Mir ist bewusst, dass gerade für dich, es sehr schwer ist, die Grenzen zum Persönlichen und zum Beleidigenden zu sehen.
Dementsprechend habe ich schon nachsicht mit dir.
Toll, mit dem dem schlimmsten aller Trolle und einem extrem aggressiven und beleidigenden Typen zeigst du Nachsicht? Wie kommt der zu solcher unverdienter Milde? Ich muss dich wohl nicht daran erinnern, RenHoek, dass alleine giletto deinen Ruf im Forum durch systematischen Rufmord zerstört hat? Dieser Typ ist allgemein ziemlich unbeliebt, außer bei seinem Mittroll dewdede (= Mr. Gabu). Diese 3 überschütten das ganze Forum mit Terror und die Moderation schläft! Und wahrscheinlich hast du dich auch wegen ihm und seinen Artgenossen zurückgezogen, was ich schade finde. Also ich fand deine Beiträge immer gut, sehr unkonventionell und interessant. Hast du "mildernde Umstände" nötig?  |
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Mir ist bewusst, dass gerade für dich, es sehr schwer ist, die Grenzen zum Persönlichen und zum Beleidigenden zu sehen.
Dementsprechend habe ich schon nachsicht mit dir.
Aber du warst wieder sehr persönlich und beleidigend.
Dass du in diesem Fall nicht damit angefangen hast, ändert es nicht.
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Nicht nur fuer dich, der Thread wird untergehen weil sich kein Mensch dafuer interessiert, ausser er und sein Busenfreund poorminer, den er nicht loescht. Na sollen sie sich selbst beweihraeuschern und beklatschen.
Schlicht und einfach eine Lüge, giletto. poorminer hält sogar die Spitzenpoisition nach euerm Schlagabtausch. Ich moderiere unparteiisch, nur nach den definierten Regeln. Euer Gezanke zieht bitte woanders ab. |
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8K$ for 2.8-3TH/s in May, contact regarding VAT
(12K$ for 5.4TH in August)
8K$ for 2.8-3TH/s in May, contact regarding VAT this is old Equipment, to much power consumtion. dosn't roi for me. electric power is to expensiv in Germany and many other european countrys. this is why i wait a view more days for knc , bevor i refund. when there were other intresting offers, i would refund asap. u are to late for this Prices and maybe for the whole game. u can sell a view pices, but i think, not so much, as u wish. and the mining game for private users will end in this year, thanks to knc and other greedy cumbags. they have taken our mony and make it x100 for them, for us there is nothing more to get. GAME OVER |
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oh you mean a review of a free miner?? sure send us all one and we'll all give great reviews too
Read it. dogie is unbiased. He tells it all, good and bad. u are far to expensiv. 5th with many luck delivery in September, is the same crap as 1th now. and u ask for 13000 bucks + vat !? u do trolling! |
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Halt doch einfach mal den Rand.
Mit Kohle und Trading angeben und dann noch sone Sig haben zeigt nur das du nicht mehr als Schüler bist.
Warum muss auf jeden verdammten Troll ein weiterer folgen?
RenDings und Konsorten ist man los.
Dann springt dieser Typ aus seinem Loch.
Uhhh... eine angepisste Sockenpuppe... das riecht doppelt schlecht! wohl 'n schlechten Deal gemach!? RenDings wacht noch über seine Schäfchen, keine Sorge!  |
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they have never taken back this Statement!
maybe we european ppl are different to us ppl. for us, a contract or Statement is valid till it officially taken back! this is a unwritten law!
Here in the real world unwritten laws are imaginary. They actually did take back the statement when they replaced it with the statement " Shipment begins in Q1/Q2 of 2014" So they will not be late until July 1st in fact, exactly this do not mean that "beginning of shippment is on march" is taken back! both are possible together, the old one is not broken! March in in Q1. Saying shipping in Q1/Q2 says (to anybody other than you, apparently) that they are not promising to ship in March. I don't think anyone could sensibly read 'Shipment begins in Q1/Q2 of 2014' as actually meaning 'Shipment begins in March 2014' exactly shipping IN q1/q2 is meanig: shipping beginns between januar1. and march 30., and ends between april1. and juny31.! or 1. Batch in q1 and following in q2 or between q1 and q2, what exactly is march 30. at 12 pm. nothing else! only shipping in 1. half of 2014 means beginnig and end till Juni. 31 only q2 means exactly q2 |
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they have never taken back this Statement!
maybe we european ppl are different to us ppl. for us, a contract or Statement is valid till it officially taken back! this is a unwritten law!
Here in the real world unwritten laws are imaginary. They actually did take back the statement when they replaced it with the statement " Shipment begins in Q1/Q2 of 2014" So they will not be late until July 1st in fact, exactly this do not mean that "beginning of shippment is on march" is taken back! both are possible together, the old one is not broken! |
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KnCMiner Network Protection Statement
At KnCMiner we are aware of the service we are providing to our customers. We are also aware that we need our customers to have a return on their devices in order to purchase form us again. With the scale of the supply chains, agreements and factories we have access to, we need to be cautious we don’t ship too many devices and therefore reduce the return to our customers. So with that in mind our plan is to do as follows:
We will ship no devices in December 2013, January 2014 or February 2014. Meaning that once we have taken the difficulty up at the end of November we will not release any more hashing power for 3 months. We will then release our new generation of devices, which will begin shipping in March 2014. These devices will also have a much higher GH/$ rating than any of our current offerings.
We would like to state that If any of our competitors continues to add large amounts of hashing power to the network during December, January or February. We will continue to release our devices as competitively priced as we can to protect our customers share of the network.
The Fact is:
As of April 1, KNC will be delay in delivery of Neptunes
Doesn't that statement predate the announcement of Neptunes? It certainly doesn't form any part of the contract you agreed with KNC.
KnC itself, has also been associated with the statement after the announcement of the Neptunes.
and it thus verified to be valid: To repeat: It certainly doesn't form any part of the contract you agreed with KNC.maybe i am silly and aq Kind naive but: i only decidet to order neptunes in sight of this Statement above. That is not only naive but most likely not true. I find it hard to believe that you would believe a statement made in JULY would mean a guaranteed shipping date of unannounced next gen hardware. You didn't question the fact that when the neptune was announced and preorders opened there was no mention of march shipping date? they have never taken back this Statement! they broken thair promises! maybe we civilisated european ppl are different to us ppl. for us, a contract or Statement is valid till it officially taken back! this is a unwritten law! sweden is european. why u think they deleted this post in thair Forum, instead of reacting with a answer? |
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KnCMiner Network Protection Statement
At KnCMiner we are aware of the service we are providing to our customers. We are also aware that we need our customers to have a return on their devices in order to purchase form us again. With the scale of the supply chains, agreements and factories we have access to, we need to be cautious we don’t ship too many devices and therefore reduce the return to our customers. So with that in mind our plan is to do as follows:
We will ship no devices in December 2013, January 2014 or February 2014. Meaning that once we have taken the difficulty up at the end of November we will not release any more hashing power for 3 months. We will then release our new generation of devices, which will begin shipping in March 2014. These devices will also have a much higher GH/$ rating than any of our current offerings.
We would like to state that If any of our competitors continues to add large amounts of hashing power to the network during December, January or February. We will continue to release our devices as competitively priced as we can to protect our customers share of the network.
The Fact is:
As of April 1, KNC will be delay in delivery of Neptunes
Doesn't that statement predate the announcement of Neptunes? It certainly doesn't form any part of the contract you agreed with KNC.
KnC itself, has also been associated with the statement after the announcement of the Neptunes.
and it thus verified to be valid: To repeat: It certainly doesn't form any part of the contract you agreed with KNC.maybe i am silly and aq Kind naive but: i only decidet to order neptunes in sight of this Statement above. i only didn't spend BTC to other preorders, in sight of this: "If we do have more items to place in the shop for our 28nm range, we will announce this via one of our newsletters which will contain the time and date that they will go on sale. So keep some coins handy as we expect them to go quick."so i trusted them. too bad! they screwed me, and i past the possiblity to order other Hardware wich was delivered allready. they has to compensate me for thair faults! |
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Jupiter/Neptune for costumers:  Plan B:  Sam is just to busy to make refunds.... |
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Refunds & Delay Compensation
Because of the delay, we're offering several different forms of compensation that vary based on order pricing and order date:
$4680 600GH Monarchs
Free performance upgrades
All customers who ordered 600GH Monarchs prior to the price decrease on November 28, 2013 will be upgraded to the Imperial Monarch product, which is a new, high performance version of the card. The Imperial Monarch will operate at 1 TH/s (+ / - 20%).
Six Month Refund or Double Shipment Guarantee
If you’ve been waiting in queue for six months or more, you qualify for either a full refund in USD, OR double the hardware you ordered. This latter option will come in the form of (a) first shipping you the new Imperial Monarch, giving you an expected 160-175% of your ordered hashrate, and then (b) an additional Standard 600 GH Monarch at the end of the queue, giving you another 100% hashrate boost, totaling an expected 250+% of your ordered hashrate once all products have shipped. (Note: Electing the refund cancels the Imperial Monarch upgrade offer in the first section above.)
50% off Voucher
If your paid order is less than 6 months old but you paid $4680 for your Monarch, you will instead receive an Imperial Monarch as described above, as well as a 50% off discount on an additional Standard Monarch at the end of the queue.
Full Price 300GH Monarchs
For 300GH Monarch orders, similar but slightly different offers will be extended. Customers will be contacted with specifics via email soon.
Mining By the GigaHash
If your Mining By the GH paid order is more than 6 months old, you will receive 2x the hashrate purchased.
Reduced Price Orders
Individual orders that are less than 6 months old and that paid for the reduced price 600GH or 300GH Monarch will likely not be delayed past the expected delivery date.
. Details specific to each of the above order categories will be communicated to eligible customers via email in the next few days. We hope everyone will remain in the order queue and take delivery of these extremely power-efficient, super-fast miners. But, cognizant of the feedback of our earlier 65nm customers, for those qualified buyers who desire a refund we will gladly issue you one.
How stupid does one have to be to continually believe someone who's a known liar. Now, I'm not saying that BFL is or isn't going to follow through on those statements, but they've burned the benefit of the doubt a long time ago. It absolutely astounds me when people reference BFL statements as truth when they're (BFL) known to lie. as i sayd: the different is, bfl is comunicating about their delay and doubles hash power for early buyers the only thing knc comunicate: give us all your mony for our next vapoware!  |
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I postet this in their forum they deleted it, instead of answering to it:
KnCMiner Network Protection Statement
At KnCMiner we are aware of the service we are providing to our customers. We are also aware that we need our customers to have a return on their devices in order to purchase form us again. With the scale of the supply chains, agreements and factories we have access to, we need to be cautious we don’t ship too many devices and therefore reduce the return to our customers. So with that in mind our plan is to do as follows:
We will ship no devices in December 2013, January 2014 or February 2014. Meaning that once we have taken the difficulty up at the end of November we will not release any more hashing power for 3 months. We will then release our new generation of devices, which will begin shipping in March 2014. These devices will also have a much higher GH/$ rating than any of our current offerings.
We would like to state that If any of our competitors continues to add large amounts of hashing power to the network during December, January or February. We will continue to release our devices as competitively priced as we can to protect our customers share of the network.
Thanks
KnCMiner Team
The Fact is:
As of April 1, KNC will be delay in delivery of Neptunes
Have you posted in the BFL forums as well? Just wondering how your Monarch orders are coming? Still expecting the chips to be in our shop sometime during the week of the 14th(April). They will be out of the fab in the next few days then off to packaging then to our testing facility then to be mounted on PCBs then to our facility in KC. Since everything has already been tested and works, it should be a fairly simple, quick and straight forward process once they come out of the fab. Dream on. Refunds & Delay Compensation Because of the delay, we're offering several different forms of compensation that vary based on order pricing and order date: $4680 600GH Monarchs Free performance upgrades All customers who ordered 600GH Monarchs prior to the price decrease on November 28, 2013 will be upgraded to the Imperial Monarch product, which is a new, high performance version of the card. The Imperial Monarch will operate at 1 TH/s (+ / - 20%). Six Month Refund or Double Shipment Guarantee If you’ve been waiting in queue for six months or more, you qualify for either a full refund in USD, OR double the hardware you ordered. This latter option will come in the form of (a) first shipping you the new Imperial Monarch, giving you an expected 160-175% of your ordered hashrate, and then (b) an additional Standard 600 GH Monarch at the end of the queue, giving you another 100% hashrate boost, totaling an expected 250+% of your ordered hashrate once all products have shipped. (Note: Electing the refund cancels the Imperial Monarch upgrade offer in the first section above.) 50% off Voucher If your paid order is less than 6 months old but you paid $4680 for your Monarch, you will instead receive an Imperial Monarch as described above, as well as a 50% off discount on an additional Standard Monarch at the end of the queue. Full Price 300GH Monarchs For 300GH Monarch orders, similar but slightly different offers will be extended. Customers will be contacted with specifics via email soon. Mining By the GigaHash If your Mining By the GH paid order is more than 6 months old, you will receive 2x the hashrate purchased. Reduced Price Orders Individual orders that are less than 6 months old and that paid for the reduced price 600GH or 300GH Monarch will likely not be delayed past the expected delivery date. . Details specific to each of the above order categories will be communicated to eligible customers via email in the next few days. We hope everyone will remain in the order queue and take delivery of these extremely power-efficient, super-fast miners. But, cognizant of the feedback of our earlier 65nm customers, for those qualified buyers who desire a refund we will gladly issue you one. |
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I postet this in their forum they deleted it, instead of answering to it:
KnCMiner Network Protection Statement
At KnCMiner we are aware of the service we are providing to our customers. We are also aware that we need our customers to have a return on their devices in order to purchase form us again. With the scale of the supply chains, agreements and factories we have access to, we need to be cautious we don’t ship too many devices and therefore reduce the return to our customers. So with that in mind our plan is to do as follows:
We will ship no devices in December 2013, January 2014 or February 2014. Meaning that once we have taken the difficulty up at the end of November we will not release any more hashing power for 3 months. We will then release our new generation of devices, which will begin shipping in March 2014. These devices will also have a much higher GH/$ rating than any of our current offerings.
We would like to state that If any of our competitors continues to add large amounts of hashing power to the network during December, January or February. We will continue to release our devices as competitively priced as we can to protect our customers share of the network.
Thanks
KnCMiner Team
The Fact is:
As of April 1, KNC will be delay in delivery of Neptunes
Have you posted in the BFL forums as well? Just wondering how your Monarch orders are coming? Still expecting the chips to be in our shop sometime during the week of the 14th(April). They will be out of the fab in the next few days then off to packaging then to our testing facility then to be mounted on PCBs then to our facility in KC. Since everything has already been tested and works, it should be a fairly simple, quick and straight forward process once they come out of the fab. |
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I postet this in their forum they deleted it, instead of answering to it:
KnCMiner Network Protection Statement
At KnCMiner we are aware of the service we are providing to our customers. We are also aware that we need our customers to have a return on their devices in order to purchase form us again. With the scale of the supply chains, agreements and factories we have access to, we need to be cautious we don’t ship too many devices and therefore reduce the return to our customers. So with that in mind our plan is to do as follows:
We will ship no devices in December 2013, January 2014 or February 2014. Meaning that once we have taken the difficulty up at the end of November we will not release any more hashing power for 3 months. We will then release our new generation of devices, which will begin shipping in March 2014. These devices will also have a much higher GH/$ rating than any of our current offerings.
We would like to state that If any of our competitors continues to add large amounts of hashing power to the network during December, January or February. We will continue to release our devices as competitively priced as we can to protect our customers share of the network.
Thanks
KnCMiner Team
The Fact is:
As of April 1, KNC will be delay in delivery of Neptunes
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KnCMiner Network Protection Statement
At KnCMiner we are aware of the service we are providing to our customers. We are also aware that we need our customers to have a return on their devices in order to purchase form us again. With the scale of the supply chains, agreements and factories we have access to, we need to be cautious we don’t ship too many devices and therefore reduce the return to our customers. So with that in mind our plan is to do as follows:
We will ship no devices in December 2013, January 2014 or February 2014. Meaning that once we have taken the difficulty up at the end of November we will not release any more hashing power for 3 months. We will then release our new generation of devices, which will begin shipping in March 2014. These devices will also have a much higher GH/$ rating than any of our current offerings.
We would like to state that If any of our competitors continues to add large amounts of hashing power to the network during December, January or February. We will continue to release our devices as competitively priced as we can to protect our customers share of the network.
Thanks
KnCMiner Team
The Fact is:
As of April 1, KNC will be delay in delivery of Neptunes
Doesn't that statement predate the announcement of Neptunes? It certainly doesn't form any part of the contract you agreed with KNC. Whatever KnC said earlier in the NPS, the CA Neptunes were "Q1/Q2" shipping. Therefore they aren't late until 1st July. Don't get me wrong, I'd prefer my Neptune tomorrow...(I really hope they ship soon). I'm just saying that it was crystal clear when we pre-ordered that it was " Q1/Q2" shipping.
Q1 for first Batch , Q2 for following Batches.maybe Q1 for first half of Batch 1, Q2 for the rest. |
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KnCMiner Network Protection Statement
At KnCMiner we are aware of the service we are providing to our customers. We are also aware that we need our customers to have a return on their devices in order to purchase form us again. With the scale of the supply chains, agreements and factories we have access to, we need to be cautious we don’t ship too many devices and therefore reduce the return to our customers. So with that in mind our plan is to do as follows:
We will ship no devices in December 2013, January 2014 or February 2014. Meaning that once we have taken the difficulty up at the end of November we will not release any more hashing power for 3 months. We will then release our new generation of devices, which will begin shipping in March 2014. These devices will also have a much higher GH/$ rating than any of our current offerings.
We would like to state that If any of our competitors continues to add large amounts of hashing power to the network during December, January or February. We will continue to release our devices as competitively priced as we can to protect our customers share of the network.
Thanks
KnCMiner Team
The Fact is:
As of April 1, KNC will be delay in delivery of Neptunes
Doesn't that statement predate the announcement of Neptunes? It certainly doesn't form any part of the contract you agreed with KNC.
KnC itself, has also been associated with the statement after the announcement of the Neptunes.
and it thus verified to be valid:
Neptune Sold out
12/14/2013 6:06:00 PM
All,
Our first round Neptune products has now sold out.
We will be working with all of our suppliers to arrange another round of components so please keep an eye on our shop for future shipments of Neptune.
As it looks like our struggling competition may eventually ship before our Network protection period has finished, we may be in a position to release Jupiter’s and possibly upgrade cards which we will ship from stock.
If we do have more items to place in the shop for our 28nm range, we will announce this via one of our newsletters which will contain the time and date that they will go on sale. So keep some coins handy as we expect them to go quick.
Thanks
KnC team
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According to KnC's news announcements by email to customers then to news postings on their web site, originally they said:
Customer appreciation batch ("CA") was to ship Q1/Q2 with first open to public ordering batch shipping 3 to 4 weeks after CA batch shipped. Call those CA batch and batch 1 respectively.
Batch 2 was to ship Q2 but only after CA and batch 1 had already shipped, most likely 4 weeks after batch 2.
This means for batch 1 to ship in a timely matter in line with their statements it cannot ship later than the end of Q2, which is June 30. That means the latest CA batch can ship is the first week of June, allowing 3 to 4 weeks prior to shipping. If they stick to their emailed and public statements, KnC will move up the shipping of CA batch to some time in May, followed by batch 1 also some time in May, with batch 2 shipping in June.
KnC probably won't agree, but shipping CA batch any time later than first part of may makes them late, in my opinion.
No, shipping CA on June 30th, batch 1 on July 30th and batch 2 on August 30th would make batches 1 and 2 late, but batch CA on time. KnCMiner Network Protection Statement
At KnCMiner we are aware of the service we are providing to our customers. We are also aware that we need our customers to have a return on their devices in order to purchase form us again. With the scale of the supply chains, agreements and factories we have access to, we need to be cautious we don’t ship too many devices and therefore reduce the return to our customers. So with that in mind our plan is to do as follows:
We will ship no devices in December 2013, January 2014 or February 2014. Meaning that once we have taken the difficulty up at the end of November we will not release any more hashing power for 3 months. We will then release our new generation of devices, which will begin shipping in March 2014. These devices will also have a much higher GH/$ rating than any of our current offerings.
We would like to state that If any of our competitors continues to add large amounts of hashing power to the network during December, January or February. We will continue to release our devices as competitively priced as we can to protect our customers share of the network.
Thanks
KnCMiner Team
The Fact is:
As of April 1, KNC will be delay in delivery of Neptunes
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Nachdem was im OP steht, hatte ich auch eine bessere Moderation erwartet. Ein Neubeginn.
... Kursprognosen aller Art dürfen hier angstfrei gepostet werden.
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Hier soll jeder seine Meinung vertreten können, aber bitte OHNE, wie zB. giletto, persönlich zu werden.
Getrolle über Sockpuppet Accounts, wie z.B Mr.Gabu alias dewdeded, ist natürlich auch nicht gern gesehen.
Ein Post, der diesen Voraussetzungen nicht gerecht wird, wird möglicherweise von mir gelöscht.
Sehe keinen Grund etwas zu löschen. Bisher halten sich alle daran, friedlich und vernünftig miteinander umzugehen. Löschen von Beiträgen ist imho die einzige Modereationsmöglichkeit. Solange sich das Offtopic in normalen Grenzen hält, denke ich, brauche ich auch nicht schimpfen. |
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Die Bilder dienen zur Darstellung, dass dort Neptune stehen. Ich habe einen Jupiter gehabt, und kann dir gern die Bilder schicken, die sehen komplett anders aus.
Die Kellerbilder habe ich nicht rausgesucht, gibt es aber auch hier im Forum sowie auch in der Fernsehsendung letzten Monat.
Irgendwie ging es doch aber nicht wirklich um KNC in dem Thread, oder?
Das sind November Module, das sieht man deutlich an den gelben VRM's. Ich habe auch einen November Jupiter. Schade, dass du gerade keine Beweise für deine strittigen Behauptungen findest. Ich werde mir gar nicht erst die mühe machen danach zu suchen. KnC ist sozusagen mein Hauptfach, wenn es so was gäbe, wüsste ich es bestimmt. Du darfst gern zum Thema zurück kommen |
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