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And who are YOU then, FBI himself, if so how you plan to return us our own crypto which is legal and not laundered?
I am realistic person that knows how these kinds of investigations works |
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I am going to try to explain this to you guys in very simple terms and short sentences, in the hope that everyone understands it:
* BTC-e is gone. It will never come back online
* BTC-e's servers have been seized by the USA FBI
* The USDOJ indictment of BTC-e was from JANUARY 2017
* It was only unsealed after Alex Vinnik vacationed in Greece and they saw an opportunity to arrest him
* The USDOJ sat on the sealed indictment for SEVEN MONTHS waiting for Alex Vinnik to leave whatever safe-haven country he was in so they could arrest him. Then he went to Greece for "holiday" and they swooped in. They were sitting on this for the last seven months. Waiting.
* BTC-e had servers in Secaucus, New Jersey, USA. This is easily verifiable if you look up the DNS history for btc-e.com and blockchain history. They had at least SIX different IP addresses acting as either full bitcoin nodes or at least wallets from 2011-2014. The were running their servers in USA. Just as the USDOJ indictment says they were.
* The FBI had access to the servers for a long time. They likely monitored them with pensticks (bridge adapters that dump all network traffic to a connected hard drive) and took images of the servers' hard disks. They could have done this easily and it could have been done frequently over the last few years. The server were only just seized this last week, but they probably already had been monitoring the servers the last year+
The FBI has everything. BTC-e is gone. Anyone remaining at BTC-e are FUGITIVES from USA FBI and will definitely disappear or be caught.
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Ok, did a little research. Btc-e.com domain definitely is seized by the authorities (it's not still in control of the original owners anymore) - but this is very common and I am sure the original owners were expecting this to happen anytime. Seizing a .com domain just takes one court order to the ICANN (the domain overviewing organization) and the domain is in control of the authority requesting access. This is why, most notorious websites like to use cctlds (like .ru, .cn and so on). Many people think that the BTC-e owners are doing an exit scam by putting up a seized notice on the website themselves and withdrawing all the coins to other wallets. But that is not the case, as we shall see below.    Now, the ETH moving to another wallet is interesting. I am sure the ETH wallet is NOT yet seized by the authorities - because if it was, they wouldn't have sent all the ETH to a wallet ( https://etherscan.io/address/0x8eb3fa7907ad2ef4c7e3ba4b1d2f2aac6f4b5ae6) that receives 0.001 to 0.0001 ETH every few minutes (it is probably a small miner that is paying to this address). If we remember the Silk Road case, the FBI transferred all BTC to a brand-new wallet with no transactions happening. So, the ETH have been moved a wallet that is still in control of the team and not the LE authorities. Future prediction - Probably the site will come back online on a different domain other than btc-e.com. It could take longer than expected. And hopefully, all the customers will access to their funds like before. I think we all appreciate your research but really, you're fucking delusional. BTC-e is GONE. It is entirely kaput. They are on the run from USA FBI! There is no possible way that BTC-e ever comes online again. |
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Un-fucking-believable that Kraken would actually return the error to you instead of a regular plain 400 or 500 error.
They actually returned a Python exception to you?
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BTC-e is a crime scene. If USA FBI has control of the private keys (I'm certain that they do) then we're all FUCKED. Except maybe some americans that can get their coins back through legal in USA
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ya right. USA government has everything right now. their "inictment" was from January 2017. that . means they already got all the necessary legal shit to hack btc-e and prepare for this takedown. they already had everything in place since the last 6 months
There certainly seems to be a case in this thread of underestimating law enforcement. These guys will have done a lot of groundwork and collected a lot of evidence for this case. This isn't just two cops in a panda car cuffing a guy. When things go right, the FBI (etc) issues a takedown and seizure of funds is the headliner in the press release. Not the case here. = No one has any idea what they will do with the seized funds. The FBI doesn't just immediately move funds. For the same reason that they didn't redirect BTC-e.com immediately. They let it sit for a day or two. And then they changed the nameservers. |
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ya right. USA government has everything right now. their "inictment" was from January 2017. that . means they already got all the necessary legal shit to hack btc-e and prepare for this takedown. they already had everything in place since the last 6 months
There certainly seems to be a case in this thread of underestimating law enforcement. These guys will have done a lot of groundwork and collected a lot of evidence for this case. This isn't just two cops in a panda car cuffing a guy. There are, like, 7 USA government agencies investigating BTC-e for really serious crimes. I mean yikes! nobody is ever going to see BTC-e again. |
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There is not even a remote possibility that BTC-e will ever come online again. All of their accounts have been frozen. Their domain has been seized. Even if the FBI hasn't assumed control of the wallets, you think that the fugitive btc-e admins are just going to set up their site in order to let you get your coins back?
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Since ETH balance automatically transferred to new wallet, it could mean that those 5-10 days could be some kind of 'dead man switch' that will be activated.
How do you know that ETH balance was "automatically" transferred to a new wallet? If you check https://etherscan.io/address/0x8eb3fa7907ad2ef4c7e3ba4b1d2f2aac6f4b5ae6first 3 transactions are completed on exact full hour difference, 4th 10mins after and 5th could be some troll. So first 3 transactions looks like automatic dead man switch probably executed or confirmed by 0.0001 sent back to original ETH balance wallet from https://etherscan.io/address/0xf886abf45d68611078b5f66d450f76beb1dd8234Also there is a quote of Balthazar who is familiar with BTC-e (don't have the original post link): "Well, ETH stash is still incomparable to BTC wallets. Anyway, FBI would notify everybody in the world in case of successful seizure of funds. So I think that it's just a new wallet created by automatical task which is still function properly. It looks like at least some part of exchange's infrastructure is still up." We shall see if US gov says anything about money in the next couple of days. Balthazar was too quick to say that FBI would notify everybody. They might do that but not the same minute they have moved ETH balance. But anyhow it looks to me like it was some automatic script doing that ETH balance transfer. Sounds like epic BS to me. In which country were these "FBI" supposed to be doing this seizure? 5-10 days  ya right. USA government has everything right now. their "inictment" was from January 2017. that . means they already got all the necessary legal shit to hack btc-e and prepare for this takedown. they already had everything in place since the last 6 months |
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I think it would be in the best interests of the other operators of BTC-e to create a new domain and transfer the old website to a new domain. They can then allow their old users to access their accounts and withdraw them to other wallets off the site.
here we go again. BTC-e admins are FUGITIVES from the UNITES STATES government and FBI!!. theyr not going to open up the exchange again just to give you back your coins. they are running and going under ground with all of every bodies coins. or they are caught. |
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... no limits for deposit or withdrawals without veryfing and so on?
you've got to be kidding me. these are the exact reasons that they just got shut down an all of their assets seized. you just looking to get burned again? |
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From my understanding, from reading the indictment, BTC-E did have servers in United States.
Yes they did have servers in the USA but only according to the "world police" USA. PDF of the indictment is here: btc-e indictment (click the link "Download Vinnik Superseding Indictment Redacted" at the very bottom of the page). So now, please define "server". BTC-e.com had a lot of servers in multiple countries. It was not only cloudfare.com but also for example pusher.com (api for realtime trading data to extend the (polling) REST api). Now, if BTC-e delegated (outsourced!) some parts of its service to services like cloudflare or pusher, did they themself operate servers in the USA? That is the question. You can make the comparison with Swiss banks. Swiss banks (UBS and others) actually did send their employees to the USA, they acted within US territory and hence in that case the Swiss banks and the according employees were really guilty. But in the case of BTC-e, running some btc-e servers located in USA without any BTC-e staff on site I cannot see any infringement. Their site domain registration, dns, and email was all in the us, by us companies. why wouldn't they also be dumb enough to host servers in the us? |
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US or BTC/e owners withdraw the ETH for the fine to be paied,....
they wont allow anyone to pay their fines with the actual funds that were seized as part of the criminal investigation lol |
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