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Author Topic: [UNOFFICIAL] [VNL] Vanillacoin 0.4.1 | Instant ▱ Incentivized ▱ Innovative  (Read 433436 times)
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November 16, 2015, 02:11:32 PM
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If you can push a coin down 5-10% with 0.2BTC sells then it's nothing but manipulation in a low liquidity market.

Who is the manipulator? The person selling, or the person not buying?

I'd say we have very weak buy side. If there were more than 100 btc, the price would be much higher.

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November 16, 2015, 02:14:38 PM
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If you can push a coin down 5-10% with 0.2BTC sells then it's nothing but manipulation in a low liquidity market.

Who is the manipulator? The person selling, or the person not buying?

I'd say we have very weak buy side. If there were more than 100 btc, the price would be much higher.

Someone can create a 100 BTC buy order at 1 satoshi. Will that affect the price?
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November 16, 2015, 02:55:42 PM
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If you can push a coin down 5-10% with 0.2BTC sells then it's nothing but manipulation in a low liquidity market.

Who is the manipulator? The person selling, or the person not buying?

I'd say we have very weak buy side. If there were more than 100 btc, the price would be much higher.

Someone can create a 100 BTC buy order at 1 satoshi. Will that affect the price?

I'm not talking about fake orders. Do you think if there will be 25 btc between 10-12k sats ppl would be willing to sell.

Holders are aware of the fact, that inspite of high tech development of vnl, the price is lower than a common scam coin and the buy support is on very low level.

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November 17, 2015, 03:34:30 AM
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hi john, whenever your run a super-peer, is the wallet address with the collateral balance correlatable with the ip address of the server?
Do you mean an incentivised node and not a super peer? They are not one in the same. Cool

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November 17, 2015, 03:35:36 AM
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If you can push a coin down 5-10% with 0.2BTC sells then it's nothing but manipulation in a low liquidity market.

Who is the manipulator? The person selling, or the person not buying?
You cannot sell without a buyer. Cool

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November 17, 2015, 03:51:55 AM
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Someone can create a 100 BTC buy order at 1 satoshi. Will that affect the price?
No, this is tried on every market on every exchange. You must place it at a specific position relative to bid. On the flip side if you try to accumulate any decent amount of coins the price will skyrocket. This low liquidity market is 90% manipulators, including many of the supporters you are talking to here in this thread. Then you have XMR, which will manipulate VNL downward if it has too much volume. I saw 20 BTC suppression order get pulled last month and one minute later 20 BTC buy occured on XMR market(impossible odds). If you watch close enough you can see it all. Cool

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November 17, 2015, 07:12:39 AM
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This thread information needs to be updated. We hit 1/4 million blocks a while ago. Cool

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November 17, 2015, 09:02:27 AM
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This thread information needs to be updated. We hit 1/4 million blocks a while ago. Cool

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Updated, will rework most things soon, but my internet provider is failing me hard since a week and I also have loads of IRL projects going which will end in around a week Smiley

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November 17, 2015, 12:12:24 PM
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hi john, whenever your run a super-peer, is the wallet address with the collateral balance correlatable with the ip address of the server?
Do you mean an incentivised node and not a super peer? They are not one in the same. Cool

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either one of the two.
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November 17, 2015, 12:16:01 PM
Last edit: November 17, 2015, 01:13:29 PM by groggin
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hi john, whenever your run a super-peer, is the wallet address with the collateral balance correlatable with the ip address of the server?
Do you mean an incentivised node and not a super peer? They are not one in the same. Cool

Thank you for your support.

either one of the two.

fwiw, VNL encrypts output, and no one knows which port it's using on your device

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November 17, 2015, 12:47:14 PM
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This coin seems to be very interesting. I was also able to install the wallet. Nice, will invest something here.

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November 17, 2015, 06:15:09 PM
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Someone can create a 100 BTC buy order at 1 satoshi. Will that affect the price?
No, this is tried on every market on every exchange. You must place it at a specific position relative to bid. On the flip side if you try to accumulate any decent amount of coins the price will skyrocket. This low liquidity market is 90% manipulators, including many of the supporters you are talking to here in this thread. Then you have XMR, which will manipulate VNL downward if it has too much volume. I saw 20 BTC suppression order get pulled last month and one minute later 20 BTC buy occured on XMR market(impossible odds). If you watch close enough you can see it all. Cool

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imho, the problem is that for months there is a "war" between miners and investors.
Investors begin to make the price rise and the miners dump on us.
Once you said that the value of btc is around $200 which is the cost of mining.
What is the cost to the miners of VNL profiting?
For now still being created a lot of coins a day (it would be nice if there was a way to reduce it).
I believe that only when this number is reduced dramatically is that VNL will fly like a rocket.
Then surely we will see six digits, maybe seven.
For now I'll accumulating
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November 17, 2015, 06:40:24 PM
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Someone can create a 100 BTC buy order at 1 satoshi. Will that affect the price?
No, this is tried on every market on every exchange. You must place it at a specific position relative to bid. On the flip side if you try to accumulate any decent amount of coins the price will skyrocket. This low liquidity market is 90% manipulators, including many of the supporters you are talking to here in this thread. Then you have XMR, which will manipulate VNL downward if it has too much volume. I saw 20 BTC suppression order get pulled last month and one minute later 20 BTC buy occured on XMR market(impossible odds). If you watch close enough you can see it all. Cool

Thank you for your support.

imho, the problem is that for months there is a "war" between miners and investors.
Investors begin to make the price rise and the miners dump on us.
Once you said that the value of btc is around $200 which is the cost of mining.
What is the cost to the miners of VNL profiting?
For now still being created a lot of coins a day (it would be nice if there was a way to reduce it).
I believe that only when this number is reduced dramatically is that VNL will fly like a rocket.
Then surely we will see six digits, maybe seven.
For now I'll accumulating

ya there's a war, but miners are investors too.
why would miners 'dump' at the current prices? is this serious?

i don't think there are large # of fpga rigs out there, a dozen or 2 maybe,  (guessing) and maybe with their higher efficiency, those using them can sell profitably, but gpu miners are most likely holding, as the equation is not profitable. i run one r9-280x, gets me 10 vnl/day, or $0.3770928. with electricity at ~$0.20/kwh, it's at least $0.50/day + internet to keep the software running

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Someone can create a 100 BTC buy order at 1 satoshi. Will that affect the price?
No, this is tried on every market on every exchange. You must place it at a specific position relative to bid. On the flip side if you try to accumulate any decent amount of coins the price will skyrocket. This low liquidity market is 90% manipulators, including many of the supporters you are talking to here in this thread. Then you have XMR, which will manipulate VNL downward if it has too much volume. I saw 20 BTC suppression order get pulled last month and one minute later 20 BTC buy occured on XMR market(impossible odds). If you watch close enough you can see it all. Cool

Thank you for your support.

imho, the problem is that for months there is a "war" between miners and investors.
Investors begin to make the price rise and the miners dump on us.
Once you said that the value of btc is around $200 which is the cost of mining.
What is the cost to the miners of VNL profiting?
For now still being created a lot of coins a day (it would be nice if there was a way to reduce it).
I believe that only when this number is reduced dramatically is that VNL will fly like a rocket.
Then surely we will see six digits, maybe seven.
For now I'll accumulating

ya there's a war, but miners are investors too.
why would miners 'dump' at the current prices? is this serious?

i don't think there are large # of fpga rigs out there, a dozen or 2 maybe,  (guessing) and maybe with their higher efficiency, those using them can sell profitably, but gpu miners are most likely holding, as the equation is not profitable. i run one r9-280x, gets me 10 vnl/day, or $0.3770928. with electricity at ~$0.20/kwh, it's at least $0.50/day + internet to keep the software running

Miners may be using private miners with much higher hashrate and cheaper or even free electricity. In this case it is profitable. I doubt that big farm owners will hold any coins - the risks are too high.

It's not a war, it's a normal altcoin market scenario after/between pumps. Also the recent BTC rally played its role.
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November 18, 2015, 06:27:01 AM
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either one of the two.
If you understand the code well enough you could possibly write something to output ip and public key of a incentivised node by building a network crawler although it would have to obey the consensus rules (purchase 10000 VNL) to do so. This only applies to incentivised nodes and people that are supporting the network in this way understand this transparency is unavoidable since Proof-of-Collateral is required.

Not to bash Dash but they claim they are for privacy and anonymity yet publicly list ip, port, wallet address, last payment, etc on their website for about 3.5 million dollars (as of this posting). Even if they did not do this Dash has no encryption on it's connections so anybody ISP, Gov, Phone Company, Satellite, etc can just sniff this off the wire and find out which persons own how much of the 3.5 million dollars.

You can smell Vanilla but not sniff it. Cool

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November 18, 2015, 06:46:31 AM
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For now still being created a lot of coins a day (it would be nice if there was a way to reduce it).
It is reduced every 50K blocks. I don't see a problem but I do know that time is in favor of the strong hands. Cool

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November 18, 2015, 06:52:39 AM
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Miners may be using private miners with much higher hashrate and cheaper or even free electricity.

Sorry, the whirlpool xor algorithm is maxed out (optimisation-wise) on public GPU and FPGA implementations. The only way to hash faster is to build an ASIC device. I still have never met anybody with "free" electricity, they either pay for it or steal it. Cool

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November 18, 2015, 07:28:52 AM
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Nice article: https://t.co/Smgsfc9JJ6.


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November 18, 2015, 09:22:58 AM
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Good article and on-point with the positive aspects of VNL Smiley

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November 18, 2015, 10:03:57 AM
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86%, not bad. If bitcoin proved anything, internet currency is useful and people are using it. VNL is quite possibly the best internet e-cash.  Smiley

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