Those "Profitability to BTC" values need to be sampled by weeks... not "at current value", as the difficulty and value makes some of them seem wrongly above BTC, when the reality is, that they are not, by a long-shot.

EG, when diff drops on a coin that is 25% of a btc... it looks instantly like everyone will make 4000 coins because the diff dropped "for a moment", down to 0.124 as the market adjusted for a dry-spell... of no blocks. But then instantly jumps back up to the real value of diff 3.50 and thus, only 20 coins reward per hash-rate... (Using the weekly rates, or actual trade-rates/conversions/results of an actual running machine.. would give a better estimation for realistic comparison.)

Just saying...

Great expanded chart. But that pie-chart needs a way to be dissected, and needs sorting, and a slight rotation so it it not aligned to 0-deg-north, but -45-deg-north/west. lol. (Dissected = ability to remove BTC, or another large-volume chunk, to better "see" the comparison... or add the ability to compare any two, to BTC for the third.)

P.S. That auto-refresh is annoying... Trying to "remove items from the chart below" and the page refreshes and reverts it back to all listings... (That one starting at 250% of BTC should have that value clipped, it was an obvious "promotion" or false data, pumped. Makes it hard to see the other real values in the chart. Also... something that identifies the three-letter-code to the name... We have to KNOW or GUESS, since nothing on the page or popups says "TRC = Terracoin", etc...)

You know a good trick, an alternative to refreshing... simply load a hidden iframe with a "javascript" variable containing the "new data" and a command on-load to refresh the charts values, not the page. (Don't "refresh" an existing iframe, you use "innerHTML=loadnewiframe", so ti does not "click" like changing existing iframe code does... and it does not interfere with the back button.)

What are your AMPS for the 12v...

I see many crappy PSU's that "max" at 1000w, but 30% of that is on the 3.3v and 5v rails... Totaly useless power.

EG, your 12v rails might only be 18-20a each... 2 of them... Thus, you only have 240w max, per rail... If you put one rail on BOTH cards, and the other was on your hard-drive... you tried to draw about 500W through one of the 240w rails, and fried the "rail-regulator" as it attempted to divert power from the other rail.

Always get mono-rails... It is useless getting split-rails, unless you exactly match the rails to the loads, which is impossible to actually do.

The cards pull 250w each, CONSTANT, and up to 300w peak, at 100% load. (Clock and voltage dependent.) That is at a constant 12v source... at 11.5v, it draws up to 350w peak.

I would be willing to bet your rails fell below 11v, due to load, and the amps fried it up good.

Find a good 48amp 12v rail for two cards... and 68amp 12v rail for three cards. Respectively (576w and 816w maxes, on JUST the 12v supply... thus a 650w and 1000w PSU.) Just to be, "Safe".

Or underclock, and use a kill-o-watt meter to "see" your actual at-wall-wattage, so you can use a cheaper PSU and run it under 200w each card, with a 500w PSU for two, and a 750w PSU for three cards.

NOTE: If you get a cheap PSU to operate the fans separately at 100%, you can remove them from the power-draw of your computer PSU, and use a real cheap PSU to power the cards. Because about 25w is just for the fans, on each card... up to 35w on the three-fan models. (2.08a to 2.91a, when fans run 100% through the controller and regulator, which lowers the boards available voltage also.) Save more money by using 120vAC fans, not 12vDC fans, which consume more power to do a lot less... EG, a bathroom exhaust blower fan.

You could use 2x 500w PSU's to power the whole system. $25 for each PSU... as opposed to 1x overpriced $250 1500w PSU.

A "dollar", is a "Bank note", an "IOU", a "Check", a "FIAT"... Your money/value/note is "Spent" by them, as soon as you give it to them. It goes to the person who just requested a LOAN. You get another note, when you withdrawal, from the other person who just paid a portion of their loan, they got a year ago.. or ten... or 20...

Virtual-currency has "no cash value". (Can not be taken to a BANK, and exchanged for a BANK-NOTE.) Even if it can be exchanged with BOB for a BANK-NOTE, which is legal, since "This note is legal tender for all debts, public and private."

That does not make it "currency". Only a "regulated bank" can make it "currency"... Thus, BOB could refuse your bitcoins, as it is... "A private note, valid only by those who find it valid, for whatever they are willing to accept it for." EG, it is a comic-book, a baseball-card, a pez-candy-dispenser, a seashell.

It is illegal to refuse USA currency for goods, in the USA... It is not illegal to refuse bitcoins for goods in the USA.

Printing an "account number" of a USA bank does not make you a MINTER or a counterfeiter... because the ACCOUNT is not the CURRENCY.
Thus, printing your bitcoins account info, is NOT turning it into a "currency". Even if it can be used to trade, or given to someone for a debt. At that point, it is the "extracting party" who is responsible for any "gains", to report them. But bitcoins are, "no cash value"... thus... are not a gain. (Not until sold for an actual currency.)

Like I said, great idea.

I want a braille version with a 10,000 year shelf-life on metal media. Thermal and sediment ink just isn't reliable, unless it is sealed and specially cared for. (Not acid, UV, water or fire/heat safe.)



Neat idea. Best use of POS equipment ever!

I am not against spreading the word, and showing them how to use it...

I am against attempting to "put yourself in harms way", or others... by "claiming responsibility" for things beyond your control.

The idea has merit, using a POS terminal that gives "access" to wallets and funds, and ATM style machines to transfer to things like restaurant-tabs and store-purchases... etc... but to claim responsibility as an "exchange" is a LOT of work.

You realize that WU ONCE depended upon people "not claiming funds"... now the law says all unclaimed funds have to be sent to a special place, and held for 20 years, and if unclaimed, they go to the government, not back to WU.

That is why fees have risen over the past 20 years for WU. They also had to "refuse" certain high-volume transactions, which are suspect of "laundering", and those funds are also taken by the government, not WU. When you get into large-scale things, you need large-scale funds... not just open-source and group participation. That only works for "small-scale" things, where losses and risk are minimal. Being open-source opens you up to exploitation beyond your control, and places everyone who previously invested at risk. (Just like bitcoins do.)

Do you have thousands of dollars to invest into all the "legal aspects" of "being a money exchanger/minter/handler"... Including international lawyers, getting FDIC insured for transfered funds, reporting and recording all user info of all transactions over $10,000 USD... Ability to handle losses and gains from exchanges delayed by time. And over-all losses due to theft/laundering, which will NOT be "returned" to you by any insured agency.

Just saying...

Might want to leave the "big jobs" to the "big investors", who have many people below them to "absorb the losses".

If YOU are the "gateway", people will hunt you down and try to kill you, if you fail to "deliver" the "lost funds"... Are you prepared for that? The mafia, the greedy, the innocent who were "taken" through the use of your "system"... (But that is only worst-case scenario.)

I am sure someone sending $10,000 to family, will understand when you deliver it to the wrong person, and can't get it back... when you find that someone has taken that money without their consent, and given it to themselves in another account, and you can't track them down to get it back. I am sure that family will just "understand" and walk away... But a cartel-member might not, and they know where to find you... or, at-least... someone who operates that business.

If using a "wallet"... just run the program with these settings... in bitcoind/bitcoin-qt 0.8.2 (and 0.8.1 I believe)


https://bitcointalk.org/index.php?topic=219504.0

Yes, you need to accumulate multiple outputs, which will ensure delivery faster. However, not all of us are "rejecting" free transactions. That is mostly the pools, since they hoard the fees for themselves. Only paying miners for the 25BTC of the block, not the fees inside the blocks they build.

"Add recipient"
http://bitcoin.stackexchange.com/questions/4617/how-can-a-transaction-have-more-than-one-recipient-address

Once the ASICs get here, they will HAVE to accept free transactions, or they will run out of work to process.

Use a wallet program that doesn't manipulate YOUR fees, and doesn't LEECH what "it believes" (what the pool operators tell him to put), as a transaction fee.

You should not be damned to be charged for giving yourself money, or consolidating your funds into one location. The imposed minimums are a crock of shit. We are not at the point where they are needed yet. The programmers (who also get paid from pools), are doing this because they can, not because it is actually needed. (Seriously, are they trying to tell us that they are that bad of a programmer, that this is an actual issue?)

Seems like you are just trying to re-invent "paper-trading" of gold and silver... which is a failure that is killing china at the moment, and was banned in the USA.
http://www.zerohedge.com/article/trading-over-counter-gold-and-silver-be-illegal-beginning-july-15

Paper-trading = Trading values of gold, without having the gold present or available. (Trading with easily manipulated "margin calls", that only reward the exchanges that trade, which are unregulated.)

Again, you are just adding unregulated complexity to a screwed-up base-line system, that is just going to screw it up even more. Just program yourself an "exchange"... Use any available input of currency-types...
All the alt-coins (Bitcoin, litecoin, feathercoin, terracoin, mincoin, namecoin, devcoin, bbqcoin, freicoin, goldcoin, silvercoin, chinacoin, ppcoin, lxcoin, bytecoin, Lindens, IMVU-credits, gamegold, etc...) and real dollars... (USD, JPY, CNY, etc...)

Oh, wait... that would make you a FOREX broker marketer then... Using your own internal coin as your "uni-coin"... which wouldn't actually have to be mined, just compared to the value of each market, based on your customers supply and demands. (Like paypal does. You just reinvented paypal. Except you have no control over it, and will just be manipulated by alien forces beyond any control, that will eventually crash the market you created, itself.)

I swear, I saw a uni-coin running through the woods!

I'll get this bounty... Simply because you can't do anything you actually propose. lol.

Your talents are better focused elsewhere, where they can actually reward you with something substantial. Programmers should stay away from money. They just don't understand it enough to make it work like a non-programmer wants... (The ones with the actual money, not the virtual money.)

How we want it to work...
I give you a twinkie to hold, I expect a twinkie back in a week, not half a twinkie the second I put it in your hands... not two twinkies, but that would be cool!

We don't want to hear that our twinkie is given away to someone who didn't have twinkies, just because he had a big mouth and takes a bite out of every twinkie that ends-up in his hands, and now there are no more whole twinkies left... but if I wait long enough, I'll get two-halves of a twinkie from the next two people who will give that same person one twinkie each. Give it to the neck-beard, he will eat it, give it to the twig-n-bones girl, she will eat it... Now I am going to starve, after feeding all those who didn't need my twinkie, but all wanted it. I'll be lucky if I get my twinkie back at all!

You also forget, it is the "marketers" who decide what the "value" is... and you have no control over that.

This can be pumped-and-dumped like all the other markets. You just buy your own overpriced coins on your own exchange, paying the fees which will be marginal to your rewards, to make it look legitimate. (Thus, the actual records would be shown, but the history would be "erased" by your "compression of removing transactions and keeping balances". Like what they do with bitcoins now, through the exchanges of unlinked transactions/accounts. Only coins sent through an exchange change the "value" of the exchanges charts. A private sale would not be tied to a monetary-exchange, and thus, hold no "market-altering-value".)

A marketer simply has to lie, and SAY the listing "value" is higher, or lower than it actually is, stopping you from listing lower than that price for a sale, thus, making you list a higher price, which makes room for their pump-and-dump coins to be injected and purchased from themselves. What so you think that spike in the market was, where coins were sold for $250... That was the marketers pushing the listing value up, so they could sell the coins they held at $200 per coin... Then the market came back to reality.

P.S. Being RAM dependent is NOT sufficient... Ram is cheap, hard-drives are TB's of virtual-ram, and "Web-servers" have more RAM, in-hand, than you could possibly fathom. However, that will slightly HINDER the ASICs... it will be only a fraction of the hindrance you imagine, as they are plugged-in to a "computer with ram". "Proof of work" is a neat concept, but a waste of power. Proof should be actual transactions, not useless "coin creation". (That should be a reward for "transaction processing", when No transaction fees are present... Like for refunds/reversals/moving-funds-to-your-other-accounts.)

That ONE thing there, would make it illegal for use in the USA. (Destroying a history of transactions.) Being a MINTER, will require these records also. Unless you don't intend to allow people to use actual "bank notes" (currency), to be exchanged for the virtual currency.. but without a "central authority", you have no control over how, and who uses it... thus, it will legally be assumed it IS being exchanged, and that individual IS a minter, and they ARE legally responsible for exchanges and distribution of mined "exchangeable note currency", and the records of the exchanges, to operate in the USA, legally.

Reversibility does not need a "central authority"... Giving a USER the ABILITY to REVERSE a transaction SENT to THEM... (Return = non-taxable proof of "no-earnings".) They decide if they want to reverse/refund a transaction to THEM... Otherwise it looks like more income to the other person, and to you, and you BOTH have to pay taxes for income that was not actually made. (To also provide proof in the "List of non-deleted transactions", in the event of "being summoned to a court of law", which will require unaltered proof of that transaction, up to 20 years later.)

Oh, I see... you want to use only foreign investors that "Are not part of the United Nations Agreements"... Then continue... lol...

If you have to go into that much explanation, just to get people to understand it... (And I am not seeing any advantage, just more overhead.)...

Than it might not be worth the added effort.

Perhaps you should work on the shortcomings of the existing coin, instead of just adding more complexity to an overly complex idea that has had almost every "complexity" bypassed, and thus, nullified of its original intent... Thus making it all overhead, just to operate it and keep it sustained.

Just my 2-cents...

Issues with the current system...
1: Originally based off, "luck" to encourage competition. Just discouraged everyone, so they made pools, which defeated luck. Thus, wasted overhead. (Also led to the discovery of the 51% attack.)
2: Horrible exponent curve for "reward", leaving little to offer past eight years of mining, unless fees are driven-up to near-rape-costs, just to convince someone to process an actual transaction in the future. Thus, no-one will want to waste time processing orders for dirt.
3: Failure to think ahead about "network issues"... When the future is down to the top three "controllers/bankers"... they will have to process EVERY SINGLE TRANSACTION each... (Only 3 confirms, unless they do it twice, thus, wasted overhead. There will not be 6, because 3 will barely make money, and less than 3 results in the 4th issue below.) That is a LOT of high-speed networks and "centralized control", with high overhead, and many offices in many countries, needed for each of the three top guys!
4: There must be three, or you get an unbalanced and unavoidable 51% self-attack that can never be corrected by the other. If one of those three goes down, the entire network has to shut down, or results in a 51% self-attack again...
5: Reward system is setup to completely crush any lesser individuals (the majority), who "created" the system. As opposed to just rewarding those for the efforts they actually expend. (Individuals, not machines. Machine advancement = less effort that results in more work, thus, reverse of realistic acceptable and logical intention.)
6: Reversibility, Trust-limited-transactions, and Corrections. (You actually tackle some of that.) Not that it should be FORCED, but it should be AVAILABLE.
7: Actual accounts, for those who want to "work in the confines of the 'legal-system', without penalty"... Again, AVAILABLE, but not FORCED.
8: Solidity... Something that limits rewards, IF transaction-fees are supplemented... Thus, stopping market-flooding of dead-earned credits that just cause a liquid market that screws with people's desire to use it, for anything other than a pump-n-dump or paper-trader-market. (Like gold and silver.) And/or takes "transaction quantity/volume" into that formula of reward.

Might want to have an ACTUAL market-study done on your "modifications", before you spend all this time developing something that is just going to amplify the bad, and turn itself into a self-sacrificing currency. (Like bitcoins are destined to become, in the not so distant future.)

EG, Building YOUR system off THIS system, is like using monopoly money as your base-line for a "system"... It just won't work in this aspect.

The bigger problem is that "transaction volume" is decreasing down to what it was when bitcoins were selling for $10 per 1 BTC.

Has no-one noticed this yet?

Unless we convince more places to "use bitcoins", with the many easy integration toys out there... (buy now buttons, web-shop integration, etc...) and convince them that is the ONLY way we intend to pay... also suggesting a decent transaction fee, where possible... (If the pool operators would be kind enough to share those too.)...

Then there will be ZERO transactions...
Zero transactions = Zero blocks found... Even if you have a 400THs machine... Zero transactions = 0THs, without a block to build.

We will all soon see...
"Waiting for work, miners idle. AVG: 0GHs"

You want to make money MAKING coins.. then YOU have to promote them... to use them... not just stock-pile them and "hope" the value rises, and people are still willing to pay that high price.

I joke, and ask everyone this...
"Got change for a few bitcoins?"
"Too bad you don't take bitcoins, I'd buy a lot more."
"Have you heard about bitcoins? Someone gave me one the other day..."

Stop telling people how EASY it is to make them, and start talking about how they can use them to buy crap. You are just decaying your own future value, inviting more miners here, and helping them take your portion of the pie faster!

Adding to comment...

Unless they were never sent any of the funds in the first place... From the gambling site, who "knows", that mtgox is not an acceptable deposit. As far as you know, they just kept the funds, and said they sent them. Ask them for the address they sent the funds to. The proof should be there, in the block-chain.

Yea, it is not wise to use an "exchange" or "trader" as a "personal bank/wallet". They are there only to get money from you, and give it to you... not to your friends. If they failed to send it to you, or get it from you... then you could justify your complaint. However, YOU abused the system, and got burned.

There are warnings all over. Obviously you don't read the "I agree..." things you sign.

You made the choice to send it to an account that wasn't yours. You gambled, and lost. That is NOT their problem if the person you sent the money to, did not return it to YOUR account, with the correct method. Stop gambling... or do what is legally required for a dispute... "Get a police report, make a case, present the case with the evidence to a judge, and have it settled."

If you are in Germany, you should use a German exchange. Why risk using a foreign exchange? Did you plan on flying there to settle the dispute? Do you have "international lawyers" to settle your disputes? Then stop dealing with international crap! Hmmm, regulation and insured handlers are not looking so bad now, after all... are they...

The only problem I have with this chart, is this assumes "no-one except you" has one at the time, and the market is "frozen", in VALUE and DIFFICULTY.

Try making that chart showing...
- Your percentage of "todays market", and estimated percentage after EVERYONE has one of these devices.

You see, the more that are sold, the less EVERYONE makes. We are just slicing up the same pie into smaller pieces. However, our "available" slices decay faster than expected because the "producing hardware persons", are making the majority of components for themselves. (Since it costs them less to make them, and we keep giving them our money to build themselves units for free.)

The price is not rising as fast as the losses, because a majority of the holders and "new producers", do not have those losses. (Though they are freely cashing-in on our losses.)

Even a modest projection of "the current trend", would be a better assimilation of "potential yield"... (But you have to forecast realistically, not with any "potential exponential estimation crap.")

Also take note to notice... "number of transactions"... the less transactions, the less work there is to process. Thus, more down-time for ASICs in the future, then GPUs. 100THs is 0THs if there is no "buying and selling" going on. 0-blocks per hour... (Funny, that will make the difficulty drop majorly... and one person who gets the first order will rake in the rewards! lol... 25 blocks solved in an hour to the first ASIC to load the work... 0 for the rest of the pie, as the difficulty instantly shoots back up into the billions.)

Look at BBQ, Terra, and Min coins to see what I am saying...
With all the GPU's mining that LOW difficulty, the apparent "daily mining value" jumps from $20 a month to mine, to $500 a month... Though, in reality, it is only about $21 a month. Only ONE miner got multiple blocks solved at once, the difficulty shot up, and then no-one found and for hours... Same will happen with ASICs.
http://dustcoin.com/mining

There are two types of grounds...
- True-Ground (Normal ground, all metal components touching.)
- Isolated-Ground (What is commonly called the "-12v, -5v, -3.3v rails" or "common".)

Not all PSU's are created equal. Some use the "Ground" as the "Common", without isolation. (Ground-loop isolators.)

It does not matter how many "points" you have, as long as you have ONE point that is low-resistance. (Copper wire) Adding more points will help to ensure that you are adequately shielding RF noise, from both emanating and absorbing it. There is no "issue" of "ground-looping", through the high-resistance "STEEL-ALLOY" cases. (Unless you have faulty or ill-speced equipment and wires.) You do guarantee that the potential damage from shock, or accidental "short-circuiting" is limited, with correct grounding. Without it, you just open your system up for potential harm and damage.

Can you live without ground connections... Yes.
Will you damage anything without them... Not just by the absence of them.
What will happen without them... Slightly more "noise" in your AM/FM radio, and your CFL lights may "disrupt" some high-speed data-lines, but those will auto-adjust. Plus static-sounds and pops or "whines/humming" in your sound-card/speakers.

What is proper and safe, is to encase the entire unit with the ground, with multiple connections to that ground.

Ground points on a computer...
- The PSU case/screws
- The tower case/screws
- The mobo risers/screws
- The card mount-plates/screws
- The "common" wires on all DC plugs
- The hard-drive case/screws

Electricity takes the "path of least resistance", thus, most "ground/common" power will ALWAYS flow through the low-resistance copper wire. However, ESD and RF don't care about resistance, and often travel faster across high-resistance surfaces. (Plastic/skin). That is the "purpose" of ground-shielding and ground-isolation. (Ground-isolation is just higher points of added resistance, ti "ensure" that the lower-resistance is traveling where it is more desired. In the event of over-loading, additional GROUND -volts, will be allowed through any isolated connection, which is desired, to reduce damage/fire/heat/wires.)

Low-resistance - High-voltage things...
- Spark-plug wires (98% resistance, glass-insulated.)
- Capacitors (The inner plates separated by insulated material, glass, plastic, air, oil.)
- Van-de-Graaff generators (Rubber/leather is the "source" and the highest resistance.)
- Wimshurst-influence machines (Ebony or plastic or glass is the "source" and highest resistance.)
- Trees, you, diamonds or anything organic with a carbon-base... but not carbon itself, which is low-resistance, with the ONE exception for lattice-diamond-structures. (Carbon fibers even have "apparent" negative resistance.)
http://www.wings.buffalo.edu/academic/department/eng/mae/cmrl/Apparent%20negative%20electrical%20resistance%20in%20carbon%20fiber%20composites.pdf

You want cheap, and functional... get an M1400 Motion-computing tablet. (Windows vista ok, win-7 not sure.)

Like $99, with a digitizer tablet (wacom built into the screen). Has WiFi, Bluetooth, finger-scanner... low power, low heat, low noise... perfect to display as a "cover" for the devices behind it. (The miners)

http://www.ebay.com/itm/M1400-T003-Tablet-Touch-Screen-/130917882927?pt=US_Tablets&hash=item1e7b505c2f

I use the M1400 and LE1600 ($100-$200) LE has 3G in addition to the above...

http://www.ebay.com/itm/Motion-Computing-LE1600-Tablet-Slate-Laptop-1-5Gh-1-5GB-30GB-View-Anywhere-/281114184842?pt=Laptops_Nov05&hash=item4173b60c8a

I use afterburner... I have profiles setup for "1 = SAFE-LOWPOWER", "2 = BITCOIN", "3 = SCRYPT", "4 = TESTING", "5 = DEFAULT"

CGminer attempts to "control your card", using settings you have in the BAT file, or the conf file... (Or default settings if you have none, the ones set by the drivers/control-center/afterburner.)

Those often conflict with the "card drivers" or "overclocking tools" settings. They do not "initialize" correctly. (Eg, setting voltage low, while the clock is still high, causes it to fail, thus, HW ERROR...)

This results in constant failure upon reloading cgminer... until you fire-up your drivers-controllers, or overclocking-controllers (afterburner), and "Reload some profile" that is "safe"... If you catch it at the right time, the voltage MAY not actually set first, letting the clock lower first...

EG... I have a profile that is 1100-CoreVolt 900-CoreClock 1600-MemVolt 300-MemClock...
But my profile for CGminer, in my BAT file, is... 1200-CoreVolt 1075-CoreClock ----MemVolt 150-MemClock

So... when the core-volt is set UP, that 900-MemClock is functional, until cgminer can raise that to my higher settings also... If I had the core-voltage higher, and matched to a 1180-CoreClock... then tried to lower the voltage first, to 1100 while the CoreClock was still at 1180, that would cause a HW error, because the cards fail loading the profile as they crash in the setup, and thus, return to a default "safe" value, or remain half-set.

Resolved by simply "loading" and "applying" my safe profile in afterburner, then re-running CGminer... fixes the HW errors... unless I have a setting that is causing a HW error, then that has to be fixed in my profile. Because something-else I SET that is setting, is failing.

Any netbook, $300 new... $100 used.

Great, you got it to work with ONE card, or two... You are running over POWER if you have more than 3 cards... So stop acting like you know what you are talking about. He said a "regular old motherboard", not a "Motherboard with PCIe controllers that also have an advanced PCI controller." You use these on a motherboard without a PCIe controller? How many at once?

You DID NOT use more than 3x 7970's... you may have gotten one or two to work, and run crappy.

I said "MIGHT"... I was not talking out my ass... I have dealt with those "types" of adapters before. They are real specific. You were not. Thus, my expressed concern.

Glad to see you cleared that up for them. But what I said still holds true.

In the end, it is still a PCI, at the lowest component. Great, if PCI is all you have left for connections. However, it would just be better and cheaper to buy a board with 6-8 PCIe slots.

Sorry, would you rather that I have just mislead everyone into thinking that ALL those kinds of PCI->PCIe risers are equal? Like you are doing.

That SPECIFIC card states... "PCI Express Specification Version 1.0 Compliant", Thus, not PCIe 1.1, 2.0, 2.1, or 3.0 Great you have ONE card/mobo that is compatible. Not all cards/mobos are. I can name many that are not... I have them all right here. Your graphics card states, "must use a 2.1 or greater", or "must use a 3.0" slot for a reason... You have no clue what damage you are going to do... Great, it works for a few hours, or a month... then what, smartass?

And THAT card, has NO POWER... (That is the other reason it is not greater than 1.0, which has higher power requirements. Doesn't matter if you added power... That card alone, does not PROVIDE it. So STFU, and stop acting like you know what the hell you are talking about. Did you even read the OP's post, or read about THAT riser? You do realize there are more than one of those types of risers, correct?)

Because INTEREST = +1.5% and INFLATION = -8.5% thus LOSSES = 7.0% by keeping money in SAVINGS.

Taxes = 6% thus... you save another 1% by spending what you earn, ASAP.

Reality... Everything in CC sales = 16% to 35% losses... Thus... Bank-lenders rob you twice... once lending, and again when saving. They do NOT have that much overhead.

Bitcoins... FTW, what's mine, is mine... Earnings... 100%