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1  Economy / Reputation / Re: Would you tag these users? on: January 14, 2024, 03:36:52 PM
If borovichok really lent his account to someone to shitpost, a negative trust is completely valid. Accounts changing hands and getting a tag is where DT has shown to be reliable to shut down any potential abuse. At least OP has now 3 neutral trusts and sig managers will be more careful to hire borovichok.
2  Other / Meta / Re: Second chances on: January 11, 2024, 11:37:59 PM
We can just abolish any so-called "ban evading" rule because it's useless in any case.

I disagree. I believe that those who commit plagiarism, perhaps unintentionally or unknowingly, deserve a second chance to redeem themselves.
My suggestion was including a second chance: just create new account.
Of course, old account getting trashed as punishment for plagiarism needs to be accepted.

But from a new account, everyone could have a second chance.
3  Economy / Speculation / Re: Wall Observer BTC/USD - Bitcoin price movement tracking & discussion on: January 11, 2024, 01:13:44 AM
I wonder if the SEC can use (technical) reasons to block ETFs based on other chains and to potentially kick those in the long grass for a far longer period of time.

Most shitcoins are nowhere near as decentralised as BTC (or completely not) and there often doesn't even seem to be an issue cap built in the currency or it is completely vague (exactly like with Eth).
BINGO, you've just uncovered that there's Bitcoin and then, there's Shitcoin.
4  Other / Meta / Re: Request: Delete my account on: January 11, 2024, 12:24:45 AM
You have deleted 6 of my posts and 1 thread.
Next time, read Bitcointalk rules and write your posts accordingly. Spam or rule violation is not wanted on Bitcointalk.

If you feel traded unfairly, create an appeal and present your case.
5  Other / Meta / Re: Second chances on: January 11, 2024, 12:23:11 AM
We can just abolish any so-called "ban evading" rule because it's useless in any case.

A spammer or scammer will not care for it but members trying to improve after getting banned, honest from a new account will be targeted.
Plagiarism should simply result in a ban - no discussion. Plagiarism is serious violation.
Accounts engaging in plagiarism need to be trashed.

But after plagiarizer accounts are trashed, a new chance should be given by starting a new account.

We do not nee any strange so-called "ban evading" rule.
6  Other / Beginners & Help / Re: Safety first before accumulation, a lesson I learnt the hard way on: January 10, 2024, 01:15:07 AM
Very sad to hear.  Cry
300$ is very high amound because right now, it might be even more.

I hope it won't happen to you again and I wish you always a safe storing of coins. Hack is always dangerous and when we rely on an insecure application.
Technology might make progress in technology as well.  Smiley
7  Other / Beginners & Help / Re: Does inactive users deserve merits? on: January 10, 2024, 12:52:44 AM
It is allowed but not recommended because Merit spend at such account will not be available for re-distribution.
One more point: old and inactive accounts don't have any profit from higher rank.
8  Economy / Reputation / Re: Anyone got banned yet because of changed Mixer rules? on: January 05, 2024, 11:47:47 PM
Is the object of your question aimed at high ranking members who usually use campaign attributes? I'm sure so far they've accepted the new rules, and nothing has been banned so far
Any actions like ban related to new Mixer rules. Not sure because I did not hear about any known incident.
9  Economy / Reputation / Anyone got banned yet because of changed Mixer rules? on: January 05, 2024, 11:26:59 PM
Any known incidents, where someone got banned because of changed Mixer rules?

It's almost a week now.
10  Economy / Reputation / Re: People on this site are questioning my education because they are stupid. on: January 04, 2024, 08:10:11 PM
You are all starting to piss me off.
Okay, if it's pissing you off, maybe it's an idea for you to consider leaving Bitcointalk?
11  Economy / Reputation / Re: Symmetrick/Ratimov - Memorial Thread. on: December 28, 2023, 11:59:36 PM
@Ratimov being online, is he actually seeing this?
Ratimov does not exist anymore, it's Symmetrick now.  Cheesy

What's his goal, when he announced Ratimov account is dead but now, he's also active meanwhile? It's really strange.


Does he want to be cheered?

Ratimov is dead, long live Symmetrick!
12  Other / Meta / Re: [Voting 2023] Bitcointalk Community Awards 🏆 on: December 28, 2023, 11:51:14 PM
Topic here is only for voting submissions.

For any discussions, plz go here: [Discussion] Bitcointalk Community Awards

For the most part, this thread is for voting, to facilitate the counting of votes / the thread for discussion and agitation is here.
13  Other / Meta / Re: Getting something clear about the trust system on: December 27, 2023, 11:25:58 PM
Seasonal greetings to everyone. I have some misunderstandings about something i need clarification. So, for example, we have member A and member B.  If member A uses the trust system to give member B any of the trust,. If member A's account is banned in the future, what will happen to the trust he gave to member B? Will it still be there?
Trust entries will stay as long as an account is in DT.
But a banned account might lose DT1 status because for DT1, to be eligible, posts need to be written:

#3
I will periodically (maybe every month) be reconstructing the default trust list to include everyone who matches these criteria:

 - Your trust list must include at least 10 users, not including ~distrust entries.

Not being able to post is only affecting DT1.
After dropping out of DT1 due to inactivity, account will still be DT2 member, of course...
14  Other / Beginners & Help / Re: Bitcointalk vs. YouTube from an educational viewpoint on: December 27, 2023, 07:58:32 PM
If I may ask you OP, would you have learnt about Bitcoin properly from YouTube if you did not have identified with this platform?
I don't like YouTube because in my opinion, it is not a good platform for really difficult explanations of Bitcoin and Blockchain topics, where is can be better explained in a detailed text.
15  Bitcoin / Bitcoin Discussion / Re: Judge orders Craig Wright to pay over $1M on: December 27, 2023, 06:58:56 PM
Of course he can recover the account if he is indeed a real Satoshi.
But Craig Wright is not Satoshi and he won't be able to recover Satoshi's Bitcointalk account.
He will keep making false claims, of course.

He will remain a scammer.
16  Other / Beginners & Help / Re: Bitcointalk vs. YouTube from an educational viewpoint on: December 27, 2023, 06:42:00 PM
It seems like you wasted too much energy creating this thread, you can discuss it briefly without having to write at length in understanding the information about Bitcoin explained on YouTube and on Bitcointalk.
It's never wrong to create educational content and to go into detail because from what you can read in my OP, many reasons are around, why Bitcointalk is leagues better compared to YouTube.


I guess I will be more into forum rather than seeking information on youtube since not everything on facebook is true since there's a lot of fake like scams and click baits posted for views or to scam people.
Good point made!
Scams are rampant on YouTube and facebook. Meanwhile Bitcointalk has a section, where scam gets exposed and it's not easy for scammers to place scam ads on Bitcointalk unnoticed. 
17  Economy / Reputation / Re: Should Ratimov aka Symmetrick be in DT1? on: December 27, 2023, 06:34:57 PM
Please tell me anyone, I have been accused of "targeting someones [Symmetricks] personality" by pointing out his recent name change from Ratimov to Symmetrick was an attempt from Ratomov to cover up his abuses.

Former Ratimov account changed his name earlier to cover up his abuses, when GazetaBitcoin presented it. Ratimov account changed name to Symmetrick and because Symmetrick (formerly known as Ratimov) gets often nominated in Bitcointalk Community awards for Anti Hero, his name appears often.
I can't stop laughing reading your post, what for? I still can't decipher it. There is no charade that people will not use their alts to do. You've expressed yourself much enough to know that you are more familiar with the forum than those who appear regularly. But this time, to directly target someone's personality. I hope it will be easier for you in the court of law to defend the "to cover up his abuses" remark if charged.

Did he tell you, or did you assume it? I'm amazed how people get to just say whatever comes to their head without a rethink.

In my impression, Ratimov and his name change was clearly motivated to cover up his abuses.
If I'm wrong, please show me anyone where my assumption is wrong?
18  Economy / Reputation / Re: It is called Symmetrick, not Symmertrick! on: December 27, 2023, 06:30:45 PM
I hope it will be easier for you in the court of law to defend the "to cover up his abuses" remark if charged.
What are you talking about?  Cheesy
Ratimov changed his name to Symmetrick because he was accused to be a plagiarist, he shouted very means words, hedeleted all his vital post history and content, he deleted his trust entries and more. You can read about it here: https://bitcointalk.org/index.php?topic=5468454.0
Ratimov and his name change was clearly motivated to cover up his abuses.



Did he tell you, or did you assume it?
He did not tell me but does he need to? It's obvious case.

I'm amazed how people get to just say whatever comes to their head without a rethink.
Please tell me, where my conclusion lacks evidence?

A sensible person would know that changing of name changed nothing.
Probably Ratimov is not a sensible person and he really tried to succeed by name change. Or why should he do a name change just when he's accused by evidence?


If I'm wrong here, please show me anyone where my assumption is wrong.
19  Economy / Reputation / What ChipMixer’s, Whirlwind’s and Sinbad’s downfall teaches us on: December 27, 2023, 06:22:11 PM
Now, just a few days to go before year’s end we need to remember a year of centralized mixer fails. First, ChipMixer’s downfall, later Whirlwind’s downfall and now Sinbad.io’s downfall are truly lessons to be learned from.
We need to draw conclusions and it is important for us to learn from it to avoid repeating similar mistakes.

While all cases are different, a basic problem is boiling down to being centralized services. We have learned from Bitcoin why decentralization is important. Centralized mixers is exactly what a decentralization maximalist needs to be critical of.


Disadvantages of centralized services

We know it very well from Bitcoin: decentralization is king. Bitcoin is so famous because it’s decentralized. By decentralizing it, important attack vectors against it won’t work.

In opposite, mixers like Whirlwind, Sinbad.io or ChipMixer are centralized. It is run by an operator / CEO and he can do mistakes, get caught and steal funds. We have to trust him and how he is running his service.
Whirlwind outright scammed everyone, where developers just decided to abandon Whirlwind and as a logical result from centralized services, customers received financial loss. Maybe all data will be sold on Darket marketplaces to increase owner profits.
It is all about avoiding a middleman, trustless.
Bitcoin is legit, Bitcoin has no CEO.

Decentralized is king!


ChipMixer’s case


Let's have a closer look at ChipMixer:

Are ChipMixer operators really well educated and honest?

In a centralized service, we depend on its operators to be honest and well educated. We don’t know it if ChipMixer’s developers are honest and well educated but what we heard from some research, ChipMixer’s founder was not someone who was extremely educated, as flaws in his operations were revealed. Yes, he was able to set up a website and code mixing operations, also in DarkNet but after all, he can also have hired a coder to set it up and maintain it. We don’t now much about ChipMixer’s development team size and experience. It is unknown.
Once again, we need to trust some internet strangers.


Centralized services need an income – not unlike Bitcoin

As every centralized service, also ChipMixer needed an income. ChipMixer didn’t charge any fees for mixing, only dust, which didn’t fit in Chips was charged, which is not much after all. ChipMixer also had a gambling part, where customers can bet a Bitcoin amount and double it – or lose it. 47% chance of success. A part of it was ChipMixer’s revenue.
To generate revenue for it’s operations, every centralized service needs an income and most likely ChipMixer’s income was to launder criminal funds and even being involved in DarkNet operations.
It’s not a surprise. Sinbad.io is even worse involved in criminal syndicate businesss, it is shocking, but later more about it.
Conclusion: Such money needs to have an origin and it’s likely to be from criminal origin (hacked funds, stolen funds, extorted funds), where ChipMixer participated in deals to obtain income from.


ChipMixer’s involvement in DarkNet markets

After ChipMixer was operating for a long time, it suffered to be a target for criminals to launder stolen or hacked Bitcoins. It is quite likely, more and more hackers and criminals found out about ChipMixer over time.
In addition, ChipMixer seemed to be operating a DarkNet activities itself but it is still not known to which degree ChipMixer has been involved in DarkNet markets.
After ChipMixer never provided any statement, not from employees as well, it seems to be a very centralized service and a very small team. We don’t know how many employees ChipMixer had. Most likely ChipMixer was run by few people close to DarkNet markets and didn’t apply valid security measures, like deleting old private keys from customers because data was found later and keys emptied.


Sinbad.io’s case

Let's have a closer look at Sinbad.io:

While most points are already covered and apply for Sinbad.io like it does for ChipMixer, Sinbad.io is one step more shocking and more tied to crime. Because from all information available, seachable for anyone to do a quick internet research, Sinbad.io was already tied to massive criminals when it started.
Sinbad.io started as a re-branded, already busted mixer, blender.io, known for funneling funds from big hacks and criminal syndicates before it got busted:

https://finance.yahoo.com/news/sanctioned-mixer-blender-launched-sinbad-183621428.html
https://www.coindesk.com/business/2023/02/13/sanctioned-mixer-blender-re-launched-as-sinbad-elliptic-says/
https://decrypt.co/208160/sanctioned-bitcoin-mixer-blender-relaunch-sinbad-sanctioned-again
https://www.theregister.com/2023/02/14/blender_crypto_mixer_sinbad/
https://decrypt.co/121222/new-sinbad-bitcoin-mixer-is-sanctioned-blender
https://cointelegraph.com/news/crypto-mixer-blender-has-been-rebranded-to-sinbad-says-elliptic
https://www.theblock.co/post/211225/sinbad-crypto-mixing-service-may-be-blender-in-disguise-elliptic
https://dailycoin.com/elliptic-reports-that-blender-rebranded-as-sinbad/

While people here now complain about Royse777 remaining funds are difficult to process, many funds going into blender.io previously, going into Sinbad.io after blender.io got busted, are 100% identical. It’s also stolen and hacked funds.
Sinbad.io funds were not just from DarkNet markets like ChipMixer, funds were even from organized crime syndicates.

Sinbad.io abused Bitcointalk to attract clean coins, to get volumes for mixing Sinbad.io’s extremely tainted coins. Bitcointalk members were abused like exit liquidity from shitcoin pump and dumps.
It’s a real shame, what Sinbad.io pulled of.
We need to spot such scum next time.



Final conclusions

While mixers like ChipMixer or Sinbad.io have been very famous, it’s now clear how ChipMixer clearly missed solid standards in terms of operation, transparency and security, how Sinbad was already guilty when it started and what Sinbad.io pulled off against Bitcointalk.
While ChipMixer was tied to DarkNet marketc, Sinbad.io funds were even from big organized crime syndicates.
We don’t know yet, which fallouts are still upcoming because for ChipMixer, 7 TB of data are a lot. For Sinbad.io a similar outcome of sized data might be up and people need to be aware how tainted coins from Sinbad.io really are. It’s coins from criminal syndicates. 
Possibly, many transactions can get unmixed, which is good to catch scammers, criminals and syndicates but everyone who used such a mixer legitimately, can possibly get identified as well.
In Whirlwind, many people lost funds but just because of luck, an escrow still held money for refunds. In future cases, such refunds might not be available.
In ChipMixer, many people lost funds because private keys, which serves as "chips" were not deleted by ChipMixer.
According to LoyceV’s research many chip-sized funded addresses were emptied, indicating funds from Chips were moved at once in a sudden action. We can draw a conclusion from it: ChipMixer didn’t delete private keys after a session expired. According to ChipMixer, deleted sessions can’t be restored, where we can expect also deleting keys to prevent any malicious actor from obtaining it.
Because imagine it is also possible for a hacker to obtain such private keys.

Because of being a centralized service, ChipMixer's, Whirlwind's and Sinbad.io's downfall was no surprise.
20  Other / Beginners & Help / Re: Bitcointalk vs. YouTube from an educational viewpoint on: December 23, 2023, 06:45:53 PM
OP your post is very long. Old members maybe skip to read your content. I would advise you to keep your content short and to the point to attract reader.
I'm more in favor of a detailed explanation, it is comparable to Bitcointalk vs. YouTube.
Bitcointalk is detailed explanation, YouTube is superficial (and also hype + speculation).

exchanges influencers are also misleading people but this doesn't mean that we ignore the popularity and number of people joining crypto.
Yes, especially centralized exchanges want to mkake us store our cons centralized, do many trades (to pay more trading fees and exchange will get more revenue).

OP next time try to be more concise. You can get your point across which less text. You obviously put a lot of effort into writing a wall of text (even more stressful if you’re using a mobile) but I think you could have structured it better.
I have added a better structure, should be easier to read now.

The bitcointalk forum is quite extensive and in my opinion is very different from the knowledge obtained on YouTube for those who feel it after making comparisons.
A big benefit of Bitcointalk is to have different section, where content is easier to find + ask questions of course. We can't really ask questions on YouTube.

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