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61  Alternate cryptocurrencies / Announcements (Altcoins) / Re: karmarewards.me on: September 26, 2014, 09:02:38 AM
I personally think this is a great idea. The "current" team already stole the coin from a dev they claimed was not doing anything to push the coin forward (which is what is also happening now), so kosmost just went ahead and set up the extra websites, the LLC etc. He did not ask some team for permission. You should not have to either. In fact people should be happy that you want to take it forward but they are still attached to their prophet OR they dislike the sound of yet another prophet.

I htink I lost my money to whoever dumped that 1.5 billion or how much it was a couple of weeks ago (just before the Lill.com news and before the LLC was shut down). I still have the karma I just dont think it will recover..

Really sad, but I just got a loan for ~150 btc and i am going to go travel the world for a while. A long while. Maybe the coin can recover now that more people are creating infrastructure but I seriously doubt it.


you didn't lose any money if you didn't sell. If you sold at a loss then that was your choice to lose money.

as for creating Karma 2.0 etc with an entirely new blockchain, I agree there is nobody stopping anyone from doing this. there are coins called Bitcoin 2.0 and bitcoin scrypt nobody stopped them either.
were they successful? well that is for history to judge. if you create a better offering then the community will naturally follow you if you don't then the community will stay where it is.. that is the nature of a free market.

givecoin was already clone of Karma that failed, Karma ofcourse was a clone of litecoin which was a clone of bitcoin...  people are welcome to create more clones and succeed or fail based on their own efforts.

all I can say is that I wont be leaving this coin unless it is hijacked by someone with bad intentions.
so I will continue to develop for this coin.
people are free to come and go as they please.

enjoy your trip around the world.. there are much more interesting things to see than endless posts about the price of Karma and complaints about dumping lol


+1
62  Alternate cryptocurrencies / Announcements (Altcoins) / Re: karmarewards.me on: September 26, 2014, 08:25:33 AM
Kosmost ressurected karma and he also killed karma...

I don't think that is a fair assessment.  Kosmost did what was right and just (and smart) -- IMHO -- though his intent was honorable I do not believe that the SEC was going to agree with him.

Move along, dump your coins, I've dumped mine and am closing down whatever karma-related stuff i run. It was fun but never real.

You're not the last I'm afraid.  Without a purpose and a highly visible, accountable leadership team this coin is going die a slow but steady death.  Hashpower will continue to drop (on the plus side the overall power on the X11 Givecoin chain http://2givecoin.info has picked up in the last couple of weeks) -- once the exchanges start dropping it, its all but a stampede until the music stops.

Luckily I only lost about 2 btc myself (which was A LOT for me). Cheeers people.

I'm sorry for your loss!  That sucks Sad

Where do you think that 2 BTC went?  It's very likely you know the individual given how small this community is.

This is what I mean by "horse trading"  -- you guys are just swapping coins with each other.  And the fact that even the whales don't seem keen on keeping the music going on the exchanges for what?  .2 BTC / week is very telling of their commitment to the coin...

Since few seem keen on doing the reverse-split -- what do you think would happen if someone just started up "KARMA2" ?  Or karmarewards.me ?  (like I just did)



Reset the whole thing and make the distro more equitable.

After all...you all keep saying how open and free everyone is to use the name and the codebase...

-dvd
I personally think this is a great idea. The "current" team already stole the coin from a dev they claimed was not doing anything to push the coin forward (which is what is also happening now), so kosmost just went ahead and set up the extra websites, the LLC etc. He did not ask some team for permission. You should not have to either. In fact people should be happy that you want to take it forward but they are still attached to their prophet OR they dislike the sound of yet another prophet.

I htink I lost my money to whoever dumped that 1.5 billion or how much it was a couple of weeks ago (just before the Lill.com news and before the LLC was shut down). I still have the karma I just dont think it will recover..

Really sad, but I just got a loan for ~150 btc and i am going to go travel the world for a while. A long while. Maybe the coin can recover now that more people are creating infrastructure but I seriously doubt it.


Actually, I am not sure how can someone be on the loosing side with Karma. This is a coin with great fluctuations and so possibilities for making profits. I will always be on profit when trading Karma, cause I know how to and when to. What you are suggesting though will make all of this FUBAR for the rest of the 600-700 people that doesn`t come here and doesn`t read the thread, just because you made a wrong move and you want to revenge at all cost. But at the end who will suffer? The people that bought Karma and keep it for the long run. No one else. Do you think this is right? Keep calm. It will take time, but the things will become better.
63  Alternate cryptocurrencies / Announcements (Altcoins) / Re: [ANN][KARM] Karma /₭/ NEW! X11 + Time Warp + More (pg.140) SIDECHAIN+ (pg. 143) on: September 26, 2014, 07:45:06 AM
Due to lack of connection I am not able to be active. And to be honest, I am not very excited about Karma ATM. Despite of my conn problems I have managed to chat with some Karmanians in my country and this is what we think:
Try to learn lessons from the recent bitcoin price drop. The investors are holding and recognizing crypto currencies as some sort of gold or token, but not as a tool to purchase goods. Did the acceptance of bitcoin in Newegg and Paypal increased the price? No. They are massively selling bitcoins to buy Alibaba stocks from IPO, cause it is more profitable to have stocks than bitcoins ATM. Why aren`t they using bitcoins to save money when buying goods from Newegg? Mmm? For a purchase of 550$ with bitcoins a 150$ can be saved. So, good luck with the Philippines affair. To us this proves that for now Karma should stick to it`s technical nature, as I have said many times (why no one is listening - I don`t know.). Just remember what I have said in March and Arpil about reverse split, X11 and PoS. X11 happened at August. PoS didn`t, but we don`t need it anymore. The supply of coins is really good now. The time for reverse split is gone with the X11 fork. We have missed the moment. Now is too late for this discussion. If somebody is concerned about the BTC market, he should remember what Mintpal have said about the removal - Coin has less than 0.2 BTC volume per week, for a period of 4 weeks. So if this community can not trade Karma for 0.2 BTC once in a month for a whole week, we definitely don`t deserve to be on the BTC market. So simple. ATM we are talking about 70$. Trade or die with our bags of Karma. I have always liked kosmost`s vision about all the things he wanted to achieve with Karma. Except chasing Philippines or whatever and selling lill. Lill was meant to be a fully integrated with Karma and become a whale search engine in crypto world, not to provide few bitcoins for 100-200 Karmanians. And this is still achievable. Our concerns are not about who will take core services, but for the total lack of vision. Our suggestion is to ask kosmost nicely, very nicely, if he is willing to share his vision about the developing of eyeQ, Hireplex, Wespond and of course Lill. And to provide estimation of money and time to achieve the goals. And to decide what will take to bring back on the table these projects. Again, today`s problem is not who will take the core services, but the lack of vision and achievable goals. If a vision and goals are presented and accepted well from the community, I am sure that more people will become active.

Good luck guys.  Smiley

people hold on to bitcoin because it is still on its early days. seriously. Bitcoin is still so new. Also price didnt fall due to alibaba IPO. There is a huge amount of whales who control bitcoin prices. The ebay news had some effect. Price went from 380 to 430. Which also prooves that Inside trading was in effect. all three bitcoin ,litecoin and doge rose before the ebay and Okcoin/bitstamp jointure. again. price of bitcoin now compare to last year is a big difference. So tons of people are holding on to it because technically they bout it on the rise. We saw tons of people using bitcoin to buy things when the price was $900-1000. 

its never late for reverse split. especially since we got like.. 5 services and 4 pools. thats all we got to worry to update  Wink


I said it. Kosmost is more then welcome to bring back his project. only this time he should be more clearer on his intention. I dont want any kind of payments. him bring his project would give karma more things to be used for. I dont want to gain any dividents or payments from his projects.



The real problem karma is suffering is the lack of people getting involved and big investors. if we had this two groups then we would be flying up in charts. building structures and having the financial support.   

If the community really cares about this coin as much as they type here all they got to do figure our which group they are and join to help!

Are you some one who wants to help or are you some one who can support the people who want to help?


As I have posted before, I doubt anyone will want to get involved with Karma, after the departure of 2 devs for 5 months. I am considering myself as a part of this group. This is possible only if clear results are achieved or the price is pumped significantly. This is the reality. Of course, maybe someone who want to take the trademark and abuse it, will pretend he will make the best for Karma and then disappear with the trademark in his pocket. This is my main concern. Big investors comes where the big profits are or at least huge potential for profits, not where the big intentions for charity are lying. Karma is an open source project, with independent community members/investors/miners with the best name and if somebody wants to and can contribute, she/he is welcomed to do so. About the reverse split - yes, why not. I don`t think this will do wrong. Maybe the time is not the best, but it is a change. And Karma need changes ATM. And you are all making big mistake since day 1 by not recognizing our miners as the biggest investor in Karma. But they are.
64  Alternate cryptocurrencies / Announcements (Altcoins) / Re: karmarewards.me on: September 26, 2014, 05:52:50 AM
Kosmost ressurected karma and he also killed karma...

I don't think that is a fair assessment.  Kosmost did what was right and just (and smart) -- IMHO -- though his intent was honorable I do not believe that the SEC was going to agree with him.

Move along, dump your coins, I've dumped mine and am closing down whatever karma-related stuff i run. It was fun but never real.

You're not the last I'm afraid.  Without a purpose and a highly visible, accountable leadership team this coin is going die a slow but steady death.  Hashpower will continue to drop (on the plus side the overall power on the X11 Givecoin chain http://2givecoin.info has picked up in the last couple of weeks) -- once the exchanges start dropping it, its all but a stampede until the music stops.

Luckily I only lost about 2 btc myself (which was A LOT for me). Cheeers people.

I'm sorry for your loss!  That sucks Sad

Where do you think that 2 BTC went?  It's very likely you know the individual given how small this community is.

This is what I mean by "horse trading"  -- you guys are just swapping coins with each other.  And the fact that even the whales don't seem keen on keeping the music going on the exchanges for what?  .2 BTC / week is very telling of their commitment to the coin...

Since few seem keen on doing the reverse-split -- what do you think would happen if someone just started up "KARMA2" ?  Or karmarewards.me ?  (like I just did)



Reset the whole thing and make the distro more equitable.

After all...you all keep saying how open and free everyone is to use the name and the codebase...

-dvd

We will start to be suspicious about your intentions about Karma. IMO this would be the worst thing somebody can do.

Me, personally, I am not sure why are you talking all the time about bringing structure and management. What do you expect and from who do you expect what by saying such things? How exactly, and be specific please, do you imagine to bring structure? And you will manage what? People, technology, services, etc? These are reasonable questions. I hope you will find time to answer them. Thank you.

P.S. Karma is not a charity coin. Keep this in mind.
65  Alternate cryptocurrencies / Announcements (Altcoins) / Re: Of Miners and Whales... on: September 26, 2014, 05:45:02 AM
Are you some one who wants to help or are you some one who can support the people who want to help?

I am both.  As well as potential investor with more than coins to prop up the (false) economy.  I have resources like permanent wallet build lab at a real office space near several universities.

I have vision for this coinbase that puts it in non-miners hands -- to distribute it to the masses -- based on its original intent and promises.  To make it a physical real-world tipping coin to socialize it out with waitstaff -- print pretty metal foil wallets that ALSO become collectors items.  Allow people to download the wallet or store them somewhere and then make the paper wallets ALSO worth something -- like a trading card.  Create a BOUNTY program for people to turn them in at vendors in the real world for exchange.

It's IDEAS like these that I can bring to a coinbase like Karma or Give.

But I'm not going to buy or beg or borrow to acquire the coins in its current form.

You have a GREAT name and an original mission that has become perverted and in-ward focused on miners and whales.  

Who do you think is going to win that battle?

The whales have essentially made slaves of the miners...

-dvd

What is stopping you now to become real investor and start implementing your vision into real services?
66  Alternate cryptocurrencies / Announcements (Altcoins) / Re: [ANN][KARM] Karma /₭/ NEW! X11 + Time Warp + More (pg.140) SIDECHAIN+ (pg. 143) on: September 25, 2014, 04:21:07 PM
Due to lack of connection I am not able to be active. And to be honest, I am not very excited about Karma ATM. Despite of my conn problems I have managed to chat with some Karmanians in my country and this is what we think:
Try to learn lessons from the recent bitcoin price drop. The investors are holding and recognizing crypto currencies as some sort of gold or token, but not as a tool to purchase goods. Did the acceptance of bitcoin in Newegg and Paypal increased the price? No. They are massively selling bitcoins to buy Alibaba stocks from IPO, cause it is more profitable to have stocks than bitcoins ATM. Why aren`t they using bitcoins to save money when buying goods from Newegg? Mmm? For a purchase of 550$ with bitcoins a 150$ can be saved. So, good luck with the Philippines affair. To us this proves that for now Karma should stick to it`s technical nature, as I have said many times (why no one is listening - I don`t know.). Just remember what I have said in March and Arpil about reverse split, X11 and PoS. X11 happened at August. PoS didn`t, but we don`t need it anymore. The supply of coins is really good now. The time for reverse split is gone with the X11 fork. We have missed the moment. Now is too late for this discussion. If somebody is concerned about the BTC market, he should remember what Mintpal have said about the removal - Coin has less than 0.2 BTC volume per week, for a period of 4 weeks. So if this community can not trade Karma for 0.2 BTC once in a month for a whole week, we definitely don`t deserve to be on the BTC market. So simple. ATM we are talking about 70$. Trade or die with our bags of Karma. I have always liked kosmost`s vision about all the things he wanted to achieve with Karma. Except chasing Philippines or whatever and selling lill. Lill was meant to be a fully integrated with Karma and become a whale search engine in crypto world, not to provide few bitcoins for 100-200 Karmanians. And this is still achievable. Our concerns are not about who will take core services, but for the total lack of vision. Our suggestion is to ask kosmost nicely, very nicely, if he is willing to share his vision about the developing of eyeQ, Hireplex, Wespond and of course Lill. And to provide estimation of money and time to achieve the goals. And to decide what will take to bring back on the table these projects. Again, today`s problem is not who will take the core services, but the lack of vision and achievable goals. If a vision and goals are presented and accepted well from the community, I am sure that more people will become active.

Good luck guys.  Smiley
67  Alternate cryptocurrencies / Announcements (Altcoins) / Re: [ANN][KARM] Karma /₭/ NEW! X11 + Time Warp + More (pg.140) SIDECHAIN+ (pg. 143) on: September 19, 2014, 09:55:26 PM
We have had enough of all the anonymous pseudo Messiah! It’s time to provide Karma with a real face and a strong basis.

Totally agree!  I'm not anonymous ;-)

http://linkedin.com/in/dvduccini

It's time for Karma to figure out what wants to be.  IMHO that should be in a lazer focused Non-Profit organization as the steward.

Personally I think it could be used for a total Internet Reputation system as envisioned in:



I tired to read your goals. I don't think i understand them well. but do i need to at this moment?

Except for us having to make a hard choice on who is best to run our site that our beloved Kosmost used to run, you really do not need our decision on how you want to use Karma. Karma use is not controlled by any of us. We just want to be able to have control of current services to make sure no one messes with them. Who ever this party is that will run this it will be on the consensus that they are doing to help karma community and they do not own them. If the community feels like they are not being used properly we deserve the right to have them back.

No one needs them to create a project with Karma. I dont know if anyone can stop anyone from creating a karma service. As long as your service is in good intention and not designed to hurt Karma coin image then i believe you will get the community support and thanks

+1

TheLittleDuke is not a bad guy. I have tried to provoke him several times and he didn`t fall into the trap.Grin Though I am not very happy about his lack of passion about Karma, I think it is very good to have someone like him with a different point of view. But we all know now that no one from now on should ever have total control and total responsibility of the core Karma services and Karma trademark. Maybe even if Kos agree, it will be nice of him to continue to hold the trademark, until final agreement is reached about how to split the holding of the Trademark to several community members. Step by step, all services will be running again, and all bad words will be forgotten, and I hope lessons will be learned. It will just take more time than we think. And no more big promises please.
68  Alternate cryptocurrencies / Announcements (Altcoins) / Re: [ANN][KARM] Karma /₭/ NEW! X11 + Time Warp + More (pg.140) SIDECHAIN+ (pg. 143) on: September 19, 2014, 08:32:24 AM
Not much Karma left in this thread.
I hope some of you are not speaking to other individuals in real life how you practice to write here.

So true. I guess some of you understand why this is happening. If not...
69  Alternate cryptocurrencies / Announcements (Altcoins) / Re: Fire! Ready? Aim.... on: September 19, 2014, 05:38:27 AM
Twice I called you slow. But I think now is the time to fasten your belt sir, cause you are speeding to prove it.

Uhm...not sure what you point is here?  If you think anonymous feedback makes any impact on me you're wasting your breath and keystrokes...

If you guys want to keep doing your "Fire! Ready? Aim..." approach you're going to keep getting the same results that go you here today.

Fundamentally systems thinking informs us that today's "problems" come from yesterdays "solutions"

You all have passion, I'll give you that.  But without a road-map and a plan you're just spinning slowly towards irrelevance.

Your lack of vision and passion about Karma is obvious. Your lack of knowledge about crypto though is amazing since you are pretending to mine from 2010 when top mining GPUs    were at the price of 30-35 bitcoins each.
BTW, nice coffee machine you got there. Every real miner will tell you this. You don't even know what is true mining rig. And don't speculate with age, experience, education and whatever else. Try to imagine that maybe we are not only teenagers here. Such things does not impress us. Only results. And by reading the posts of yours I think Karma will benefit from you....in 30 years. You are slow.
70  Alternate cryptocurrencies / Announcements (Altcoins) / Re: [ANN][KARM] Karma /₭/ NEW! X11 + Time Warp + More (pg.140) SIDECHAIN+ (pg. 143) on: September 18, 2014, 06:30:10 PM

I agree.. give control to Chargin. He is a long standing member of the community and although I don't always agree with him, his heart seems to be in the right place.


+ 1 for Chargin

+ 1
71  Alternate cryptocurrencies / Announcements (Altcoins) / Re: [ANN][KARM] Karma /₭/ NEW! X11 + Time Warp + More (pg.140) SIDECHAIN+ (pg. 143) on: September 18, 2014, 06:29:01 PM


To those who may want to know what the active community members are doing atm for KARMA you are welcome to join us in trello and chat with us in real time using telegram.

Except that you're NOT welcome when you get kicked out for having a neutral position and ask questions Tongue

You know like:

1. What problem does Karma solve?
2. Why should someone be interested in supporting it?
3. What makes Karma different than say Litecoin?
4. Does the community really want to be associated with Dice games?

And here's one for you?

Why are you letting eastagle13 co-opt and drive ?  Alphi claimed the community didn't want another "messiah" and yet, it sure looks like you're following one Tongue



Really?!? Shocked Grin

Twice I called you slow. But I think now is the time to fasten your belt sir, cause you are speeding to prove it.
72  Alternate cryptocurrencies / Announcements (Altcoins) / Re: Lead or Follow or Just Get Out of the Way.... on: September 17, 2014, 02:41:48 PM
Whatever sense of community rules and normative behavior that you think I need to follow for some grand fidelity test to prove worthiness have got you where you are today.  I have no interest in perpetuating that sham.

then become part of the community and stop trying to own it.. its really not that difficult is it?


I'm not trying to own anything.  I was offering a centralized home for servers/services and money for continued development.  I was offering to acquire the trademark and hold in a non-profit for the public trust.   I was offering to bring a sense of order and purpose for the coinbase and community.  Structure.

None of that apparently appeals to you.

And I'm not going to "join" your community by mining for a dead coin that is headed down a path that is no longer pro-social (viz dice games?).  I'm not going to buy your coin to prop it up.  I'm not one of you.  I have no desire to be a "fellow-sufferer"

You know, I wonder how far along Karma would be if people like you spent half the time actually doing something productive for this coinbase instead of coming onto this board trying to show how smart you think you are.  You only have so much time on this planet and I doubt your dying breath will "that'll show them." ;-)

Lead or Follow or Get out the way.


I meant it sincerely that a man is a reflection of the company he keeps.  I can tell you that I have absolutely no interest in being associated with people like you Alphi.  You remind me of those kids who's parents praised them for everything they did as part of the "winningest generation" who in all likelihood are still living in their moms basement :p

All offers rescinded until the community figures out what it wants to be when and if it grows up.

-dvd

BTW I noticed you did not provide ANY comment around what advantage your coinbase offers?  What problems does it solve?  Who is your target audience?  Why do they care?   Maybe start with a SWOT (Strength, Weakness, Opportunities and Threats analysis) to help inform your answers...

Here's a link for the lazy : http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/SWOT_analysis

Thank you for your understanding that any crypto community won`t fit in your nice clean time table. Maybe you will remember what was the first and most important purpose of any crypto coin. Actually bitwho wrote it. As I told you 3 times: this is not the real business world. No one in crypto want to play by such rules. This is a game changer, not a chain to enslave another people to somebody's personal ambitions. Our target audience is everybody. What you clearly don`t understand is that you or anybody else can not run successful coin without having a strong community behind. Your business plans (very vague indeed...) can not compare to the hundreds of karmanians. No matter how slow you are, I am sure you can understand it. It took me 1 day to understand it. I really appreciate your  enlightenment about growing up. Alphi and all other karmanians always knew we must grow.....in numbers.
73  Alternate cryptocurrencies / Announcements (Altcoins) / Re: [ANN][KARM] Karma /₭/ NEW! X11 + Time Warp + More (pg.140) SIDECHAIN+ (pg. 143) on: September 17, 2014, 11:30:06 AM
MINTPAL – PLANS FOR V2 MIGRATION - September 17, 2014
http://blog.moolah.io/2014/09/17/mintpal-plans-for-v2-migration/

Quote
At this stage, we are not removing any coins from V1 in the migration.
74  Alternate cryptocurrencies / Announcements (Altcoins) / Re: [ANN][KARM] Karma /₭/ NEW! X11 + Time Warp + More (pg.140) SIDECHAIN+ (pg. 143) on: September 17, 2014, 12:19:26 AM
It is not so hard to decide what is good for Karma. Give to East Karmacoin.me and let him deal with the community - this is the most important job and no one else can do it better. Give bitwho the wallet, mroysa - accounts for Facebook and other social sites, spread the Karma trademark and its attributes between several members, so no person can have it solely from now on. Continue the research on penetrating Asia or whatsoever. Bring back online lill, handover it to several members and share your vision and thoughts about how development should continue until full integration with Karma. If TheLittleDuke is so good in business development, put back online Wespond, Hireplex, eyeQ and let him decide how to handle and develop these services or just one of them, but without having the technical ownership. Bring back improved PoC model. If you are scared of SEC or something else, than give the core technical ownership to somebody, who is not under the authority of SEC. Why so hard to understand? Like bitwho said, in crypto 99% of the people will continue to see their help only in holding coins. And IMO this will never change. No matter what. Crypto is not a regular business like the others. Your thoughts of new business models don`t apply here. By now you all should understand that people here doesn`t get excited by someone who is willing to give them another 8-5 job without clear and visible results. Two few get passionate to develop crypto coin as their baby and project for life. But when you find someone give him the chance and support and all the trust you have. East, bitwho, Alphi, socoban, altcoingood are the people we should trust. And I don't need my MBA or certificate for stock exchange broker to know this. Spread the services between many persons and let them collaborate. And I don`t see why all the rush. Because of several trolls? The bigger the community, the more ugly trolls will come. So don`t make any promises and continue slowly. This is obviously the best for Karma ATM. Can it be done and how? It is for you to decide. Maybe sacrifice some initial investments I suppose. Maybe these investments will be returned at later stage. Who knows...
75  Alternate cryptocurrencies / Announcements (Altcoins) / Re: [ANN][KARM] Karma /₭/ NEW! X11 + Time Warp + More (pg.140) SIDECHAIN+ (pg. 143) on: September 15, 2014, 09:21:29 PM
I am on impossible place, so I will make this quick, cause I don`t know when the con will drop. LoL  Grin

bassieflup, what?!? Google translate doesn`t work for you very well, does it... Cheesy We are all done with so many threads about different coins produced by dumb suckers like you and their employers. I am doing the same as you - sell at the peak of the price and buy slow when the price is down. And now is perfect time to rebuild Karma wallet. If you were smart, you would know it. But I am not jerking around and spreading FUD. These times are over in crypto. There are smarter people here now. So, good bye, you jerk!

TheLittleDuke - I see you like quotes, so this is especially for you. IF YOU DON`T KNOW WHERE YOU ARE AND WHERE TO GO, COME TO YOURSELF. Do you know how many heavy guys like you came here to give advise on this and that, and at the end somebody else did the job. If you think you are capable to maintain a community like Karma, you are way over your head. Maybe you should change your dealer, cause what you take is seriously damaging your brain. I hope kosmost will not make the mistake to give the coin to somebody as slow as you. Cause if he do it, Karma will succeed. In 30 years..... Meanwhile you can continue to do nothing here and pretending for many things, without giving anything and just waiting to take advantage of the situation.

I hope also kosmost will not make the mistake to give Karma to mroyusa. At the first moment I thought that he is good entry point, but now I see he is only exit point. We must be crazy to expect dedication from somebody, who is involved with God knows how many coins. So this is the time to again give all credits to kosmost, who is always open minded and doesn`t take his decisions based on intuition. The way he think is so cold and efficient that is beyond comprehension. If it was up to me, I would gave Karma until now to some of these 2 guys. But Kos is doing it again the proper way. This is why few or even no one can understand him at all the time.

For only a week I see that East and bitwho reorganized and did so many things (I don`t know exactly how many, cause I am not capable to read all). They are amazing and I don`t find no one else being capable as them. I admire them and I am ashamed that I can`t help them.

Nothing changed for Karma since yesterday. It is still the single greatest coin out there. Time to buy again! I am sorry for all who don`t understand it. Actually, I petty them. You should continue to work in grocery. Crypto investments are not for you.



                   The words you use, say all about you so who is take you serious man.
                   the most of people here use normal words, and not need to insulting people to feel there self better then somebody else.

                  insulting people is a way of weakness

                   And about my english, i can speak dutch to.
                   But i guess you are not that smart, that you understand that.
                   
                   I feel sorry for your frustration, and if i can help in some way let me know.

                   For everybody is a answer, also for you my friend.

                   understand that this replay, is a one time replay because its already to much energy for you.


Ohh, now you see. It is not very good when somebody is trolling at you. Is it? And it is only me with one post. And you are doing nothing for Karma. Now sit down and try to understand how kosmost, easteagle and bitwho are feeling after hundreds of insulting and clearly stupid posts. And these posts come from people with not a single fact on the table.

P.S. I speak Serbian, Macedonian, Russian and Turkish. English is also not my birth language. Perhaps you should go and try to mess with somebody else.
76  Alternate cryptocurrencies / Announcements (Altcoins) / Re: [ANN][KARM] Karma /₭/ NEW! X11 + Time Warp + More (pg.140) SIDECHAIN+ (pg. 143) on: September 15, 2014, 09:11:55 PM
What happens with Lill (Web Search)?

Lil was sold , several dumps  occurred too, goodbye cruel world, Tahiti here I come !

Lill was not sold. Market activity has/had nothing to do with Lill. Please get your 'facts' straight before relaying them to others. Should you have specific questions please let us know.

Why is Lill.com not online anymore?
I hope this question is specific enough.

Why should it be? Is lill some kind of your property? What gives you the right to pretend anything about it? On what basis are you demanding anything at all? Are you alone with yourself or you have somebody else in the head with you? Do you think that your doctor prescribed you a wrong recipe and this is why you can not come to yourself? Are those questions specific enough?
77  Alternate cryptocurrencies / Announcements (Altcoins) / Re: [ANN][KARM] Karma /₭/ NEW! X11 + Time Warp + More (pg.140) SIDECHAIN+ (pg. 143) on: September 15, 2014, 05:42:31 PM
I am on impossible place, so I will make this quick, cause I don`t know when the con will drop. LoL  Grin

bassieflup, what?!? Google translate doesn`t work for you very well, does it... Cheesy We are all done with so many threads about different coins produced by dumb suckers like you and their employers. I am doing the same as you - sell at the peak of the price and buy slow when the price is down. And now is perfect time to rebuild Karma wallet. If you were smart, you would know it. But I am not jerking around and spreading FUD. These times are over in crypto. There are smarter people here now. So, good bye, you jerk!

TheLittleDuke - I see you like quotes, so this is especially for you. IF YOU DON`T KNOW WHERE YOU ARE AND WHERE TO GO, COME TO YOURSELF. Do you know how many heavy guys like you came here to give advise on this and that, and at the end somebody else did the job. If you think you are capable to maintain a community like Karma, you are way over your head. Maybe you should change your dealer, cause what you take is seriously damaging your brain. I hope kosmost will not make the mistake to give the coin to somebody as slow as you. Cause if he do it, Karma will succeed. In 30 years..... Meanwhile you can continue to do nothing here and pretending for many things, without giving anything and just waiting to take advantage of the situation.

I hope also kosmost will not make the mistake to give Karma to mroyusa. At the first moment I thought that he is good entry point, but now I see he is only exit point. We must be crazy to expect dedication from somebody, who is involved with God knows how many coins. So this is the time to again give all credits to kosmost, who is always open minded and doesn`t take his decisions based on intuition. The way he think is so cold and efficient that is beyond comprehension. If it was up to me, I would gave Karma until now to some of these 2 guys. But Kos is doing it again the proper way. This is why few or even no one can understand him at all the time.

For only a week I see that East and bitwho reorganized and did so many things (I don`t know exactly how many, cause I am not capable to read all). They are amazing and I don`t find no one else being capable as them. I admire them and I am ashamed that I can`t help them.

Nothing changed for Karma since yesterday. It is still the single greatest coin out there. Time to buy again! I am sorry for all who don`t understand it. Actually, I petty them. You should continue to work in grocery. Crypto investments are not for you.
78  Alternate cryptocurrencies / Announcements (Altcoins) / Re: [ANN][KARM] Karma /₭/ NEW! X11 + Time Warp + More (pg.140) SIDECHAIN+ (pg. 143) on: September 10, 2014, 02:28:58 PM
I have made a request to all of you to find out and propose somebody new to take the lead. This is just a reminder that until this moment there is no single proposition. All I see are empty accusation. Keep in mind if no person is proposed, no one will do the the work. If no one step up, you know where is this going to. So brainstorm and please propose somebody who is willing voluntarily to spend his/her time for Karma. Run all the services, pay for all of the hosting services when needed, gather a team, rally the community, present vision, strategy, goals, milestones, steps and tasks for achieving the goals. Somebody who for a start is willing to finish the timewarp and automatic checkpoints. And then start working on the sidechain. I don't understand why it is so hard. It is far more difficult to throw some crap here.
79  Alternate cryptocurrencies / Announcements (Altcoins) / Re: [ANN][KARM] Karma /₭/ NEW! X11 + Time Warp + More (pg.140) SIDECHAIN+ (pg. 143) on: September 10, 2014, 11:47:33 AM
Don't believe the trolls that kosmost has done any damage to Karma

instead believe kosmost, Here are some of his recent words
https://bitcointalk.org/index.php?topic=579973.msg8748509#msg8748509

"6) The price of Karma is still higher (nearly 300%) than it was the day before Karmashares was announced, despite all the "dumping" that you guys yell and scream about"

https://bitcointalk.org/index.php?topic=447657.msg6304313#msg6304313 (Karmashares founded April 20 2014.)

APRIL 19, 2014

Mintpal
Karma/Litecoin price  LOW 14 HIGH 30 litoshis
Litecoin/BTC price      LOW 0.025002   HIGH 0.0257003
Bitcoin=501.55 $US coindesk.com


SEPT 10, 2014

Mintpal
Karma/Litecoin price LOW 26 HIGH 40 litoshis
Litecoin/BTC price LOW 0.01055100 HIGH 0.01098000
Bitcoin=473 $US coindesk.com

%Litecoin price difference of APRIL and SEPT = 0,4272323669373509 (43%) (NEGATIVE)
%Karma price difference of APRIL and SEPT = 0.25 (25%) POSITIVE

APRIL 19 2014
IF YOU INVESTED DOLLARS TO KARMA
1000 $US put in karma thru litecoin= 2BTC= 79.75LTC=319 000 000 (ave 25 litoshis)

NOW YOU GET
SEPT 10, 2014
319,000,000 KARMA=105LTC (ave 33litoshis)=1.1530 BTC(highest litecoin price)=545.33 $US

So yes, believe kosmost :"The price of Karma is still higher (nearly 300%)"

He always tell the truth to you.
Awww, now I see it all. Thank you. We don't know why we all missed that. Actually the price when they stepped up was 8 litoshi...
80  Alternate cryptocurrencies / Announcements (Altcoins) / Re: [ANN][KARM] Karma /₭/ NEW! X11 + Time Warp + More (pg.140) SIDECHAIN+ (pg. 143) on: September 10, 2014, 10:52:52 AM
You are overdoing with the movies.
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