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461  Alternate cryptocurrencies / Altcoin Discussion / Re: NXT coin - A total scam? on: March 21, 2014, 12:46:19 PM
Even NXT is a great coin it will still fail just because of its extremely unfair distribution. The developer should blame himself to use this terrible distribution process. For pure POS coin, fair distribution plays a big part in these coins success.

This is pretty much a flaw inherent to all proof-of-stake coins. Distribution cannot be from mining because there is no opportunity cost inherent to mining any one particular chain.
462  Economy / Speculation / Re: Early adoption stage on: March 21, 2014, 12:43:18 PM
The scarcity or non-scarcity of software is not the point of the comparison at all.

The point is the nature of the network effects involved in adopting it. The fact that "Bitcoin" exists as a token that has market-based price discovery is incidental to the comparison.

The point of the Linux comparison is that there are viable use cases for mass adoption that do not involve masses of people directly interacting with Bitcoin in any noticable way.

Maybe a more obvious example of this scenario is voice-over-IP telephony. Basically 100% of telephone service is over IP on the backend now. But the public-facing interface is still a phone. Someone who still has regular copper pots service does not have to actually know anything about the nuances of how their phone calls are routed via IP in the background. Bitcoin could turn out the same way where the direct experience of users is through financial instruments and interfaces that resemble what they already do without having to directly interact with the Bitcoin network itself in any significant way.
Doesn't matter if muggles know they are using bitcoin or not, what matters is how much it is used. If you owned a millionth of all the copper in the world, you would be insanely rich. Not from people buying copper in its raw form, but from all the computers and phones and dishwashers people use. I get where you were going with the linux thing, but nobody makes money if I download a copy of Ubuntu.

This pervasive obsession I'm seeing with Linux adoption not directly increasing some kind of market cap is pedantic about a distinction that is irrelevant to the observation being made.
463  Economy / Speculation / Re: Early adoption stage on: March 21, 2014, 02:10:27 AM
The scarcity or non-scarcity of software is not the point of the comparison at all.

The point is the nature of the network effects involved in adopting it. The fact that "Bitcoin" exists as a token that has market-based price discovery is incidental to the comparison.

The point of the Linux comparison is that there are viable use cases for mass adoption that do not involve masses of people directly interacting with Bitcoin in any noticable way.

Maybe a more obvious example of this scenario is voice-over-IP telephony. Basically 100% of telephone service is over IP on the backend now. But the public-facing interface is still a phone. Someone who still has regular copper pots service does not have to actually know anything about the nuances of how their phone calls are routed via IP in the background. Bitcoin could turn out the same way where the direct experience of users is through financial instruments and interfaces that resemble what they already do without having to directly interact with the Bitcoin network itself in any significant way.
464  Bitcoin / Bitcoin Discussion / Re: Is Buffet right or wrong? on: March 21, 2014, 12:51:30 AM
In this thread I have learned a lot about the way people think. Explains to me about why society is impossible to organize away from banksters.

In the abstract, not much has changed since when you could give a native a mirror and he would give you his vast acreage of land in exchange.

Wasn't this high-functioning autistic supposed to be going away several pages ago?
465  Economy / Speculation / Re: Early adoption stage on: March 20, 2014, 08:44:59 PM
This whole ecosystem might in the end turn out more like Linux adoption than say smartphone adoption.

The ultimate ubiquitous use-case for Bitcoin might end up being the underlying infrastructure of mainstream financial transactions, where consumers interact in exactly the same way as before through existing firms that convert over.

Much the same as how Linux never really caught on for desktop use but completely changed the world on the backend.
466  Bitcoin / Bitcoin Discussion / Re: If Satoshi was a "genius", then why do BTC transactions take so long? on: March 20, 2014, 08:23:26 PM
It's a tradeoff between the granularity of confirmations and the probability of creating orphans. Satoshi actually picked a pretty good sweet spot.
467  Bitcoin / Mining speculation / Re: Mining 50$/day??? on: March 20, 2014, 02:57:35 AM
Something like this is impossible to achieve outside of maybe one retargeting because there are several variables moving all at the same time.

Here's some quick-and-dirty to make some estimates:

http://blockexplorer.com/q/probability

That webservices link returns the probability of any given hash being successful based on the current difficulty.

Your hashrate expressed as hashes/s multiplied by 86400 seconds in a day tells you how many tries you get to solve a block every day.

If we call those P and H, based on the expected value theorem your average BTC income per day (not counting tx fees or pool fees, which could be estimated in if desired) --

P * H * 86400 * 25

P * H * 86400 itself basically tells you what fraction of a block on average per day you would win

Taking that original model, call the BTC/USD exchange rate E.

Your dollar revenue will on average equal:

E * P * H * 86400 * 25

Setting this equal to $50 and doing the algebra yields --

H = 1 / (E*P*43200)

For $50 right now that requires about 700 GH/s just ballparking 1 BTC = $600.

This relationship breaks down very quickly unless BTC price and difficulty increase perfectly in tandem.

468  Bitcoin / Mining speculation / Re: Pricing of GHS and GHS Futures on: March 19, 2014, 07:54:50 PM
Actually, it seems to be good for the holders of GHS when they increase their mining power, because maybe they can dilute the fixed costs and our mining margin could improve.

What the model predicts is the price you should pay to have an specific return on your BTCs as long as you hold the GHS. The model considers the GHS as a bond where you have a future cash flow in BTC.

The fact that Cex is a monopsony GH/s supplier means that the bond has perpetually negative interest rate unless you're operating under fairytale difficulty increase projections.

When Cex dumps GH/s on the market, they are not just dilluting fixed costs, they're also dilluting GH/s price vis-a-vis simple supply-and-demand.

People don't actually make any money on Cex treating it like your model does, the future discounted revenue aspect of Cex cannot ever be profitable anytime soon, the only way to make a return is day-trading GH/s purely speculatively, which is a losing proposition because again the monopsony nature of the market means that exactly 1 participant has 100% perfect analytics and can rent-seek against the order book.
469  Bitcoin / Mining speculation / Re: Pricing of GHS and GHS Futures on: March 19, 2014, 07:48:03 PM
It directly moves the price itself in a way that no model can predict, it's not through a proxy like difficulty.
470  Bitcoin / Mining speculation / Re: Pricing of GHS and GHS Futures on: March 19, 2014, 07:13:47 PM
The ability of Cex themselves to arbitrarily issue new GH/s onto the market dwarfs the predictive value of any analysis whatsoever. These are not futures or derivatives, it's a rigged monopsony market.
471  Alternate cryptocurrencies / Altcoin Discussion / Re: NXT coin - A total scam? on: March 19, 2014, 07:43:28 AM
What really rubs my spidey sense the wrong way about NXT is that for a bit now there have been what appear to be paid advertising spots on Let's Talk Bitcoin that somewhat deceptively sound a bit like news reports and even tease the next advertisement by advising the audience to get more news tuning into the next Let's Talk Bitcoin broadcast.
472  Bitcoin / Mining / Re: Question about mining pools on: March 19, 2014, 07:33:55 AM
I'm going to assume that Active Active represents more like a load balancing multipool setting and Active Standby represents a failover strategy.

You absolutely want to at least have a backup pool setup. The larger pools rarely go down, but they do occasionally.

You don't make more revenue using multiple pools per se, but splitting hashing power between multiple pools can potentially reduce variance in your revs.
473  Bitcoin / Bitcoin Discussion / Re: Nonstop Negativity on: March 18, 2014, 04:59:46 AM
The mainstream media monologue has slowly been evolving from prattle about drugs, guns, human trafficking, Satanic ritual infant sacrifice, etc., toward prattle about sophomoric monetary theories (Bitcoin will never be a currency, apparently despite it already functioning as one), Bitcoin 2.0 vaporwave hype (hey guys, we just learned about Bitcoin 5 minutes ago, guess what, there's stuff that's gonna replace it you dumb nerds), and general FUD about things governments supposedly are thinking about doing and/or misrepresenting what they've actually done.

I'd call that progress, because the low-hanging fruit of OMGDRUGSBLACKSAREGOINGTORAPEYOURDAUGHTERS is severely diminished.
474  Bitcoin / Bitcoin Discussion / Re: Is Buffet right or wrong? on: March 17, 2014, 08:40:21 AM
The people who designed Bitcoin obviously knew that all those who are against central banking would create a ponzi speculation bubble and ignore the facts that the masses don't share their enthusiasm for killing fiat, central banking, theft protection, consumer protections, etc..

So you are talking about a ponzi scheme conspiracy to attack people that "are against central banking"? Like, "make all these "anti-central-banking-bastards" poor by letting them invest into a ponzi and then let the bubble pop"?
Who are these "pro-central-banking-conspirators?
What was the reason for them to start fighting against the "anti-central-banking-anarchos"? Were they aware of an underground community that was about to fight against central banking, so they must react to kind of a revolution?
When they created Bitcoin, they didnt think about, that the early miners and adaptors could most likely be the same people that they are fighting against?
Or is the plan even more advanced: "Let these anti-central banking-idiots first get rich with Bitcoin and THEN we destroy all the other people (late adaptors) that only were into "anti-central-banking" because we gave them the initial idea with our invention (Bitcoin Interception).

Does this really make any sense to you?

He hasn't the foggiest idea what he actually means, it's just a tour de force of FUD and conspiracy theories that you can't actually discuss in any meaningful way without getting verbally abused, and by that time he's already moved onto the next round of madman ramblings.
475  Bitcoin / Bitcoin Discussion / Re: Is Buffet right or wrong? on: March 17, 2014, 08:28:25 AM
I am done with you morons.

If only that turned out to be true!
476  Bitcoin / Bitcoin Discussion / Re: Nonstop Negativity on: March 16, 2014, 10:01:24 PM
The solution is to expose that it's governments that are manufacturing this negativity, not Bitcoin. Take MtGox for example, the only reason it maintained its market position is because governments are producing a chilling effect. A centralized Bitcoin exchange is a cash cow of epic proportions that everyone and their grandmother would ordinarily be stampeding to enter, but the prospect of having to plea against trumped up charges suddenly poisons the well.
477  Bitcoin / Bitcoin Discussion / Re: Is Buffet right or wrong? on: March 16, 2014, 09:57:23 PM
I'm not sure that anybody should take the opinion seriously of an inveterate establishment insider trader who is likely to pass away before any of these questions can be settled.
478  Economy / Trading Discussion / Re: Excited to see some new EASY trading BOTS on: March 16, 2014, 08:10:36 AM
The website for this product made me think I was having a stroke.

Also there are links selling 2 and 4 terrahash ASIC miners with photographs of what appears to be the case of a gaming PC.

Absolutely terrifying.
479  Bitcoin / Bitcoin Discussion / Re: Ingredients for the next price rally on: March 15, 2014, 06:46:56 AM
Price discovery on Bitcoin is still in its infancy because the chilling effects of milquetoast governments is preventing ordinary people from having convenient access to Bitcoin trading. Insane MSB regulations make startups in this space practically a non-starter in the United States.

It's plausible that things like the Secondmarket Dutch auction system will propel a new rally of pent-up interest and demand. The future is not MSB class startups, it's existing professional firms with all the necessary infrastructure in place deciding to incorporate Bitcoin into their operations / services.
480  Bitcoin / Bitcoin Discussion / Re: Is Bitcoin a distributed store of value or line of credit? on: March 15, 2014, 04:55:31 AM
Referring to it as a "line of credit" implies that the underlying value represents a loan, which is not factually accurate in any possible way.
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