so korvas is telling lies then and whales do get information the public doesnt get about the ionomy vision?
Me telling lies is something you need to decide for yourself  well one of you is telling lies. wildshark says whales get inside info you say whales dont. cant be both. you shouldnt be telling lies because you acuse others of doing it and that would be hypocritical wouldnt it? so from that i infer that you are incluned to agree wildshark is a liar? is this correct? Korvas continually contradicts himself. Here's just one example from only a few days ago where he talks about getting information early. His post history has many others, but to be honest I can't be bothered to trawl through it. And yes I do have a superior knowledge of the situation but
A) If it's not announced by IONOMY it's not for me to say
B) Sharing information if it's not already known to slack users would for various reasons be just plain stupid
by that quote korvas admits ge has info slack doesnt which would be from whale status. there is potential insider trading happening. another red flag. this is a lie from korvas which means without justification he has no right to acuse others of lies and try to take the moral high ground. thanks altheshort I agree. To me it doesn't matter if it is legally defined (as yet) as potential insider trading, which is what Sharky appears to be hung up on. In essence, regardless of it's legal definition, the set up whereby they discuss advance information (about matters as significant as delays to products, as they did with Gravity) with a select group who are also the largest holders of the tokens leaves open the possibility that one of the whales may, at some point, choose to act on said information for their own financial gain and to the detriment of smaller holders. It's foolish, and the fact that the team are apparently ok with sharing information in this manner with no formal controls in place shows their naivety, in my opinion. This is crypto; it's largely unregulated. It's idiotic and shortsighted to just trust that the whales won't act out of self preservation because they said they wouldn't. |
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so korvas is telling lies then and whales do get information the public doesnt get about the ionomy vision?
Me telling lies is something you need to decide for yourself well one of you is telling lies. wildshark says whales get inside info you say whales dont. cant be both. you shouldnt be telling lies because you acuse others of doing it and that would be hypocritical wouldnt it? so from that i infer that you are incluned to agree wildshark is a liar? is this correct? Korvas continually contradicts himself. Here's just one example from only a few days ago where he talks about getting information early. His post history has many others, but to be honest I can't be bothered to trawl through it. And yes I do have a superior knowledge of the situation but
A) If it's not announced by IONOMY it's not for me to say
B) Sharing information if it's not already known to slack users would for various reasons be just plain stupid
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The Insider Trading is based off the security being bought/sold. The addition data needs to be info on that resource..
neither IONs, Atoms or Electrons are securities
ION Talk is not available for me to find the US law that was used to define a security... This was hashed on ION Talk in the Bitcoin ION FAQ thread
Broadly speaking, The Howey Test (amongst others) is used in the US to define a security. You assume too much if you think you can second guess how the SEC might apply this to Ionomy if it were to ever come under scrutiny. |
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9 months to make a game (projected 1 month initially) and 3 weeks for it to fizzle out. I thought this was a gaming based crypto currency? Are the investors not at all worried about this? Seems they just care about profits any way possible. Who cares about the white paper, I can make my XPY loses whole again!
If you knew what was going on then you would understand.... such opportunity.... you need to be selective in how you deploy resources otherwise you just squander it. As someone who has been involved since day 1 I'm loving it Any predictions on when ION will hit 50 cents Ah yes, back to the old 'you don't understand because you're not a whale' argument. Please understand this: the current price is utterly irrelevant. Most of the trade volume at the moment is likely bagholders trading to other bagholders anyway. The success of this project depends on it's games being at least relatively successful. So far, you've released one single game that took nearly a year to be finally 'ready' and has been met with a reception that could only generously be described as mediocre. If having under 50 regular players each week is a sign of success for you, frankly I think you need to get a grip. The games need to be orders of magnitude more compelling and polished if you expect this project to be a success. So far this team have demonstrated absolutely no ability to produce something that appeals to a bigger audience -- in concept or execution. |
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It's just that for some inexplicable reason they choose to release them once a year.
@suchmoon Maybe the schedule has changed and you didn't get the memo... I like your suggestion that a in-depth Ionomy game should be released yearly... Obviously you won't address this with a response because that's not your style, but I think it's reaching somewhat to characterise 'Crypto Gravity' as an in depth game. |
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amateurism
There would nothing wrong with it if they recognized that fact and acted accordingly instead of trying to make it sound like they can develop the full stack better than anybody else. Indeed, and really that is my primary problem with crypto ICO schemes like this. Essentially it's nothing more than a bunch of loosely associated faux-startup types dressing up in suits brought on crowd funded dime & playing at being a legitimate business for a while, spewing out massively overblown, pie in the sky business plans along the way. You might argue that most startups are like this, but because this is crypto there's far less accountability, increasing risk. The team do not appear to possess the required skills and experience collectively to pull this off, and a bunch of investors will get burned yet again when it eventually folds. I think that's wrong. |
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Thanks altheshort, I'm sure ionomy is paying close attention to other devs competing in the low 1000s of dowloads  I think we got it all wrong. It looks like ionomy does indeed produce one game a month, at least the quality and overall effort seem to be consistent with something that a part-time dev with no adult supervision could produce in a month. It's just that for some inexplicable reason they choose to release them once a year. One has to wonder if they did any research at all before barrelling in to developing the games they have in the (overly optimistic) pipeline. If I can discover a startlingly similar game with the same title in mere seconds in an idle moment on the Play Store, surely they must have done the same? Whats more, the original 'To The Moon' doesn't appear to have been very appealing to people. Sure, the developers probably didn't have the might of the Ionomy spin and marketing machine behind them (/s), but I would hope that someone might have gone 'hang on a minute...' somewhere down the line here. Perhaps they're banking on the fact that their finely honed skill in developing addictive and attractive gameplay mechanics will differentiate their product from the other 'To The Moon', though I'd suggest they ought to consider the fact that 'Crypto Gravity' hasn't exactly had rave reviews if that's the plan. Once again -- and I feel I say this more or less every time I post, so I apologise -- this just reeks of amateurism. |
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Perusing the Play Store and this smash hit (500-1000 downloads, 16 review, 3.9 star rating) from 2014 seems awfully familiar.  Now, where have I seen that title and premise before...  Looks like another blockbuster in the making to me. Edit: for maximum cringe, there's also this gem in the iOS store. This one even has a leaderboard!  |
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What is an ION?
ION is a Digital CryptoCurrency Bent on WORLD DOMINATION (in the game Gravity). But overall it allows you to offer goods and service to others and have them pay you with ion. Think of it as another type of Dollar bill in your wallet. Just your Wallet is digital and on your computer. The best part of ion is the fact that the more you keep in your wallet the more your wallet will generate. So gather them while you can. And lets take over the world!
This is laughable tosh, but I do find it interesting that there is a subtle attempt in there to marginalise the mobile gaming aspect -- which I thought was the entire point of the coin -- in favour of the usual altcoin goods, services and hoarding shtick. I'm not sure who wrote it, but attempting to downplay the mobile gaming aspect at this point is probably wise; Crypto Gravity clearly hasn't been anywhere near the success that they had first anticipated, and despite presumably continuing to gather download numbers, tellingly doesn't appear to be turning those downloads into growing numbers of regular players. It's also interesting that there hasn't been a single update to Gravity since it's release, and while there's been rumblings about 'To The Moon' or whatever it's called going to alpha, in the usual Ionomy style it still seems some way off while the team chooses instead to push out extremely niche updates (hosted masternodes, the card system) that will only really appeal to those already involved and invested. |
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More fool you if you believe this sudden rise is anything other than some BTC whales having a play around with a low volume alt. A few alts have been pumped in similar fashion over the last few days. It doesn't represent organic growth and I'm almost certain that after they've had their fun, it'll gradually begin to sink down again. It might make you feel warm and fuzzy at the moment but unless you take advantage of it and take your profit while you can, it means nothing. |
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Doesn't matter what the price is. It only turns into a good investment if everyone realizes profit. So what you're telling us is that the ION market has enough depth for EVERYONE that invested early to realize the profit at ~$0.44? Without crashing the market?
If that can't happen, why are you saying early investors were the smartest? They have made ZERO profit. The token hey own just looks like it increased in value. Try to cash all your ION out at today's level and he next person that would try would have a price $0.10 less. Paycoiner logic, you don't lose if you don't sell. In his case, you didn't make profit if you don't sell. And what you are eluding to is that the market can handle all the early investors selling for profit.
Yep, those early investors were smart. They have a made up token with some increased value that they can do basically nothing with. If they want to realize profit, it will crush the price. You're statement, once again, is stupid.
You just don't get it do you............ your response says more about you than it does me Korvas, I really don't mean to sound abrasive, but these wishy washy answers you give alluding to having some sort of superior knowledge of the situation mean absolutely nothing when you don't back them up with an explanation. What do you actually mean when you say Cryptobuds doesn't 'get it'? You implied that the current price indicates that investing early was a sound move. Cryptobuds responded with a logical retort. Can you address his point? Your're not coming across as being abrasive. Crytobuds is just a troll........... don't believe me checkout their post history And yes I do have a superior knowledge of the situation but A) If it's not announced by IONOMY it's not for me to say B) Sharing information if it's not already known to slack users would for various reasons be just plain stupid No I'm not going to address his point............ No point Remember people that post on BCT Tell lies Tell the truth Talk with their hearts Talk with their heads Talk with facts Talk out of their arse Are Good Are Bad Are polite Are rude Are abusive Are Alias's Are respectful Are arrogant Are humble Are Clever Are Stupid Have a vitamin D deficiency All I'll say is keep an eye on Ionomy as what you see today is just the tip of the iceberg Unfortunately you need to figure out the wheat from the chaff yourself. Firstly, thank you for your response. I will say, however, that you appear to have misunderstood my question. I wasn't asking for you to characterise the vast spectrum of bitcointalk posters or about cryptobuds post history, I was asking you if you could respond specifically to cryptobuds last post. Given that you didn't respond, is it safe to assume that you don't have a retort? I'm also not sure I see the point in you teasing people with the idea that you have superior knowledge when you also admit that you can't actually share that knowledge. I'd suggest that either you're full of hot air, or (more likely) you're not thinking through what you post. The vast majority of people will be instantly put off by someone who says to them 'Hey! Here's a really great investment opportunity, I've done my due diligence and there's a ton of amazing stuff to come. I can't tell you anything about it though beyond hints, you'll have to pay a large amount of money for tokens I also happen to have a large amount of to also be privy to the information I have'. Whether you intend it or not, it simply appears scammy. In other news, Gravity clicked over to the 5000-10000 downloads category sometime in the last 12 hours or so, which given the 48 hour or so delay in updating figures on the Play Store would tally up with a consistent 150 or so downloads a day. I still think that's low for a product that's been worked on for so long and is meant to show off the potential of the platform, and the number of users on the weekly leaderboard still seems to be decreasing. We're coming up on a month post-Gravity release, so I guess we'll see about the one game a month target soon. |
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Doesn't matter what the price is. It only turns into a good investment if everyone realizes profit. So what you're telling us is that the ION market has enough depth for EVERYONE that invested early to realize the profit at ~$0.44? Without crashing the market?
If that can't happen, why are you saying early investors were the smartest? They have made ZERO profit. The token hey own just looks like it increased in value. Try to cash all your ION out at today's level and he next person that would try would have a price $0.10 less. Paycoiner logic, you don't lose if you don't sell. In his case, you didn't make profit if you don't sell. And what you are eluding to is that the market can handle all the early investors selling for profit.
Yep, those early investors were smart. They have a made up token with some increased value that they can do basically nothing with. If they want to realize profit, it will crush the price. You're statement, once again, is stupid.
You just don't get it do you............ your response says more about you than it does me Korvas, I really don't mean to sound abrasive, but these wishy washy answers you give alluding to having some sort of superior knowledge of the situation mean absolutely nothing when you don't back them up with an explanation. What do you actually mean when you say Cryptobuds doesn't 'get it'? You implied that the current price indicates that investing early was a sound move. Cryptobuds responded with a logical retort. Can you address his point? |
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The contest is over and I don't think there is any doubt that Rick_James won it fair and square so I'm not going to bother with math here. Congrats Mr. James! Post your BTC address whenever you're ready. 0.000050 Phildo
0.000100 kken01
0.000120 SAmOS
0.000181 pixelpowered
0.000190 CryptoBuds
0.000197 o0o0
0.000205 altheshort
0.000222 ThePointlessOne
0.000318 Rick_James
Why thank you! I can appreciate that your somebody of your word. In the name of fun and keeping things interesting, any part of the winnings ill put in the pool for the winner when you come up with another contest.(in btc or ion )So ill be watching for the next one. btc addy if you insist- 1CU2v2zgoZQjsM2xnZ8j5VZkYdYHruPPPf Congrats, Rick_James! |
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Christ on a bike, I must have misjudged them. They've only gone and written an FAQ. Moon inevitable. |
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When you eventually tire of trolling or you are no longer getting paid let me know and I'll pay you to carry on. You see in the long run insignificant sloppy trolls like you do more good than harm The fact that you are deluded enough to think that Ion, the Ionomy or even Crypto Gravity is in any way significant enough for there to be some kind of paid for scheme to discredit it demonstrates perfectly how effective your due diligence is likely to have been. Hilarious, but utterly meaningless. Just like yesterday's pump. Actually the hilarious thing is you thinking that what you've just described is all the ION/IONOMY has to offer Gravity is all the have to offer. The coin has no use as it stands now other than to buy MN holding or dump for BTC. What else does ION/Ionomy have to offer? Besides sorta pretty PNG's and hyperinflation. I'm going to echo this response and request that you explain what, specifically, the ionomy has to offer that you believe is significant enough that you apparently think that a rival (presumably a large mobile gaming industry player as that's the main focus of the project) is paying people to write negative comments on here. |
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When you eventually tire of trolling or you are no longer getting paid let me know and I'll pay you to carry on. You see in the long run insignificant sloppy trolls like you do more good than harm The fact that you are deluded enough to think that Ion, the Ionomy or even Crypto Gravity is in any way significant enough for there to be some kind of paid for scheme to discredit it demonstrates perfectly how effective your due diligence is likely to have been. Hilarious, but utterly meaningless. Just like yesterday's pump. |
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Congrats guys, this is the first time someone has posted a pump and it wasn't completely dumped by the time I read it and checked the current price. I'm sure there's enough buy support for all of you to get out whole now, you've made it.
The pumper duo of MrCoins and Robin-whatshername is heavily shilling on slack that Bittrex is running out of IONs  You have to appreciate the commitment though. That's like a solid $100+ just in exchange fees someone's spending in that pump. These pumps (or more specifically the activity in the community as a result of them) are what I find most amusing and are a big part of the reason why I follow alt coin communities. The group delirium, the smatterings of delusion, the shilling, the breathless price speculation, the frantic 'hodling' -- it's all supremely entertaining. It's like watching tulip mania first hand. Delicious. Keep it up. |
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Ignominy Card with extra Electrons
(emphasis mine) ignominy
noun
public shame or disgraceOddly apt. |
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(waffle about screenshots and phones)
Mate, look. Harping on about this screenshot nonsense isn't getting you anywhere. Such arguably wasn't trying to deceive -- it doesn't say anywhere on the original post 'here's a screenshot from my phone', and besides, Such has subsequently posted a picture of the exact same problem occurring on a phone anyway. Could it have been clearer initially that the screenshots were from an emulator? Sure. I'm sure even Suchmoon would concede that. But it's not some grand conspiracy. I can understand you trying to shift the focus of the discussion away from criticism of something you're invested heavily in -- I'm sure it's uncomfortable for you, especially when it seems that even by the teams own target it's underperforming. However, constantly trying to reframe the discussion in the way you are does nothing for your position. If you can defend your investment and address the criticisms, for example the obvious use of what would appear to be fake reviews (whether purchased by the team or by someone else within the ionomy community), with something other than hand waving, I'd be more than willing to listen. Perhaps you could share with us your honest opinion of the first two weeks of the game being released. Is the number of downloads and general reception in line with what you would expect to see from a game that you have obviously enjoyed playing? Are you surprised that there doesn't appear to be many taking part in the leaderboard competition so far, despite this being one of the ionomy project's unique features? Does the level of marketing match your expectations for something that forms the bedrock of the ionomy? I look forward to a response that hopefully doesn't contain the words 'deception', 'photos' or 'phone'. Somebody finally looking for a real conversation. Honest opinion,no it fell a little short of what I personally expected. Most do not understand how the whole system(atoms,electrons and even ion) work. Combine that with not as big of a marketing push as I anticipated would happen and I think it just has not taken off yet. The game is hard to get enough ammo and lives to compete plus the ads were not working so you couldnt watch any at all. I believe they are going to adjust the number of lives and electrons you will get for watching ads (more) so that should give even users that watch ads a chance to compete. Atleast with the game out the team can keep building on it and making it better. Not every game starts out the greatest new thing. I have no doubt will keep getting better and I dont see many other CRYPTO games on the app store so not sure why so much hate for this one? (not that its suprising as even if the game would have been number 1 on the download list it would still be garbage according to a few members here.) Thank you for giving an honest reply. Simple follow up because I don't have time right now to write much else: given Team XPY/XPY.io/Team Ionomy's track record of delivering stable but small scale niche products, but lack of success to date in scaling up ventures at pace with appropriate feature sets to appeal to wider audiences, what makes you believe they can turn gravity (or indeed any other game) into a wide reaching success? What about this team demonstrates to you that they can cut it in what is an extremely competitive arena? Maybe they can maybe they can't? we all take the same chance even buying btc everyday. You think large holders don't have a certain control over it? You think we couldn't wake up tomorrow and it be worthless? Any coin out there for that matter. Yea the team is not setting any blazing records, they also do not have near the size (devs,marketing so on) funds or time to establish that most teams have they get compared to. What I do know is they have had every aspect of what they have done picked apart by members here and keep going. Everybody measures success different so what's a success to me is not to somebody else as we have seen with gravity. I chose to give them a chance knowing Huey has a backround in the gaming industry and the team has built what they did with the small amount of money and small team they have. I think if they do build it out to where they want it to and it all functions on its own on the chain I believe it could end up being a lot larger than it is. Again, thanks for the reply. I agree with most of what suchmoon said in response. I am, however, interested to hear more about Huey's gaming industry background. I've heard talk of it but I've never actually seen any evidence for it -- even his linkedin account doesn't list any experience beyond running a game server a while ago. I'm not looking to bash here, I'm genuinely interested because every time I've asked before no one has been able to answer. I'm sure I won't change your opinion either way, but as I've said before, I'd be concerned if I was a whale by now. There simply isn't much interest in this project; the very fact that they've had to manage on a smaller budget is a function of the fact that the concept doesn't appear to be appealing enough for many investors (even alt coin investors, who generally aren't exactly picky) to put money in to, surely? Now the game is out, we can see that there is still almost no 'buzz' around it despite there now being a tangible product that people can try. I think that speaks volumes, particularly when the game took so long to perfect behind the scenes and was so delayed. Add to this the fact that the team seems to continually over estimate both their ability to deliver (how many target release dates came and went for Gravity?) and the potential of their products, and I think this is only headed in one direction, sadly. Thank you once again for bothering to engage in a conversation. I also note with interest that Korvas is conspicuous by his absence. |
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(waffle about screenshots and phones)
Mate, look. Harping on about this screenshot nonsense isn't getting you anywhere. Such arguably wasn't trying to deceive -- it doesn't say anywhere on the original post 'here's a screenshot from my phone', and besides, Such has subsequently posted a picture of the exact same problem occurring on a phone anyway. Could it have been clearer initially that the screenshots were from an emulator? Sure. I'm sure even Suchmoon would concede that. But it's not some grand conspiracy. I can understand you trying to shift the focus of the discussion away from criticism of something you're invested heavily in -- I'm sure it's uncomfortable for you, especially when it seems that even by the teams own target it's underperforming. However, constantly trying to reframe the discussion in the way you are does nothing for your position. If you can defend your investment and address the criticisms, for example the obvious use of what would appear to be fake reviews (whether purchased by the team or by someone else within the ionomy community), with something other than hand waving, I'd be more than willing to listen. Perhaps you could share with us your honest opinion of the first two weeks of the game being released. Is the number of downloads and general reception in line with what you would expect to see from a game that you have obviously enjoyed playing? Are you surprised that there doesn't appear to be many taking part in the leaderboard competition so far, despite this being one of the ionomy project's unique features? Does the level of marketing match your expectations for something that forms the bedrock of the ionomy? I look forward to a response that hopefully doesn't contain the words 'deception', 'photos' or 'phone'. Somebody finally looking for a real conversation. Honest opinion,no it fell a little short of what I personally expected. Most do not understand how the whole system(atoms,electrons and even ion) work. Combine that with not as big of a marketing push as I anticipated would happen and I think it just has not taken off yet. The game is hard to get enough ammo and lives to compete plus the ads were not working so you couldnt watch any at all. I believe they are going to adjust the number of lives and electrons you will get for watching ads (more) so that should give even users that watch ads a chance to compete. Atleast with the game out the team can keep building on it and making it better. Not every game starts out the greatest new thing. I have no doubt will keep getting better and I dont see many other CRYPTO games on the app store so not sure why so much hate for this one? (not that its suprising as even if the game would have been number 1 on the download list it would still be garbage according to a few members here.) Thank you for giving an honest reply. Simple follow up because I don't have time right now to write much else: given Team XPY/XPY.io/Team Ionomy's track record of delivering stable but small scale niche products, but lack of success to date in scaling up ventures at pace with appropriate feature sets to appeal to wider audiences, what makes you believe they can turn gravity (or indeed any other game) into a wide reaching success? What about this team demonstrates to you that they can cut it in what is an extremely competitive arena? |
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