

I get this cordinate translation... (Out in the middle of the woods. Wrong conversion.)
N42 39.235437 E23 23.265315

Or this... (Looks like a factory that makes things. Winner!)
N42 39' 23.5437" E23 23' 26.5315"
https://www.google.com/#q=N42+39'+23.5437%22+E23+23'+26.5315%22&safe=off
Front of building next door to the factory... "CEN"? CUCMEMA (System for electronic payments.)
Whole area is an industrial area, factories and offices... Neighbor, stated above, might be related.

Or this... (Out in the mountains. Wrong conversion)
N42.39235437 E23.23265315

You gave us this... (Out in the middle of a sand-pit. Wrong conversion. But close!)
N42.6586, E23.394714

So someone in Bulgaria is playing with an assembled board, at a factory office... What does that have to do with the price of tea in China? I doubt they would be making them in the USA, or they would cost thousands more.

Not sure about the CC thing, but I am sure that might have to do with reducing CC fraud/loss, for them. Or they just might not have CC setup yet. (It is expensive to accept CC's, and more expensive when you count the number of online CC frauds buying these things with stolen credit-cards.)

They give receipts for the transaction, which is enough for legal prosecution, if needed. These are not blind-transfers, to ghost-recipients, in a foreign country. Cool that you snooped the EXIF data though. You must be a frequent visitor to 4chan or reddit. (Part of investigation is actual investigation, not just looking at random data and making assumptions based off individual components. I could have looked at that ash-tray and told you the photo was from Bulgaria.)

NOTE: That same board, which WAS in Bulgaria, is now on the desk in the videos on google, in the Pennsylvania, USA offices. Same board, screws, power-supply... No Bulgarian ash-tray.
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=PWBgz0Mbx20

Just had to add that.

LOL'ed at this whole post...

EDIT: Freemasons are real... sort-of...
Just read a great deal about it. Thanks for expanding my knowledge indirectly.

"Obligation not to use token (a material thing), ... in a materialistic fasion." (Then why have that materialistic token? To NOT use it???

...."not acceptable to advertise... Freemason"... Is this fight-club... rule number one, tell no one...

Freemasons, is this 1820, or was that the 1400's? Isn't that from Indiana Jones and the temple of doom, the guys running around in the Shriner hats? (No offence if that was actually a serious post, and you are a Freemason. But "sort-of", as you said, isn't quite "absolute". I am sure a mason was named "Bob", so having the screen-name bob124 is masonic?!?!)

Sorry, had to chime-in on that post, it was impossible to sit silent upon. Nice touch with the "selling shovels" bit. Funny, because before I mined bitcoins, and built my machines, I mined gold with shovels and pans. That is what led me to bitcoins. What would be wrong with abandoning a dead business model for a better one, that is more advanced? If I might ask. All you need is money, and people who can use an easy-bake oven and silk-screen, which is any McDonalds employee. You don't have to be a rocket scientist to assemble most computer units. Hell, I am a high-school drop-out, and do more technical work than people with years of college. (Apparently, now I make more than some of them that I know too. )

I think BFL has more against them, in the past. However, like the above post, it is unrelated to the present.

NOTE: Correction to my previous link-text. I wasn't implying that the link was old-tech, that was a separate comment, referring to the 65nm designs and the erupter-blades, which are 2x more than the equivalent new-tech. It was just a coincidence that the link was also 2x the value of this specific 1.2Ths miner. (I am still getting people trying to sell me 100Ghs erupter-blade-rigs for $6000, which are being mass-produced by some Chinese company now. I assume the ones who originally sold them to the designers of the actual blades. )

Terahasher, I am sure it is just bad timing or something reasonably limiting the desired reply you wish for.

I do sympathize with your concern, as I am sure they do/will, once they manage to get a hold of you. Your account should still show all the status updates for your purchase. If you see nothing, there is nothing new to report.

In the end, being one of the first to make a purchase, you will still be one of the first to get your miner. A miner that few will get, before anyone. (There are not too many consumer THs models that even exist.)

They have a physical location, they have contact information, they are operating in the U.S.A... So, rest assured, if there were to be any "issues" that are "reasonably unacceptable", you do have that "consumer protection", which can be enforced. Just as BFL had to deal with.

Also note, for what it is worth, many shipping methods are delayed due to the severe weather. That, and standard "holiday shipping congestion". (Even if you don't have severe weather in your area, your packages may still be delayed, as you are not the only package being delivered. When one is backed-up, they all get backed-up. Not that this matters directly to you, but if they are getting the packages delivered, then it will impact you. This may also include the "pick-up" date, possibly being stalled.)

I understand... but I can not recall ANY store, selling any item, which "gives updates"... What exactly do you want them to do? Call every customer every day, and say... Only 14 more days... Only 13 more days... Only 12 more days... Only 11 more days...

You, by your, "Unusual pestering for updates", "Through voicemails and emails", are probably one of the reasons they are having difficulty answering any questions, anywhere. Pick-up date is Monday, so show-up monday, and pick it up. If they don't have it, then I am sure someone will "update you". If it ships that date, then expect the shipping information to be updated on your account. What other information could you possibly need, that would change anything, other than, "It's here, come get it!"

Sorry, but I personally believe you are being overly dramatic and demanding. Did you call Amazon every day, asking for updates on your x-box-one order, up until the date when they said that it was going to be available for shipping? (That was just my flavorful dramatic example... If you did actually do that, now I know why mine didn't get here on time. They were too busy trying to explain to you how buying things works. You buy, you wait, you get. At no point in buying, do you hound the business, unless it doesn't arrive... AFTER the date expected. Which has not arrived yet, by my watch... Monday is two days in the FUTURE, from PRESENT.)

Please, stop calling them, unless you want to cancel your order. They seem to be answering others calls. Perhaps you should be calling at a more appropriate time or day. Perhaps your email is showing as SPAM, and being ignored. Does your phone have an anti-automated caller-blocker? (One that does not answer unless it hears a real human voice response? Mine has that, and I don't get some important automated calls. They might use a call-back program, which is waiting to hear a human response also, before connecting the call.)

There is also the PM system here. Since this is the "official thread", and they have "filled us in", with more information... I assume you may get a direct response by the person who is responding, privately. (Since you stated, in public, over and over, that you don't want a public response.)

Just for the record, the "old chips", which you can buy easily in bulk (assembled in to prefab PCIe cards by the thousands), only cost about $12,000 per 1.2Ths. (That is the OLD chips, which draw nearly 1200w).

It makes sense that the new chips, which are not that new actually, are selling for nearly half. (Which is obviously a "early buyer" promotion. I am sure these will quickly rise to $12,000 once they begin rolling-out to "small consumers", while remaining about $6,000 to bulk-buyers.)

But they do lack customer-service for "small purchases". They are obviously inundated with millions of time-killing questions from people who don't even have actual money to pay for the item. Just as BFL had to deal with. They are not selling customer service, they are selling machines. Either you have the money to buy it, and buy it, or you don't, and are just wasting their time, and ours. (That is only to the trollers.)

By the way, there are few people who are in the forums who purchased BFL's 1.5Ths miners, and few who purchase the other 1.2Ths modules which stack by the dozens into cages. Those are big businesses, the ones selling cloud-mining services and who own the majority of the 7000+Th on the network now. Be glad that they are willing to sell such small quantities to us, at these prices, or they will eventually take that away from us too. Not selling unless we buy 10+ 1.2 THs machines at once.

Nothing is stopping you from buying the old crap at 60-100Ghs for $6000, which is still abundant and people are eager to get rid of.

Link, for those who don't mind paying 2x for old technology now... In bulk... (Which is a 3-month preorder too. Just for the record.)
http://virtualminingcorp.com/shop1/index.php?id_product=23&controller=product#/fh_exp_case_16_pcie_slots-no_expansion_case/fh_256ghs_module_a-1_280th_1_200_watts/fh_256ghs_expansion_a-no_256gh_s_expansion_modules

All units, by almost every company, are build-on-demand. It would kill them to pre-build, and stock items on the shelf that can't sell 3 months later. Perfect example is all the USB-stick miners. 800% loss for those. (If someone has something on the shelf, it is an item that was purchased and later canceled, or just real old and expensive to buy, with little or no ROI. Miners no longer determine market price. The best they could do was $180/BTC. This is now a buyers/sellers market, not a miners market. Honestly, you want a better ROI, buy bitcoins directly, every time they drop, or are lower then 20%-50% of the peak.)

Do not worry, as soon as my unit arrives, I will be giving a detailed review and hosting plenty of information for those who like to read about history.

"Extreme Miners" is a mining company that mines potash. (Possible stolen identity, pretending to be a legitimate company using this real companies "credentials".)

There is also a foreign group going by that same name, (non english), with a big "Minecraft" group. (Chances are, these creative individuals who are familiar with BTC and EMD, are bored playing minecraft, located in a city where they heard about the company "Extreme Miners", and decided to create a fictitious unreal company.)

But that is just my opinion. Judging by the "freeware blender 3D" renderings and free 3D objects they simply stole from an online source.

How these scam sites even make it to the wiki, is beyond me, yet all the legitimate businesses never show in the wiki. There are several ASIC chip makers now, and prefab boards rolling out of china by the dozens. Those should be moved to "Future-tech", since they don't actually "Hash", since they do not even "exist", thus, don't even have power.

New rule for Wiki... Nothing gets listed until it can be shown running, confirmed by someone who is not someone you select to confirm it, and you can actually show one sale.

This isn't E-3, advertisement space. There needs to be someone to stop fueling scammers, or potential scammers, by promotion through these "Once trusted" publications. The Wiki is turning into a highly unreliable source of information.

Even proof of a logo-copyright, would be sufficient for listing future-tech. (Or tax-ID# or some other form of actual business registration and contact information. Anyone can get a free website, so lack of any website, by a company "developing web hardware", is highly suspicious in the first place.)

Are you forgetting that air also comes in from the front of the case, and that these fins might actually be overkill for the unit. They would work better with air being shot directly through them. However, in both orientations you show, with positive pressure that is minimal, there will not be much change.

You forget that if you blow across the top, like a chimney, air is drawn-in from the sides of the fins. Same same. This is due to high-speed pressure drop. (The same thing that lifts an airplane wing up.) Being in that "cage" open on the front and back, air will travel through the fins anyways. The front of the cage has normal pressure, the back has low pressure. Thus, air flows in the direction they are oriented in the cage.

But I digress. If the heat-sinks are only for thermal dissipation, this will not matter one bit. At the stated wattages, these fins are 4x larger than they need to be. Orientation is moot.

I agree that the design could be better. CPU-cases are the worst thermal design to begin with. Thus the reason why all miners are normally open-design and milk-crate designs. (Or racks)

Why would we buy the smaller systems at this moment? They are old-stock or just not worthy of long-term use. As of todays difficulty, and falling value, the Ths models are the only items worth investing in.

Ebay is full of overpriced 60Ghs and 600Ghs models that are being sold to buy Ths models. As for me, it took me a while to trade some coins for more coins, so I had extra coins for myself, after my purchase. I can not attest to the other posts, but I think it is safe to say that with the abundance of ready-2-roll chips being produced, that this is hardly an issue now.

Do you have something against the 1.2 system, or our purchases? (It is 1.2, not 1.5, but that is an honest mistake, I am sure, on your part.)

I only found this post after googling for information about placing the order, because I had trouble with the payment method for the miner. (Which I assume most will be buying with BTC, at the moment.) They provided adequate proof of purchase, and information about the purchase. It was just the failure to "send", on my end, which interrupted the purchase process for me.

If Fed-ex is having trouble delivering it, then he needs to go pick it up. The company is not responsible for that, the recipient is. That is because it is heavy, or valuable, and they don't want it to get stolen. Or, he failed to answer the door to sign for the package, two times in a row.

P.S. It also says at the top of the page...
"IMPORTANT! A winter storm is causing delays and disruptions."

In the status it says, twice...
"Delivery exception
PHILADELPHIA, PA
Customer not available or business closed"

Thus, he didn't answer the door to sign for the package.

I just ordered another one... The one which "timed-out", is still pending.

You should add a "retry", or "cancel order", for when the payment part fails to process. (I was attempting to pay, but GOX complained the address was an invalid BTC address. It was not, just had to submit it again, and it went right through on the second order.)

BTC is up to a nice high... Buy them while it costs less BTC to place the order, before they raise the price of the machines, like BFL did with the miners. (Not that they will... But I am sure they might think about it now!)

#968
1.2TH/s Coin Miner (#AMT1200)

P.S. I have a birthday coming-up on the 24th of Dec. Feel free to donate a complimentary miner as a gift.

I am trying to pay, but the bitpay thing expires before I can send the transaction... How do I get it back? It shows the order as pending, but no way to actually pay it now?

So apparently CAP on cryptsy is broken... Every order I try to buy just makes my BTC disappear, without actually placing the order, or showing an order to cancel.

Anyone-else having it eat their BTC or coins?

Waiting doesn't bring back lost coins. It has been days now. (Guess that is why no-one is buying or selling, or changing prices much. lol, they can't.)

Ok, since people have a hard time contemplating value... I think I will offer a few words of advice and some constant notices of "Value". (Someone is making a ton of money off impatient sellers. The good news is that these losses should help keep the price from going lower. Unless they keep selling themselves short.)

When BTC value LOWERS, you want to RAISE the "SELL" price that you are asking for. Otherwise you are accepting LESS USD for your coins. (You have the same BTC, but that BTC is worth less.)

When BTC value RISES, you can LOWER your "SELL" price, and get the same USD, though you are actually getting less BTC. (Though, getting more is always better. Getting less is never wise.)


(USD:BTC) * (CAP:BTC) = (USD:CAP)
($1229) * (0.00004351) = ($0.05347379:CAP)

Previously it was over $110 per 1000 CAP or $0.11 per CAP. (Why would you SELL for half-off? Why would you let them buy it off of you for half-off, to the ones selling at the BUY prices! They are just relisting walls, lowering the value when you do that, making sure the next coin you sell is for even less!)

I should make my page that shows the actual dollar-conversion, since people are blind by the BTC-value, which is useless without knowing the dollar-rate of BTC. (I wish cryptsy had that option to see dollars and BTC value in the charts,. Even if you can't exchange for a dollar, you should still be able to list for the dollar-values.)

Just a word of caution... if that is a wall at 20K... I don't think it will work... Not at that price. I can see the charts, and there is lots of coins going in and going out.

Just a suggestion. (I wouldn't list it that high unless you intended to actually buy them.)

On a side note, looks like BTC may see a new high earlier than expected. This new price seems to be staying, if only for another month or two... I love market adjustments.

Just hit $1199, $1200, $1203. Move your positions back and snipe it up to a new high! There goes the 500BTC $1200 wall. lol.

P.S. While you were shopping, BTC crept back-up to $1181. I think it is actually going to top $2000 before Christmas. Just a gut feeling. no-one is stepping-up to knock it down. There was a chance, and the market just pulled right back up. (Leading the listings to higher values for a dump, I am sure... But for the small-guy, it's a great time to make a quick buck. List $100,000 worth of BTC and it just gets ignored. lol.)

Now if cryptsy would just stop holding my coins hostage, and fix their junk... I could rape the markets! LOL, I am trading cryptsy-points, because that is all that shows in my account. Made almost 0.01 BTC from those tiny reward points.