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Investing in cryptocurrencies
Don´t speculate, don´t be scared – be creative!

When you listen talks in cryptocurrency forums you often hear the term“investment” referring to freshly bought or mined currency units. I always found that partwise problematic and I think it´s helpul for people who are new to cryptocurrencies to reflect upon what they are doing when they become involved with cryptocurrencies and how they can actually invest in a certain cryptocurrency.

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I think we should do something more revolutionary: Build an own payment system in cooperation with the Top Ten cryptos. We shouldn´t think in isolated application, we´re not back in Bitcoin times. I think Quark´s doing great on its own but long term there will only be integrated solutions. Cryptos shouldn´t be all competetive, we´re here for a similar goal.

1. We gather a pack of commited members from crypto communities that are capable and creative to push this project.
2. We create a crypto foundation with representants from every coin in the board
3. We raise money from every community and get this thing blasting.

Imagine our thunderclap x 10. This is a chance to mark a difference between serious coins and the rest.

That´s the point. The price of QRK is of any importance. Infrastructure matters, creativity matters, community matters. When I became part of the community, QRK was at 0.0001 BTC and 0.10$. The price dropped but community activity was pumped and Quark is more alive than ever. We managed to unite different taskforces and we as community are developing the necessary infrastructure to keep Quark going.

It´s a vibrant playground and the kids are out to play

It´s already a great success. You´ve done an awesome job, Vic. To the 500 and beyond!

I respect your opinion and I agree on the part that working on infrastructure is currently priority 1. Still I don´t see how the current crypto system will level out the negative effects the intransparency about distribution has. Quark is affected by this intransparency in a different way than cryptos like Bitcoin. And again: I don´t see buying a coin as investment. Investing is supporting community projects and spending money on infrastructure projects. The rest is speculation/gambling.

"No way will demurrage be introduced, i have seen zero successful coins implement this idea. The very idea of it seem insane to most people. Forced to spend your coins or they are taken away just sounds crazy."

That´s not a valid argument.
1st of all Noone succeeded so it never will? Apply this argument to Bitcoin at early stages and there you have it.
2nd there are already successful currencies with demurrage on a regional basis and they have a solid infrastructure unlike most cryptos. This is one example: http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Chiemgauer

People called the Chiemgauer insane before and they were wrong. The system turns out to work pretty well since 2003. Ideas that don´t apply with the mainstream are usually rejected on the basis of common sense assumptions and not on facts.

I have no problem if the community doesn´t like the idea. This is just my contribution to a general discourse. But I think we should get the arguments straight. Therefore I´d like to tackle some aruments used to reject demurrage:

- "Freicoin is a failure": Still, it already exists for quite some time. One of the reasons they are still alive is that they have a community that has ties to peer groups who want to push the idea of freigeld in real life. That´s a plus many cryptocoins don´t have. It´s simply unfair to say that it is a failure.

- "It is no fun watching your coins slowly disappear everytime you open your wallet"
As far as I see, they disappear only with transactions (which I consider to be a minus), but anyway. Even if the count of your Quark doesn´t diminish it changes value everyday. ALso, if you can´t buy anything with Quark they have no real but only speculative value. If it has real value, you can use your Quark without loss. You only lose if you use them to speculate. If Quark really want´s to be the better money then it needs to mature from speculative currency to real currency, then demurrage won´t be a problem at all. The question is, whether we want to go there and if yes, why it would be a problem if we reached the point.

- "You want people to spend?"
Thats not the point of demurrage. Demurrage is a mechanism that keeps people from accumulating money, so it´s not about pressing people to buy but about avoiding bubbles and currency instability. Even if the distribution of Quark isn´t as bad as people say, there is like with most, maybe all cryptocurrencies a huge disparity between small and fat wallets. Also, and even more important, because of the fact that you don´t know how many individuals control how many addresses (which is a good thing from a privacy point of view) there will always be a huge insecurity about whales. Whales who believe in Quark and are therefore not selling-off are good because they artificially level up it´s value but if they lose confidence they can easily cause a currency crisis with many small holders loosing a lot of their money. Actually it happened on small scale some time ago. This is worse than decounting 5% a year of the money you didn´t spend because you had no use for it.
This is not a problem of Quark, it is a crypto problem in general and it will always be like this because cryptos are (fortunately) pseudonymous. I am also not saying that whales are in general a problem. To Quark they are currently more important than ever - but in the future we need measure that will lead to a better distribution because it will make the currency more stable, thus more interesting for real-life-users who don´t want to lose 20% of their value in a week.

Again, demurrage is no punishment. It is a measure to make sure that a currency is used as what it is: an instrument and to prevent people from treating it as inherent value which it is not.

P.S.: I agree that POS is not needed. In fact I believe it would have a negative effect on distribution, thus exchange rate stability.

As someone suggested earlier, it was me killing Quarkbar by inviting to join the original Quark community

Yeah, that should be the best idea, so we don´t get stuck with one layout only.

I know that behaviour from other scams. They can´t explain it because it is a scam, so they act as if they would have explained it already. Stay away from this coin, clean your machines, save your wallets.

I´m not killing anything, are you mad? I am just informing people who are obviously interested in the specs of Quark about alternatives in case QBar kills itself. People can an will decide on their own where they spend their hashrate. Jesus....

Why would I, I also mined QuarkBar. What´s your point? A good cryptocurrency or you making money? Seems to be the latter only.

Maybe you just get into the real Quark and support the community projects Lately, the community managed to finish a lot of important projects:

- Trading on BTer, Cryptsy, Vault of Satoshi...
- Promovideos in different languages (English, Russian, Chinese)
- Paymentprocessor
- Merchants adoption
- QuarkLabs
and many others...

Quark is a community product with potential. United we are stronger.

Actually a good moment to place your add on www.millionquarks.org

Quarks will roll! 

There are many pathetic things in the altcoin community, with coin hating being the most pathetic.

You obviously didnt get the point of my argument.  I didnt say that the price was driven by infrastructure,  I said that infrastructure is a tangible asset which ensures a sustainable value. This value can be at a much lower rate as the current price but it will save those coins with infrastructure from disappearing after pump & dumps because there reasons to hold. With Quark many people invested in community projects and they are more likely to stick with the community then it is the case with coins where people just invested in the coin itself - see Pandacoin.

What coins do you hold and why? To make money or to work for the prospect of a different financial order?

..which is a problem for people who want to make fast profit by mining but not for user and community miner

Don´t want to wave the Quark banner but you are contradicting yourself. On the one hand you say that cryptocurrencies can´t be undervalued on the other hand you call Quark a dead project - which is saying that it is overvalued/has 0 value. The whole cryptoscene is dominated by chit-chat and self-fulfilling prophecies and you are just another example like the guy who says that Quark is undervalued.

Beyond that it is not true that cryptocurrencies have no tangible assets. Cryptocurrencies do not exist in empty space, they have (or haven´t) infrastructure that supports their use. The value of Bitcoin e.g. is founded mostly on the network, of the exchanges that list it, the apps that were written for it, even this forum contributes to a sustainable value of Bitcoin. Same goes with every other Altcoin. If your coin is intended to pump and dump only, like Pandacoin, you have mostly anything but trade. But there are many coin - and Quark is one of them - where you can see people actually working for the coin and developing cool projects. This, of course, doesn´t mean that this will be reflected in the price shortterm, but it will long term.

Lol, "I hold the good coins, everything else is premine"

Haha, same thought here.