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181  Alternate cryptocurrencies / Announcements (Altcoins) / Re: Obyte: Totally new consensus algorithm + private untraceable payments on: October 17, 2019, 10:25:56 PM
I remember I've recently got some rewards from the former bytecoin smart contract. Do you know if the airdrop smart contract holds future rewards for a next period, like the next year or so? Or is there any way I can check that in my wallet?

Which smart-contract? Was it Steem attestation, where half of the reward was given right away and half was locked up in smart-contract? This smart-contract doesn't have any periods, it was just one time thing, you got reward for doing it once and half of it was just locked, so you wouldn't dump everything at once.

All the smart-contracts that you have should be visible on Home screen. Other than Steem attestation, smart-vouchers referral system for Real Name Attestation is using also 1 year time-locked smart-contracts when you want to withdraw your referral rewards.
182  Alternate cryptocurrencies / Announcements (Altcoins) / Re: Obyte: Totally new consensus algorithm + private untraceable payments on: October 17, 2019, 10:20:12 PM
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Same with bytes as stablecoin collateral, can't sell the collateral if nobody makes a stablecoin that requires bytes for collateral.
course who builds a house on a crappy foundation

Those who don't listen to whiners FUD, but actually build something because they can see the potential and they have learnt how Obyte really works.
Already 6 rounds of developer contest done with new features on TESTNET, 1 more to go, but you still spreading pathetic FUD.
https://medium.com/obyte/sixth-round-of-obyte-autonomous-agents-developer-contest-6aa89bedd712
nobody builds a stable coin there

Maybe the cryptospace doesn't need any more stablecoins, many exchanges already have multiple. Especially, no need for more stablecoins, where you need to trust someone (Tether, Libra) or which require lot of collateral (Maker DAI).
There has been much more interesting ideas on developers contest than yet another stablecoin.
bro, even if someone wanted to create stablecoin on obyte, they would not do this because of problems with liquidity. Stablecoin must have a liquid collateral, otherwise the whole system will collapse after the first dump. Before writing stupid answers, understand how the collateral system works, what is liquidation and how its triggered

Nonsense, DAI for example is very over-collateralized, so even more volatile altcoin could have even crazier conditions for collateral and liquidation. I think you don't understand the reason why there is the over-collateralization and automatic liquidation when collateral price drops.
There is nothing that would stop somebody to create a stablecoin with autonomous agents. You make it sound like developers build stuff just for themselves to profit and they could not make it profitable in any other way than using it themselves.
You are also assuming that everyone would instantly exchange all their funds to that stablecoin, so there would suddenly be too much bytes to be liquidated. And even if would get liquidated, some lucky one would get lot of cheap bytes and GBYTE would just find a new lower market price.

I am not saying that somebody should do a yet another stablecoin (don't see the need), I am just saying that it can be done even if it is not instant success. Your approach seems to be for everything that nothing cannot be done. Not sure why you are still here, weird fetish.
183  Alternate cryptocurrencies / Announcements (Altcoins) / Re: Obyte: Totally new consensus algorithm + private untraceable payments on: October 16, 2019, 08:25:34 PM
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Same with bytes as stablecoin collateral, can't sell the collateral if nobody makes a stablecoin that requires bytes for collateral.
course who builds a house on a crappy foundation

Those who don't listen to whiners FUD, but actually build something because they can see the potential and they have learnt how Obyte really works.
Already 6 rounds of developer contest done with new features on TESTNET, 1 more to go, but you still spreading pathetic FUD.
https://medium.com/obyte/sixth-round-of-obyte-autonomous-agents-developer-contest-6aa89bedd712
nobody builds a stable coin there

Maybe the cryptospace doesn't need any more stablecoins, many exchanges already have multiple. Especially, no need for more stablecoins, where you need to trust someone (Tether, Libra) or which require lot of collateral (Maker DAI).
There has been much more interesting ideas on developers contest than yet another stablecoin.
184  Alternate cryptocurrencies / Announcements (Altcoins) / Re: Obyte: Totally new consensus algorithm + private untraceable payments on: October 16, 2019, 04:20:29 AM
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Same with bytes as stablecoin collateral, can't sell the collateral if nobody makes a stablecoin that requires bytes for collateral.
course who builds a house on a crappy foundation

Those who don't listen to whiners FUD, but actually build something because they can see the potential and they have learnt how Obyte really works.
Already 6 rounds of developer contest done with new features on TESTNET, 1 more to go, but you still spreading pathetic FUD.
https://medium.com/obyte/sixth-round-of-obyte-autonomous-agents-developer-contest-6aa89bedd712
185  Alternate cryptocurrencies / Announcements (Altcoins) / Re: Obyte: Totally new consensus algorithm + private untraceable payments on: October 14, 2019, 06:17:47 PM
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Anybody can make stablecoin collateralized with bytes on Obyte
bytes is illiquid asset. You can't use it as collateral, because if you need to liquidate it, you will crash the market and cause liquidation of the rest collateral. Your stable currency will crash like a house of cards

That's same nonsense as saying that can't trade GBYTE because there is no liquidity. If you don't put your bytes to order book and just talk that there is no liquidity, of course, then there is no liquidity. Less complaining and more doing.

I haven't yet had problems buying/selling GBYTE, I just put the order up near market price and within 12 it usually gets filled. If somebody decided to crash the price meanwhile, I adjust the price to market price and it gets filled in next 12 hours. So far, never taken more that 24 hours, price volatile enough to fill any order near market price.

Same with bytes as stablecoin collateral, can't sell the collateral if nobody makes a stablecoin that requires bytes for collateral.
186  Alternate cryptocurrencies / Announcements (Altcoins) / Re: Obyte: Totally new consensus algorithm + private untraceable payments on: October 14, 2019, 06:33:09 AM
Should be started from scratch.

Same code, but with at least one person understanding marketing. Restart as a stable coin pegged to eur / us / Y or something.

Coca Cola just puts regular water into plastic bottles and the enduser price is x10. If you don't how to turn your product into something
valuable: ask a professional.

Agree, seems right now  Obyte is out of touch with the ppl needs . Formally, the Obyte foundation has been created, but the results of its activities are not yet visible and marketing, if any, is doing turtle steps.


If people need is fiat-backed stablecoin then I think these people have missunderstood one of the main points of any cryptocurrencies.
None of the fiat-backed cryptocurrencies are decentralized, you basically trust some company that they will give you back the fiat currency of your bags worth. There are many coins like that, basically every exchange creates one now, go load up your bags.

Anybody can make stablecoin collateralized with bytes on Obyte, make a grant proposal if you have a team to build it, autonomous agents will enable you to make them decentralized way, but native token pegged to USD just doesn't make sense.
187  Alternate cryptocurrencies / Announcements (Altcoins) / Re: Obyte: Totally new consensus algorithm + private untraceable payments on: October 14, 2019, 06:16:24 AM
The market is very bad, many people slowly lose confidence

Same with every other coin out there after almost 2 years of bear market.

Exactly. In fact on most of the threads I have bags on, most posts are just complaints and incessant whining. I guess it can't be helped that people lose their shit when their coin investment lost 95% of its value. And not a single coin was spared.

Bitcoin is down a little over 50% from all time high. Byteballs are down over 98% from ath. Not exactly the same level of destruction there.

Are you sure that it is not even worse destruction for a market leader who should be bit more stable? That "little over 50% drop is f-ing 150 billion dollars gone from Bitcoin marketcap. That's billion with the B. There was lot of real hard-earned money in there. Most of Obyte holders are those who got the bytes for free, no institutional investors here.
marketcap has little to do with money in orders
150 billion dollars dump could be caused with 500 millions total sell for example. Usually this rate will be very low fir coins from #3 and lower. Like you need $100k sell to dump obyte below $1m cap

it's a not a temporary price swing, there were many people who traded billions of dollars worth of Bitcoin when it was near 20k and now 150 billion of dollars worth of value has gone from their portfolio. You can loose more money with market leader drops 50% then when altcoin drops 95%. All depends on individual investor portfolio, but even if you held the total supply of GBYTE, you would have lost only 1/150 of what Bitcoin lost in value combined.
188  Alternate cryptocurrencies / Announcements (Altcoins) / Re: Obyte: Totally new consensus algorithm + private untraceable payments on: October 14, 2019, 06:06:02 AM
A much long time did not follow byteball,now changed to Obyte.
What's the most important updates for users to get?
As a Delegates DAG coin,create a fully new vision for adoption,but seems the marketcap is not satisfactory.

http://press.obyte.org/timeline
189  Alternate cryptocurrencies / Announcements (Altcoins) / Re: Obyte: Totally new consensus algorithm + private untraceable payments on: October 12, 2019, 09:29:29 AM
The market is very bad, many people slowly lose confidence

Same with every other coin out there after almost 2 years of bear market.

Exactly. In fact on most of the threads I have bags on, most posts are just complaints and incessant whining. I guess it can't be helped that people lose their shit when their coin investment lost 95% of its value. And not a single coin was spared.

Bitcoin is down a little over 50% from all time high. Byteballs are down over 98% from ath. Not exactly the same level of destruction there.

Are you sure that it is not even worse destruction for a market leader who should be bit more stable? That "little over 50% drop is f-ing 150 billion dollars gone from Bitcoin marketcap. That's billion with the B. There was lot of real hard-earned money in there. Most of Obyte holders are those who got the bytes for free, no institutional investors here.
190  Alternate cryptocurrencies / Announcements (Altcoins) / Re: Obyte: Totally new consensus algorithm + private untraceable payments on: October 11, 2019, 01:53:11 PM
Talking to tarmo888 is a waste of time. There's zero chance he will change his mind. It has never happened before and it will never happen. The only thing that always happens is a toxic discussion, name calling and eventually invectives. It always happened before and will always happen. With anybody trying. Again. And again. No matter the arguments you will come up with. It's better to spend your time on something more enjoyable. You can send me 2 cents for saving you time and preventing debilitating frustration.

Not any arguments, bring on the good arguments. Preferably something backed with data, not just opinions, we have internally bunch of opinions too, which are quite useless if they can't be proved.

You used to post normal posts, but it seems that it is you who has turned toxic lately. All you do now is post animated gifs and FUD. Maybe you are pissed that you bags are worthless now, but I can't see how posting FUD will help that, seems like you are digging bigger crave to your bags with every new FUD post.
The market is very bad, many people slowly lose confidence

Same with every other coin out there after almost 2 years of bear market.
191  Alternate cryptocurrencies / Announcements (Altcoins) / Re: Obyte: Totally new consensus algorithm + private untraceable payments on: October 07, 2019, 02:02:58 AM
Talking to tarmo888 is a waste of time. There's zero chance he will change his mind. It has never happened before and it will never happen. The only thing that always happens is a toxic discussion, name calling and eventually invectives. It always happened before and will always happen. With anybody trying. Again. And again. No matter the arguments you will come up with. It's better to spend your time on something more enjoyable. You can send me 2 cents for saving you time and preventing debilitating frustration.

Not any arguments, bring on the good arguments. Preferably something backed with data, not just opinions, we have internally bunch of opinions too, which are quite useless if they can't be proved.

You used to post normal posts, but it seems that it is you who has turned toxic lately. All you do now is post animated gifs and FUD. Maybe you are pissed that you bags are worthless now, but I can't see how posting FUD will help that, seems like you are digging bigger crave to your bags with every new FUD post.
192  Alternate cryptocurrencies / Announcements (Altcoins) / Re: Obyte: Totally new consensus algorithm + private untraceable payments on: October 06, 2019, 06:40:50 PM
The funds are not meant to give away to institutions, they are meant to be distributed to users.
I didn't think I should explain it in full, but since you don't get it I will. Obyte's original plan was to have institutions to act as witnesses. Ask Tonych if you don't believe it. This is difficult, as Tonych lately said. Nevertheless, this goal should still be pursued. Offering bytes to them could ease things. Anyway, they would not accept them if they are not interested, since they wouldn't understand the usefulness of accepting.  It is written "distribution do Institution" but it reads "onboarding institution."
That's makes even less sense. Your great idea is that we should pay companies to become witnesses? Like that is somehow going to work out great.
Or are you suggesting we should cover the fees of doing the witnesses? I am afraid you haven't even researched how witnessing works or how little is needed to run a witness.


* draw airdrop [...] motivates people to hold the bytes, exactly what some people asked for, a motivation to hold.

Yes, it will motivate idiots. You are a dev I guess, have you ever heard of the laws of probability? Lotteries appeal only to VERY stupid people who can't understand probabilities. You have usually a higher chance of getting in a car accident than to win at a lottery - so to base your actions on the hope to win a lottery is totally stupid. Moreover, why would you have to win a "positive" lottery? Perhaps the lottery you end up winning a negative lottery instead - ie the car accident one. So my question now is: is Obyte's plan that of selecting idiots as preferred holders? I guess you know how natural selection works.
By the way, I am holding my bytes - but NOT because of the lottery. In spite of the lottery. I hold bytes because I believe in the project, which is NOT a stupid reason to hold bytes - as it instead would be the lottery reason.
Seems like you just have heard somewhere that lottery is stupid and now applying it to everything that mentions lottery, but Draw Airdrop mentions lottery just because it has elements of lottery, but is nothing like actual lottery.

Draw airdrop doesn't have the same risks that regular lotteries have. Normal lottery is stupid because there is almost certain downside of loosing the ticket price and unlikely chance of winning.
Regular lottery is stupid because you lose $1 and you have 1 of million chance of winning $1 million (minus taxes), you could just donate to government directly instead of participating in lottery.
Draw airdrop, it doesn't cost you anything to participate and you have 1 of 5500 chance of winning 100GB or 1 of 550 chance of winning 100GB if you have done Real Name attestation, which is not comparable how bad regular lottery is. Your only risk is that GBYTE value can go down.


I have acknowledged that there are good ways of distribution, and I deeply respect that. I was just asking for more in substitution of the idiotic way. If there is no new good way, just keep the bytes until a good way appears. I've mentioned the Hedera Hashgraph example for a good reason: patience is an option.
Cannot please everyone, some say that the distribution fund should be spent faster, some say it should be on hold. I think it should have predictable distribution rate, that's probably why the draw airdrop was not totally cancelled, but reduced by exactly the amount that the new distribution, developer contest, spends every 2 weeks. So, the distribution rate would stay the same.


Do you have proof (actual data) that draw airdrop is harming the project or that's just your opinion?
Only my skills in logic, but I understand this will sound very mysterious to you.
As of the argument that it is not producing adoption - which is actually my point - this is self evident, all the bytes go to single people who have already adopted Obyte, which means zero new adopters added.
That's a sh1tty excuse for not doing some research. Actually data is always more important than somebody's opinion. Opinions are like assh0les, everyone has one.
One look at CoinmarketCap and you could have said something smart like: "changing the draw airdrop from every week to every 2 weeks has reduced the trading volume", but you didn't do that. I bet you could not run a successful company by just counting on your gut feeling and not the data. I don't have any data that draw lottery raises or lowers the price, it just seems it affects the volume.

* Then there is grants program, which is not only for developers, anyone can write a proposal project document, but not many do. I guess it is too much work to actually do something that would benefit the community, everybody just wants stuff for free. https://medium.com/obyte/byteball-grants-program-906a71b93d3c
I have to admit I was unaware of the grants for non-developers and I apologize for that. Happy to hear there is this option. Perhaps this part should be put in better evidence for the community.
Another example that you are not into doing some research first before voicing your opinion.


Second of all, pay me a bounty for having suggesting you one first right thing to do.
My two cents - or bytes.
All I can see is that you think that somebody should just give you free bytes for actually not doing anything really, just for writing a random misinformed Bitcointalk post.
You are a dev but you can't properly read or count or both or more likely you may have problems to understand what you've read. Read again. Read better. I've been asking just for 2 bytes - or 2 cents, at your choice. It's probably one of the rare cases in Obyte where to send this "free money" has higher fees that the value of what you would be actually sending.
I think it is you who has problems with reading and writing, you literally say that somebody should pay you a bounty for Bitcointalk post.
"My two cents" expression is used to state that you had an opinion, not how much the bounty should be. Learn English and don't use expressions which you don't have idea when to use them!
193  Alternate cryptocurrencies / Announcements (Altcoins) / Re: Obyte: Totally new consensus algorithm + private untraceable payments on: October 05, 2019, 01:58:49 AM
So, once again, what were the reasons for choosing lottery over equal distribution to holders? I wasn't following the discussion if there was one but I'm sure there were some solid points for such decision.

Don't know the exact reasons, but here are possible reasons:
* the goal of the distribution fund is NOT to spend it as fast as possible. long distribution is preferred because long distribution will give free bytes to more users than just some early adopters.
* Bitcoin airdrop showed that distributing equally to all based on how much they already had didn't create adoption, just more sell off.
* the bigger the lottery reward in real world the more participants it usually draws into it. this worked in the beginning, but new participants on Draw Airdrop has stalled now.
* draw airdrop has predictable 200-400 GB cost after each 2 weeks.
* there are around 500 000 addresses with any history on Obyte.
* each storage unit fits around 100 payment transactions.
* the fee for 500 000 addresses would be up to 275MB (depending how many transactions in each unit and how much to set the minimum balance for airdrop).
* sending transaction to all addresses would waste up to 275MB of every full node disk space.
194  Alternate cryptocurrencies / Announcements (Altcoins) / Re: Obyte: Totally new consensus algorithm + private untraceable payments on: October 04, 2019, 11:28:15 PM
It is so painful to watch such a good project getting down to the most trivial level by distributing bytes through a lottery. Among all the ways I could think at, this is probably the stupidest. It does NOT create adoption. It doesn't motivate anyone intelligent to do anything useful for the project, as only idiots with zero understanding of probabilities believe they can win at a lottery.
It pisses off 99.99% of the holders who never win - which means every week they feel they always lose. Thank you Obyte. Psychology anyone? Obyte may have superb coders, but certainly when it comes to notions of psychology it totally sucks. Zero. Nada. Nichts. ничeгo. 没什么
Other projects out there, like Hedera Hashgraph, have prepared accurate decades-long plans for distributing their coins and achieve decentralization. It's amazing how accurate such plans are (this doesn't mean that their plans don't have flaws, which they have, but at least it's a well thought plan)
I know your objection that you ALSO have good plans of distribution - tech bounties etc.
Fine, then stop with the stupid lottery nonsense and expand your bounty plans. Or try to onboard big institutions and fund them with bytes. Or if you really cannot think at new useful ways to distribute bytes then PAY with bytes people who CAN.
Since you are coders you can think only at making bounties for coders - how stupid can a genious be? Make bounties for the tasks you are totally incompetent for!

Have you ever heard of unknown unknowns? You seem to be rather blind towards the things you ignore - ie you even ignore that you ignore them. Otherwise you would have set bounty programs time ago to reward people able to do what you obviously can't. Or perhaps, as coders you intimately despise any skills which is not connected to coding - and this is why you'd pay bounties only for coders.
So childish.
So first of all please abolish this stupid, useless lottery which is harming the project by waisting bytes that could be spent usefully.
Second of all, pay me a bounty for having suggesting you one first right thing to do.
My two cents - or bytes.


The funds are not meant to give away to institutions, they are meant to be distributed to users. There is around 10% for Obyte Foundation and around 20% for distributing to users left. Just giving large amount to some business for free would look even worse to the community. They can afford to buy the Bytes like everybody else, GBYTE is on sale for quite cheap at the moment.

Do you have proof (actual data) that draw airdrop is harming the project or that's just your opinion?

* Newsflash, draw airdrop doesn't happen every week, it's after every 2 weeks. It is not pointless, it motivates people to hold the bytes, exactly what some people asked for, a motivation to hold.
* Developer contest for Autonomous agents happens also after every 2 weeks. Draw airdrop happens on one week, the developer contest the next week, which makes the distribution fund burn for these 2 distributions around 300 GB per week. This distribution is for people who actually do stuff, but there isn't many of those people, I guess nobody wants to do anything to get free bytes.
* Around 2-3 GB per day is distributed on World Community Grid for people who voluntarily help to do the science calculations https://wcg.report/
* Then there is grants program, which is not only for developers, anyone can write a proposal project document, but not many do. I guess it is too much work to actually do something that would benefit the community, everybody just wants stuff for free. https://medium.com/obyte/byteball-grants-program-906a71b93d3c
* There is also Real Name attestation, on which anybody can get their document verified and a private KYC profile into their wallet app. Distribution funds are used to pay Jumio for doing this, give reward to users for doing this and reward users who invite others to do it.

These 5 distribution methods are not the only ones, but they are probably the biggest at the moment. You can come up with better methods and share it with the community, but you probably won't come up with anything better (more viral and less abused) https://medium.com/obyte/distribution-methods-revisited-we-need-you-b0a38800b722

All I can see is that you think that somebody should just give you free bytes for actually not doing anything really, just for writing a random misinformed Bitcointalk post.
195  Alternate cryptocurrencies / Announcements (Altcoins) / Re: Obyte: Totally new consensus algorithm + private untraceable payments on: September 29, 2019, 11:03:55 PM
Thank you for your explaination.

Unfortunately this is very unsatisfying situation.

I wanted to sell (send) BB from exactly 10 UXTOs.
This is already too much?? Really?

How can i determine the denomination of a single unspend transaction?

Not sure how to see UTXOs or denominations of blackbytes, I think it is not displayed anywhere in app. What you can see is how much blackbytes you have on different addresses of currently selected wallet, for that you need to click gear icon on home screen, then Advanced and then Wallet information and then scroll down to Balance by Addresses.
196  Alternate cryptocurrencies / Announcements (Altcoins) / Re: Obyte: Totally new consensus algorithm + private untraceable payments on: September 29, 2019, 04:04:10 PM
Blackbytes never listed on centralized exchanges, only listed on https://blackbytes.io/

Hello!

I just tried to place an order for selling blackbytes for a certain ratio.

When i want to transfer the blackbytes to the bots address i get an error message:
"Too many messages, try sending a smaller amount"

What's going wrong here??

Thx and regards,
djoser.

Blackbytes have denominations like banknotes. Each message describes how much banknotes should be sent from previously unspent outputs. Each storage unit (transaction) can have limited number of messages, so you should place an order in smaller amounts because you have probably too many different unspent outputs and denominations.
197  Alternate cryptocurrencies / Announcements (Altcoins) / Re: Obyte: Totally new consensus algorithm + private untraceable payments on: September 26, 2019, 09:36:41 PM
i be told the private coins unlisted from the exchange  Huh

Blackbytes never listed on centralized exchanges, only listed on https://blackbytes.io/

I often wonder when will blackbytes have a decent trading volume in that site you mentioned. I personally like blackbytes, but how can I pay someone with it when it is not easily convertible. And anything needing a private transaction is very valuable and expensive. Maybe Obyte lead team should look into it - re: trading and adoption.

You are asking multiple things from it: high volumes and privacy. Blackbytes are not really suitable as speculative asset because they should be only traded P2P without any middlemen between. Otherwise it would loose its privacy features if large volume would go through some single entity.
198  Alternate cryptocurrencies / Announcements (Altcoins) / Re: Obyte: Totally new consensus algorithm + private untraceable payments on: September 26, 2019, 12:22:26 PM
i be told the private coins unlisted from the exchange  Huh

Blackbytes never listed on centralized exchanges, only listed on https://blackbytes.io/
199  Alternate cryptocurrencies / Announcements (Altcoins) / Re: Obyte: Totally new consensus algorithm + private untraceable payments on: September 17, 2019, 02:21:28 PM
Most likely they are talking about the Weekly Draw. It was announced here in the thread and on a Medium post last December 2018. If you are curious about the details, you are free to visit the given links...

Thanks for this very fast and detailed answer. As always I am too late because Weekly Draw was planed only for 6 months and started in December 2018.

Weekly draw is a new distribution method that rewards Byte holders...

How long will this distribution last?

We plan to run these draws weekly. There is no specified end date but we hope to run the draws for at least 6 months. Needless to say, the weekly draws cannot last forever (only 1 million GB of Bytes and 2.1111 million GBB of Blackbytes will ever exist)... The first draw is on Friday Dec 14 at 12:00 UTC...

I thought it was for all holders but there was an additional requirement to whitelist the Obyte address to be eligible for the Weekly Draw.

So I understand that not much left to distribute?

No, it was said that it will run AT LEAST 6 months. It started only with 1 draw every week, then changed to 2 draws every week and now is 2 draws every 2 weeks. Next draw is on 20.09.2019 http://draw.obyte.org/

There are half a million addresses on Obyte, distributing to all addresses doesn't make any sense because we don't know, which addresses people still have access and which ones not. Also, if you add a Real Name attested address or Steem attested address with more than 60 reputation then you have bigger chances to win on next draw.
200  Alternate cryptocurrencies / Announcements (Altcoins) / Re: Obyte: Totally new consensus algorithm + private untraceable payments on: September 16, 2019, 04:27:10 PM
I have to give my Iphone to Apple assistence for changing the battery, and I'm having an attested multisig wallet on the iphone - which of course I wouldn't like lo lose. Of course I'd empty that address containing bytes, but how to avoid that some rogue Apple employee makes a backup of the wallet for himself? One solution seemed to backup the wallet and erase Obyte entirely, but after I've made the backup I didn't find any way to restore it since iphone cannot locate the file.
Is therefore the Obyte app for Iphone actually useless, since you'll have to delete it with all its addresses first time you need to change the phone's battery?

You can set the "Request password" from "Spending Restrictions" section on Settings screen, then they can clone your wallet, but they won't be able to do much with it.
Restoring the backup should be in the same places where making the backup is, in the app on Settings screen. Make sure you have the latest version because earlier iOS versions didn't have fully fleshed out backup system, but it should work on recent systems. Try to save the backup in folder that can be accessed.

Thanks. Since by now my phone is already in their hands, with just emptied wallets, would it work all the same if I'll password protect the wallet later, before loading it again with coins? Would a backup of an unprotected wallet stay unprotected? IE is the password protection local or dag stored, affecting that address wherever it is?
As for the backup, we are talking about Iphone, not Android, I'm not aware of any folder you can access on Iphone. Before giving an answer you should have tried it successfully yourself. I have tried it for almost an hour, without any success. So either there is a way - in which case I'd like to read a precise tutorial - or there is no way, in which case you'd better remove the backup function from the Ios wallet.

User on Discord said that they tried to backup and restore on iPhone and it worked as it was suppose to work by either saving the backup to "files" or to cloud service (Dropbox).
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