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361  Alternate cryptocurrencies / Mining (Altcoins) / Re: Swedish ASIC miner company kncminer.com on: September 26, 2013, 03:02:58 PM
No idea who, but if that quote of Sam's was from this thread I can't find it, and I looked.

EDIT: as pointed out below it was not from this thread.
362  Alternate cryptocurrencies / Mining (Altcoins) / Re: Swedish ASIC miner company kncminer.com on: September 26, 2013, 02:49:00 PM
We see no reason why it cant work like that, the only addition I will add is that the refund will be 100% with the order cancelled, We wont be offering a discount/refund and still shipping you the boxes. Refunds are offered up to the day of shipment of your order.

Above all else we will be fair.
Sam


Thanks for finding the link, I could not find it.

It looks like Sam/KnC has borrowed a page out of Josh's playbook.

Unless they have in fact "shipped" everyones units, or plan to TODAY.
It's possible.
363  Alternate cryptocurrencies / Mining (Altcoins) / Re: Swedish ASIC miner company kncminer.com on: September 26, 2013, 11:41:01 AM
Yep, everyone is on tenderhooks, and it's difficult to make people relax a little.

Oh, and by the way, a very good article, highly recommended: http://www.investopedia.com/terms/r/returnoninvestment.asp



In other words, you don't make a ROI in much the same way that you don't make GH/s. ROI is a performance measurement. Now I'm done with the topic of ROI Wink



It is quite common within subcultures for the meaning of words to be preverted.

Not much you can do once they take root.

364  Alternate cryptocurrencies / Mining (Altcoins) / Re: Swedish ASIC miner company kncminer.com on: September 26, 2013, 02:32:28 AM

on a serious note, do we have anymore details on that teaser video? 


The teaser video does contain a mysterious detail.

It could be trivial. (<<<--- just a small change in routing)

It could be non-trivial.

Plenty for both camps to speculate on. (Why???)


YMMV

Soon!
Smiley

(I'll stick to "break even" or "pay for itself")
365  Alternate cryptocurrencies / Mining (Altcoins) / Re: Swedish ASIC miner company kncminer.com on: September 25, 2013, 02:12:37 PM
That 10 second video contains a mysterious detail. (I view it optimistically)

It also shows what has been described here as quadrants but it's hard to see with the different solder mask.

YMMV

Soon!
Smiley
366  Alternate cryptocurrencies / Mining (Altcoins) / Re: Swedish ASIC miner company kncminer.com on: September 23, 2013, 08:23:36 PM
rama I am dissapointed in you.

Constantly defending with 'I don't work for them' while technically true has an air of deception IMneverHO.

The unsaid implication that your opinion is/was unbiased can no longer be alluded to.

I doubt I'm alone.

367  Alternate cryptocurrencies / Mining (Altcoins) / Re: Swedish ASIC miner company kncminer.com on: September 23, 2013, 03:52:26 AM
Will we need a stratum-mining-proxy to avoid getwork penalties on Slush with KnC machines?  Would restarting the mining proxy hourly give a similar return improvement with KnC machines?  I don't think this would be hijacking the thread but for those who think it might, sorry.

cgminer (the software that KnC has said they are using) is fluent in Stratum.

no proxy needed


Will a PSU Tester like this one

http://www.ebay.com/itm/PC-20-24-Pin-PSU-ATX-SATA-HD-Power-Supply-Tester-/320615128503

do the trick and power on the miner?


That should work.
All they do is measure the voltages.


The testers that are _NOT_ apropriate for long term use are testers that test under load.
They make your power supply work hard to see if there are under load problems

They will get as hot as anything else that is consuming 500-1500 watts.

They typically cost LOTS more than the voltage measuring testers that people have posted.

EDIT: there are inexpensive 'load' testers that are to be AVOIDED for this application.
an example is here
http://www.newegg.com/Product/Product.aspx?Item=N82E16899200003&nm_mc=KNC-GoogleAdwords&cm_mmc=KNC-GoogleAdwords-_-pla-_-PC+tools%2f+Testers-_-N82E16899200003&gclid=CP-kk8_d4LkCFeIRMwod4RcAOA

And here are a couple good power supply load tester pron links (for those interested in such things)
http://www.corsair.com/us/blog/load-testing-the-ax1200i-digital-atx-psu/
http://www.silentpcreview.com/article148-page1.html


YMMV


Soon!
Smiley
368  Alternate cryptocurrencies / Mining (Altcoins) / Re: Swedish ASIC miner company kncminer.com on: September 12, 2013, 04:48:30 PM
I got a reply from KnC regarding BBB OS.

"The OS will be a  custom version  of Angstrom OS. The source code will be made available when we completed the hardware, and miners are released. "


Soon! Smiley

369  Alternate cryptocurrencies / Mining (Altcoins) / Re: Swedish ASIC miner company kncminer.com on: September 12, 2013, 03:55:00 AM
I absolutely reject the idea that the vendors SHOULD or could somehow limit growth.

It is a free market, literally, and one of the attractions is no overlords, government or otherwise.

To suggest vendors should somehow discriminate based on size of order does not compute.

Business is business, the whole idea is to make money.
If you think that is not true then you have no valid complain't that you won't get yours.

IMneverHO

And now for something completely different Smiley

<open_mouth_change_feet>
Back on topic, I emailed KnC asking if they would use the installed Angstrom or another distro.
No reply yet, but we could arguediscuss the merits of the choices available.

I could see them using uSD cards (with whatever OS) instead of the pre-installed OS  just to speed up delivery. This would be cool in that the Angstrom would still be there waiting for a powerup with the uSD removed.

All I can add at this point is that I have compared Deb and Angstrom mining and each works equally with block ruptures and a BBB. same same bfg vs cg

We should in theory be able to change it no matter what they choose considering they are using cgminer and it is open source.

Someone will likely put out a simple to install image file with their favorite distro shortly after they start hitting the doorsteps.

I'm partial to slackware personally but do not recommend it to the un-initated.

</open_mouth_change_feet>

YMMV

Soon! Smiley
370  Alternate cryptocurrencies / Mining (Altcoins) / Re: Swedish ASIC miner company kncminer.com on: September 11, 2013, 09:33:08 AM
I stand corrected regarding the SO-DIMM.
371  Alternate cryptocurrencies / Mining (Altcoins) / Re: Swedish ASIC miner company kncminer.com on: September 11, 2013, 01:12:59 AM
DeathAndTaxes sure seems to know alot about the KNCMiner... Do you have a inside hookup or do you work for them? Huh

Nope I just read a lot (and have an eidetic memory).

Perhaps your eidetic memory can recall this link
https://www.kncminer.com/news/news-25

Specifically the statement "Embedded Linux SO_DIMM module"
As far as I know that still stands.

I'm prepared to be proven wrong, even though I never claimed it was a fact.
You no doubt remember me stating "If they use the SO-DIMM pictured"
372  Alternate cryptocurrencies / Mining (Altcoins) / Re: Swedish ASIC miner company kncminer.com on: September 11, 2013, 12:26:21 AM
It makes sense that KnC in partnership with ORSoC would use an ORSoC Linux solution.

If they use the SO-DIMM pictured:
(FYI, SO-DIMM is the form factor typically found for laptop memory)

It's NOT a CPU powerhouse, at only 166MHz.
It does not need to be!

It _IS_ a perephial powerhouse!

It has 5 USB ports.

It has 5 ethernet ports and can do GiG ethernet.

It has an Altera FPGA on it for lots of helpful miner specific things.

Lets consider each in a bit more detail.

The SO-DIMM:
Only 1 connector needed for the brain, everything needing connection to the rest of the system is handled by the PCB that it rides on.
You just snap em in, possibly with screws to retain it.
You can preconfigure/program them on existing dedicated programming stations instead of having to hook up each miner for programming. FAST!
It is an industry standard 'module' in use for many years. (unlike the Pi and BBB form factor)
Most servers have SO-DIMM sockets so you can add a PC to your server to monitor the health etc.

The FPGA:
They are like magical reconfigurable printed circuit boards. (their most basic feature)
All you have to do during design is make sure you have a trace leading from the reconfigurable I/O pins to each external device and you can worry about the exact details as needed.
The FPGA in question has many additional features that address a miners needs.
Mainly lots of configurable logic (22,000 LUT's), clocks, and high speed communication, along with coordinating that communication.
I'm not suggesting that it will(no massive heatsink), but it is in theory possible that a miner with ZERO modules could still hash on the FPGA all by it's lonesome.
They chose a Linux solution that already has an FPGA onboard that the competition has had to add to their controller boards.
An FPGA primer linked below
http://www.ni.com/white-paper/6983/en/para4


The Ethernet Transceivers and Switch Engine:
Ethernet is a good choice for interfacing with the, wait for it,,, internet!
USB has a length limitation that ethernet solves with ease.
Hosting USB units would be a pain and need lots of additional components.

USB onboard:
5ports, 4 for ASICS and one for 'users'.
Utilize existing software that primarily uses USB to communicate with mining units.
We don't know the detail of the 5th port but it is possible that it could support a WiFi connection.

166MHz CPU:
It does not take much brain power to interface with a specialized team of perephials.
Consider "seemingly" incompetent middle managers(very rare but they exist), they are successful because their job is coordination not necessarily whatever specialty they manage.

Here is a link to the info for the pictured(by KnC) solution
http://www.orsoc.se/?page_id=484


In my mind KnC have demonstrated good component choices for getting an ASIC solution to market FAST! Imagine being an employed FPGA engineer with an interest in mining. You take your idea to your boss and they not only listen but say YES. The Mars FPGA evidently did well enough to convince the team to decide to throw down on the competition.

So far the execution of the 'margins on top of margins' KnC plan appears to be on target.
All ASIC vendors are at the mercy of their chosen foundry. An orginization with a long established relationship with a foundry reduces this risk. They can hold future business over their head to help insure timelines are met. They can get production scheduling and predict delivery based on past performance. This is a 'margin' the competition may not have.

We will know one way or the other shortly.
373  Alternate cryptocurrencies / Mining (Altcoins) / Re: Swedish ASIC miner company kncminer.com on: September 08, 2013, 11:05:28 AM

Ok, a clarification on the thermaltake psu. It's got EIGHT 8-pin pci-e power connectors on four cables, which is what I meant by four connectors. Each cable splits into a pair of 6+2 pci-e power connectors. It will definitely power two miners.

Which leads back to my original question: Should I run two miners on one psu? Is it safer to run a separate psu for each unit? I do have a spare 650W corsair psu, which I could use for my Saturn and save the Thermaltake for the Jupiter. This may not be as efficient at the wall, but it could prevent both miners from crashing if a single psu fails. How often does that really happen with a 1475W thermaltake gold psu, though? The geek in me says I should use the single PSU for both units. Not just for efficiency of electricity, it means having less power cords to deal with and less space taken up by external psu's.

80+ power supplies are most efficient at 50% load, if that helps with your decision.

I hate fan noise so the plan is to have the PS fans at low dB.
I have spent too many years on a raised floor surrounded by 9million fans,
and on weekends I hang around on turbo prop aircraft.
What am I doing mining if I hate fan noise??? Who knows?
Some of us are here because we're not all there!

I went with platinum and targeting/guessing at 50% based on KnC recommendations.
I expect the PS's will far outlive the miners so it is not a waste.
I also went with twice as many Saturns instead of Hoopiters.
It is more expensive but more flexible IMneverHO.
I'll have room and power for gen2 modules if they materialize.
Plus they will run cooler. I might adjust the 4 module ductage if it is installed in 2 module units.

As mentioned above, ppl with UPS's surf through 'the beginning' of outages.
Luckily I have spare 1500VA's with new battery, prolly good for 5-10 minutes. lol

Don't forget about air filters!
I use furnace filter material for my PC's.
Huge filter so it can get a bit dirty and still have good airflow.
Clean is cooler Smiley

I'm thinking of making a duct for 20" box fans instead of the case fans.
A 20x20 furnace filter fits nicely on the input side.
My goal is huge air and lower noise with easy to replace inexpensive filters.
This will also remove a few watts from the rigs.
I point one at my PC's when I don't want to run the AC.
I also have my equipment on 2'x4' shelving with acoustic ceiling tiles under and around the equipment.
(tape or paint the edges else they are a major source of lint/dustage)
This helps lower vibration and noise.

My decorating motif is 'industrial', lol

Some people pimp their rigs with lighted fans, etc., not me!
Everything has too many useless LED's nowadays, fuck that noise.



Soon! Smiley
374  Alternate cryptocurrencies / Mining (Altcoins) / Re: Swedish ASIC miner company kncminer.com on: August 27, 2013, 04:26:24 PM
Competition time!

We have a new challenge for you. We require a slogan for our controller board and we have 48 hours to make up our minds. You may remember we made a couple of minor mishaps with our Mars board. On our original Mars PCBs we printed: Bitcoins make the world go around! (Grammer is not our area of expertise, chip design is). So we have chosen to open this part of the design process to those following us on this forum. This is your chance to be immortalised in Bitcoin tech history. Please design the phrase you wish to see. There is still a space for one sentence on our boards. The 48 hours start now. Competition ends at 5.30pm (local time). We will decide the winning entrant which will then be seen on all our hardware; Jupiter, Saturn and Mercury.

Thanks,

KnCMiner team.



KnC ger 280 ångström!  Smiley

KnC delivers, at 280 ångström!  Smiley
375  Alternate cryptocurrencies / Mining (Altcoins) / Re: Swedish ASIC miner company kncminer.com on: August 27, 2013, 03:14:08 AM
You could use a TPLINK Nano router....all of $19.
You just use it in "client mode".

http://www.tp-link.com/ca/products/details/?model=TL-WR702N

I have one....it works fine to make any non-wifi network device into a wifi device.

Don't forget you will need to wire it to your power supply or get a USB wall wart.
376  Alternate cryptocurrencies / Mining (Altcoins) / Re: Swedish ASIC miner company kncminer.com on: August 27, 2013, 02:46:00 AM
an excellent reason to use wifi indeed, would stop a cablemodem, or dsl modem spike in its tracks.... but if I'm not mistaken, most wifi routers are already pre-configured as you say, with up-link on the RJ-45 side & down-link on the wi-fi side... or am I missing something?

Perhaps you are missing a spike on the AC line?

WiFi will not negate the lightning hazard thru the AC.

A smart miner will have a surge protector AT the miner.
Surge protectors with telco, coax, and ethernet ports are common.
A UPS would be even better so you can mine thru brown/black outs.
You would need a very big UPS to mine for more than a few minutes during a blackout though.

Everything in the chain needs lightning/surge protection!
Miners will come to a screeching halt if your upstream equipment goes poof.

Even though I posted a link to a WiFi solution I do not advocate WiFi for mining.
There are security/reliability issues.
377  Alternate cryptocurrencies / Mining (Altcoins) / Re: Swedish ASIC miner company kncminer.com on: August 27, 2013, 12:39:37 AM
an excellent reason to use wifi indeed, would stop a cablemodem, or dsl modem spike in its tracks.... but if I'm not mistaken, most wifi routers are already pre-configured as you say, with up-link on the RJ-45 side & down-link on the wi-fi side... or am I missing something?

The question is how to connect a Mercury via 802.11g.  As I recall it's slap in an ethernet cable, RJ-45, to one's network then ssh in or perhaps get in via https.  But I would rather avoid an ethernet cable going to it and instead have its ethernet internet interface a wireless.  A wireless uplink option would reduce warranty claims.

This router does AP client mode.
http://www.amazon.com/gp/product/B006DEBYWU/ref=oh_details_o02_s00_i00?ie=UTF8&psc=1

there are many similar inexpensive router/AP's available
378  Bitcoin / Hardware / Re: Where is Labcoin? Did they vanish after the IPO, NO updates and NO news? on: August 26, 2013, 04:46:41 AM
As the saying goes, when they need your money they will come Begging, after they got your money, they couldn't bother with you. They were no updates and theswede and Sam was missing in action on the securities and custom hardware thread. Did they run away. ? THanks to you all for the money now the can go enjoy themselves after the IPO.

I thought I had the answer but further investigation shows I am dyslexic.
I remembered seeing "CoinLab" recently. (not Labcoin)
http://alydian.co/

^^^ I do not advocate purchasing from them ^^^
I'm not pro or con just to be clear, everybody do your own calculations!

My calculations suggest a minimum of $200K down the tubes/gone/poof/finito.
More likely IMneverHO a loss of $300,000 USD.

They definately did not waste money on a fancy website! Smiley
(so they got that goin of them)

Your Mileage May Vary

Is this them?
379  Alternate cryptocurrencies / Mining (Altcoins) / Re: Swedish ASIC miner company kncminer.com on: August 22, 2013, 10:18:14 PM

Coincidentally, I am designing a 3 phase DC/DC power circuit that currently delivers 0.84V @80A w/ ~92% efficiency based around the LTC-3829, tunable @5mV increments, powered by a 12V ATX supply (+-10 nominal).  Each phases lower FET dissipates a maximum of 0.75W, which is the highest of any single component in the design.   I've got roughly 20 hours into the design.  Further, synching does not eliminate ripple.   In ideal situtations yes, however that's why any spice simulator worth using allows sweeps of tolerance ranges.  The reality is that the load is not uniform across the phases.  I'm not even going to address the rise time and caps comment as its obvious you have little experience with this type of circuitry.

The reason I mention the inefficiencies of their supply choice are that the poor choice of external PSU was due to "lower heat" then a week later post that they are dumping an extra 100W of heat into the chassis, which about what a good PSU would do (80% vs 90+% designs that are readily available).  All it takes is looking at any motherboard, gpu, or other high amperage, low volt device and making a few emails.


I figured you were an inductorologist. (you claim to be anyways)
I'm curious if your design uses off the shelf inductors.

I clearly stated that better designs were possible.

Your design is still on the drawing board.
Their supply is pictured mounted on a printed circuit board.

Why would you design a supply if there are such good choices available already?
Is it possible that the price and/or availability was a factor in their decision?

My point is that it is likely good enough for the application.
It comes down to price and availability.
They had to pull the trigger a while ago.
All designs involve compromise.

As an inductorologist you might naturally have different ideas in your field of study.
Do you also design ASICS, and have connections to get them to market quickly?
There's money to be made in them thar hills!

Why don't you contact KnC and see if they are interested in your design for future products?
You could also sell retrofit parts for rev 1 miners.
According to you everyone who purchases a miner will need one.

If you are right and the rise time prevents proper function of the miner I will admit I was wrong.
On the gripping hand,,,
Will you do the same if the roles are reversed?

Perhaps one of us should "die in a fire immediatly" if we are wrong.
You do advocate such things.

Time will tell Wink
380  Alternate cryptocurrencies / Mining (Altcoins) / Re: Swedish ASIC miner company kncminer.com on: August 22, 2013, 10:22:36 AM
http://www.lineagepower.com/oem/pdf/MDT040A0X.pdf

Max efficiency at 0.6V out w/ 12V input - 84%
Max efficiency at 1.2V out w/ 12V input - 90%
Max efficiency at 1.8V out w/ 12V input - 92%

And the whopper, 1.5ms typical rise in output current from 10% to 90%.  Not very responsive for such a small converter, esp for switching at 400khz.

And did you see that ripple voltage? !!!
Oh my gosh, between 8-20mVp-p at 1 volt!

It's too bad they couldn't use 2 of them at once.
It's too bad they don't have a SYNC function.
It's too bad the SYNC function couldn't be programmed to reduce ripple by interleaving.

If only there were such things.

Oh wait.....
They do have those functions.

Gee I wonder if the KnC guys noticed or it was just coinkydink

It's too bad the pdf you linked didn't include examples of how to deal with the known limitations.
Oh wait.....

All DC/DC converters have limitations.
The efficiency is not bad. It's 80+ and that's DC/DC at 1/12th supply V.

An engineer could design better given enough time and money.

But (there's always a 'but')

Not if you wanted off the shelf _and_ wanted some headroom within the $$$/time budget.
IMneverHO

25% of possible total supply voltage range for the device seems quite flexible to me.
They have V to spare if their thermal budget has any room left.

I almost forgot.
"And the whopper, 1.5ms typical rise in output current from 10% to 90%."

It's too bad they couldn't place caps around the ASIC to compensate.
Oh wait.....

Are you some kind of inductorologist with mad skillz?
I didn't notice your suggestion for a better choice.
Please include delivery time and cost savings if you do venture an opinion.

To me their DC/DC supply fits exactly their 'margin on top of margin' claim.
Thx for the link!

Time will tell Wink
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