I think this is a great idea - but, here's the thing; I have a relarively small amount of hash power - a few months ago it would have been impressive, six months ago; collosal! I can split this hash power because of the hardware - approx 60/40 - ok, I'm earning BTM, not stacks but more than happy. Becasue I don't have BTC to use the IPM but can point some of my hash power at a multipool I can direct some BTC to the pot in that way instead of my BTC address... I am tired - is my thinking skewed?  It is my fault for not being clear. With this approach you could set the BTC donation to 0-100% and do as you say. A typical pattern may be to mine at a multipool, have the BTC exit to the IPM, with your donation amounts set up, so that you get BTM and donate and profit and mine. All entirely automated. Of course - we discussed this in IRC leading up to the IPM announcement document... doh!  |
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I think I have a solution, completely optional and variable donations.
For the IPM Pool I will add the following interface instead:
percentage BTC donation to current development [slider 0-100]
percentage BTM donation to future development [slider 0-100]
enter btm address [ ]
[ place btm order ]
This is simple.
Each person when using the IPM pool to acquire BTM at production cost, can slide a % amount to contribute - with no pressure, and anonymously - to either current development (BTC for now), or future development (BTM to the foundation)
This is not an immediate fix to pressing matters, it does potentially solve the funding issue for say next month onwards.
I think this is a great idea - but, here's the thing; I have a relarively small amount of hash power - a few months ago it would have been impressive, six months ago; collosal! I can split this hash power because of the hardware - approx 60/40 - ok, I'm earning BTM, not stacks but more than happy. Becasue I don't have BTC to use the IPM but can point some of my hash power at a multipool I can direct some BTC to the pot in that way instead of my BTC address... I am tired - is my thinking skewed? |
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Firstly, I am not going to quote every community member's worthy comments around the value of this project's success and the question of funding. Mark has said it all;
...is that I believe in the merits of the system with such conviction that I am prepared to lose everything in order to see it come to fruition - although I would prefer not to.
I have faith in this community and sincerely believe that we will not let it come to that; losing everything. This project is massive; Huge; Groundbreaking. I've read so many of the 'trollbox' comments at various locations, aimed at the scammers and 'run away' devs; the premines, the instamines, IPOs etc. etc. Do you know what is interesting? I have scanned through this section of Bitcoin Talk and NOT ONE THREAD has drawn my attention since I first stumbled upon this thread. Ok, so I might have missed out on some cracking pump n dump opportunities - so what? This project is important; It must succeed; It will succeed. I am quietly working in the background to prise open some doors... who knows? I am also working closely with another community member on some Marks related projects - again, who knows? In the meantime, a thought; if any members of the community have 'spare' haspower in the form of a couple of G-Blades here, Zeus ThunderX3 there, some GS Dual 5 Chip units kicking around - instead of dipping into their 'precious' Bitcoin wallet, what if Mark was to publish an additional BTC Donation address? One that everyone could use at clevermining.com or wafflepool.com etc? The reason I suggest an alternate address is purely for identification of the income stream. Collectively, a few KH/s or MH/s here and there would generate some satoshi for the pot; something towards the bills; the rent; perhaps even a day-trip for the family to consolidate the support Mark must be getting at home else he would not be able to do this. It's just a thought - sometimes pointing a rig at a pool for a few hours just isn't as immediately 'painful' as a 'send funds' click of the wallet button... Respect to all of you. |
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OK. The coin is on an exchange now. The free market is now available to all. Including morons..  Some idiot is selling for under 10K satoshis. He either has free electricity or no brains or probably both. Or he wants to lower the price ;] Look how small sell it is. He sold 1000 BTM (hardly a small amount) in 5 seconds for between 11112 and 9102 satoshis. Our first dumper!
And so we reach another milestone in Bitmark's journey... Have been very much AFK for a few days - much to digest and absorb! All very interesting! |
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thanks zandinga, i m going to watch
stratum+tcp://de3.miningpool.co:22011 stratum+tcp://us4.miningpool.co:22013 stratum+tcp://pool.xhash.net:3406 Not forgetting when ready the IPM |
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So on that note I suggested http://www.discourse.org/ as an option for a forum that we could potentially integrate with the getMarked system. Well that one (discourse) slipped right under my radar! Nice one..! |
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My two pennies:
1) Valid points and concerns - the community is watching and caring about things!
2) The rapid firing of ideas does tend to smokescreen and obscure the hard work that is going on behind the scenes - I'm certain that @consolidation has more than one screen in front of him and responds to and fires ideas at this thread in between the hard work
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Androidicus you were not mistaken, the thread just changed quickly as our ideas came together.
Electrons - terrible things We can give the software a bitmark halving. The forum acts as a faucet, I will give it 100 BTM, enough for 200 users. Every user who signs up gets 500 marks (0.5 BTM), each post costs 1 mark which goes back in to the faucet. Each users post or actions can be marked by other users, this gives them reputation and more marks to give. When the users reach 50 the reward for joining drops to 375. When it reaches 100 it halves from the original 500 to 250, just as bitmarks block rewards work. Every time the reward reduces, the cost of each action drops by the same amount. So the 100 BTM is enough for an almost infinite amount of users, and the more the forum is used, the rarer and more distributed marks get. For onlookers, 1 Mark is 0.001 BTM, a Mark is also reputation. http://getmarked.org/I get it - just got to get my head around the way the numbers work - [myHead + numbers] = [Takes time to sink in] |
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Ideally open source if we could find such a thing. Coming back to the topic of a forum, and also getMarked. I wonder if it is possible to create a self moderating community, where the 'forum' is armed with marks, where the users can mark specific actions to take place, say 'spam' or 'ban user', if they agree the marks are doubled and distributed back to the moderating users, and if they are trying to abuse the system or incorrect they take a tiny hit to their balance of marks. It would be nice to find a forum, with only one board to start, where topics could be tagged, and which we could customize to have this functionality. It would be fun and a good example of getMarked and our approaches to currency/reputation being one. This could also boost getMarked and Bitmark adoption, as we would opensource or contribute the change to which ever software we used, and allow users to transfer their marks between each forum, whilst their reputation would follow them around Apologies - I was mistaken in thinking the quandora offering was about the forum? [Smiley for Doh!] I did a lot of research for Open Source PHP Forum offerings a while back - it's all at home somewhere - will take a look later... |
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this could be implemented on a site similar to yahoo answers, where regular contributors can get paid for answering questions or maybe writing articles etc
A good example! |
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I have reached out to http://www.quandora.com/ as a public version of their solution looks to be exactly what we need, with any luck they will respond to say that they are willing to support us by offering a free instance for a few months in return for being associated with Bitmark, a one off donation of our own currency to thank them, and a well funded foundation to pay all related costs in the future. Do you think their offering looks to be what we need, and that this was a reasonable request to make? We will need to raise a BTM donation for them in the future, if they accept, I hope that is not an issueYes, a reasonable request! But would an Open Source offering serve a longer term need? I guess that there is an outreach opportunity however, in having an association with a bigger player... |
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Maybe we need something more like StackExchange, with specific topics and questions tagged and arranged, a clear view of unanswered topics, and the most active or currently being discussed displayed at the top.
You mean the ones that are marked the most at the top?  Lol  |
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4. - After some personal brainstorming, I realised that I have access to quite a wide group of potential adopters - I have not mentioned this previously because actions a better than words and I felt that however good I feel about that Foundation and its Projects, some further evolution was required prior to me extolling its virtues to a much wider, more sceptical audience - that time has all but arrived. getMarked is probably the tipping point in this.
6. - I believe it has been mentioned in this thread; a Bitmark Forum. Would this be a good way forward, clearly linked from this thread? bitmark.co/forum ? It could be much better organised into Topics, Subject Areas, Groups et al?
EDIT: This could perhaps address point 5. to a certain extent?
4. That is what we need, not adopters but potential adopters, so that we can find out what they need and how they foresee themselves using what we create. If the first round of adoption is to be something like "as a way to move money between online services, with the option to move it to an account under solely my control" then we can focus there. The answer may also be "to easily send money abroad and pay people in other countries". We can provide all this and more, to have some focussed adoption paths provided by potential adopters will help us a great deal. Do you think that is a subject you could raise with one or two of them? 6. I agree. A traditional forum I do not feel to be effective, a new forum looks often empty and can doom it to stay that way. Maybe we need something more like StackExchange, with specific topics and questions tagged and arranged, a clear view of unanswered topics, and the most active or currently being discussed displayed at the top. 4. I agree and, yes - those 2 examples will relate - and what these people will understand and appreciate is value add - in addition to potentially expanding the ways that blogs / articles / content engage the audience with interaction - FB, Twtr, Pin all do this but getMarked would be another very different arrow in the quiver, imo. 6. Yes, but I do not think a standalone Bitmark Foundation Forum would look empty for long! I set up a little PHP BB3 for just a peer and myself to discuss a proposed project a while back and it didn't look empty for more than a couple of days... EDIT: In fact, with threads, subjects, announcements, stickies - i.e. thread headed 'Why Scrypt' with a sticky permapost with your succinct rationale would answer a thousand askers... And of course - every post would have a getMarked button  |
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6. - I believe it has been mentioned in this thread; a Bitmark Forum. Would this be a good way forward, clearly linked from this thread? bitmark.co/forum ? It could be much better organised into Topics, Subject Areas, Groups et al?
I think this has come up before and one issue that was mentioned was the risk of isolating ourselves from the outside community. I definitely agree that it would be nice to have a forum though and that it would be much more organized. I'm not sure there is an easy answer to the question of how we maximise our public outreach while still striving for the best intra-community communication we can. Forum is definitely inevitable at some point either way. No question about that. Yes, there could be some isolation - but is that a little inevitable, initially? Perhaps it's how we manage that to ensure inclusion. I can only speak for myself, but there is such good project documentation @consolidation has produced via external links; that is where the 'meat n veg' is - this thread is, imho, at risk of becoming somewhere to receive the 'When is this coin going to be on an exchange' questions [flame suit on!] in spite of the extremely high quality of discussion. I'm starting to feel that points 2 - 6 would all benefit from a Bitmark Discussion Platform where the existing community would come and to where newcomers would be directed? |
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The areas I need help with are as follows
1. Funding and balance, you who are reading have already done much in this regard, thank you.
2. Effective communication, I need people to help me condense what I write in to short summaries of benefits and why, or to write their own. getMarked is a prime example, having no context of Bitmark's goals, no bullet points, just a lot of text which can easily lose its reader without conveying what needs conveyed.
3. Coherent management of outwards appearance. In line with effective communication, I feel the project lacks any coherent and up to date outwards face, something which entices people in from whichever part they see first, and which gives a clear overview of what we are about.
4. Outreach. I am worried about becoming just another fractional community on bitcointalk, we need to engage every day people and businesses, and also the people who want to see every one using digital money for every day transactions, with a faction of those ethical people who focus on anarchy/justice/legalities/governance to balance the project long term.
5. Becoming more organized, where people involved have more well defined roles. I do not care who does what, so long as they enjoy what they do and feel empowered to do it more by the project and those around them.
6. To increase the coherence and visibility of the interesting discussions people have, so much is said and so much is lost, the main thread often misses all of the interesting bits. Perhaps that is because it is an ineffective medium of communication, or maybe people feel they must discuss with me rather than each other.
This is good and crystallises yours and the Foundation/Project's needs. Specifically for now, iro 4. - After some personal brainstorming, I realised that I have access to quite a wide group of potential adopters - I have not mentioned this previously because actions a better than words and I felt that however good I feel about that Foundation and its Projects, some further evolution was required prior to me extolling its virtues to a much wider, more sceptical audience - that time has all but arrived. getMarked is probably the tipping point in this. 6. - I believe it has been mentioned in this thread; a Bitmark Forum. Would this be a good way forward, clearly linked from this thread? bitmark.co/forum ? It could be much better organised into Topics, Subject Areas, Groups et al? EDIT: This could perhaps address point 5. to a certain extent? |
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It is fine to forget the Bitmark logo and color, getMarked must stand alone.
A 'Mark' is a different unit, it is giving reputation, later paying.
Androidicus, I think you have identified that we should use a checkmark, well done.
Can we design a Checkmark to look subtly like a currency symbol?
... and put the work 'mark' beside it? consider this button to sit in a row with others [ 'like' 'tweet' 'mark' 'pin' ]
Stick to monochromatic, add a color later if we need one.
 Added:  Also:  All are roughs... |
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8<--- BUTTON IMAGES ---
I like these approaches to the button design Specially the BM checked circle. Just thoughts |
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Of course not - it's Tim Berners-Lee and Stephen Hawking wearing a consolidation suit... or this: 8<--- REMOVED IMAGE TO SAVE NOISE! ----8<  +1 lol |
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