Wait a minute, that's a fairly weak argument. What you're basically saying is "Well, the whole thing is broken anyhow, so us poor DTs are only trying to limp along with the best we have"?
Are you not strong enough to push for change? I brought up the account farming thread: " Account farming. Allowed?". theymos has not done anything regarding that. The only change he's done recently that's been somewhat beneficial is the change where emails can change passwords within two weeks. This actually makes it easier for account farmers but is a security benefit and can be a deterrent to people who are prospective account buyers.
The thread was big enough and rizzlarolla did enough work ( https://bitcointalk.org/index.php?topic=1670807.0) to probably be mod-worthy, if theymos decided upon it. Unfortunately, no change came from it. I'll agree with you that Theymos has not done enough. I'll also agree that there's no easy solution. But to have people running about exploiting the hell out of the trust system, most especially when nobody can call them out for racist, opinionated rubbish, is counter-productive. Do you want people here or not? |
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Did you lot miss the point???
Eliminating shitposts - yes! This is a good thing too. Trust rating SUCK for this. This is the job of the mods, and they should be banning left right and centre. Not enough mods? Get more. So let's sit around and let the forum spam a little more before we get more mods, right? Perhaps this is a strawman but you have to find some way of combatting spam. How long is it going to take for theymos to appoint new moderators? And how effective will they be? There are vast oceans of spam and certainly, that's a testament to how uninfluential moderation has been. This is certainly not the best of dealing with the situation but it's exacerbated to this level: you have to provide some deterrent to spamming. I mean, look at what happened in the past with account farming (i.e. rizzlarolla's thread). Where was the administrative concern? P.S. Nice multiple posting gaps and nice change of the quality of your posts. Could you make it more less obvious?  I actually disagree: from what I saw, the style of typing has been the same throughout the years. Some good posts, some bad posts. Wait a minute, that's a fairly weak argument. What you're basically saying is "Well, the whole thing is broken anyhow, so us poor DTs are only trying to limp along with the best we have"? Are you not strong enough to push for change? |
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P.S. Nice multiple posting gaps and nice change of the quality of your posts. Could you make it more less obvious? The Pharmacist - could you please tag this one as a shitposter? Clearly non-english speaking shitposter. /s Lauda, what in the wide wide world of sport is that ridiculous comment supposed to mean? You think you are seeing some amazing layer that only you are smart enough to see, and the rest of us are too unintelligent to get? I beg to fucking differ. This is shitposting at it's best. Let's discover: "Multiple posting gaps"....pfft, what kind of invented phrase is that tripe?. What the hell is a "posting gap". How are these "nice"? What, in short, the fuck are you talking about? "Nice change of the quality" - are you high? Read back, no inconsistencies there. I've looked and can see nothing but input....can you please show me the metric by which you judge the quality of this input, and the objective standard which validates it? No? I didn't think so. "Could you make it less obvious?"....what is obvious? WHAT is obvious? What's obvious to most of us at this point is that you and your fellow fools are in a desperate situation, and are rallying to recover what tiny amount of dignity is left. Keep it up. You're entertaining. As an old boss of mine used to say....Nonsense. Arrogant comments like this are what make you and your little circle of bullies pathetic. By all means trade words with me. I'm a native english speaker, and I'm not afraid of you. |
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He is Breaking the very rule theymos laid down regarding the Marketplace trust " Do not rate people based on the quality of their posts."
That is not a rule. So you are under the impression that it was a suggestion? Perhaps it was....but you lot are riding roughshod over it. Way to show respect. Wait....are the DT2s (lofty and all as you may be, praise, worship etc) interpreting this now? Did you lot miss the point??? Eliminating scammers - yes! This is a good thing. Trust rating are great for this. Eliminating shitposts - yes! This is a good thing too. Trust rating SUCK for this. This is the job of the mods, and they should be banning left right and centre. Not enough mods? Get more. Promoting crypto, and securing this forum's place as the premier place to be - this is the point. And you, and your crowd, are making it the unfriendliest place a newbie could ever go. I think that a new phrase needs to be coined for you and your cronies. How about "Crypto-Millionaire Arrogance" - "CMA"? Has a ring to it. I could have gone for "Crytpo Undid Nice Tendancies" on that one, and it'd have been deserved. |
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If you disagree with this statement, show me your "moderation" of the ANN board or the other scamfest areas.
So you don't like what I'm doing, but because I'm not over in the ANN board doing it, it's wrong. Mmm hm.
Mmm hm, indeed. You are able to pick on the weak ones, but not on the fucking scamfests brewing on various forums here? Yeah, you're a man. You're spouting liberal nonsense about racism here. Asian countries are very well represented here amongst the sig campaign shitposters. Do I have hard data on that? Absolutely not. Nor will I, nor do I need to. You're complaining about my wording, but most of the time I have no idea where a specific shitposter is from. That "3rd world" line is a copy/paste to save me time.
You can be offended if you like, but I'd rather be doing something about the shitposter problem instead of doing nothing.
You think racism is a "liberal" issue? You arrogant bastard. Do you even know what "3rd world" means? You're a trigger-happy hillbilly, and you KNOW you are. If you were so certain of your situation, you'd try this crap with the stronger ones, who'd call you out to prove it. And yet....you don't. Weak. If a better solution comes along, I will happily erase ALL of my feedbacks. I agree with everyone who's said this isn't a good solution, but I do think it's doing something positive for the forum--and this forum has gone to hell because of the shitposting.
You won't, because it'd mean admitting you're wrong. And you haven't the balls to do that. If the forum is in shit because of shitposting, moderate it and ban people. Theymos and the other bitcoin b/millionares have enough money to dole out a fraction of a BTC per month. And it's in their interests to do so.....unless it's a case of "you can't have some, cos we saw the pie first. Newbies not welcome.". Saying that people are untrustworthy, and tagging them in red because YOU feel their english is not good enough? Don't make me fucking laugh. Oh no, wait, you did already. You're abusing this. You know you are. But you're too weak to back down. Pfft. |
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What did you do to get negative trust. A lot of guys have been here for so many years and they are clean so they haven't got any banned or red trust. But why you alone got negative trust,it means you have bad intent.
I don't have negative trust. You could have checked that with a click. And you clearly didn't bother to read anything. Me alone? Are you on fucking CRACK? |
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I mind my own business.
But I feel someone needs to speak out against the blatant bullying that's going on.
Before you go attacking our community, maybe clarify your stance? You're right, it's the second one. I don't mind my own business. I don't engage in every conversation either though, and prefer to jump in (or start) the ones I feel matter. |
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I feel we won't find consensus in our opinions.
This is OK. That's what boards are for  I appreciate the way you argued rationally and calmly. Apologies for misunderstanding over the sig. |
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Can you please tell me what's wrong with Latvians? I am not Latvian, but I would like you to tell me why a Latvian person who doesn't speak very good English risks "feedback" (believe me I'm being fucking generous) from this racist?
There's nothing wrong with Latvians. This has very little to do with race or nationality and everything to do with post quality and, by extension, the quality of this forum. If you think I'm going to neg you for speaking out against me, you have absolutely the wrong idea about why I'm doing this. You think this is all about racism and it isn't. Who are you to judge post quality? What are the metrics you use? How are these validated? Who polices you? I'm all for getting rid of the shitposters, because oddly, I agree with your stance on that. But to put a comment in like "Typical Fillipino no-english shitposter".....what the hell are you playing at? Can you even count the number of slurs? Go back on your trust post history, be a grown up about it, and either edit or remove them. Stop bullying the newbies, you power-mad arrogant clown. If you disagree with this statement, show me your "moderation" of the ANN board or the other scamfest areas. |
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You sit there with your title of Legendary member - legendary for what? Posting shite for a long time?
And then you lie back and allow this forum to turn into a fucking despotic bro-fest?
That is exactly the problem. People think DT members are staff. We don't get paid. We are under no obligation to do your work. I am aware you're not staff. I am also aware you don't get paid..... ....well, except by benefiting from promoting discussing cryptocurrency, which is what this board was set up to do, right? I mean, had it remained unheard of, there'd be a few less arrogant millionaires here, hmm? The recent surge in popularity is going to bring new members. Many of them are going to be from countries that do not have English as their first language. And surprise, surprise, you do NOT have a child board for every language. NOR is it OK of you to expect people to not ask newbie questions until they "go learn english". And what work are you talking about? I am not trying to do work here? |
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Fun Fact for you, friend: This means that 20 out of 100 are tagged unfairly.  How did you get this number? "80 of them think the feedback isn't fair because they can't participate in signature campaigns anymore" ≠ 20 of them were unfairly tagged. There isn't even any logical sense in your statement. He's abusing it. And you only need to look at the top 20 topics on the Meta board to have proof. Selection bias. The loudest ones will complain. And they're usually shitposters. So where did the 80% number come from? No logical sense to that either. I have extrapolated shit from shit. Not hiding it. Go back to the source, though. Where do you get your "usually" from, by the way? It's your opinion? In that case, it's no more valid that my opinion that you're full of shit. |
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In recent days The Pharmacist is probably the most popular person on Bitcointalk  I see that you admit that your English aren't good enough. So, best thing that you can do - post in local board of your language. I looked at your post history and I can say that I saw many worse posters than you. Maybe try to improve your English before posting in the main boards. If you will improve quality of your posts, then you may try to contact Pharmacist and ask to remove that negative trust. And if there is no board for that language? |
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Why it's always about trust. Why do you (and almost every newbie) care about it so much? Do you plan to open business here? If so then red trust for bad english should not bother you as it has no impact at all.
Here's my stance on the subject.
I suspect the reason is red trust prevents users from selling their account or participating in sig. camps. ... which both are bad habits (out of control and ruining the forum). Personally would ban both if that would be possible. Unfortunately it's not thus community found it's own way how to clear the forum.
a) I don't give 2 shits about trust. I'll do my own thing, and you can tag me as you like. I rip off nobody, and I mind my own business. b) Appoint new moderators then. This forum is tackling this in the wrong way. FYI: Your english is not 100% perfect. Be careful of The Pharmacist! He's DT2, you know!!!! /s If you don't care then why are you complaining? I know my english is bad but I don't care about trust given for wrong spelling as long as there will be relevant comment why i was tagged. Mainly because I'm not interested in sig. camps./bounties and similar crap. For me it's important to avoid being tagged as scammer. Dude, you really need to read what I wrote. I, personally, don't care if The Pharmacist or any of DT1 or DT2 decide to take revenge on me (well, this account, not me lol) for my posts against this crap. But I feel someone needs to speak out against the blatant bullying that's going on. We'll end up with no new members, because it's too dangerous to come here and say "Hello, I'm new". This is not what the community is about. I added a "/s" tag to my comment about your English. I made a mistake here in not realising that this isn't universal - it means "sarcastic". Let me clarify what I meant. There's nothing wrong with your English - it's absolutely fine. But people whose English is as good as yours are being tagged as scammers by bullies who think that this is a good enough reason. And it is NOT. As you said, content is the important part. They are not reading that though. The Pharmacist is now power-mad, tagging because people don't speak as well as him (and he does not speak that well - check his post history). Also, why do you say you are not interested in sig campaigns when you have a gigantic sig? If it's your business, that's fine. But if it's not, I don't understand your comment. |
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He's abusing it. And you only need to look at the top 20 topics on the Meta board to have proof.
Who Am I to judge ?  This is exactly the problem. You sit there with your title of Legendary member - legendary for what? Posting shite for a long time? And then you lie back and allow this forum to turn into a fucking despotic bro-fest? Cretin. |
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Why it's always about trust. Why do you (and almost every newbie) care about it so much? Do you plan to open business here? If so then red trust for bad english should not bother you as it has no impact at all.
Here's my stance on the subject.
I suspect the reason is red trust prevents users from selling their account or participating in sig. camps. ... which both are bad habits (out of control and ruining the forum). Personally would ban both if that would be possible. Unfortunately it's not thus community found it's own way how to clear the forum.
a) I don't give 2 shits about trust. I'll do my own thing, and you can tag me as you like. I rip off nobody, and I mind my own business. b) Appoint new moderators then. This forum is tackling this in the wrong way. FYI: Your english is not 100% perfect. Be careful of The Pharmacist! He's DT2, you know!!!! /s |
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Fun Fact : Out of 100 people tagged by The Pharmacist,80 of them think the feedback isn't fair because they 'can't participate in signature campaigns anymore'. Honestly,if one is on the forum just to participate in the signature campaigns,they shouldn't be here.
I admit The Pharmacist is a bit harsh on them but everyone has their level of tolerance right ? Also majority of the feedback he had given was before getting added to the DT.Now if that feedback really bothered why didn't the spammers make a scene about him then ? Because they knew the untrusted feedback wouldn't stop them from participating in the signature campaigns.
Lately another account actmyname got added to the DT list who I believe is also involved in tagging such accounts.Meanwhile I truly support the 'fights against the spammers' but forming a group of DT accounts to attack particular 'type' of members is not encouraging.
Fun Fact for you, friend: This means that 20 out of 100 are tagged unfairly. I work in engineering and mathematical modelling, and I can tell you that a 20% fail rate is UNACCEPTABLE. He's abusing it. And you only need to look at the top 20 topics on the Meta board to have proof. |
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My question is simple: Is English required to participate in this community?
If the answer is yes, may I ask that all other language boards be closed down immediately. Also let me know, as I am not into that kind of closed-minded thinking. I'd prefer to get the fuck out of dodge before we have to validate with a picture of our KKK outfit. Obviously the answer is no, if this weren't true, then there wouldn't be other language boards. Is French required to participate on the French board? If you consider the answer to be yes, then that answers your question about the English boards. This reasoning is fine if you provide a language board for every language on earth. Can you please tell me what's wrong with Latvians? I am not Latvian, but I would like you to tell me why a Latvian person who doesn't speak very good English risks "feedback" (believe me I'm being fucking generous) from this racist? |
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Someone is given this ability to place the Red Mark of Plague (awaiting proof they don't internally call it this) on anyone they like, for any reason, UNPOLICED? Are you fucking NUTS?
Trust is not unpoliced. The Pharmacist is on DT2, so members on DT1 can choose to exclude him. They are: theymos (1) HostFat (1) dooglus (1) Maged (1) dserrano5 (1) OgNasty (1) Tomatocage (1) SaltySpitoon (1) philipma1957 (1) Cyrus (1) Blazed (1) hilariousandco (1) OldScammerTag (1) The Pharmacist currently has 1 point from Blazed. Other DT1 members can choose to exclude The Pharmacist, reducing his score by 1 point per exclusion. If his score falls below 0, he is no longer part of default trust. Counter ratings also exist. If DT2 member feel that another DT member's trust is bad, they can leave a counter rating: (taken from owlcatz's profile No one is forced to use DefaultTrust as well. Make your own trust list if you feel that DefaultTrust is bad, or just exclude The Pharmacist from your own trust list. What you've just posted is the definition of a small group who self-police. One guy posting a plus to counter a negative, based on one single opinion? So the total is zero? Ah, cmon. And it can only come from DT2 or DT1? Well, wait, where do the newbies come in? Who represents them? I'm not a communist saying everything should be shared. Neither am I a socialist saying the people who do the work should have the decision. But I am saying that you can't have this power-mad racist running around destroying the new members just because they don't speak English to his satisfaction. |
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Here you go. My stance on the subject. I don't claim to speak for you all, so you should post your own thoughts. Disagreement and discussion is welcome. Genuine shitposters: Sorry, you might not get much from it. https://bitcointalk.org/index.php?topic=2806313.new#newIt's not moderation or reasonable anymore, it's pure bullying now. Lovely, stinky, racist bullying. I'll get banned for fucking SURE, but I don't care. The fact that the biggest crypto forum in the world is the least welcoming and most unfriendly to newbies just grinds my gears. This, of course, run by the biggest stakeholders. Ridiculous. |
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