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541  Economy / Speculation / Re: Bitcoin market trend analysis- so far the most reliable through 2-month test on: July 09, 2013, 01:47:15 AM
Today’s similar to yesterday’s update. (GMT+8)

The correction shall be area $70-$80. We may decide buy or sell after testing long/short strength. We would advise short the market around $85 for short term. What worth mentioning here is that there’s no enough space within area $70-$80. We would not give advice if there’s no more than 10$ volatility space. However, the space for short sell will be relatively large if the price unexpectedly rises to around 85$.

Thanks!
542  Local / 中文 (Chinese) / Re: 796交易所与保证金交易平台的区别 on: July 08, 2013, 04:10:01 PM
明日比特币界大事:796Futures-PD正式上市流通,796期货有限分红权股票(简称 :796Futures-PD)是796交易所在设立初期为回馈投资者而免费派送的一种无投票权的有限分红股票,发行总额为100万股。到底这一目前市场上唯一的免费赠送股的价值多少呢?您明天10点后可以到796交易所的股票交易版块查看!
543  Economy / Securities / Re: Bitcoin market trend analysis- so far the most reliable through 2-month test on: July 08, 2013, 04:38:43 AM
today's update: (GMT+8)

We see over drop bounces after long power temporarily disappeared. Upward resistance area is around 80$. From the 4-hour chart, long strength temporarily fails after continuous drop recently. A wave of bounce comes out after standing at the short term average price line. Subsequent correction should be 70$-80$. We may decide buy or sell after testing the long and short strength. We would advise short sell when approaching 85$ for short term.

Thanks.
544  Economy / Securities / Re: Bitcoin market trend analysis- so far the most reliable through 2-month test on: July 08, 2013, 04:37:08 AM
796, would you be open to start posting twitter updates?  It would be great to get these updates instantly to my phone.  If you are not willing to I may start doing so.

yeah, we are going to post it on twitter.
thanks.
545  Economy / Speculation / Re: Bitcoin market trend analysis- so far the most reliable through 2-month test on: July 08, 2013, 03:38:35 AM
Oh look... "Mr 796" (who -- let's drop the pretense -- is probably you, ZhuRong), is releasing forecasts in an attempt to influence his own futures market. Isn't this a bit brazenly unethical? One would think you would at least go to some lengths to hide what you are doing.

I'm sure this is all fun and games for your users -- a gambling site on which you can't lose! Until....

Even if that is not your plan, it certainly looks like it.

You do realise that this is illegal in Hong Kong, right? Have you browsed the HKSRC rulebook?

Funny that the "trend analysis" is "the most reliable". Who would have expected that?   Roll Eyes

Furthermore... the "stocks"... which you issue (for free!) and (it seems) plan to trade on your own market? Will people fall for that? Are people actually that naive?

Again, even if your intentions at the outset are good, you should not be putting yourself in this position (and your users should be aware of the great danger they are in).


Hi there,
Mr. Zhu just wants to share his views.
Some friends may take it as reference for Bitcoin investment and the fact is lots of users indeed take profit.
He doesn't invest on his own platform, because he thinks that may bring bad effects.(some people may think he is manipulating.)


Of course it is manipulating. How is it anything else? You can either go into the TA business, or operate a market. Doing both is a massive conflict of interest.  And illegal, I might add.


All the trading is carried out among investors.
The platform is not involved and the profit comes from trading commission.
If you think the price is abnormal, you may play arbitrage.



I'm sorry, but this looks very suspect. You have a gross conflict of interest.

You've posted this topic in 3 places across the forum. It's either for marketing, or a confidence trick. In my opinion there is a high chance it is a con.

First of all, there is a reason that I, Vokain, and others in your other threads have raised our concerns. It is very improper to see the boss of a "futures exchange" predict the price.

Currently your predictions are in line with general market expectations, and so it is easy to attempt to win over confidence this way.

However you have a *lot* of deposited BTC at your disposal. At any point in the future, you can use this to move MTGox against your predictions and force-liquidate any big players. The part that really sucks is that you could use people's own BTC to bet against them. I really don't like the look of this one bit.

Any futures site could do this, but there are two factors that make you stand out as being untrustworthy:
(1) you seem too eager to "predict" the price to your "followers" (and describe the predictions so reverentially)
(2) There is no true way to arbitrage against you in both directions, as you can only deposit/withdraw bitcoins at your site, not CNY or USD.

If I am wrong, and this is just marketing, then it is bad marketing.

As an aside, to address your response: I don't believe that your platform doesn't participate in trades. The 12k+ daily volume coming within under a month on a "futures" exchange is highly suspect. I believe many exchanges are guilty of this, but there is no way to prove this.

Furthermore, true "arbitrage" is difficult when it seems that one can only deposit and withdraw BTC (not fiat) at your exchange. The way you have the market set up, it is practically impossible for me to bet against you and win, if I believe you are a scammer. You hold all the cards, and have all the information.





Hi there,
First of all, thanks for your time to pose these questions.
We do want more people to know about our exchange.
Mr. Zhu did make it very clear in his microblog that he is better in predicting one day’s trend tops.
That’s why we update every day.
To be frankly, most of our investors did take some profit following him.
We made clear descriptions that we will perform settlement weekly, because we believe this is for most investors’ interest and could reduce the risk of being held up for a long period.
And it has proven to be pretty good.
Out of legal consideration, we don’t want to get involved in fiat money.
We just offer Bitcoin deposit/withdrawal.
Members in our platform do transfer to realize trading.
About arbitrage, that’s when you may grasp a good chance.
I may give you an example here: (24th, June)
The BTC price on 796 Exchange is a little bit higher like $7 a few days ago. Cutting fees from both sides and transaction difference, the profit could get to 5% at least.
It is quite simple to achieve this when the price is over 3% more than that of Mt. Gox.

The volume on the platform comes from both sides as you know it’s futures trading.
And we’d like to emphasize that our platform doesn’t participate in trades. All happen among traders themselves.
Sorry for the late response.
546  Local / 中文 (Chinese) / Re: 比特币价格走势分析!每日更新! on: July 08, 2013, 03:17:29 AM
比特币行情展望:从日K图上看在做空动能暂时消失后出现超跌反弹,上方阻力位在80美元附近。4小时图上看在经过了连续大幅下跌,空头力量暂时衰竭,在站上短期均线后出现一波反弹,后市应该会在70-80区域整理,在测试多空力度后再选择方向。操作上建议短线在接近85美元一线做空。
547  Economy / Speculation / Re: Bitcoin market trend analysis- so far the most reliable through 2-month test on: July 08, 2013, 01:50:53 AM
Today's update:(GMT+8)

We see over drop bounces after long power temporarily disappeared. Upward resistance area is around 80$. From the 4-hour chart, long strength temporarily fails after continuous drop recently. A wave of bounce comes out after standing at the short term average price line. Subsequent correction should be 70$-80$. We may decide buy or sell after testing the long and short strength. We would advise short sell when approaching 85$ for short term.

Thanks!
548  Local / 中文 (Chinese) / Re: 796交易所期货业务的有限分红股票免费派送 on: July 07, 2013, 03:33:40 PM
完成BTC期货第一笔交易,赠送1股,我7月6号已经完成了第一笔交易,什么时候能收到送股啊?
应该是立即加上的。

可是我没收到啊,帮我看看,我796的账号也是flowice。

刚询问了程度员三小时会执行一次奖励,请等待一下!

我7月6号就完成了交易了啊。

我会让技术进行再次核实,如没有增加会补发 
549  Local / 中文 (Chinese) / Re: 796交易所期货业务的有限分红股票免费派送 on: July 07, 2013, 01:21:24 PM
完成BTC期货第一笔交易,赠送1股,我7月6号已经完成了第一笔交易,什么时候能收到送股啊?
应该是立即加上的。

可是我没收到啊,帮我看看,我796的账号也是flowice。

刚询问了程度员三小时会执行一次奖励,请等待一下!
550  Local / 中文 (Chinese) / Re: 796交易所期货业务的有限分红股票免费派送 on: July 07, 2013, 11:28:48 AM
怎么能买点你们的股票,挺看好你们这个期货交易的

796期货有限分红权股票(简称 :796Futures-PD)是796交易所在设立初期为回馈投资者而免费派送的一种无投票权的有限分红股票,发行总额为100万股。7月9日将在796交易所股票版上市,你可以直接向持有的投资者购买。
551  Local / 中文 (Chinese) / Re: 796交易所期货业务的有限分红股票免费派送 on: July 07, 2013, 11:27:30 AM
完成BTC期货第一笔交易,赠送1股,我7月6号已经完成了第一笔交易,什么时候能收到送股啊?
应该是立即加上的。
552  Economy / Speculation / Re: Bitcoin market trend analysis- so far the most reliable through 2-month test on: July 07, 2013, 07:38:36 AM
Sorry, late for today's update: (GMT+8)

It shows no bottom sign from the chart. The volume isn’t enlarged and no long downlead appears. From 1-hour chart, there is bounces demand, but meets heavy upward pressure. We may possibly enter into another fall in relay process if no strong buy motivates. We may continue to observe whether it will strengthen. If corrections stays in the 70$ weak area, there will be breakout. We may take to short term buy long around 55$ if another slump emerges.

Thanks!
553  Local / 中文 (Chinese) / 比特币价格走势分析!每日更新! on: July 07, 2013, 12:07:44 AM
日K线上看依然没有明显的底部特征,成交量没有放大,也没有出现长下引线。从1小时图上看有反弹要求,但上方压力较大,如无强力买盘推动则有可能又是一个下跌中继台阶。操作上可继续观察能否有效走强,如长时间只能在70附近弱势区整理,则有破位机会。如再次出现急跌,则可在55美元附近分批短线做多。说心里话,我也希望比特币能有一波大涨。这样我也能有钱赚,最好国内外差价有200元。无风险套利是我最喜欢的事,回避了短线风险利润却高得惊人。同时796交易所也将会出现快速的成长。但我能做的只是尽可能地去把我所能预期到的东西告诉大家,希望能帮助到大家,而不是如传销般地给予以后虚无的希望。我目光短浅仅能作盘面分析,预估最多一天的走势。有人问我一周后会怎样?哪里是底?我回答我真不知道。因为我哪怕说出来我自己都不信,时空拉长后中间会有很多因素影响,预测的概率相当于猜正反一样。有些人也不用攻击我,微博发布一小时不到就来说我的预测已经不准了,天地良心,我真不是故意说跌的!


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新浪微博:http://weibo.com/796COM
微信公众号:www796com
554  Local / 中文 (Chinese) / Re: 796交易所期货业务的有限分红股票免费派送 on: July 06, 2013, 03:35:27 PM
BTC期货交易如果是在单个帐户内发生的,则不赠送股票。
这句话什么意思?什么叫在单个账户发生?

796给解释一下好吗?

就是自己挂单,然后自己把这单吃掉。
555  Economy / Speculation / Re: Bitcoin market trend analysis- so far the most reliable through 2-month test on: July 06, 2013, 04:38:51 AM
It was already obvious the sole reason he's here is to build up confidence and sell into noobs. You can tell he was a manipulator from the answer to my third question. You just gotta be nice to 'em and have them think they can lead you on, and wait to see what they spill in between the lines. In this case, he totally avoided the question. Without even close to a satisfactory answer, minding language barriers of course, you know he's just trying to deflect from his agenda. The next 3 replies from him with the "thank you Smiley 's" is like the tell-all sign.

also, the fact we're on the speculation board doesn't help Smiley

What's your problem?
I had explained that Mr. Zhu is just trying to share with more Bitcoiners.
And I had also explained that he doesn't do Bitcoin investment in his own platform.
That's just because he doesn't want other investors to think that he's manipulating for his own platform.
Then it won't be fair to other users.
He does respect fairness.
He, himself, does investment on MTGOX, BTTC and some other platforms.
He has more than 15 years in financial investment and is acute to the market movements.
Is there anything wrong that he's willing to offer some advice to other investors and most had indeed taken profit?
Some people may take his advice, some may not.
It's not that we avoid your question, it's weekend.


556  Economy / Speculation / Re: Bitcoin market trend analysis- so far the most reliable through 2-month test on: July 06, 2013, 04:18:16 AM
Bitcoin market outlook:(GMT+8)

The price has gone through strong drop recently and falled to 70$ this morning. There is a sign of accelerating steady downside. Though the price is near the previous lows, bottom fishing fund inflow is still weak from the volume. We may fear steady down most for there’s no large trading.

Thanks.

557  Economy / Speculation / Re: Bitcoin market trend analysis- so far the most reliable through 2-month test on: July 05, 2013, 10:53:51 AM
Oh look... "Mr 796" (who -- let's drop the pretense -- is probably you, ZhuRong), is releasing forecasts in an attempt to influence his own futures market. Isn't this a bit brazenly unethical? One would think you would at least go to some lengths to hide what you are doing.

I'm sure this is all fun and games for your users -- a gambling site on which you can't lose! Until....

Even if that is not your plan, it certainly looks like it.

You do realise that this is illegal in Hong Kong, right? Have you browsed the HKSRC rulebook?

Funny that the "trend analysis" is "the most reliable". Who would have expected that?   Roll Eyes

Furthermore... the "stocks"... which you issue (for free!) and (it seems) plan to trade on your own market? Will people fall for that? Are people actually that naive?

Again, even if your intentions at the outset are good, you should not be putting yourself in this position (and your users should be aware of the great danger they are in).


Hi there,
Mr. Zhu just wants to share his views.
Some friends may take it as reference for Bitcoin investment and the fact is lots of users indeed take profit.
He doesn't invest on his own platform, because he thinks that may bring bad effects.(some people may think he is manipulating.)


Of course it is manipulating. How is it anything else? You can either go into the TA business, or operate a market. Doing both is a massive conflict of interest.  And illegal, I might add.


All the trading is carried out among investors.
The platform is not involved and the profit comes from trading commission.
If you think the price is abnormal, you may play arbitrage.

558  Economy / Service Discussion / Re: Bitcoin market trend analysis- so far the most reliable through 2-month test on: July 05, 2013, 10:27:36 AM
From Bitcoin trend chart, we will see that the price goes up slowly but down abruptly in earlier period while it’s been down steadily in the recent month. No matter what brings the circumstances, investors are under great pressure. There’s an obvious sign of speculative funds outflow. When it dropped to 72$ yesterday and bounces appeared, there should be uptrend resistance after correction at 80$. However, no rise shows when it’s supposed so and long strength can’t gather.
559  Economy / Securities / Re: Bitcoin market trend analysis- so far the most reliable through 2-month test on: July 05, 2013, 10:27:07 AM
From Bitcoin trend chart, we will see that the price goes up slowly but down abruptly in earlier period while it’s been down steadily in the recent month. No matter what brings the circumstances, investors are under great pressure. There’s an obvious sign of speculative funds outflow. When it dropped to 72$ yesterday and bounces appeared, there should be uptrend resistance after correction at 80$. However, no rise shows when it’s supposed so and long strength can’t gather.
560  Economy / Speculation / Re: Bitcoin market trend analysis- so far the most reliable through 2-month test on: July 05, 2013, 10:26:16 AM
From Bitcoin trend chart, we will see that the price goes up slowly but down abruptly in earlier period while it’s been down steadily in the recent month. No matter what brings the circumstances, investors are under great pressure. There’s an obvious sign of speculative funds outflow. When it dropped to 72$ yesterday and bounces appeared, there should be uptrend resistance after correction at 80$. However, no rise shows when it’s supposed so and long strength can’t gather.
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