Насколько я поняла из обсуждения, LiveCoin обнаружили уязвимость раньше, чем разработчики соизволили заштопать дырку и опубликовали соответствующий патч.

- а понятно, посмотрел курсы xmr , они действительно wexанутые.  
Просто я искал про атаку 51% на xmr и не нашёл, а оказывается  год назад была проблема и совсем другая, а её до сих пор не решили.

The entire issue still revolves around 1 person's complaints against Livecoin. Insolvency would likely involve limiting withdrawals across several other coins than just the 2 they have issues with. You can bet far more than one customer would be complaining about it here. Who else commenting in this thread besides OP has been negatively affected by Livecoin?

From their response in this thread they stated that they could/would unlock OP's account, did they not? And if the OP did as LiveCoin claims, threat their staff (we don't have the full details) then there may be more to this than what is being displayed here.

But now you are just making assumptions of what happened, no? Do you have full records of what was said between the OP and or LiveCoin and their staff? I don't and have seen no such thing as of yet either. If we are to act solely on assumptions then there's some other prominent scam accusation that coincidentally QS is involved in where some of you need to step in and tag the user/s in question.

OK, so a guy has a problem with an exchange in 2018, and shows up over a year later to demand his funds - something he had given up pursuing for one reason or another - now that BTC has risen back out of its slump. Livecoin collects between $50k and $90k per day in trading fees. Seems to me like if they believed they were at fault, they would simply compensate this user for their losses, which is a comparatively small amount of money.

The only reason they are not giving in to the user's demands is because they believe he is in the wrong and they are in the right. And according to their Terms of Service (like them or hate them), they are right. Should the language in their ToS be updated to sound like they are not looking for reasons to with-hold user funds? Absolutely, I don't disagree with that part.

Livecoin was one of the first exchanges to notify Monacoin of the selfish miner attack, posting this in the Monacoin thread a full 2 days before Monacoin acknowledged the attack:


The "selfish miner" sent a bunch of bogus coins to the Livecoin exchange (as well as Bittrex and a couple others) and cashed them out for BTC. (BTW, this fraudulent chain of Monacoin is what Livecoin has been referring to as a "trash asset" -- not the real Monacoin itself). Livecoin then issued the following statement in the aftermath:


Deposits and withdrawals of MONA to Livecoin have been suspended since. They supposedly lost around $90k worth of other coins (probably mostly BTC) to the attacker.

I think I can explain why they left the bogus chain "trash asset" up for trade -- they didn't want to just leave their MONA holders with nothing, and perhaps they maintained hope they would someday be reimbursed by the Monacoin devs in the form of MONA, which they could then distribute to their holders.

I suppose the best solution would have been to purchase MONA from elsewhere and recompensate their holders that way, but again, Livecoin firmly felt they were in the right and had not violated their end of the agreement with their users, pointing to clauses denying themselves of liability in the case of "malfunctioning software."

For a long time Poloniex left BitcoinDark (BTCD) on their exchange available for trading, for over a year after it had stopped being mined. There was no way to move it in or out of the exchange, as the project's devs were absorbed by Komodo, yet Poloniex didn't feel the need to disable trading for it, even though it was an utterly useless asset.

My verdict/opinion: they should re-enable the user's account, allow him to sell his "trash asset" version of MONA on the exchange, and take his BTC proceeds off the exchange (0.08 BTC + the converted MONA). Then, bar the user from making future deposits of any sort, effectively closing his account.

Before you burn me, Hhampuz, and everybody else involved at the stake, just stop to take a couple of things into consideration:

- OP is but 1 man representing himself. There have been relatively few complaints against this exchange, and as its been open since 2014, its reputation shouldn't be destroyed over 1 incident. If you want to see what a real scam accusation thread against an exchange that probably is scamming its customers looks like, I invite you to check out the BiteBTC scam accusation thread.

- I highly doubt OP wrote the OP. It looks like he definitely had coaching, and while that does not change the facts, it suggests that his cause may have been furthered by those with ulterior motives. The fact that the usual parties are using this as an excuse to jump down Hhampuz's throat and are hyping the affair as a much bigger calamity than it actually is is hard to ignore.

Мне кажется странным, что человек требует определенно невыполнимой вещи (открытие ввода/вывода) не озвучивает какие предложения ему делала биржа до начала конфликта (Лайв коин утверждает что они были), не озвучивает свой баланс который у него на аккаунте был (я до сих пор помню что у меня примерно лежало на УЖЕ ЗАКРЫТЫХ биржах типа Криптопии и Ликви).

Притом, человек не требует 0.3 бтц назад, а требует именно открытия вывода монет (что странно, так как 0.3 бтц дадут х2 от возможной цены продажи этих 750ти монет по 2 бакса). Это не вписывается в паттерны поведения людей, а я их то насмотрелся на скамах бирж типа Файнекса, БТЦ Е, ВексНЗ, Криптси достаточно.


Могло вполне не хватить стаканов, если есть стакан куда слить условных 2бтц, не значит что он выдержит 4 или 6. Притом монеты то белые, зачем их сразу то выводить резко, они считай станут залинкованы с атакой, и любая другая биржа их уже не примет. А здесь отлежались монетки, и через пол годика/годик можно за ними вернуться.
Да я и не говорю что обязательно участвуешь в атаке 51. Может просто определенная группа лиц это использует как повод/проверку устойчивости биржи, чтобы потом делать какие то свои делишки, я хз.

Может и биржа не права, но опять таки, как я писал уже несколько раз до этого: скринов переписки ДО конфликта и того, что они предложили (а они говорят что предлагали способы решить ситуацию) - нет.
Есть только ситуация: человек требует открыть вывод определенной монеты (что скорее всего приведет к убыткам биржи), биржа сопротивляется, человек пишет на нее негативные отзывы, биржа его блокирует прикрываясь мутным пользовательским соглашением. Комедия прямо.

Не рекомендую торговать на этой бирже, на ней много шиткоинов.

Как я понял, украли 1500 баксов по нынешним ценам (750 MONA * 2 usd ). А инвестировал он целых 0.3 бтц.
Здесь кстати есть шанс что обычный чувак, закинул 0.3 бтц по цене условных 3000-6000 в 2018м, теперь через год смотрит, а биток целых 11 000, самое время попросить у биржи 0.3 бтц назад. Под это дело выдумывается причина в стиле "Не могу вывести соскамленные монеты, не могу пердежом до Луны долететь" и требуется выполнить условие. Понятное дело что биржа ничего такого делать не будет, поэтому, в качестве примирения товарищ попросит свои 0.3 бтц назад. Чтобы и вам хорошо и мне не обидно.

Есть второй вариант, возможность которого зависит от того, было ли на аккаунте что-то кроме монеток МОНА. Если да, то вариант выше, если нет - то вариант со "спящим агентом" скаммера который собственно и совершил атаку 51 более вероятен. Учитывая контингент товарищей в англоветке, а именно нердов которые бабы не нюхали и обиженны на любую биржу (и особенно на СНГшных товарищей, так как у таких ребят много кисок, притом одних из самых красивых в мире) шансы продавить открытие собственно ввода/вывода, чтобы скаммер вывел белые монеты (а объем то как то накачивать нужно было), резко увеличиваются.  

Честно говоря и биржа странно поступила, по некоторым вопросам: взяли и скинули его балансы, первую переписку с ним, объяснили ситуацию мол вывод открыть не можем и забили на него хуй. Значит что-то не чисто, ну как то так выходит.

OP doesn't show proofs of his Livecoin balance (Does he has something except MONA coins on exchanger?)

Дядечка, я же тебя спрашивал на другом форуме, сколько у тебя украл хакер?
Из за какой суммы ты портишь воздух?
Тебя тут уже несколько раз, аргументировано, называли лжецом.
Ты сам себе не надоел?

Let's try again: OP bought MONA tokens ONE YEAR AGO. Not one week, not one month. Where he was all this time?

I see, so according to what bones261 said above the price on Livecoin is significantly lower due to wallets being locked, yes?

So the best solution in this case would be something like, disable the MONA trading pair and allow users to withdraw the MONA that they own, yes? If they were to do that, would you consider yourself being made whole or would there be further issues due to the time it has taken?

Edit: to add I've never worked at an exchange and have no idea how anything works when these things happen.

I'm not trying to attack you, I'm trying to understand.

Are you claiming that LiveCoin owes you 0.3BTC because that is what you paid for a coin that later dropped significantly in value? I understand if the wallet got locked and you could not withdraw/deposit MONA but you could have sold it to BTC at that point, no?

I have no idea what MONA is or what it's value has been, but help me  understand please

One moment: to sell big amount of shitcoins you need at first increase trading volume and adjacent things. That means that some "clean" coins still stored on exchange (they were used for such things) and maybe scammer want them back too. In that case he will use earlier prepared accounts with claims to open withdrawal.

Not excluded that we are witnesses of such scenario.

скандал тут раздули из-за другой монеты))

Зачем врать?

i love math so much
because math can explane everything and raise logic

https://coinmarketcap.com/currencies/monacoin/ monacoin value = 2 euro

750 x 2 = 1500 euro


and, my logic said... an exchange scam 1500 euro?

@izooomrud you think we are stupids? an exchage if want do a REAL scam, do exit scam or steal MORE than 1500 euro


we can use the logic
if i'm an exchange, i do'nt steal 1500 euros and risk a scam accusation
if i want to do a scam, i'm going to exit scam (like other exchange) or simulate a fake hacker steal

You create the narrative anyhow you want it tecshare, but then again were you not accusing me of trying to distract from this scam accusation? What exactly is it you are doing now?

To answer your question though, I'd say my reputation was is worth more than yours so