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1061  Alternate cryptocurrencies / Announcements (Altcoins) / Re: ☷ [ANN] ☷ [MODERATED] ☷ CLSTR ☷ ClusterCoin ☷ the Future of Money ☷ on: August 23, 2014, 11:07:27 PM
Dev there are only 2 reasons for the current situation and I would like your thoughts on it .

1. Market being manipulated to get people to sell cheap then pumped and dumped. So this is a dump pump dump.

2. You purchased ICO coins to drum up interest. You would invest your own BTC for coins which you would get anyway at the end but you also could dump the extra coins for additional BTC. You would dump at any price because it is all gravy.

Thoughs?

I did not buy any CLSTR.
I seriously don't understand why would anybody buy coins for 10k to sell em for 5k in an hour. It doesn't make any sence to me.. ClusterCoin white paper and road  map were published before ICO even started. And I didn't change em since I first announced ClusterCoin Project here.

As for the project - we will never abandon it. Me and my buddies here who's developing ClusterCoin decided to quit our good paying jobs at Misys to dedicate ourselves to this project as we truly believe in it. ClusterCoin is the next step in crypto. At least its what I think about it

This is the answer i like.

Now i think if you had started with responding to some the the legit questions, normal ICO buyers would have helped out with the FUD. But you decided to distance yourself whereas you could have reassured us. Anyways there isnt much you can do about this now.

Moving forward i think more communication about what you are doing currently for the development and being more active on the thread will help out the coin greatly.

As you have stated a few times there are 4 devs, what are their BTT handles and if they dont have one why not?

Additionally would you be willing to say get 100BTC from Bittrex in a day then have the 250BTC wait till the first test is done on the 9th of Sep? Im sure Bittrex would allow it if you asked. By doing this you will instill trust and restore our confidence in the coin thus moving the price back to hopefully 10k sats and fuck over the manipulators?
1062  Alternate cryptocurrencies / Announcements (Altcoins) / Re: ☷ [ANN] ☷ [MODERATED] ☷ CLSTR ☷ ClusterCoin ☷ the Future of Money ☷ on: August 23, 2014, 09:21:14 PM
Dev there are only 2 reasons for the current situation and I would like your thoughts on it .

1. Market being manipulated to get people to sell cheap then pumped and dumped. So this is a dump pump dump.

2. You purchased ICO coins to drum up interest. You would invest your own BTC for coins which you would get anyway at the end but you also could dump the extra coins for additional BTC. You would dump at any price because it is all gravy.

Thoughs?
1063  Alternate cryptocurrencies / Announcements (Altcoins) / Re: [EQX][ICO STAGE 1] EquinoxManagement [FREE COINS for Signature!] on: August 23, 2014, 02:07:24 PM
Hello Dev,

Can you please ask previous escrow to refund the BTC to the address i sent it from? Should be 0.63BTC
1064  Alternate cryptocurrencies / Announcements (Altcoins) / Re: [ANN] ★LiteBar★ [LTB] - Rare Coin - Growing Fast - Now on CRYPTSY! on: August 23, 2014, 01:53:25 PM
Nevermind finally found a node and syncing Smiley
1065  Alternate cryptocurrencies / Announcements (Altcoins) / Re: [ANN] ★LiteBar★ [LTB] - Rare Coin - Growing Fast - Now on CRYPTSY! on: August 23, 2014, 01:44:24 PM
I havent opened my wallet for a few months. Is there any nodes? Can anyone sync?
1066  Alternate cryptocurrencies / Announcements (Altcoins) / Re: [ANN] [INT] IntelliCoin | 2 WEEKS POW! | IntelliApp | InSign on: August 23, 2014, 09:14:46 AM
Anyone else have issues staking? I have a weight of 33000 or something with the normal weight of network at 4000 or so.
1067  Alternate cryptocurrencies / Announcements (Altcoins) / Re: ☷[ANN]☷BITTREX ICO☷ CLSTR ☷ ClusterCoin ☷ the Future of Money ☷ SOLD OUT! on: August 23, 2014, 05:02:43 AM
bittrex has made it clear that they are not refunding the coins from what i understand... they keep implying that cluster met all the requirements unless i misunderstood ... so i wouldn't count on that, i personally don't have any but its a shame and just simply wrong and weird and makes zero sense to be calling this a panic sell ,it started as soon as the market opened .. this looks very fishy and very easy to blame on how people play the market... so i don't see how anyone gets out of this a winner ... (i consider just getting your investment back a winner)

anyhow things like this makes crypto look really bad , good luck everyone really hope this works out somehow Smiley

agree, free market or not this thing is so strange...


What people don't understand this is not a free market. It is being manipulated and Bittrex is complacent in it.
1068  Alternate cryptocurrencies / Announcements (Altcoins) / Re: ☷[ANN]☷BITTREX ICO☷ CLSTR ☷ ClusterCoin ☷ the Future of Money ☷ SOLD OUT! on: August 23, 2014, 05:01:49 AM
Guys, please take action to protect your investment.

Submit a request to Bittrex

https://bittrex.zendesk.com/hc/en-us/requests/new


I have submitted the form  asking them to extend the escrow till the 9th and then we should know if ot is a scam or not.
1069  Alternate cryptocurrencies / Announcements (Altcoins) / Re: ☷[ANN]☷BITTREX ICO☷ CLSTR ☷ ClusterCoin ☷ the Future of Money ☷ SOLD OUT! on: August 23, 2014, 03:22:03 AM
People trying to turn this from Cluster coin to Bittrex coin. Should bittrex just take over the coin and hire new devs. You guys so demanding.

The terms have been set. We agreed to them by buying in. Devs going to do what is required to get the BTC then continue development.



Agreed. And if people start to complain to Bittrex you can kiss any exchange doing any form of escrow.

They profit from listing a ICO and they profit from the trading. They can clearly see manipulation going on and they stand by and watch it happen. No sane person would buy a coin for 10k then sell it for 4k.

We are not asking them to do anything apart from looking into a way to protect investors which are clearly been taken advantaged of. All we are asking is to hold it till the dev proves it is not a scam.

I just do not think it is bittrex job to protect us from losing money. Sane people would not buy an ICO and sell within a day for a loss but a lot of people that trade are not sane. They trade on emotion and not logic which creates situations like this. As long as the developer meets their contractual obligation there is nothing bittrex can do. Or they will be held liable if they breached the contract they have with the developer. Now I have been pretty busy today and have not seen what is going on with the developer that has people talking about refunds or bittrex to change their terms. Just saying it as a generalization that people that buy into ICO can not expect refunds unless there is some really shady stuff going on.

The dev hasnt addressed a single concern. He just posts when items that are needed for the terms to be fulfilled. Iys easy to see that he is excited about meeting the terms but not much else. This prick will run with 350 btc and we'll all be fucked... again. I'm not trying to fud, I'm commenting on what the devs behaviour since 'sold out.'
Bittrex will get a black eye from this as well. I'm out of there if they don't mitigate some of the damage if this is a pure con.

What concerns has he not addressed? The concerns that the price are lower than the ICO value? Wtf is he supposed to say or do about that? Some of you traders must be over-privileged preteens or something. "Daaaadddy, daaaadddy I lost all my money on the internet can I have 20 dollars!?"

See this response from the dev regarding your concerns?

I guess dev is trying to figure out what he will spend the 350 BTC on instead of helping to slow/stop the manipulation of his coin....



What do you suggest? I mean there is not much I can do with FUD at this point. Regarding all the panic and fear - investors are free to do whatever they want with CLSTR - even dump it with 40% loss. Neither me nor Bittrex is involved in trades.

Also It is not very good for dev to comment on trades, so from now on I wont reply to anything related to the trades.

It is exactly what he should say. He is not responsible for the idiotic and irrational behavior of irrational idiotic traders.


Only outstanding concern I see that needs to be addressed further at this time is if and when the proof-of-developement will happen.

I never said he had to do anything. He should be writing about what he can do to restore investor confidence. The fact that he has taken this do whatever the fuck you like stance means he is in it for the money.

If he was genuine he could request for bittrex to hold the money till the fist successful test of his coin. This will stop the fud and the manipulators.  
1070  Alternate cryptocurrencies / Announcements (Altcoins) / Re: ☷[ANN]☷BITTREX ICO☷ CLSTR ☷ ClusterCoin ☷ the Future of Money ☷ SOLD OUT! on: August 23, 2014, 02:07:15 AM
People trying to turn this from Cluster coin to Bittrex coin. Should bittrex just take over the coin and hire new devs. You guys so demanding.

The terms have been set. We agreed to them by buying in. Devs going to do what is required to get the BTC then continue development.



Agreed. And if people start to complain to Bittrex you can kiss any exchange doing any form of escrow.

They profit from listing a ICO and they profit from the trading. They can clearly see manipulation going on and they stand by and watch it happen. No sane person would buy a coin for 10k then sell it for 4k.

We are not asking them to do anything apart from looking into a way to protect investors which are clearly been taken advantaged of. All we are asking is to hold it till the dev proves it is not a scam.
1071  Alternate cryptocurrencies / Announcements (Altcoins) / Re: [Pre-ANN][GreenBacks] $ GreenBacks $ ~ A Complete Currency & Infrastructure ~ on: August 23, 2014, 12:51:36 AM
please exclude anyone that sent after the close. this is not fair for us initial investors.
1072  Alternate cryptocurrencies / Announcements (Altcoins) / Re: [Pre-ANN][GreenBacks] $ GreenBacks $ ~ A Complete Currency & Infrastructure ~ on: August 23, 2014, 12:20:33 AM
Closed is closed. Dev has been updating with the countdown through out the thread and it had a countdown clock...

Dev anyone could claim that right now to invest, dont go against the investors that could read/follow the countdown.
1073  Alternate cryptocurrencies / Announcements (Altcoins) / Re: ☷[ANN]☷BITTREX ICO☷ CLSTR ☷ ClusterCoin ☷ the Future of Money ☷ SOLD OUT! on: August 22, 2014, 11:41:32 PM
Actually if Dev is honest and not a money hungry scammer, he would request Bittrex to wait till he does the first test to get the BTC.
Exactly

This would restore investor confidence and kill the fudding.
1074  Alternate cryptocurrencies / Announcements (Altcoins) / Re: ☷[ANN]☷BITTREX ICO☷ CLSTR ☷ ClusterCoin ☷ the Future of Money ☷ SOLD OUT! on: August 22, 2014, 11:31:24 PM
Price rising! Holders raise your buy orders!

Less than 1 BTC worth of buy order...it is a small bump...
1075  Alternate cryptocurrencies / Announcements (Altcoins) / Re: ☷[ANN]☷BITTREX ICO☷ CLSTR ☷ ClusterCoin ☷ the Future of Money ☷ SOLD OUT! on: August 22, 2014, 11:28:11 PM
Actually if Dev is honest and not a money hungry scammer, he would request Bittrex to wait till he does the first test to get the BTC.
1076  Alternate cryptocurrencies / Announcements (Altcoins) / Re: ☷[ANN]☷BITTREX ICO☷ CLSTR ☷ ClusterCoin ☷ the Future of Money ☷ SOLD OUT! on: August 22, 2014, 11:24:05 PM
I dont think at this point Bittrex would do a refund. But we may be able to ask them to extend the escrow till the 1st verifiable "test" is in about 3 weeks.

If dev delivers this, then it is not a scam, if they cant it is a scam and refund everyone.
1077  Alternate cryptocurrencies / Announcements (Altcoins) / Re: ☷[ANN]☷BITTREX ICO☷ CLSTR ☷ ClusterCoin ☷ the Future of Money ☷ SOLD OUT! on: August 22, 2014, 10:49:30 PM
I think if this turns out to be a scam Bittrex is complacent in it .

Dev will now sit on his aas till he gets the btc, then he will have 2-3 weeks of stalling to run with the money.
1078  Alternate cryptocurrencies / Announcements (Altcoins) / Re: [EQX][ICO STAGE 1] EquinoxManagement [FREE COINS for Signature!] on: August 22, 2014, 10:20:42 PM
When I invested ICO was up to 4 BTC. Now it is 6.5BTC.

Changing escrow still does not answer this question?
1079  Alternate cryptocurrencies / Announcements (Altcoins) / Re: [PRE-ANN] EquinoxManagement | IPO STAGE 1 | ESCROW | FREE COINS! on: August 22, 2014, 01:00:17 PM
WTF happened?

Why has the IPO changed and where is my investment from yesterday?
1080  Alternate cryptocurrencies / Announcements (Altcoins) / Re: ☷[ANN]☷BITTREX ICO☷ CLSTR ☷ ClusterCoin ☷ the Future of Money ☷ SOLD OUT! on: August 22, 2014, 12:53:56 PM
Down to 4k sats. Fucking 60% loss in the first 12 hours after ICO ....

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