BTC-e hacked ??

[European Central Bank]

What if btc-e admins dump database with every email address and balance after fbi seized their funds and 51% of btc,ltc,etc. miners decide to empty fbi addresses containing stolen fund and refund the innocents?

In the end all cryptos are open source, everyone is free to modify and run the version they want so it will not be anything illegal.

This will send a strong message to US that if they play dirty the community can play dirty too.

they wouldn't do it if 20 million coins were seized, let alone a few thousand.

ethereum wouldn't any more either. this is in no way an existential threat. it's a tragedy for the people who lose out if they are seized. that's it.

[locked_in]

From my understanding, from reading the indictment, BTC-E did have servers in United States.

Yes they did have servers in the USA but only according to the "world police" USA.

PDF of the indictment is here: btc-e indictment (click the link "Download Vinnik Superseding Indictment Redacted" at the very bottom of the page).

So now, please define "server".

BTC-e.com had a lot of servers in multiple countries. It was not only cloudfare.com but also for example pusher.com (api for realtime trading data to extend the (polling) REST api).

Now, if BTC-e delegated (outsourced!) some parts of its service to services like cloudflare or pusher, did they themself operate servers in the USA?

That is the question.

You can make the comparison with Swiss banks.

Swiss banks (UBS and others) actually did send their employees to the USA, they acted within US territory and hence in that case the Swiss banks and the according employees were really guilty.

But in the case of BTC-e, running some btc-e servers located in USA without any BTC-e staff on site I cannot see any infringement.

Their site domain registration, dns, and email was all in the us, by us companies.  why wouldn't they also be dumb enough to host servers in the us?

[ChainSmoker]

I don't know i should consider myself lucky or unlucky.I cashed out 1500$ worth of bitcoin from btc-e on 22nd and after 2 days site went offline.I still got 80$ stuck there  

[CaptainClaw]

I don't know i should consider myself lucky or unlucky.I cashed out 1500$ worth of bitcoin from btc-e on 22nd and after 2 days site went offline.I still got 80$ stuck there  

If all you lost is $80 I think you should consider yourself in the top 1% of luckiness

[shrodix]

There are slight chances that BTC-e is moving this eth balance......

1. they moved 0.0001 out to new account
2. they sent back 0.0001 but from different old account, seen 50 days ago receiving payment from Poloniex (https://etherscan.io/address/0xf886abf45d68611078b5f66d450f76beb1dd8234)
3. then moved entire ETH balance

Unless US had prepared ETH account 50 days ago it seems that BTC-e is moving this ETH balance. Or am I wrong somewhere being too optimistic?

You're right. Very interesting.

[ChainSmoker]

I don't know i should consider myself lucky or unlucky.I cashed out 1500$ worth of bitcoin from btc-e on 22nd and after 2 days site went offline.I still got 80$ stuck there  

If all you lost is $80 I think you should consider yourself in the top 1% of luckiness

Yes indeed 80$ only but it doesn't make me happy to lose that too.I was considering to cashout all balance at end of the month to prepare for fork but then decided to cashout early.Left there 80$ to trade and lost it.

[Thangz]

Its Saturday in America , they don't work on weekends so it prob not feds moving coin or the be on TV bragging about it......and to the dude who lost 80 buks, if I only had 80 buks on btc-e I wouldn't even be following this news lol

[bj9k]

There are slight chances that BTC-e is moving this eth balance......

1. they moved 0.0001 out to new account
2. they sent back 0.0001 but from different old account, seen 50 days ago receiving payment from Poloniex (https://etherscan.io/address/0xf886abf45d68611078b5f66d450f76beb1dd8234)
3. then moved entire ETH balance

Unless US had prepared ETH account 50 days ago it seems that BTC-e is moving this ETH balance. Or am I wrong somewhere being too optimistic?

You're right. Very interesting.

It seems that second transaction (that 0.0001 sent back from 3rd account) was a trigger for automatic script to complete ETH movement to a new wallet.


NEW TRANSACTIONS, again 0.0001:

https://etherscan.io/address/0x8eb3fa7907ad2ef4c7e3ba4b1d2f2aac6f4b5ae6
https://etherscan.io/address/0xf886abf45d68611078b5f66d450f76beb1dd8234

This new 0.0001 transaction appeared exactly 3 hours after ETH balance movement.

IRC chat for BTC-e: http://webchat.freenode.net/?channels=#fegbox

[SEELE^^01]

wow, you just only lost 80bucks and crying.... feel yourself lucky as fuk and dont brag here... the majority of ppl lost more than 10k+, or even 200k+, well.. i dont even want to know how many ppl would fuk the us or even some criminal masterminds

[ChainSmoker]

Its Saturday in America , they don't work on weekends so it prob not feds moving coin or the be on TV bragging about it......and to the dude who lost 80 buks, if I only had 80 buks on btc-e I wouldn't even be following this news lol

That would make you do the same mistake again with other exchanges as well which is to never hold anything on exchanges.I am a long time bitcoin holder now.that's why i feel pissed to do that mistake.

[shrodix]

Can't foreign investors sue the Justice Department in the US if they don't get their money back? Afterall they're taking money from people outside the US following laws that are not their laws. This is basically like stealing since most people in BTC-e were not doing anything wrong basically.

Are there any EU citizens? If we don't get our money back, we should sue US.

I doubt anyone can sue the us gov.  1 thing though is when the poker sites got their domains taken years back it didn't stop customers getting money in the end. The poker sites just had to pay fine and block US customers.

Yep. Btce can transfer the coins to another website like xbtce which already block US users.

[Thangz]

Its Saturday in America , they don't work on weekends so it prob not feds moving coin or the be on TV bragging about it......and to the dude who lost 80 buks, if I only had 80 buks on btc-e I wouldn't even be following this news lol

That would make you do the same mistake again with other exchanges as well which is to never hold anything on exchanges.I am a long time bitcoin holder now.that's why i feel pissed to do that mistake.

Ya well Holding don't gain u any coin, I'm not a moron I kept what I could afford to part with on btce if sht hit the fan.....Holding bitcoin wont make u any extra coin id rather trade and gain and take a hit if u have to.....in the long run trading pays more..............so everyone saying told ya so don't keep coin on a exchange can stfu and start sayin keep what u can afford to part with on exchanges.......if it wasn't for exchanges the coins you hold wouldn't be worth what they are

[xtimus]

Looking at the 2 recent 0.0001 ETH transactions from poloniex wallet which has activity 38 days ago and 51 days ago, I doubt this is the feds.

Hopefully it's just testing the servers infrastructure

[aaron25177]

Can't foreign investors sue the Justice Department in the US if they don't get their money back? Afterall they're taking money from people outside the US following laws that are not their laws. This is basically like stealing since most people in BTC-e were not doing anything wrong basically.

Are there any EU citizens? If we don't get our money back, we should sue US.

I doubt anyone can sue the us gov.  1 thing though is when the poker sites got their domains taken years back it didn't stop customers getting money in the end. The poker sites just had to pay fine and block US customers.

Yep. Btce can transfer the coins to another website like xbtce which already block US users.

Since when do they block US users?  Since they used xbtce to verify users for btc-e, you would think they could start sending coins there to the verified users...if they want to return them

[E_1337]

There are slight chances that BTC-e is moving this eth balance......

1. they moved 0.0001 out to new account
2. they sent back 0.0001 but from different old account, seen 50 days ago receiving payment from Poloniex (https://etherscan.io/address/0xf886abf45d68611078b5f66d450f76beb1dd8234)
3. then moved entire ETH balance

Unless US had prepared ETH account 50 days ago it seems that BTC-e is moving this ETH balance. Or am I wrong somewhere being too optimistic?

You're right. Very interesting.

It seems that second transaction (that 0.0001 sent back from 3rd account) was a trigger for automatic script to complete ETH movement to a new wallet.


NEW TRANSACTIONS, again 0.0001:

https://etherscan.io/address/0x8eb3fa7907ad2ef4c7e3ba4b1d2f2aac6f4b5ae6
https://etherscan.io/address/0xf886abf45d68611078b5f66d450f76beb1dd8234

This new 0.0001 transaction appeared exactly 3 hours after ETH balance movement.

IRC chat for BTC-e: http://webchat.freenode.net/?channels=#fegbox

Could be just troll transactions from people that seen the movement

[bj9k]

Looking at the 2 recent 0.0001 ETH transactions from poloniex wallet which has activity 38 days ago and 51 days ago, I doubt this is the feds.

Hopefully it's just testing the servers infrastructure

Those 2 0.0001 transactions could be some script triggers or some troll thinking that script will sent eth balance to him

But if you check
https://etherscan.io/address/0x8eb3fa7907ad2ef4c7e3ba4b1d2f2aac6f4b5ae6
you can notice that all transactions are sent on full hour difference except last 0.0001 and that could be a troll.

[E_1337]

I must assume some sort of backup plan must have been created by the BTC-e team if something like this would have ever happen...

Like have a place to go, have stuff ready or is this wishfull thinking?

[shrodix]

Can't foreign investors sue the Justice Department in the US if they don't get their money back? Afterall they're taking money from people outside the US following laws that are not their laws. This is basically like stealing since most people in BTC-e were not doing anything wrong basically.

Are there any EU citizens? If we don't get our money back, we should sue US.

I doubt anyone can sue the us gov.  1 thing though is when the poker sites got their domains taken years back it didn't stop customers getting money in the end. The poker sites just had to pay fine and block US customers.

Yep. Btce can transfer the coins to another website like xbtce which already block US users.

Since when do they block US users?  Since they used xbtce to verify users for btc-e, you would think they could start sending coins there to the verified users...if they want to return them

From the xbtce main page
"XBTCe does not provide services for United States residents"

[European Central Bank]

I must assume some sort of backup plan must have been created by the BTC-e team if something like this would have ever happen...

Like have a place to go, have stuff ready or is this wishfull thinking?

as they were the one stop shop for all crypto evil by the looks of things they'd have to be nuts not to have a plan in place.

[allispossible]

1) Alex dont have access to keys. Owners could of paid, they did not. Case closed.

2) Alex have access to keys and he is the only one with the keys (else coins would be moved) - FED is likely to get keys from him and payout a few while auctioning rest.

3) Traders made money of more stupid people via FUD and fear of been left behind, aka pump and dump. Similar to FED handling of economy.

4) Even if all humans put all cash they had into come crypto coins - it would simply reshuffle existing crumbs mostly.

5) By understanding fears and manias such as greed, envy, cowardice, jealousy, etc aka knowing self and influence we humans can  enjoy our life on Earth.

6) If its not done fight for a crumbs continues, while very few withhold most resources including technological ones from most. Increasing pollution and rise  of fuck life attitude leads to end of human on Earth (not an overall end, yet a evolutionary setback)

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