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161  Economy / Speculation / Re: Wall Observer BTC/USD - Bitcoin price movement tracking & discussion on: November 23, 2017, 11:44:35 PM
Massive BCH pump... Let's hope they get to >2000$ so I can sell
Those pumps are getting quite profitable and predictable, I love it!
162  Economy / Speculation / Re: Wall Observer BTC/USD - Bitcoin price movement tracking & discussion on: November 23, 2017, 10:05:08 AM
Looks like 10k by Xmas to me.

Bitcoin possibly.

Bitcoin + Bitcoin Cash (long term) holders absolutely.

awww you guys , so sweet.  Why don't you get a room, explore each others orifices, and climb into a big hot soapy bath together.

You can reassure each other while the price tanks down to 6200...  

Have you decided to go full troll jonoiv? Smiley

Yep...  I have, i don't want one single person to lose their money.

The coin is oversold.  why would people (or bots) sit on this thread and encourage noobs to buy it, when deep down even the hardest bull knows it's the end for now.

Would you recommend your grandma to buy at 8150 ?  Please answer that question.

Yup, I bought my parents some for christmas. All predictions expect btc to go up in the coming years and new mining alternatives are coming in 2018, so people exploiting monopolies now can stay stuck on bch

Have a word with yourself!


aww a depreciating asset, i'm sure they'll be stoked

Yes, Ill tell them: see, all reliable sources expect it to go up, but jonoiv, a random guy who got rekt several times, says we are going to 0!
Stop trolling dude, live and let die if so!
163  Economy / Speculation / Re: Wall Observer BTC/USD - Bitcoin price movement tracking & discussion on: November 23, 2017, 09:54:25 AM
Looks like 10k by Xmas to me.

Bitcoin possibly.

Bitcoin + Bitcoin Cash (long term) holders absolutely.

awww you guys , so sweet.  Why don't you get a room, explore each others orifices, and climb into a big hot soapy bath together.

You can reassure each other while the price tanks down to 6200...  

Have you decided to go full troll jonoiv? Smiley

Yep...  I have, i don't want one single person to lose their money.

The coin is oversold.  why would people (or bots) sit on this thread and encourage noobs to buy it, when deep down even the hardest bull knows it's the end for now.

Would you recommend your grandma to buy at 8150 ?  Please answer that question.

Yup, I bought my parents some for christmas. All predictions expect btc to go up in the coming years and new mining alternatives are coming in 2018, so people exploiting monopolies now can stay stuck on bch
164  Economy / Speculation / Re: Wall Observer BTC/USD - Bitcoin price movement tracking & discussion on: November 23, 2017, 09:42:05 AM
Looks like 10k by Xmas to me.

Bitcoin possibly.

Bitcoin + Bitcoin Cash (long term) holders absolutely.

awww you guys , so sweet.  Why don't you get a room, explore each others orifices, and climb into a big hot soapy bath together.

You can reassure each other while the price tanks down to 6200...  

Have you decided to go full troll jonoiv? Smiley
165  Bitcoin / Hardware / Re: DragonMint 16TH/S halongmining.com on: November 22, 2017, 07:31:00 PM
I'd be on that miner straight away if they took paypal... but sending my BTCs to a company without address or phone number or faces... No way
If they ran away with my money all I will have is their BTC address
166  Economy / Speculation / Re: Wall Observer BTC/USD - Bitcoin price movement tracking & discussion on: November 22, 2017, 02:30:52 PM
Got wiped out a few years ago predicting the market was going up.  if you want to read all my old posts go ahead.  I was leveraged trading on bitfinex when the FBI announced they would sell the silk road funds,  never sure what happened with that, but the market crashed on the news.  yer i got 2 margin calls in a row.

I was too bullish. learned a lot from that time.  I won't leverage trade again.   Invested in Siacoin and waited, back to where i was back then.

Sorry, my bad.
Do you think that's clouded your current judgement and made you over cautious?
With wall street coming, the bull market may have some way to go yet/

maybe i am over cautious.  but im bullish on other things at the moment just not btc.  Besides iv'e seen enough crashes to know when one is around the corner.

Once btc passes 10k, even considering mining for other platform would be stupid. The only threat I can see is eth stacking, but nobody really knows what eth aim is
167  Economy / Speculation / Re: Wall Observer BTC/USD - Bitcoin price movement tracking & discussion on: November 22, 2017, 02:02:00 PM
He got 'wiped out' a few years back predicting that the  market was going to go down.

That explains Sad
168  Economy / Speculation / Re: Wall Observer BTC/USD - Bitcoin price movement tracking & discussion on: November 22, 2017, 01:53:04 PM
Quote from: jonoiv link=topic=178336.msg25017509#msg25017509

it wont die but it wont be number one.  and if you think segwit is a solution you need your head read.

call me what you want but i would not recommend to buy bitcoin now to friends and family.  its a long way down and regular first time investors will pay the price again, as the bitcoin mafia buy some more castles.
You might be hero or whatever but
- if you think people will choose features over the name/branding, then you know nothing about marketing
- if you think finance will choose innovation over stability and recognition, then you know nothing about finance

Sorry dude, I think you are misguided

Yer hero, jr member means nothing, you're right.

I could be misguided, I'm not pretending to be the oracle.  Just there is no way on this earth i would recommend buying bitcoin at this time.  

I'm 95% that the bear market has just started. and it will be red candles for a long while.

I also expect red candles in the coming months, but you are pushing it too far I think. Seems to be getting common amongst people that were there since the beginning, probably because you have seen an MtGox and you are terrified.
Did you sell your BTCs?
169  Economy / Speculation / Re: Wall Observer BTC/USD - Bitcoin price movement tracking & discussion on: November 22, 2017, 01:25:30 PM
Quote from: jonoiv link=topic=178336.msg25017509#msg25017509

it wont die but it wont be number one.  and if you think segwit is a solution you need your head read.

call me what you want but i would not recommend to buy bitcoin now to friends and family.  its a long way down and regular first time investors will pay the price again, as the bitcoin mafia buy some more castles.
You might be hero or whatever but
- if you think people will choose features over the name/branding, then you know nothing about marketing
- if you think finance will choose innovation over stability and recognition, then you know nothing about finance

Sorry dude, I think you are misguided
170  Economy / Speculation / Re: Wall Observer BTC/USD - Bitcoin price movement tracking & discussion on: November 22, 2017, 10:31:49 AM
I know a lot of you guys think this tether thing is just fud, but if it's true it essentially means that Tether is forging bank notes regardless of what their terms of service say.

And who exactly is buying USDT from tether? Why would any VC want to purchase usdt in volume in order to purchase other crypto's when they can just buy btc with fiat directly and not have the associated risks implied in the tether terms of service?

It might not effect things right away because the mania is so strong right now and any dip will be bought by fomo or by bitfinex QE, but if this is legit it could all unravel very quickly.

My understanding is that the money they 'pumped' according to accusations are somewhere on the line of < $700Mn. It's a lot of money for me, but in terms of crypto market we are talking a drop of less than 0.5%.
Of course, you should include leverage and such, but overall not worried of an MtGox 2.0. But it is good they keep questioning tether, as many people (including investors) will lose money if true
Re. tether over usd, it is more practical to transport and helps with taxes I think
171  Economy / Speculation / Re: Wall Observer BTC/USD - Bitcoin price movement tracking & discussion on: November 21, 2017, 10:33:14 PM
Bitcoin down to $8135. Is Bitcoin dying?

Bitcoin up to $8153.  Is Bitcoin a bubble?

Bitcoin still  $8153. Is Bitcoin getting stable?

Bitcoin $8081.  Bitcoin is dead.
I checked 1 minute ago and it was at $8111. It's coming down hard and fast.
Resistance will not hold this time. We are going back to 15$
172  Economy / Speculation / Re: Analysis on: November 20, 2017, 04:01:52 PM
"We go for 20k on the corpses of bears."

Let's see if he will be right or not. Still some way to go.
When we reach $10k it will be very important to see how the markets reacts.
Big profit taking and correction or not??!!

Seems like he thinks more on a general level, he is not very concerned with dips, just major retracements (>50%). My understanding is that he expects a >60% retracement once we reach 20k before we go to 100k
173  Economy / Speculation / Re: Wall Observer BTC/USD - Bitcoin price movement tracking & discussion on: November 19, 2017, 06:40:30 PM
looking at my 2 week optimism chart $12000 is closer than we think . I'm calling it $12000 before year end
I'd have a seriously happy new year if so, fingers crossed!
174  Economy / Speculation / Re: Wall Observer BTC/USD - Bitcoin price movement tracking & discussion on: November 19, 2017, 06:20:01 PM
Jesus! This was well random. I like greens  Shocked
175  Economy / Speculation / Re: Wall Observer BTC/USD - Bitcoin price movement tracking & discussion on: November 19, 2017, 04:28:49 PM
This weekend was a snorefest Sad
Not even a decent attack
176  Economy / Speculation / Re: Wall Observer BTC/USD - Bitcoin price movement tracking & discussion on: November 19, 2017, 12:35:47 AM
Yup... but as I said it is not the bulliest of predictions either Smiley

Oh. and on second thought... if they are paying (now) $2500 for the option to buy BTC for $10.000 in one year... then that means they are expecting the price to be above $12500 (not just $10.000) or they would be losing money.

At the same time, there some other party that expects the opposite... or want to somehow hedge their BTC.... or most probably it is all just a marketing stunt Smiley

Yep, sorry edited too late - I meant to say that I think the article is wrong in that I think the probability has to be at least 25% for this to make sense
177  Economy / Speculation / Re: Wall Observer BTC/USD - Bitcoin price movement tracking & discussion on: November 18, 2017, 11:49:27 PM

Not sure if serious...

They give a 25% chance to 10K+  in 13.5 months, and a 75% chance of a long crypto winter (or BTC irrelevance?).

IMO there's a better chance for 20k+ in that timeframe than sub-10k.  But what do I know, I'm just a permabull.

  


Yup, it's a bit bearish for my (current) taste. But I think they mean a 75% chance of a price equal or below to $10.000. That's not necesarily a crypto winter.
From what I understand it means that they are 'reserving' their bitcoins for 10k in Dec 2018. This means they expect the price to be higher than that...A good thing!
[edit]I think the article is wrong, should be said 'there is at least a 25% chance'
178  Economy / Speculation / Re: Wall Observer BTC/USD - Bitcoin price movement tracking & discussion on: November 18, 2017, 11:22:39 PM
What do you think will happen if 2-3 exchanges close (suddenly) or you cannot withdraw anymore and people realize most of the price is thin air?
Expect price to surge to the 1000$ level when it pops...I don't know "when" but it will happen.
I think we would have two scenarios:
1- Big whales (ETFs and whatever) are in - nothing happens. Price goes down, but overall, they will care about bitcoin strategically so little will change. Shitcoins will slump as most of the exchanges with them have tether.
2- Big whales are not in yet: bitcoin crashes badly, I would say on the 2000-3000$ range. Finally people will start implementing peer to peer exchanges, altcoins die badly and are scattered all over the place, bitcoin will come back even stronger

Now, think about the two options and if you were a government, given the growth of bitcoin, would you let scenario 2 happen so that you lose the only real centralized point of control they have? I don't think so.
But maybe if you think about it, maybe #2 is not so bad for BTC
179  Economy / Speculation / Re: Wall Observer BTC/USD - Bitcoin price movement tracking & discussion on: November 18, 2017, 10:09:20 PM
what do you guys think about the Tether/Bitfinex conspiracy? Where is all this money coming from? Is bitfinex just "washtrading" the price in its desired direction?
Imho price of Bitcoin at 1k$ was the result of somehow healthy grow (~$10Mio Tether), now we have 7x this price (~600Mio Tether). This might be the next MtGox.

Get rich quick 101
1. Buy BTC with real USD
2. Print Tether
3. Pump BTC with Tether
4. FOMO
5. Sell BTC for USD
6. Profit

When you understand how washtrading works you'll understand that 20Mio Tether are enough to increase MarketCap by 20Billion$.
This works as long as the price of BTC stays high. Never short Bitcoin in the current situation. This bubble (Tether out of thin air) will pop.
How? In order to make money they would need to sell either tether or btc outside of bitfinex.
So far that has worked (obviously someone buys them at that price outside bitfinex), assuming they are not hoarding billions of btcs. And even if it explodes a la MtGox, I think we just have to deal with a short set back until the market absorbed the coins, they are not the only exchange out there.
But maybe I am oversimplifying
180  Economy / Speculation / Re: Wall Observer BTC/USD - Bitcoin price movement tracking & discussion on: November 18, 2017, 06:46:37 PM
Perhaps before the split. Shots have been fired and the time for peaceful attempts is over.

Yeh, but they will say bitcoiners are nazis and blah blah. Just saying, I am a newcomer after all
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