Good to see you around.
Keep up the good work on gocoin.
You take pull requests?
I haven't so far since I wanted to stay the only copyright holder, hoping to cash on it some day selling it for a commerce apps. But unlike the fucking bunch of traitors I do care about the future of the bitcoin as we know it, more than personal profits, so I'm open for suggestions and ideas... Is that why you are using openssl instead of https://github.com/titanous/bitcoin-crypto ? OpenSSL is optional - its there just to speed up ECDSA verify operations, since the ones from standard go libs are damn slow. But I ported sipa's ECDSA lib into native Go and it performs even better than openssl, so these days openssl is even disabled by default. I left it there though, for paranoid people who trust more in the openssl mess than in the nice sipa's code  (I'm definitely not one of them). I see. By the way, what do you think about the memory usage, Are you considering/doing memory profiling and optimizations? |
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if tghe thign listed here happends - then BTC is no different than USD or any other currency.
if there is reversile charges and easy tracking of wallets that means its no longer bitcoin. surely the market is big and there are people who want to enter it fro mthe backdoor, but we as a community should do everything o stop that. even if that will mean moving to some altcoin in the end.
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Good to see you around.
Keep up the good work on gocoin.
You take pull requests?
I haven't so far since I wanted to stay the only copyright holder, hoping to cash on it some day selling it for a commerce apps. But unlike the fucking bunch of traitors I do care about the future of the bitcoin as we know it, more than personal profits, so I'm open for suggestions and ideas... Is that why you are using openssl instead of https://github.com/titanous/bitcoin-crypto ? |
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Good to see you around. Keep up the good work on gocoin. You take pull requests? |
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In the past most threats against the Foundation have been idle (imo), but even now I get a very bad feeling in my stomach about this. I wouldn't be surprised if we start seeing the BF forums get DDoS'd, defaced, among other things. Given the poor standing of other notable members (see: Peter Vessenes), the future of the Foundation is very fragile. Yes they pay Gavin, but that's only because we accept their changes and update our software. If we stop doing that and fork QT, the need for them diminishes quickly. It would be in their benefit to remember that.
the Foundation who has claimed to champion the fungibility of the protocol.
You know you can simply create a github account and start contributing? (right here: https://github.com/bitcoin/bitcoin, behold the Fork button) Like many others in this community you make it sound like forking the code is some grandiose act of rebellion. But it's simply how open source works. No need to BF member, or go through a secret core dev initiation ritual. Seriously, we can use more active contributors for Bitcoind/-qt. Get involved! Stop complaining, start coding (or as Erik Hughes wrote in his manifesto in 1993: Cypherpunks write code). Forking the code is not a threat to anyone. Don't confuse it with forking the blockchain. Well said. Developers should also be positive to alternative clients. Gatekeeper mentality will only hurt open source projects |
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have you actually tried this? apparently a web link is some sort of new form of argument proof in our modern times. argumentum ad hrefium?Yea I have tried it before and I tried it again. It works like a charm. Here is the output Using NewEC wrapper for EC_Verify
Gocoin client version 0.8.3
You seem to be running Gocoin for the fist time on this PC
There is a database from Satoshi client on your disk...
Go you want to import this database into Gocoin? (y/n) : y
Go you want to verify scripts while importing (will be slow)? (y/n) : n
Be patient while importing Satoshi's database...
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Now saving the new database...
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open /home/user/.bitcoin/gocoin/btcnet/wallet/DEFAULT: no such file or directory
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Why a decentralized currency like bitcoin should have any interest in having a cozy relationship with a centralized cartel is completely lost to me.
Its actually a good thing that the banks are rejecting it, that way it won't become another enslaved fiat currency.
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Maybe the bitcoin foundation should be a distributed, peer-to-peer foundation. Not localized in any country.
This is not a bad idea. Their "votes" should probably be part of the block chain as well. |
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Bitcoin is like cash, and who would use a dollar bill that could be remotely seized or invalidated by someone? just because bin laden is using dollar bills? In contrast to paper bills, btc can be converted to any altcoin at exchanges anywhere on the planet, so how could a tainted version of btc survive? Fiat exchange can be regulated because there are bank accounts involved but btc-altcoin conversion are nearly impossible to regulate. Each of the various altcoins could replace btc instantly, only problem being that many BTC owners would lose money. Maybe it is time to get a bunch of the most common altcoins just in case?  An altcoin could be bought with bitcoins. It doesn't need to be a problem |
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Bitcoin is not supposed to be a tool that replaces the incompetence of law enforcement.
We need an altcoin that improves the weaknesses bitcoin has, hence allows people to be free once again, and not treated as potential Bin Ladens.
You know this
Yes, where have I said any different? My point wasn't that it's wrong about bin laden's account in my example, my point was about how it would play out. I thought that was obvious but sorry if it wasn't. If you read the foundation threads, someone made exactly the same point as your first line. Banks have had all this too - they don't want all this KYC but they were forced to give in. Hopefully bitcoin won't. I guess you didn't, I just needed an entry point |
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I am to the point where I would take a serious look at a codebase released from a group of people I trust to evolve the protocol in a healthy direction which rectifies some of the deficiencies. gmaxwell, retep, and adam3us come to mind.
Ideally releases from the more desirable codebase would track and inter-operate with releases blessed by the Bitcoin Foundation. Until they didn't.
You already have a codebase released from that group, the one at http://github.com/bitcoin/bitcoinIf it is changed in a way that is seriously objectionable, as opposed to minor disagreements about engineering tradeoffs, believe me, you will see alternative releases from myself and many others pop up. you do realize that code base is a labyrinthine maze of C code, GOTOs, global variables, and other off-putting things? there are only a few people who are effectively capable of modifying the bitcoin code in any serious way. The only alternative client is BitcoinJ, written by Mike Hearn, who appears to be at the center of this whole controversy. Given that not many people here seem to even know the basics of software engineering, that leaves precious few people who can have an impact and haven't been bought out. There is alternatives. http://www.assets-otc.com/gocoin/He's code looks sane, as go code usually does. - I was thinking that if this rubbish is implemented, the network will become a battlegound for hacking and attacks. And with the crap that gov is likely to contribute, those attacks will likely succeed. The foundation needs to improve the strength of the protocol and its resilience, not bend it to anyone's will |
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Forget Europe. The only nation we know of that might be up to the task is in South America, but no nation should be given such a dangerous task.
The network peers worldwide is what gives the coin strength. It always was
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So far what I'm reading is a very adult conversation about serious issues Bitcoin faces as it grows up. I'm not seeing the sort of thread that would happen here or Reddit.
It's not decisions being forced by the Foundation and I'm tired of seeing it put across like that. It's a discussion and it's a really important one. Here is why:
Imagine Bin Laden is still around.
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Bitcoin is not supposed to be a tool that replaces the incompetence of law enforcement. We need an altcoin that improves the weaknesses bitcoin has, hence allows people to be free once again, and not treated as potential Bin Ladens. You know this |
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Socialism right from the get-go is evil. Why? Because it can exist only by the threat of force - follow these rules, give up a percentage of your earnings...OR ELSE WE WILL COME LOOKING FOR YOU. Resist and you go to jail. Resist further and we will kill you. There is an unspoken gun in the room, always present, always menacing.
You say you want socialism because of the evils of capitalism. Yet you want socialism forced on everyone at the point of a gun. This immediately negates any discussion. Socialism is violent by definition because it is forced upon those who may not want it.
I'll take capitalism any day. Capitalism is not evil. Capitalism lets the market decide. You do not have to force capitalism upon the people at the point of a gun. Capitalism just happens, it is peace. It is industry. It is Bitcoin.
Maybe I'm the only one here but why would you want capitalism? A bunch of suits sitting in their chesterfields buying and selling companies they have never seen, except as a number in some excel sheet? Fuck that. Call it a free market and I'm in You have no idea what true capitalism is. My $.02.  What did I miss? I'm not hard to convince these days... edit: I should say that I did agree with your post, I just can't divorce me from the idea that capitalism as we know it is directly involved in the making of the current delusion we call democracy I think your view of capitalism is based on the few rather than the many and the way things really work.. Here is an example of TRUE capitalism!: http://manfrommodesto.hubpages.com/hub/Lincoln-Electric-Case-StudyMy $.02. Fair enough, even though it sounds a bit like communism. If I wan't to work 14 hours a day when everyone else is working 8, I will do so. And I won't ask for permission  |
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... A) extending the 21 million limit, ...
This is all I need to know. The current protocol is flawed. Each client must enforce the rules, not just the miners. That way the protocol gets written in stone. We need an altcoin that does this in addition to improve the anonymity of users Every client DOES enforce the rules. Thanks. I guess I have to take a closer look at how this really ticks |
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The site is new that could have something to do with it.. If you guys see how its malicious, please, I need to know so I can fix it. Thanks
... There are no extremely complicated mathematical questions being solved during mining ... How about computationally expensive calculations? |
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This is all I need to know. The current protocol is flawed. Each client must enforce the rules, not just the miners. That way the protocol gets written in stone. We need an altcoin that does this in addition to improve the anonymity of users |
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Is there a online repository for this? You think java is the best fit for the protocol/daemon itself? No not yet, I will announce though when it's released. It will be open source with one of the well accepted FLOSS licenses(haven't decided which one yet). I like Java because that's what they use in Finance, it's the most useful language, and they have well validated Crypto libraries. Also it runs on virtually any platform, it's fast, and lots of people know how to use it. You will be able to build a trader bot quite easily in Python though. Do you think Java would be an issue? -bm I have to admit I don't like the idea of using java at the lowest level. With its virtual machine requirement and the binary blob most users is running on Windows. The whole thing just smells bad. On the other hand it might attract quite a few developers. And is is a very productive language imo. Personally I think Go, or even C, is a good fit. C might even attract some good developers as well. That said, its not a big deal. I'll probably play around making a prototype in Go if the whitepaper solves the different issues well |
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Socialism right from the get-go is evil. Why? Because it can exist only by the threat of force - follow these rules, give up a percentage of your earnings...OR ELSE WE WILL COME LOOKING FOR YOU. Resist and you go to jail. Resist further and we will kill you. There is an unspoken gun in the room, always present, always menacing.
You say you want socialism because of the evils of capitalism. Yet you want socialism forced on everyone at the point of a gun. This immediately negates any discussion. Socialism is violent by definition because it is forced upon those who may not want it.
I'll take capitalism any day. Capitalism is not evil. Capitalism lets the market decide. You do not have to force capitalism upon the people at the point of a gun. Capitalism just happens, it is peace. It is industry. It is Bitcoin.
Maybe I'm the only one here but why would you want capitalism? A bunch of suits sitting in their chesterfields buying and selling companies they have never seen, except as a number in some excel sheet? Fuck that. Call it a free market and I'm in You have no idea what true capitalism is. My $.02. What did I miss? I'm not hard to convince these days... edit: I should say that I did agree with your post, I just can't divorce me from the idea that capitalism as we know it is directly involved in the making of the current delusion we call democracy |
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I'm a little two sided about how this would play out.
Isn't this just going to create a non-white listed market that millions of people and companies will have to use whether they want to or not?
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