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241  Alternate cryptocurrencies / Announcements (Altcoins) / Re: [UNOFFICIAL] [VNL] Vanillacoin 0.4.0 RC1 | Instant ▱ Incentivized ▱ Innovative on: November 16, 2015, 02:11:32 PM
If you can push a coin down 5-10% with 0.2BTC sells then it's nothing but manipulation in a low liquidity market.

Who is the manipulator? The person selling, or the person not buying?

I'd say we have very weak buy side. If there were more than 100 btc, the price would be much higher.
242  Alternate cryptocurrencies / Announcements (Altcoins) / Re: [UNOFFICIAL] [VNL] Vanillacoin 0.4.0 RC1 | Instant ▱ Incentivized ▱ Innovative on: November 13, 2015, 09:19:50 AM
@John-Connor

Did guys from btc38 tell you when we can expect "The enter of dragon"?
243  Alternate cryptocurrencies / Announcements (Altcoins) / Re: [UNOFFICIAL] [VNL] Vanillacoin 0.4.0 RC1 | Instant ▱ Incentivized ▱ Innovative on: November 12, 2015, 10:29:35 PM
Looks like btc38 hype is over. We're comming back to 10-12k.
244  Alternate cryptocurrencies / Announcements (Altcoins) / Re: [UNOFFICIAL] VNL | Vanillacoin 0.3.9 | Node Incentives | ZeroTime | POW/POS on: November 12, 2015, 07:52:44 AM
VNL is to expensive for now when btc rise, might be back to 8k again

BTC most likely won't rise anytime soon.
BTC is going back to < 200 IMHO because that is where miner profit is and the Chinese Ponzi ended. Perhaps we will see mid 100's Q1 2016 again.

Thank you for your support.

I think you're wrong. If price felt to 200, there wouldn't be any winner of recent pump. It'll rise maybe above 400, and then if it break, back to 200, but if don't we have new bubble.

Why do you think it's all up to miners?

245  Alternate cryptocurrencies / Announcements (Altcoins) / Re: [UNOFFICIAL] VNL | Vanillacoin 0.3.9 | Node Incentives | ZeroTime | POW/POS on: November 11, 2015, 09:05:45 AM
This just made my day  Cheesy

Regards

Goldmaxx

Yeah I saw double ban on polo Tongue

 Cheesy Cheesy Cheesy
IMO we hit 20k today.
246  Alternate cryptocurrencies / Announcements (Altcoins) / Re: [UNOFFICIAL] VNL | Vanillacoin 0.3.9 | Node Incentives | ZeroTime | POW/POS on: November 11, 2015, 08:02:08 AM
This just made my day  Cheesy

Regards

Goldmaxx

Yeah I saw double ban on polo Tongue
247  Alternate cryptocurrencies / Announcements (Altcoins) / Re: [UNOFFICIAL] VNL | Vanillacoin 0.3.9 | Node Incentives | ZeroTime | POW/POS on: November 10, 2015, 05:48:32 PM

a dump now would be a sure disaster, as there is only 16btc in the buy orders. i currently have ~77btc worth on polo.

might be a better idea to suppress again and accumulate more, then release all suppression once it hits around 5k and ive collected another 500k, this method pays off best.

No one asked you about your coins, you did it on your own behalf. If you want to be taken seriosly in the future, you MUST prove it on the blockchain so we could move forward, otherwise you will be branded as a BS spreader and liar. I highly doubt you own that much VNL, but you act like a spoiled child anyway, such behavior is unworthy. Where is your cheerleading attitude?

bad time for alts altogether, but at least VNL is holding strong!
excellent work john connor, everyday your amazing us with your creativeness and innovation!

short term people want hype and flashy pictures, long term this the quality code and no hype approach will bring great success.

For a person with a big bag you strangely feel sad on the price increase.

If you still have any it will be a disaster, if you continue to hold and spit poison in the future, Dave. Dump it now and buy YOVI.

I'm a bigger VNL whale, so you better do what I said. Wink

        PS this is BS too, couldn't resist Grin




51k for sale at what price?
248  Alternate cryptocurrencies / Announcements (Altcoins) / Re: [UNOFFICIAL] VNL | Vanillacoin 0.3.9 | Node Incentives | ZeroTime | POW/POS on: November 07, 2015, 03:20:16 PM
I respect Johns privacy, but I disagree on the effect of doxing a REAL known talented dev.  I mean if John was the guy who invented Gnutella, Edonkey, Limewire, Napster, Bittorent, Peercoin, Bitcoin, etc., being able to advertise that would lend HUGE credibility to the project and trust from potential investors.
Justin Frankel and Tom Pepper invented Gnutella while working @ AOL (they bought winamp + shoutcast). AOL shutdown the project when they found out so they told AOL to go fsck themselves and abandoned Gnutella. The Gnutella protocol was reverse engineered within weeks and within a year there was upwards of 25 independent code bases. People did not copy/paste back then(like in crypto-currency), there was no such thing as clones in file sharing except those that disabled adware, etc. I personally know Bram Cohen and so no I did not invent BitTorrent either. I personally know Jed MccaLeb but no I did not invent Edonkey2000. Mr. King invented Peercoin. Sean invented Napster and I personally know the Macster team that later became part of core Napster in California. Limewire(NYC near ED2K) is JAVA so I did not invent it or have relations with their staff. I think I covered your list. The only ones I have not contributed to are Limewire and I've never submitted a pull request to Peercoin or Bitcoin. Cool

Thank you for your support.

Did you share with any of them, this what you're doing here?
249  Alternate cryptocurrencies / Announcements (Altcoins) / Re: [UNOFFICIAL] VNL | Vanillacoin 0.3.9 UPD! | Node Incentives | ZeroTime | POW/POS on: November 03, 2015, 05:52:48 PM
how is vnl at 9k what is even going on

It's above 10k. Do you expect it to stay relative as Bitcoin goes through 300? Of course not. The market is doing it's thing. It will be boring until BTC crashes, which should not be long off. People gotta cash out for the holidays to buy Lego Star Wars. Cool

Thank you for your support.

And if bitcoin goes to 600-800-1000 $
This is inconsistent with reality. Bitcoin is a miners market, meaning it is worth what it cost to mine. Periodically we have these pumps and always have. The miners are waiting to dump and when they do it's back to ~200 where electricity cost to bitcoin output ratio is normalised. I highly doubt BTC will be over 400 even in 365 days from now unless the mining hardware situation changes. Cool

Thank you for your support.

What now any prediction about btc price? Cheesy Cheesy Cheesy Cheesy Cheesy
250  Alternate cryptocurrencies / Announcements (Altcoins) / Re: ★★DigiByte|极特币★★[DGB]✔$250k Investment, DigiByte Gaming, #DigiByteTip, DigiSpeed on: November 02, 2015, 08:32:58 AM
I see the price rise but I don't understand why. Isn't DigiByte just essentially Myriad with an added premine and instamine? They've been talking about this DigiSpeed hard fork for months now, but still no deadline, only delays. And they haven't even explained how it is exactly that their new hard fork will solve the scalability issue of Bitcoin. How will they encourage enough nodes to store a full copy of the blockchain? Sounds like the coin will become massively bloated.

Regarding the premine. It has all been given away already waaaay back.

The DigiSpeed hardfork + the DigiByteMarket are both parts of it. Another factor, we need to take into account, is that DigiByte remained relatively unknown amongst the crypto community. Now that it has seen additional volume and shot up on the coinmarketcap, we get more potential investors. And if DigiSpeed succeeds in its premise, the price should skyrocket. No coin, to my knowledge, has achieved to match VISA TPS (Transactoins-Per-Second) before.
Bitshares has/aims for 100000 TPS

https://bitshares.org/blog/2015/06/08/measuring-performance/

Vanilla VNL has ZeroTime transaction (less than a second) and only 1 confirmation on poloniex.
251  Alternate cryptocurrencies / Announcements (Altcoins) / Re: ★★DigiByte|极特币★★[DGB]✔$250k Investment, DigiByte Gaming, #DigiByteTip, DigiSpeed on: November 01, 2015, 07:21:18 PM
any update regarding the fork any planned date set?

I'm new on this thread. What's all about this fork?

Hi dygus.  Welcome to the DGB discussion and community.

You could also look at the recent videos posted by Jared.  

Start here:  

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=s6SxmDmUvIk

And, then, an update:  

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=r4JFALjythE

For a general overview of DigiByte's core services you could look at the overview on the DigiByte Group's website here:

https://digibytegroup.com/learn-about-digibyte/

However, I know that that page needs a bit of updating to include some new information related to DigiByteGaming, the (soon-to-be-released) DigiByte Marketplace, and also some general updates about DigiSpeed.  I'll probably hold off fully updating the website until the release of DigiSpeed.  I've been working on a complete website update for the DGB Group.  I'm hoping to have it completed within the coming month.


TY for warm welcom
252  Alternate cryptocurrencies / Announcements (Altcoins) / Re: ★★DigiByte|极特币★★[DGB]✔$250k Investment, DigiByte Gaming, #DigiByteTip, DigiSpeed on: November 01, 2015, 04:18:33 PM
any update regarding the fork any planned date set?

I'm new on this thread. What's all about this fork?
253  Alternate cryptocurrencies / Announcements (Altcoins) / Re: [UNOFFICIAL] VNL | Vanillacoin 0.3.9 UPD! | Node Incentives | ZeroTime | POW/POS on: October 31, 2015, 01:54:55 PM
Nice to get some info on the mixer Wink I just meant CoinJoin wasn't so far used well, the basic implementation which people used lacked always something.
Yes, the example here https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/CoinJoin is flawed and like most implementations you can match inputs and outputs because the denominations differ. Cool

Any rough ETA you may want to give on the DarkPP release?
Dark++ is a framework, so it will come in stages.

Thank you for your support.

Ok, so when you can give us the nearest stage?
254  Alternate cryptocurrencies / Announcements (Altcoins) / Re: [UNOFFICIAL] VNL | Vanillacoin 0.3.9 UPD! | Node Incentives | ZeroTime | POW/POS on: October 30, 2015, 01:26:00 PM
how is vnl at 9k what is even going on

It's above 10k. Do you expect it to stay relative as Bitcoin goes through 300? Of course not. The market is doing it's thing. It will be boring until BTC crashes, which should not be long off. People gotta cash out for the holidays to buy Lego Star Wars. Cool

Thank you for your support.

And if bitcoin goes to 600-800-1000 $
This is inconsistent with reality. Bitcoin is a miners market, meaning it is worth what it cost to mine. Periodically we have these pumps and always have. The miners are waiting to dump and when they do it's back to ~200 where electricity cost to bitcoin output ratio is normalised. I highly doubt BTC will be over 400 even in 365 days from now unless the mining hardware situation changes. Cool

Thank you for your support.

Are you trying to tell us, that btc price depends only of miners? Don't make me laugh.

And about the price, why you said, that btc won't be over 400$. Look at btc volume in last seven days on bitcoinwisdom (nearly 8 milions).

Now it's a great opportunity for crypto, I hope you gonna start some promotion, otherwise supercode, ZT, node incentives and other extra features won't help.

 

Did you read my last comment? Just asking because you actually suggest again that promotion in itself will help in this market.

It's easy to skip facts and spam the same comment again, right?

Ofcourse it will help. Why other coins can go up? Compare digibyte and vnl websites (it's only example) I follow'em on twitter and I can see they have one main goal: MAKE THEIR COIN TO BE USEFULL IN REAL.
Promotion will bring us more and more community members what is necessary (I think it's most important).

Ok mate. Your single and only argument in the sentence is Digibyte which was just pumped 2 weeks ago after being down for months and it is already retracing.

Meanwhile my arguments were:

Quote
BTS at 1300 sats down from, what, 3-4k?

DASH at 720k down from a stable 1000k for a really long time

XMR at 130k down from a stable 240-260k

MAID 4800 from a stable 8000-12000

XRP 1400 down from 3-5k

STR 627 down from a long time stable 1000-1500

Storj 4575 down from 7000-1000

NXT 2440 down from 5000-6000

All of the above mentioned projects do marketing and all of them had higher volumes Daily/weekly/monthly than what DGB had. Your argument is invalid. DGB could only pump because there were months of heavy accumulation, people like you are blind thinking a project pumps because of some random spam on twitter.

DGB was only an example and all coins, mentioned above, did not fall 5 times like vnl did.
255  Alternate cryptocurrencies / Announcements (Altcoins) / Re: [UNOFFICIAL] VNL | Vanillacoin 0.3.9 UPD! | Node Incentives | ZeroTime | POW/POS on: October 30, 2015, 09:44:35 AM
The way I see it, PR and development should go hand in hand...
Unless your product is still in the development phase and isn't sold in stores yet, PR is a crucial factor for the future succes of your product.

IF VNL wasn't trading already on Poloniex and Trex, I could agree with the fact that PR should come later.
BUT, VNL is a product sold in stores, thus needs PR, even though it is still in the development phase.

VNL can be an awesome succes, but I think, as with all succesfull companies, VNL needs a PR department.
John is the most awesome developer out there, but the worst PR person I could think of.

The only way I can find a logic in that behaviour is to artificially keep the price down during develoment phase.
This could be a dangerous strategy though and it will be hard to change peoples perspective towards VNl in the future.

I'm not saying we should hype VNL to death, but some healthy, honest PR wouldn't do us wrong for sure...

Just my two cents...

Regards

Goldmaxx



+1

This is what we need constructive, honest conversation.
@traumschiff
You should stop freaking out when anyone is trying to say something or get an answer (except lies).
256  Alternate cryptocurrencies / Announcements (Altcoins) / Re: [UNOFFICIAL] VNL | Vanillacoin 0.3.9 UPD! | Node Incentives | ZeroTime | POW/POS on: October 30, 2015, 09:20:04 AM
how is vnl at 9k what is even going on

It's above 10k. Do you expect it to stay relative as Bitcoin goes through 300? Of course not. The market is doing it's thing. It will be boring until BTC crashes, which should not be long off. People gotta cash out for the holidays to buy Lego Star Wars. Cool

Thank you for your support.

And if bitcoin goes to 600-800-1000 $
This is inconsistent with reality. Bitcoin is a miners market, meaning it is worth what it cost to mine. Periodically we have these pumps and always have. The miners are waiting to dump and when they do it's back to ~200 where electricity cost to bitcoin output ratio is normalised. I highly doubt BTC will be over 400 even in 365 days from now unless the mining hardware situation changes. Cool

Thank you for your support.

Are you trying to tell us, that btc price depends only of miners? Don't make me laugh.

And about the price, why you said, that btc won't be over 400$. Look at btc volume in last seven days on bitcoinwisdom (nearly 8 milions).

Now it's a great opportunity for crypto, I hope you gonna start some promotion, otherwise supercode, ZT, node incentives and other extra features won't help.

 

Did you read my last comment? Just asking because you actually suggest again that promotion in itself will help in this market.

It's easy to skip facts and spam the same comment again, right?

Ofcourse it will help. Why other coins can go up? Compare digibyte and vnl websites (it's only example) I follow'em on twitter and I can see they have one main goal: MAKE THEIR COIN TO BE USEFULL IN REAL.
Promotion will bring us more and more community members what is necessary (I think it's most important).
257  Alternate cryptocurrencies / Announcements (Altcoins) / Re: [UNOFFICIAL] VNL | Vanillacoin 0.3.9 UPD! | Node Incentives | ZeroTime | POW/POS on: October 30, 2015, 08:50:06 AM
how is vnl at 9k what is even going on

It's above 10k. Do you expect it to stay relative as Bitcoin goes through 300? Of course not. The market is doing it's thing. It will be boring until BTC crashes, which should not be long off. People gotta cash out for the holidays to buy Lego Star Wars. Cool

Thank you for your support.

And if bitcoin goes to 600-800-1000 $
This is inconsistent with reality. Bitcoin is a miners market, meaning it is worth what it cost to mine. Periodically we have these pumps and always have. The miners are waiting to dump and when they do it's back to ~200 where electricity cost to bitcoin output ratio is normalised. I highly doubt BTC will be over 400 even in 365 days from now unless the mining hardware situation changes. Cool

Thank you for your support.

Are you trying to tell us, that btc price depends only of miners? Don't make me laugh.

And about the price, why you said, that btc won't be over 400$. Look at btc volume in last seven days on bitcoinwisdom (nearly 8 milions).

Now it's a great opportunity for crypto, I hope you gonna start some promotion, otherwise supercode, ZT, node incentives and other extra features won't help.

 
258  Alternate cryptocurrencies / Announcements (Altcoins) / Re: [UNOFFICIAL] VNL | Vanillacoin 0.3.9 UPD! | Node Incentives | ZeroTime | POW/POS on: October 29, 2015, 03:09:05 PM
VNL is the first coin that I advocate buying it as the price falls...

Normally price drops like this happen after huge news that has no follow up.

VNL, on the other hand only has low buyer support.

There does not seem to be any risk in project abandonment.
And the tech is better than any other coin.

I have never been this optomistic while watching prices drop.

If it so good, so why the fuck price is so low and please don't tell me it's because of btc rise. Soon we gonna droop on second hundred on coinmarketcap.
259  Alternate cryptocurrencies / Announcements (Altcoins) / Re: [UNOFFICIAL] VNL | Vanillacoin 0.3.8 UPD! | Node Incentives | ZeroTime | POW/POS on: October 28, 2015, 01:42:50 PM
If you'd like to have bigger community, you have to stop telling shits like "have faith" or "if you don't like it dump it".

You are just pissed that you lost money. Welcome in the crypto world, son. If there is someone who gained some profit, then there is also someone who lost his money. And if you are a daytrader, you also did a bad job.

if you still have VNL, then have faith. if you sold them, then yes, you lost your money. Get over it.

You said, that you quit the discussion.

Have a nice day.  "mlm"
260  Alternate cryptocurrencies / Announcements (Altcoins) / Re: [UNOFFICIAL] VNL | Vanillacoin 0.3.8 UPD! | Node Incentives | ZeroTime | POW/POS on: October 28, 2015, 01:38:58 PM
Thats part of the game...if you were in it since 2012 you should know thats the game. Cyprus crisis also people bought BTC at 300USD and after that it crashed also. You lose some, and you win some.

JC always told he wants to build a solid ground for VNL without really advertising the coin. You can't blame him for this crap. Blame the pump and dump whores who made you hungry to play their game. You got trapped in their lies and now you want to blame JC for it?

Better do your homework instead of jumping right in. If you did your homework you should have known that the last pump was because of ZT.

And let me give you a last tip: buy on rumor, sell on news. Do not forget that!

WTF are you talking about. Where did I blame JC, you idiot? And please don't compare bitcoin to vnl. Even during the Cyprus crisis btc dropped to about 100$ (not like vnl from 50k+ to 10K-) and the most important - btc was usefull in real life at that time.

Stop telling about faith, because it has nothing to do with crypto.

BTC dropped from 1200$ to 180$ which can be considered far worse. Also VNL never had the volume or floor to back up 50k, that was a really short low volume spike. Rather say from 30-40k to 10k if you wish to make a proper comparison.

Yes, it's true but at first you should tell why btc rised (China started to accept btc) and why dumped (China ban btc, mtgox, mintpal and few other exchanges have stolen ppl btc, drk and other).
VNL has it own unique code, ZT, etc. and that why it rised, but there wasn't any reason to dump so low.

If you'd like to have bigger community, you have to stop telling shits like "have faith" or "if you don't like it dump it".



My problem is the short sight of the people, everyone should understand that we are not going to pump in another few months and John is capable of releasing another few innovative features meanwhile. No point in demanding or being negative prior to that, no one told these people that they will get rich instantly. I'm not asking for faith, I'm asking people to open their eyes. If this doesn't work out sooner or later you can just leave altcoins alltogether because it will be pointless to invest into anything.

This is a long term investment and John isn't going anywhere from the looks of it.

I don't think anyone here wants JC to pump the price, but if they bought, not at the top, but at 20-30k and now if they'd like to sell, they had to dump below 10k. IMO they can feel pissed, because they didn't buy btc scam clone with stupid idea.

I don't know ho dumped so low, but I'm sure, not those who bought higher.
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