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301  Bitcoin / Bitcoin Discussion / Re: Calling all Bitcoiners: SPEAK OUT against CIRCLE! on: May 18, 2014, 05:41:02 PM
There is a world of difference between a private company doing business in a free market surviving by providing beneficial services to its customers versus the state-sponsored pyramid schemes being depicted in those graphs.
All capitalist enterprises are pyramid schemes, and all corporations are state-sponsored. In my country (USA), the business elite and the political elite are the SAME PEOPLE.

Over the course of the last forty years, the "american dream" has hardened into a brutal caste system with a massive, for-profit prison population. Things will get worse before they get better.

The concept of the "free market" is a myth, and I aim to expose it. It was never free - there is and was always the use of coercion, and violence if that failed.  Bitcoin is political whether you like it or not.

There are other ways, you know. Have a little imagination.

This is sophomoric beyond my wildest dreams.

Here's the basic pattern to this behavior --

1) Somebody makes an observation or argument;
2) Quick! Immediately loosely link whatever was said to a canned bush league piece of polemic vomit that you were looking to say all along no matter what was said!
3) Make sure to say presumptuous things about the mental faculties of the person you're responding to.

Very classy son, keep it up!
302  Bitcoin / Bitcoin Discussion / Re: Calling all Bitcoiners: SPEAK OUT against CIRCLE! on: May 18, 2014, 05:32:50 PM
There is a world of difference between a private company doing business in a free market surviving by providing beneficial services to its customers versus the state-sponsored pyramid schemes being depicted in those graphs.

This whole line of argumentation regresses into the absurd ad infinitum.

There will never ever ever ever ever be something that somebody somewhere couldn't oppose as being centralized.

If I decide to open a small business repairing tractors, suddenly I am a centralized point of failure pyramid scheme monopolist because something happens in a centralized place, i.e. my shop. I order parts, hire other mechanics, etc. all without everyone else in the world being involved. God forbid, I'm a criminal destined to collapse at any moment and steal everybody's broken tractor assets!
303  Bitcoin / Bitcoin Discussion / Re: Calling all Bitcoiners: SPEAK OUT against CIRCLE! on: May 18, 2014, 05:15:18 PM
Bitcoin _requires_ no central services of any kind...people do.

But should centralized services be _forbidden_? Clearly they can be no more forbidden than they can be required. Bitcoin will go on with or without centralized infrastructure...the exchange value of bitcoins, however, is very dependent on it's utility. I think Circle will help many people find Bitcoin useful that otherwise would not be able to use it.

Good luck with that argument on this forum.  I'm no fan of banks, especially after recently having my corporate account forcefully closed with no recourse or an admission of the real reason.  However, they are a needed system for a modern economy, and Bitcoin will need bank-like systems if it expects to cope with the transaction speed that people expect these days.

Bitcoin "banks" will happen.  You don't have to use them.  But if you want to be able to go to a restaurant or a store and pay with Bitcoin as quick and easy as a credit card, you're going to need a third party that will insure 0-conf transactions.  The two easiest ways to do that are a payment processor that offers vendors insured 0-conf transaction processing at the cost of a higher merchant fee (and service cancellations for high risk vendors), or a bank/banking network where the user has funds stored online in advance to be used for point of sale purchases.

This is the rational way to look at things. Decentralization isn't a religion. There are plenty of problems out there that we don't have decentralized solutions for, so there's no way around people wanting off-blockchain services at least for the time being.

It's all well and good for people to have opinions about shunning centralized actors, but one of the foundational cypherpunk ethics is show me the code. We don't have the software yet to do everything the most ideologically-pure way that would satisfy zealots, so they're just going to have to deal.
304  Economy / Speculation / Re: Wall Observer BTC/USD - Bitcoin price movement tracking & discussion on: May 18, 2014, 04:57:38 PM
Nice trades on Huobi, the whole trade window is basically 0.01 BTC sell followed by 0.01BTC buy, one after another, short time spans. Feels like everyone took a snack break in China.

It's like the BTC-e trollbox has become a sentient being.
305  Bitcoin / Legal / Re: U.S states take lead in writing bitcoin rules on: May 18, 2014, 04:30:09 PM
I think this kind of development is just indicative of the culture of political dysfunction in the United States. The Federal Government has obvious constitutional authority over this issue but refuses to act (because the Federal Government does not do a single thing ever for the past several decades that isn't dictated by its corporate patrons), and thus produces a chilling effect, by creating a vacuum in which 50 different prior restraint regimes have to run amuck. Now states have to reinvent something that the Federal Government was supposed to be in the first place by banding together on an ad hoc basis.
306  Bitcoin / Bitcoin Discussion / Re: Calling all Bitcoiners: SPEAK OUT against CIRCLE! on: May 17, 2014, 06:27:12 AM
The concept of an open neutral system means that people are free to use it in ways that you don't like, and they're not stopping you from using it the way you like.

A great analogy is GNU/Linux. IBM can go ahead and contribute to it and load it on their own commercially-sold servers, but that doesn't stop a teenager in a third world country from learning about programming by loading Debian onto a Raspberry PI.
307  Bitcoin / Bitcoin Discussion / Re: Bitcoin + Universities on: May 15, 2014, 11:11:20 PM
I'm the only one who think that students are the biggest part of population that the community want to add them?

young ambitious technically evolved and the next generation that will rule their countries..
I'm sure that some universities will accept some deals that involved BTC and even lectures that explain the main idea of it.

Even on a practical level, a while back when I explained Bitcoin to my mother, the very first thing she thought of was that she wished this existed back when me and my siblings were in college, because she could immediately send money to us whenever with no hassle.
308  Economy / Service Discussion / Re: Why is everyone so gullible? on: May 15, 2014, 10:47:34 PM
People are not gullible simply because they are willing to accept higher levels of risk than you are. The tone of this overall conversation seems to suggest that there is some objective rationally-derived level of risk acceptance that acts as a cutoff for being a moron, and somehow whoever the poster is gets to be the arbiter of that cutoff.

This is very reminiscent of some very basic interpersonal cognitive bias, whereby in hindsight we tend to interpret bad outcomes for somebody else strictly to stupidity rather than bad luck.
309  Bitcoin / Bitcoin Discussion / Re: Bitcoin + Universities on: May 15, 2014, 10:43:32 PM
Universities lost their "laboratories of progress" status a long time ago. Most academics look and act more bureaucrats than intellectual leaders now. They screech about funding while giving their students no real tools to use in the the real world after they leave school. 

Obviously this should be taken with a grain of salt because it's a generalization, but becoming a university professor is basically the fallback position for somebody who has academic qualifications but no discernible value transitioning into the real world. It's a self-selecting population of failures who simply succeeded keeping their nose clean and going along with whatever the groupthink flavor of the month is in academia.
310  Bitcoin / Mining speculation / Re: How does one calculate return at given difficulty/hashrate on: May 15, 2014, 03:06:36 AM
A convenient way is go to

http://blockexplorer.com/q/probability

That webservices link returns the probability of any given hash being successful based on the current difficulty.

Your hashrate expressed as hashes/s multiplied by 86400 seconds in a day tells you how many tries you get to solve a block every day.

If we call those P and H, based on the expected value theorem your average BTC income per day (not counting tx fees or pool fees, which could be estimated in if desired) --

P * H * 86400 * 25

P * H * 86400 itself basically tells you what fraction of a block on average per day you would win
311  Economy / Speculation / Re: Wall Observer BTC/USD - Bitcoin price movement tracking & discussion on: May 15, 2014, 02:49:39 AM
There was an article 6 months ago where paypal said they were looking at btc and had been for a while.  Now they are looking at btc.  So?

No I don't have a link, only my faulty memory. 

This can be the new anti-China. "Paypal STILL considering Bitcoin"!
312  Economy / Speculation / Re: Why Bitcoin’s Downward Trend Spells Trouble on: May 14, 2014, 09:44:57 PM
A couple very pertinent suggestions for this poster's publication to attempt to rise out of bush league status --

1) Using first person out of nowhere in an opinion piece like this is the kind of thing that gets you mediocre to failing grades in a 101 college English composition class.

2) Opinion pieces require some amount of reasoning in order to in some way support these huge and embarrassing over-the-top generalizations. You don't have to re-invent the wheel and develop an entire theory of economics from scratch here, but statements like the follow with no substantiation simply make you sound dumb:

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Any attempt to apply traditional market analysis techniques to Bitcoin is just nonsense.

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Bitcoin’s value can’t be calculated using traditional metrics, and any attempt to do so is at best folly and at worst deliberately misleading.

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Steadily declining prices create a dilemma for Bitcoin that doesn’t exist in other markets.

Basically these are valid topic sentences for a paragraph, but instead of using the remainder of the paragraph to elaborate and develop these ideas, you lose us in some kind of corn maze.

3) Anticipating the reaction of the reader without having actually made any claim yet makes you sound like you're passive-aggressively attempting to manage their thinking. That's a serious turnoff that makes people want to just stop reading. A great example is this paragraph, which basically accomplishes nothing but insult the reader's intelligence for no apparent reason:

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Bitcoin’s value can’t be calculated using traditional metrics, and any attempt to do so is at best folly and at worst deliberately misleading.
Before anyone thinks I’m dissing Bitcoin, let me remind readers that US currency is also nothing to most people but abstracted blips in a bank’s computer system that can be traded for paper that also has no intrinsic value. The only difference between Bitcoins and dollars is that dollars have the full faith and credit of the United States of America standing behind them, and that actually means quite a lot out in the real world."

None of these attributes are necessarily out of place for an informal sort of forum post or discussion, but since this information is being presented as a bona fide article linked to something that appears to be attempting to function as some kind of news site, you are desperately in need of some constructive criticism like this to just rise to the level of at least entry-level English composition standards.

313  Bitcoin / Bitcoin Discussion / Re: Decentralization Required, Ongoing Problem, Help Needed! on: May 14, 2014, 09:08:42 PM
Would p2pool have potential scalability issues if adopted on a scale much larger than now? For example, would the coinbase transaction be a problem with potentially tens of thousands of payout addresses? Also, if the solution to that issue is increasing p2pool share difficulty, isn't that just re-inventing something like solo mining in the long term?

You got it.  You can only split a block so many ways.  Or more correctly there is an upper bound on the number of p2pool shares per block because shares are added to a sharechain.  That means there is a lower limit on share difficulty.

If there were no pools today and p2pool had 100% of the hashpower directed at it, then with 1 share per second the p2pool share difficulty 1/600th of the block difficulty and there would be on average 600 shares found per block.

It would be fascinating then if the centralized pools actually mined on top of p2pool themselves. P2pool could act as a sort of "granularity layer" dividing the block reward hundreds of ways. We would still have a mixture of centralized pools and maybe people mining on top of p2pool themselves directly, but the variance reduction incentive to join a large pool would decline dramatically.
314  Bitcoin / Bitcoin Discussion / Re: Decentralization Required, Ongoing Problem, Help Needed! on: May 14, 2014, 08:18:59 PM
Would p2pool have potential scalability issues if adopted on a scale much larger than now? For example, would the coinbase transaction be a problem with potentially tens of thousands of payout addresses? Also, if the solution to that issue is increasing p2pool share difficulty, isn't that just re-inventing something like solo mining in the long term?
315  Economy / Speculation / Re: Wall Observer BTC/USD - Bitcoin price movement tracking & discussion on: May 13, 2014, 12:39:59 AM
I think Ripple is at best a stepping stone toward a more crypto centric mainstream and not in any way an improvement on the satoshi concept. Ripple doesn't allow for use cases without counterparty risk unless you're strictly in XRP, and their distribution of XRP basically guarantees that will never happen. Ripple is attractive in the short term if you believe that regulators will succeed in not letting us have nice things, but otherwise I don't see any advantages over truly-decentralized solutions.


Imagine that btc-e become a gateway too. Then you could immediatly transfer some USD from bitstamp to btce to do some arbitrage. You could also send your bitcoin in instant (instead of waiting +/- 45min) to btce, trade it then withdraw it.


I never let my bitcoins too long on an exchange, I keep them on exchange just the time I need to trade.

This is not different with the Ripple Network. So you can use it as a way to transfer your crypto or anything. If it's a decentralized trustless token like bitcoin then you can (and you should) withdraw it to your wallet as soon as your transfer/trade is done.

So this has the same problems, you need to trust an exchange platform/gateway the time it takes for you to trade/transfer your coins.

Otherwise there are only advantages using such system.

I think there's merit to that opinion, in the sense that Ripple is not necessarily directly competing with what a Satoshi-style system is purporting to do, but it has a strong use-case in improving the legacy counterparty-laden interface between crypto and the status quo.
316  Alternate cryptocurrencies / Altcoin Discussion / Re: Scientifically valuable alternative for bitcoin? on: May 13, 2014, 12:21:56 AM
I think these kinds of ideas centering around having proof-of-work do some kind of useful work are horribly misguided and just a bad idea in general.

Two main reasons, one cryptographic and one economic --

1) Having a non-arbitrary proof-of-work undermines the security of the system by undermining the randomness of successful proofs.

2) Having a side-utility of proof-of-work outside of the functioning of the system itself introduces the risk of economic incentives that could interfere with the incentives internal to the system.
317  Economy / Speculation / Re: Wall Observer BTC/USD - Bitcoin price movement tracking & discussion on: May 12, 2014, 11:53:51 PM
I think Ripple is at best a stepping stone toward a more crypto centric mainstream and not in any way an improvement on the satoshi concept. Ripple doesn't allow for use cases without counterparty risk unless you're strictly in XRP, and their distribution of XRP basically guarantees that will never happen. Ripple is attractive in the short term if you believe that regulators will succeed in not letting us have nice things, but otherwise I don't see any advantages over truly-decentralized solutions.
318  Economy / Speculation / Re: Wall Observer BTC/USD - Bitcoin price movement tracking & discussion on: May 12, 2014, 09:02:03 PM
I think he really means the use case of Ripple as a platform for BTC trades, and not specifically XRP as an asset.
319  Economy / Speculation / Re: Wall Observer BTC/USD - Bitcoin price movement tracking & discussion on: May 11, 2014, 09:08:01 PM
Interesting newer member in BTC-e chat, indicates he is a Wall Street trader. 

Of course, he can be some kid in his parent's basement but his chat logs suggest he does have experience trading and education in business mathematics.  Interesting things said like:

"if CFTC approves of an exchange entity to trade BTC on the like NYMEX or CBOT or any of the commodity trading houses you will see 100k-1,000k% rise weeks before the approval"

"imagine god hit you up and offered you some gold before he cast it onto the earth... now we have bitcoin and its like god is saying to us all who know today hey im about to make the new gold want in before I give it up to everyone"


yea that's bullshit lol

100k-1kk% imply a price range of $450k-4.5mil.

The percentages may be a several order of magnitude overestimation, but the underlying princple is extremely plausible.
320  Economy / Economics / Re: Fractional Reserve Lending IS NOT bad - its unavoidable on: May 11, 2014, 06:53:48 PM
Say what?  If a bank takes in your deposit and loans out 900% of that as FRB.  The loan is an asset-no?  BTW this is not how it works.  But I'm trying to use YOUR logic.

How is it you think banks are designed not to meet liabilities if their assets exceed liabilities due to being able to create new money


Replace the word "liability" with "obligation" or whatever general English word you want to use, and the argument still holds up. Your rhetorical spasms here sound good dramatically but the entire point you're trying to make is a sloppy equivocation on the definition of money, then you're acting like it's outrageous that somebody else produces an argument that doesn't accept your at best controversial baked-in assumptions.
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