when the value of bitcoin and even other alt coins are going up, then the fee would follows. as far as I know, binance offer cheaper fee if you have BNB. bigger capital means bigger fee. exchange usually have always fixed fee and fee in percentage for every transaction

it's a big YESS from me. I am a former forex trader. You know what, I only had loss and loss until I stopped for years and ended up in cryptocurrency last year. I am trying to invest only and avoiding trading that need a lot of time to analyze the charts

oh so this is reason i cannot login. binance just started to be big as new come in exchange world with good idea implemented. i think that's why they need time  to improving their technology especially their database bigger and bigger. hopefully they can soon operate

idenya bagus tuh ngumpul kopdar tapi TS nya mana ya gk update bagusnya sub forum Bahasa Indonesia ada lagi tambahan sub regionalnya biar lebih terorganisir kalau mau kopdar wkwkwkw

jujur sih menerima pembarayan dengan bitcoin lebih saya terima dari pada yang fisik (rupiah) karena punya pertumbuhan nilai seperti emas tapi ya gitu agak ribet prosesnya. masalahnya itu rate mana yang disepakati antara penjual dan pembeli apakaha mau menggunakan rate vip atau exchanger lain misal luno, triv, atau bahkan bittrex yang pake dolar.belum terbentur sama regulasi dari BI dan OJK. pemerintah itu takutnya rupiah jadi kurang yang pakai buat transaksi sehingga nilai turun gara2 ada mata uang lain dalam negeri untuk keperluan transaksi

setelah saya cek di saldo di wallet agan itu gk sedikit. itu lumayan amat beli cendol satu karung moga jadi pelajaran gan karena kalo kehilangan keynya itu bakal gak bisa loginlagi  karena key kyk gitu gk pernah disimpan sama blockchain.info. lain kali backup keynya di google drive atau online storage lainya. kalau ada duit lebih lebih bagus beli wallet fisik macam trezor

menurut saya sih ya bitcoin. alasannya ya bitcoin itu bisa dibilang ibunya semua uang crypto untuk sekarang ini walopun gk menutup kemungkinan bakal disalip sama alt coin lain. selain itu nilai bitcoin semakin naik paling tinggi di antara semua alt coin. kelemahan bitcoin itu menurut saya sih belom punya semacam kartu fisik buat digesek di toko-toko jadi hanya sekedar pure cryptocurrency.

so ico is already over. as one of token holders i am very satisfied with your service during the ico. hopefully, you can deliver what you are going to do to make trade.io bigger bigger and of course more profitable for everyone in the business.

it's really the best thing to be part of trade.io. can wait TIO go mooning!!!

Just like me, I simply promote and ICO and can't believe I got paid for around 2 eth. In my country it is very huge. Cant believe how lucky I am as I didn't have good paying job yet. Now, I try to invest it to make more money for my future. I need a house and new family 

That is more than possible to happen as long as unemployment people having access of cryptocurrency world and being supported by community. Cryptocurrency just began, yet so many ideas has appeared to eleminate poverty and it has opened chance to be wealthy.

Walaupun ini bukan dunia nyata karna smuanya serba anonim tapi memang harus sopan santun tetap dijaga. Sayangnya moderator cuman ada berapa aja jadi mungkin tidak sempat online terus pantau forum 

CoinLoan is an innovative project that combined traditional lending banking system and modern cryptocurrency technology. Our team has studied the problems of interaction between the fat and virtual currencies. There is an invisible wall between them at frst glance, which cannot be overcome.
Cryptocurrencies – Bitcoin, Ethereum and similar – are increasingly attracting attention due to their rapid growth and stability. But a person often needs fat money that is more convenient for settlements.

Selling virtual currency used to be the only affordable solution when there was a need for fat money.
This led to a loss of possible revenue from further appreciation of cryptocurrency and additional costs: fnancial, associated with fees on exchanges, and temporal – from the moment of cryptoasset sale to the actual receipt of fat money.

CoinLoan offers a different approach: our users will be able to receive real money in any available currency secured by cryptoassets. The system will select the most suitable option for the borrower from the set of counteroffers for lending.

We are convinced that time is the greatest value in the modern world. This is why the CoinLoan system will be fully automated. Loans will be issued without verifcation of the borrower’s solvency, without processing applications by the lending center and other formalities peculiar to the traditional banking system. The user will receive fat money almost instantly.

There will be no strict division of users into lenders and borrowers in our system – it is not two different poles for us. A borrower can become a lender, and a lender can become a borrower at any time. This will secure flexibility and loyalty of the system.

We preferred the ICO investment to a traditional venture system in our project implementation. Firstly, it will allow anyone who feels like it to become a contributor and pay the service platform fees in CLT. Secondly, it will accelerate the funding process and the launch of CoinLoan, and thirdly, the ICO is a
transparent, modern method of fund-raising.

Coinloan is an innovative technological project, the activities of which will have no territorial restrictions. The system will be launched in the countries of Europe and the CIS, and the coverage of the countries will expand along with the development progress. CoinLoan will operate as a legal payment institution, licensed in Europe.

The platform will work with large and small loans. The minimum loan amount will be 50 USD. This will attract not only legal entities but also individuals to the platform. The time for which a loan can be issued is not defned. Borrowers and lenders determine the optimal duration of the deal for themselves – from 1 day to 60 months (5 years). Such a flexible approach will ensure the convenience and interest of users.

Lenders and borrowers determine the best interest rate for themselves. To keep lending within the existing market conditions, the CoinLoan system will calculate the recommended values of interest rates, which will be lower than in any other lending institutions. More loyal terms will be achieved
due to the absence of costs associated with collateral property and competition between lenders.

The system will be fully automated: orders will match and execute instantaneously. The borrower canwithdraw the received funds in any convenient way – SWIFT, SEPA, instant transfer to a bank card (Visa Money Transfer and MasterCard MoneySend).

HOW DOES IT WORK?

Steps for the borrower
1. Deposit cryptoasset as a collateral.
2. Indicate the length and rate you wish: the platform will match you with best offer from a peer.
3. Immediately get a loan in fiat up to 70% of the market value of the deposit (to allow for volatility), without the need for background check.
4. Repay the loan and interest.
5. Get your cryptoasset back in full

Steps for the lender
1. Deposit your fiat.
2. Indicate the length and rate you wish: the platform will match you with best offer from a peer.
3. You can sleep without a worry: your funds are guaranteed by the cryptoasset the borrower deposited.
4. Get your money back, including the interest.

WHAT IS THE BUSINESS MODEL?
In exchange for matching users bids and offers, guaranteeing cryptoassets and fiat funds, and paying the lender in case of default, the fees associated with using the platform will be:

Lender side:
10% of their income (i.e. accrued interest)
This fee will be payable in coinloan tokens
CLT) at the rate of 1 CLT = $10 or 1 CLT = market price if CLT is traded > $10.

Borrower side:
1 CLT for borrowing $10,000 for one month.
At the rate of 1 CLT = $10, this means 0.1% per month, and this rate would be much cheaper for pre-sale and ICO participants

CoinLoan adalah proyek inovatif yang menggabungkan sistem perbankan pinjaman tradisional dan teknologi kriptografi modern. Tim kami telah mempelajari masalah interaksi antara mata uang gemuk dan virtual. Ada dinding tak terlihat di antara mereka sekilas, yang tidak bisa diatasi.
Cryptocurrencies - Bitcoin, Ethereal dan sejenisnya - semakin menarik perhatian karena pertumbuhan dan kestabilannya yang cepat. Tapi seseorang sering membutuhkan uang gemuk yang lebih nyaman untuk permukiman.

Menjual mata uang virtual biasa menjadi satu-satunya solusi terjangkau bila ada kebutuhan akan uang gemuk.
Hal ini menyebabkan hilangnya kemungkinan pendapatan dari apresiasi lebih lanjut terhadap kriptokokal dan biaya tambahan: keuangan, terkait dengan biaya pertukaran, dan temporal - sejak penjualan kriptoasset sampai pada penerimaan uang gemuk yang sebenarnya.

CoinLoan menawarkan pendekatan yang berbeda: pengguna kami akan dapat menerima uang sungguhan dalam mata uang yang tersedia yang dijamin oleh kripto. Sistem akan memilih opsi yang paling sesuai untuk peminjam dari kumpulan penghitung hutang untuk pinjaman.

Kami yakin bahwa waktu adalah nilai terbesar di dunia modern. Inilah sebabnya mengapa sistem CoinLoan akan sepenuhnya otomatis. Pinjaman akan dikeluarkan tanpa verifikasi solvabilitas peminjam, tanpa memproses aplikasi oleh pusat pinjaman dan formalitas lainnya yang khas pada sistem perbankan tradisional. Pengguna akan menerima uang gemuk hampir seketika.

Tidak akan ada pembagian pengguna yang ketat menjadi kreditur dan peminjam di sistem kami - bukan dua kutub berbeda untuk kita. Seorang peminjam bisa menjadi pemberi pinjaman, dan pemberi pinjaman bisa menjadi peminjam setiap saat. Ini akan menjamin fleksibilitas dan loyalitas sistem.

Kami lebih memilih investasi ICO ke sistem usaha tradisional dalam pelaksanaan proyek kami. Pertama, akan memungkinkan siapa saja yang merasa ingin menjadi kontributor dan membayar biaya layanan di CLT. Kedua, akan mempercepat proses pendanaan dan peluncuran CoinLoan, dan yang ketiga, ICO adalah a
transparan, modern metode penggalangan dana.

Coinloan adalah proyek teknologi inovatif, yang kegiatannya tidak memiliki batasan wilayah. Sistem ini akan diluncurkan di negara-negara Eropa dan CIS, dan cakupan negara-negara akan berkembang seiring dengan kemajuan pembangunan. CoinLoan akan beroperasi sebagai lembaga pembayaran legal, berlisensi di Eropa.

Platform ini akan bekerja dengan pinjaman besar dan kecil. Jumlah pinjaman minimum akan menjadi 50 USD. Ini akan menarik tidak hanya badan hukum tapi juga individu ke platform. Waktu dimana pinjaman bisa dikeluarkan tidak dikalahkan. Peminjam dan pemberi pinjaman menentukan durasi kesepakatan yang optimal untuk diri mereka sendiri - mulai 1 hari sampai 60 bulan (5 tahun). Pendekatan yang fleksibel semacam itu akan menjamin kenyamanan dan minat pengguna.

Pemberi pinjaman dan peminjam menentukan tingkat bunga terbaik untuk diri mereka sendiri. Untuk terus memberikan pinjaman dalam kondisi pasar saat ini, sistem CoinLoan akan menghitung nilai suku bunga yang disarankan, yang akan lebih rendah daripada di lembaga pinjaman lainnya. Istilah yang lebih loyal akan tercapai
karena tidak adanya biaya yang terkait dengan properti agunan dan persaingan antara pemberi pinjaman.

Sistem akan sepenuhnya otomatis: perintah akan cocok dan dijalankan seketika. Peminjam dapatmenyediakan dana yang diterima dengan cara yang mudah - SWIFT, SEPA, transfer instan ke kartu bank (Visa Money Transfer dan MasterCard MoneySend).

BAGAIMANA CARA KERJANYA?

Langkah untuk peminjam
1. Menyimpan kriptoasset sebagai agunan.
2. Tunjukkan panjang dan tingkat yang Anda inginkan: platform akan sesuai dengan tawaran terbaik dari rekan kerja.
3. Segera dapatkan pinjaman dalam jumlah hingga 70% dari nilai pasar deposit (untuk memungkinkan volatilitas), tanpa perlu pemeriksaan latar belakang.
4. Melunasi pinjaman dan bunga.
5. Dapatkan kriptoasset Anda kembali penuh

Langkah untuk pemberi pinjaman
1. Depositkan fiat Anda.
2. Tunjukkan panjang dan tingkat yang Anda inginkan: platform akan sesuai dengan tawaran terbaik dari rekan kerja.
3. Anda bisa tidur tanpa khawatir: dana Anda dijamin oleh kripto yang dipinjam oleh peminjam.
4. Dapatkan uang Anda kembali, termasuk bunga.

APAKAH MODEL BISNIS?
Sebagai gantinya untuk mencocokkan tawaran dan penawaran pengguna, menjamin kriptoasset dan dana fiat, dan membayar kreditur jika terjadi kegagalan, biaya yang terkait dengan penggunaan platform adalah:

Sisi pemberi pinjaman:
10% dari pendapatan mereka (yaitu bunga yang masih harus dibayar)
Biaya ini akan dibayarkan dalam token coinloan
CLT) pada tingkat 1 CLT = $ 10 atau 1 CLT = harga pasar jika CLT diperdagangkan> $ 10.

Sisi peminjam:
1 CLT untuk meminjam $ 10.000 untuk satu bulan.
Pada tingkat 1 CLT = $ 10, ini berarti 0,1% per bulan, dan tingkat ini akan jauh lebih murah untuk peserta pra-penjualan dan ICO.

CoinLoan is an innovative project that combined traditional lending banking system and modern cryptocurrency technology. Our team has studied the problems of interaction between the fat and virtual currencies. There is an invisible wall between them at frst glance, which cannot be overcome.
Cryptocurrencies – Bitcoin, Ethereum and similar – are increasingly attracting attention due to their rapid growth and stability. But a person often needs fat money that is more convenient for settlements.

Selling virtual currency used to be the only affordable solution when there was a need for fat money.
This led to a loss of possible revenue from further appreciation of cryptocurrency and additional costs: fnancial, associated with fees on exchanges, and temporal – from the moment of cryptoasset sale to the actual receipt of fat money.

CoinLoan offers a different approach: our users will be able to receive real money in any available currency secured by cryptoassets. The system will select the most suitable option for the borrower from the set of counteroffers for lending.

We are convinced that time is the greatest value in the modern world. This is why the CoinLoan system will be fully automated. Loans will be issued without verifcation of the borrower’s solvency, without processing applications by the lending center and other formalities peculiar to the traditional banking system. The user will receive fat money almost instantly.

There will be no strict division of users into lenders and borrowers in our system – it is not two different poles for us. A borrower can become a lender, and a lender can become a borrower at any time. This will secure flexibility and loyalty of the system.

We preferred the ICO investment to a traditional venture system in our project implementation. Firstly, it will allow anyone who feels like it to become a contributor and pay the service platform fees in CLT. Secondly, it will accelerate the funding process and the launch of CoinLoan, and thirdly, the ICO is a
transparent, modern method of fund-raising.

Coinloan is an innovative technological project, the activities of which will have no territorial restrictions. The system will be launched in the countries of Europe and the CIS, and the coverage of the countries will expand along with the development progress. CoinLoan will operate as a legal payment institution, licensed in Europe.

The platform will work with large and small loans. The minimum loan amount will be 50 USD. This will attract not only legal entities but also individuals to the platform. The time for which a loan can be issued is not defned. Borrowers and lenders determine the optimal duration of the deal for themselves – from 1 day to 60 months (5 years). Such a flexible approach will ensure the convenience and interest of users.

Lenders and borrowers determine the best interest rate for themselves. To keep lending within the existing market conditions, the CoinLoan system will calculate the recommended values of interest rates, which will be lower than in any other lending institutions. More loyal terms will be achieved
due to the absence of costs associated with collateral property and competition between lenders.

The system will be fully automated: orders will match and execute instantaneously. The borrower canwithdraw the received funds in any convenient way – SWIFT, SEPA, instant transfer to a bank card (Visa Money Transfer and MasterCard MoneySend).

HOW DOES IT WORK?

Steps for the borrower
1. Deposit cryptoasset as a collateral.
2. Indicate the length and rate you wish: the platform will match you with best offer from a peer.
3. Immediately get a loan in fiat up to 70% of the market value of the deposit (to allow for volatility), without the need for background check.
4. Repay the loan and interest.
5. Get your cryptoasset back in full

Steps for the lender
1. Deposit your fiat.
2. Indicate the length and rate you wish: the platform will match you with best offer from a peer.
3. You can sleep without a worry: your funds are guaranteed by the cryptoasset the borrower deposited.
4. Get your money back, including the interest.

WHAT IS THE BUSINESS MODEL?
In exchange for matching users bids and offers, guaranteeing cryptoassets and fiat funds, and paying the lender in case of default, the fees associated with using the platform will be:

Lender side:
10% of their income (i.e. accrued interest)
This fee will be payable in coinloan tokens
CLT) at the rate of 1 CLT = $10 or 1 CLT = market price if CLT is traded > $10.

Borrower side:
1 CLT for borrowing $10,000 for one month.
At the rate of 1 CLT = $10, this means 0.1% per month, and this rate would be much cheaper for pre-sale and ICO participants

Keystore di simpan di partisi yag udah di kasi bitlocker. Sy gtu kok tp gk ada yg busa jamin bakal aman dari tangan hacker. Mudah2an gk kejadian lg gan

Hey, guys. I need your advice to build a strategic good portfolio better %ROI than bank deposits. So, my plan is as follows:

BITCOIN 50%

TOP 5 COIN (Coinmarketcap) 25%
ICO 25%

I decided to give more portion for Bitcoin because it's the mother of all coins. My capital is really big though that's why I want to diversify it into several profitable coins. The only problem here, I have to be careful when I invest it in ICO. You know most of 'em are SCAM.

maaf gan, gk boleh gitu. smuanya udah jelas di agama kita mana yang haram dan halal. bukan di akhirat baru ditentukan mana yang halal dan haram.

riba itu bahaya gan, baca surah Al Baqarah ayat 275 

Dari sekian banyak cryptocurrency di antaranya bitcoin dan alt coin ethereum dkk, menurut agan porsi masing2 koin di portfolio bagusnya berapa ya?

Kalau saya sih pengen nerapin seperti ini:

Bitcoin 50%

Alt Coin
Alt coin top 5 cmc 25%
ICO token 25%

Bitcoin tetap dapat porsi besar karena pertumbuhan %ROI lebih besar dibanding alt coin. Market capnya juga lebih 50% berdasarkan coinmarketcap  

Strategi kita harus dapat %ROI lebih tinggi dari pada deposito. Masalahnya agak susah pilih alt coin buat investasi.

Does it have something to do with Tor browser?