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1521  Other / Politics & Society / Re: Obama or Romney ? on: November 05, 2012, 04:27:05 AM
Credit to the American people

Give credit to the American people. I realized that they really don't mind if their president is a Mormon.  They would not mind if the president is pagan or Satan worshiper, as long as he/she is not a Muslim.
Well, he can't be an atheist either, nor can he be bald.
1522  Other / Politics & Society / Re: I acquire property, and through my hard work, improve the land I now own. on: November 05, 2012, 04:03:03 AM
Ok, I'm not even going to retype this stuff for you
http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Coase_Theorem#Criticism

Understand transaction costs or don't, but please stop flapping your mouth about economics. You obviously have no idea what you're talking about. Last time I gave you a supply and demand diagram, you said you didn't understand it because you're "not an economist"... this is INTRO ECON 101 shit, no degree required, take a goddamn class!
Transaction costs are a challenge, one a free market would happily take up. Since governments are so bad at dealing with externalities, it's almost impossible to imagine a free market doing worse.

In fact, governments are probably more vulnerable to externalities and transaction costs than any other organization or operation. Voters have no incentive to educate themselves about the issues, almost no incentive to balance the costs of their actions to other people, and candidates have little to no incentive to plan past the end of their terms.
1523  Other / Politics & Society / Re: I acquire property, and through my hard work, improve the land I now own. on: November 04, 2012, 10:52:37 PM
The stakeholders interest is purely profit. Profit amongst a small group of individuals is not a metric by which the condition of the world should be defined.
The "condition of the world" is just the sum of the conditions of all the parts that compose the world.

I don't see how a tautology is a defensible argument for letting the condition of the world deteriorate.
My point is that there's no special "condition of the world" that needs to be specially protected. The same general protections that preserve the condition of a portion of the world will protect the condition of the entire world if applied to it.
1524  Economy / Gambling / Re: Yet another martingale bot for SatoshiDice (Java app) on: November 02, 2012, 11:19:19 PM
I use such a strategy:

In the morning I deposit 10 BTC and launch the bot.
In the evening I shut the bot down.


Sometimes I see 0 BTC on the balance, but in most cases there are like 20 BTC.
If you specifically configure it for double or nothing, you are much better off just placing a single bet. The Martingale strategy only works if you are trying to win an amount much smaller than the total amount you have to bet.
1525  Bitcoin / Development & Technical Discussion / Re: BIP Draft - Instant Partial Confirmation on: November 02, 2012, 04:28:48 PM
That's exactly what chargebacks let you do. If you obtain some goods then it is charged back, you get the money back but don't have to return the goods.
That's the nature of credit. Credit cards are credit. With credit, there's always a risk that the debtor won't pay the debt. It's not really a double spend because if you chargeback, you haven't spent in the first place. A purchase with a credit card is functionally more like a promise to pay than an actual payment.

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In theory this is not a problem because if you do it repeatedly you get kicked out of the system. In practice it's a huge problem because card fraud/theft is so common, so carders can obtain whatever they want and the people whose card details were stolen don't lose any money, effectively their money gets "double spent" (just the first spend was by somebody else).
If you chargeback a merchant wrongly, the merchant will sue you. They may decide to eat the cost if they thing you're not worth going after. It is important to understand that a chargeback doesn't in any way change how much money you owe and to whom. If the purchase wasn't legitimate, you never owed anyone for it, before or after the chargeback. If the purchase was legitimate, you owed for the transaction both before and after the chargeback. The credit card company is just an intermediary for your payment to the merchant. When a credit card company accepts a chargeback, they're simply removing themselves as an intermediary in the transaction between the cardholder and the merchant.

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You're right that VISA doesn't have a problem with double spends. The merchants who use VISA do though, which is why they invest so heavily into risk analysis and usually bump up the prices to cover card losses.
That's right. The 2.5% or so that merchants pay is only part of the cost of credit cards. The fraud they have to eat is part of that risk too. One of the big advantages of systems like Bitcoin over credit cards is that you don't have to expose the credentials needed to authorize additional spending just to do some spending now. Eventually, that could mean that crypto-currencies become significantly cheaper than credit cards, even more than just avoiding the transaction costs would suggest. (Even if features like chargebacks are added to them!)
1526  Economy / Scam Accusations / Re: Nefario on: November 02, 2012, 04:08:56 PM
What we need is a third and impartial party, who helps to clear up this mess. Call it a escrow or what ever.
That would be great, but there's no evidence anyone from GLBSE is willing to reason with anyone.

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Some received extra coin and now are told ".... I'd (The Moral Compass The First) advise people not to return any overpayments because ...." Sorry, but wtf are you to tell me to become a liar and a thieve?
No. I'm not advising anyone to lie or steal. I'm saying that if GLBSE is holding your asset ownership and you are holding GLBSE's bitcoins, there is no reason you should give up the only leverage you have while GLBSE is actively screwing you over.

Let me give you an analogy. If you discovered today that Pirate actually sent you a few extra coins in interest, would you pay him back?

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Sure, your recommendation makes some sense on emotional level but this attitude will not help anyone to move forward. Do not get me wrong, I am not taking sides here and I do not trust that James guy too.
If you don't trust James, why would you advise the people he is screwing over to give him money?!

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I had few pennies as BTC in GLBSE account but lots of those "share" thingies and I am a hostage too, because some fucktards got more coin back than they deserved. Rest of us are holding our dicks and waiting, I guess.
Right, because GLBSE is not negotiating in good faith. The last thing you do with someone who is not negotiating in good faith is give them everything they want and hope they do the right thing.
 
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Good news is, that most of people have actually returned the extra coin they got. - This is really good start.
I disagree. It's an awful start. It means there is no negotiating leverage whatsoever.

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Problem is, that James has done nothing to show that he really plans to release the shares info and that he is willing to stop fucking around with honest ones.
Not only that, but he doesn't even seem to have any clue *how* to release the share info. And he has totally failed to do so in the past. And he isn't communicating. So unless something forces him to do the right thing, there's a very good chance he won't.
1527  Other / Politics & Society / Re: Marriage, be strict, or be out of it. on: November 02, 2012, 08:37:24 AM
I believe marriage laws there are two correct approaches:

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The second ... Have a very strict marriage structure: Men marry who they want, as long they don't dump women (giving them security), and women cannot leave the marriage (ensuring a men investment is not lost). Adultery is strictly forbidden and harshly punished.
This must be some uncommon sense of the word "correct" with which I was not previously familiar. That or your barking mad.
1528  Economy / Gambling / Re: Yet another martingale bot for SatoshiDice (Java app) on: November 02, 2012, 08:25:54 AM
please don't play this all in any way. no chance at all. prevent loss from newbies.
Actually, if you configure it correctly, you are muck more likely to win than to lose. The problem is, if you do lose, you lose much, much more than you tried to win.

It's like a reverse lottery where 99.9% of the people get $1. But one out of 1,000 people get tortured to death. Of course, your "expected profit" is negative. However, you are more likely to win than to lose.
1529  Economy / Scam Accusations / Re: Nefario on: November 02, 2012, 06:09:48 AM
I have read his blogentry the way that he went through half of the lists of users that got a double payment. So i think he is contacting them one by one and forcing them, maybe with their asset infos or naming them on the board or something like that. In a week he went through half of the list and i think in another week the rest should be done. Whatever the result will be then. I dont mind if he make the users public that keep others users money hostage. I mean thats no better than nefario keeping the asset infos hostage. These users have no right to complain. Whoever they still are.
How does that work exactly? Nefario says he paid Jack Smith twice. Jack Smith says, yes Nefario paid him some extra bitcoins, but Nefario is also holding his asset ownership interest hostage and that's worth more than the Bitcoins he's holding. He'll also say he holds Nefario responsible for breaching GLBSE's agreement to protect his ownership interest and that his damages exceed the overpayment. He'll say he's tried in good faith to negotiate with Nefario/GLBSE and failed, just as everyone else has.

So sure, Nefario could do this, but what's the point? Honestly, I'd advise people not to return any overpayments because it may be all they ever get for GLBSE betraying them. It would be different, of course, if Nefario/GLBSE were in good standing, but they're trying to get money back from their victims -- victims to whom they still owe.
1530  Bitcoin / Development & Technical Discussion / Re: BIP Draft - Instant Partial Confirmation on: November 01, 2012, 09:40:33 PM
I think the technical issues with this proposal are minor hiccups that could easily be worked around, I don't see any point. The Finney attack is the biggest threat to accepting 0-confirmation transactions and this does nothing to reduce that threat. So reducing the threat of a conflicting transaction by miners seems kind of pointless. It's like adding another chain across the window when the door is held shut with masking tape. If we had a fix for the Finney attack, then this might be worth doing as it would address the biggest problem with accepting 0-confirmation transactions, thus making it significantly safer to do so.
1531  Economy / Goods / Re: Now in Bitmit: Helicopters! on: November 01, 2012, 09:31:44 PM
The S107 is an amazing micro-helicopter that I highly recommend. I bought one for $25 more than a year ago and flew it regularly (hundreds of flights) until it died a month ago. The tiny power switch on the helicopter broke. I let many other people fly it and wound up giving them as gifts to people who were reluctant to put it down. It took a ton of abuse, crash after crash, without breaking.

It's very easy to fly and remarkably stable. Very easy to learn on. And it can charge off a USB port, so you don't run out expensive batteries charging the helicopter.

I can't recommend it highly enough. Seriously, buy a few and give them away to friends.
1532  Economy / Long-term offers / Re: [BitcoinMax.com] Closed on: November 01, 2012, 01:37:39 PM
True, it doesn't matter for as long as those who invested via a PPT get paid. But if a PPT uses Pirate as an excuse to keep funds, then it matters because it basically is a completely seperate scam.
I agree, but it's a scam whose only victim is Pirate.

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If all funds were forwarded to Pirate, the PPT is left with nothing; maybe even with a loss in case he paid withdrawal requests from his own stash while waiting for the coins from Pirate. However, if a PPT ran his own investments/ponzi disguised as a "honest" PPT, he can claim that everything was lost thanks to Pirate although there are still coins under his control which could be returned. That would mean that there are two different scammers: Pirate and the PPT operator. One gets all the blame while the other walks away whistling.
Correct. The difference would be that Pirate's scam has innocent victims while the PPT operator's scam has only one victim -- Pirate.

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And it doesn't really help that PPT operators stay all quiet and refuse to help.
Say someone specifically decided to run a "synthetic PPT". They said something like "I think Pirate is a scammer. Rather than making him a ton of money, why don't you make me money. Give me your money and I'll pay you exactly what Pirate would have paid you. You make the same amount either way, but instead of enriching Pirate, you enrich me. I'll take the risk Pirate is legitimate and pay you out in either case."

Surely that wouldn't be a "completely separate scam" if people agreed to it? And there's no rational reason a person who invested in a PPT wouldn't be equally happy in a "synthetic PPT". You have to trust the PPT operator to pay you in either case.

So either this is just "I'm pissed I lost money and someone else might not have been as foolish as I was" or "I'm pissed someone ripped off Pirate". There's no legitimate gripe -- just a technical violation of a contract whose only victim is Pirate. And, again, there's no evidence whatsoever that this even happened. So it's an alleged technical violation of a contract based on nothing but a hunch.
1533  Economy / Long-term offers / Re: [BitcoinMax.com] Closed on: November 01, 2012, 10:22:04 AM
So you are saying that a bunch of possible scammers can be let off the hook just because they lied when they said that they invested with another scammer?
No. That's it not at all what I'm saying. Why not read what I actually wrote rather than picking a small bit of it and putting the word "just" in front of it?

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If each and every coin from a PPT went to Pirate, well, bummer. But if only a single coin was not passed through, then the PPT should be treated just like Pirate.
Why? Pirate's actions caused people actual harm. You are talking about an action that caused no harm whatsoever to anyone but Pirate. I can't see why you would equate them.

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Let's look at the following hypothetical scene:
1. Pirate starts his business
2. PPT's pop up everywhere
3.1. PPT operator sends every coin to Pirate but pulls out before he defaults, or
3.2. PPT operator uses all coins for other projects, or
3.3. PPT operator simply keeps all the coins
4. Pirate defaults
5. PPT operator keeps the coins and Pirate gets the blame

What you are now saying is that this does not matter although those PPT operators could in fact pay the investors back.
If you have a criminal intend and jumped onto the bandwagon, the chances to get the blame is reduced by 50%.
It makes no difference to a PPT purchaser whether their money actually goes to Pirate or not so long as the PPT operator pays the purchaser exactly the same amount as what Pirate would have paid. The only "victim" of this "scam" is Pirate!
1534  Economy / Long-term offers / Re: [BitcoinMax.com] Closed on: November 01, 2012, 02:37:33 AM
Also, in another thread someone argued that we can't really be sure if every PPT forwarded all coins to Pirate, or used some/all for their own investment plans.
I'm not saying payb.tc did, but that argument has been going around in my head since then because it would open up another can of worms.
I don't see where this argument goes though. If you pay someone to do something knowing that they have no way to prove whether they did it or not, how can you later complain that they can't prove they did it? And why would it matter anyway since the consequences are the same -- the money is lost -- either way?
What if the PPT decided to invest the coins somewhere else? Most investors left their interest in the PPT.
Now that Pirate defaulted a malicious PPT could keep the coins, knowing that Pirate will be blamed for the loss, and get away relatively easy.
Again, this argument goes nowhere. Suppose this is true. Your damages are $0. So what difference does it make? Yes, if they could somehow have guessed correctly when Pirate would default, they could make a ton of money that way and nobody would have been harmed by it. So what?
1535  Other / Politics & Society / Re: Obama or Romney ? on: November 01, 2012, 12:50:20 AM
#4. Install Flat (sales) Tax at 20%. Convert IRS into regulating entity for monitoring, collecting and reporting on income from this new tax.
Good luck. No government has ever been able to successfully enforce such a high sales tax.
1536  Economy / Long-term offers / Re: [BitcoinMax.com] Closed on: October 31, 2012, 11:16:21 PM
Also, in another thread someone argued that we can't really be sure if every PPT forwarded all coins to Pirate, or used some/all for their own investment plans.
I'm not saying payb.tc did, but that argument has been going around in my head since then because it would open up another can of worms.
I don't see where this argument goes though. If you pay someone to do something knowing that they have no way to prove whether they did it or not, how can you later complain that they can't prove they did it? And why would it matter anyway since the consequences are the same -- the money is lost -- either way?
1537  Other / Politics & Society / Re: I acquire property, and through my hard work, improve the land I now own. on: October 29, 2012, 11:36:55 PM
The stakeholders interest is purely profit. Profit amongst a small group of individuals is not a metric by which the condition of the world should be defined.
The "condition of the world" is just the sum of the conditions of all the parts that compose the world.
1538  Other / Politics & Society / Re: I acquire property, and through my hard work, improve the land I now own. on: October 29, 2012, 07:11:26 PM
Thus you essentially have a never ending growth outwards, which destroys the existing infrastructure of wilderness and the ecosystem services it provides.
Right, but it replaces it with something that stakeholders prefer. So mind your own business.

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Do existing landowners benefit? Yes and no. If the preexisting community was rather small, then they likely will benefit, because as the population around them grows, new infrastructure is built, which can both cause home values to rise, while the availability of services rises. On the other hand, if it's already a well developed community, an oversupply of housing might occur, traffic congestion occurs where there is little room for increases of traffic flow, and the inevitable suburban sprawl continues.
You really think traffic congestion is the biggest problem?

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Ultimately, it's the developer that wins. This is their business. They are a business whose interest is to make money. They don't live in the community. The environment is not a concern, except for where lawsuits might occur.
Actually, the value of their own land is the #1 concern of developers.
1539  Other / Politics & Society / Re: I acquire property, and through my hard work, improve the land I now own. on: October 29, 2012, 06:15:34 PM
I don't doubt it. However, I'm struggling to think of a practical example (a bit slow today). Something like a neighbourhood watch group turning into a lynch mob and doing unprovoked attacks on nearby residents who happen to be sex offenders/on parole, perhaps? Could you elaborate?
How about the United States, formed as a liberation from tyranny abroad, which later killed every Indian it could and fought to annex Mexico.
And then went on to engage in tyranny abroad.
Yeah. The history of the United States is, unquestionably, a mixed bag. I think it's a very good example of how concentrating force, even for good purposes, has inherent risk. Every sane political system is a purported solution to this very problem.
1540  Other / Politics & Society / Re: I acquire property, and through my hard work, improve the land I now own. on: October 29, 2012, 06:11:56 PM
I don't doubt it. However, I'm struggling to think of a practical example (a bit slow today). Something like a neighbourhood watch group turning into a lynch mob and doing unprovoked attacks on nearby residents who happen to be sex offenders/on parole, perhaps? Could you elaborate?
How about the United States, formed as a liberation from tyranny abroad, which later killed every Indian it could and fought to annex Mexico.
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