If your exchange has this clause The Service does not bear responsibility for losses incurred by vulnerability or any kind of failure of software (nodes, wallets) used by the third parties, or glitch in the software (nodes, wallets), provided by the third parties, as well as failure of blockchains or any other technical problems specific of Cryptocurrencies traded at the Platform. The Service is not liable for damages due to late report from cryptocurrency developers or representatives (or no report at all) of any issues with cryptocurrency including all sorts of forks, node technical issues or any other issues potentially resulting in fund losses. And a coin you offer on the exchange has this in their license (monero) IN NO EVENT SHALL THE COPYRIGHT HOLDER OR CONTRIBUTORS BE LIABLE FOR ANY DIRECT, INDIRECT [...] DAMAGES (INCLUDING, BUT NOT LIMITED TO, [...] LOSS OF USE, DATA, OR PROFITS [...]) HOWEVER CAUSED AND ON ANY THEORY OF LIABILITY [...] INCLUDING NEGLIGENCE OR OTHERWISE [...] ARISING IN ANY WAY OUT OF THE USE OF THIS SOFTWARE There needs to be a little more to inform traders that if anything happens it falls completely on their own shoulders. You cant just shrug it off and say "well it's in the ToS". This information needs to be clear to the trader or else you're going to run into these public discussions where your exchange practices are scrutinized. FWIW I personally don't think the word scam fits here, shady and untrustworthy are better descriptors and are why I still support this flag and if it weren't the Flag2 a Flag1 would be fully justified to warn newbies/guests. |
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And i dont have to honor anything.
Stick to ebay. Any sales or auction threads you post here will not end the way you think they will. |
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Here is the exact moment you accepted the bid by shadallion. His red trust has been there since 2017 so it isn't like it sprung up on you. Re-reading the reasoning behind TMAN's red trust it was never determined to have been shadallion actually trying to scam.. more than likely it was theft by delivery person.. I myself would exclude his bids regardless to save myself any headache. highest bid-
shadallion- 1.07 BTC
If you did then decide to exclude shadallion from bidding then this now becomes the highest and very much expected to be honored bid: alright
Highest Bid-
Lesbian Cow- 1.05
Pick one of the two if you want to be welcome on the Collectibles board. If not you can find an ebay forum to make friends in. I also expect a resolution within 24 hours from this post or I will be leaving red trust. |
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FlagUserTopicWhile watching the Livecoin campaign disaster go down I looked into some of the other exchanges others were mentioning as also having shady ToS/business structure which led me to the tradesatoshi exchange topic. The user zyrenth appears to be high up at tradesatoshi and was last active ~12 hours from this post. This user was singled out in the OP of the thread linked which is what led me to look at their profile.
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Can you guys please find User #2 who has been negatively affected by Livecoin's harsh and unjust policies? Until then, the whole witch hunt against Livecoin just seems to be an excuse for people to cast judgment on others. Lame.
You're right, I'm sure User #1 was the only one trading mona and monero on this dump exchange. Also do you happen to have an alt named Livecoin Manager by chance? |
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In this situation I believe this to be the appropriate response and I would hope other campaign managers take similar action. With the DT1 endorsed flags on both Livecoin and Livecoin Manager we still have a slew of Hero and Legendary members applying for this signature campaign. If anyone should understand a flag you would think it would be these types of members. We are seeing how ineffective DT1 is when money is involved. Flags are flags.. nothing more.. this shows that when money is there it doesn't matter what DT1 does, we can only warn. yahoo62278 has taken the most reasonable action here and is showing people that money over ethics isn't welcome here. So no, I don't thing tags will do anything here.. but I do support any campaign managers blacklisting from future campaigns. |
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Didn’t the snipe rule extend the auction?
0.152
9 seconds before last 15 minutes of the auction. No impact on end of auction/sniping rule. .153
6 minutes and 6 seconds after auction ended. |
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Is there any meaning behind the time on the clock?
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And BTW Fuck You teeGUMES for red tagging me over this shit. You're a major asshole.
I didn't abandon the sig campaign 30 hours early because I don't believe I'm at risk of "promoting a scam exchange." I still don't consider Livecoin to be scammers -- if this offends you, tag me for it.
Are two different people running the nutildah account? |
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I need a 10oz NaTTyMiNd coin in my life next.
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Based on your recent posts, it is very clear that you would be more than happy to keep their signature on if the campaign would continue.
Yes, that's exactly right. Because you know why? I don't consider 1 complaint by 1 user a good enough reason to trash an exchange of Livecoin's magnitude, longevity, and standing... You mean people don't want to come forward and post about a problem with an exchange that locks your funds for doing so? Shocking! Livecoin also posted snips from OP's Twitter.. so they combed through OP's social media looking for ammo/dirt. These are the same people that most likely handle KYC/AML info. |
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Attention! Livecoin exchange is under massive Black PR attack. A lot of accounts spread fake information.
We ask our clients to help us by posting of positive messages or support our Exchange with trust.
You know I'm not a big fan of Quickseller but him supporting this accusation doesn't make it any less valid. I would prefer him to not use this for personal attacks against Hhampuz, just as I would prefer you to not turn this into a Quickseller conspiracy, but we can't have everything we want, can we  I think that the flag holds some merit AND Quickseller is using the situation to exact his revenge. And as stated by the criteria for opposing a flag: I believe that it is at least partially false, which is why I am in opposition to it. I can break down the ways in which it is "partially false" for you if you'd like, but I think everybody's said everything they have to say by this point. I still hold out out hope that izooomrud and Livecoin can eventually reach some kind of resolution. Dance monkey. |
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Telling the end user to contact the developers of Mona and Monero doesn't lend any help to Livecoin's situation either. I believe many exchanges/developers/wallets work together to solve bugs/problems/attacks with various coins. Not sure if it is a language thing or that Livecoin believes it is solely the developers fault and that they need to be 100 percent compensated but something is majorly wrong if they can not open a channel with the developers when coins like Monero are being actively traded, and safely at that for quite awhile since the bugs/attacks.
I agree with you. However it seemed as if they were trying to get in contact with MONA but they ignored them? But again it's hard to make decisions and form judgement based on assumption. Why aren't they responding? Livecoin has been online on bitcointalk and he has probably seen his this thread as it was linked to in his own topic.
I'm supporting the flag (for now).
I think they have a policy of not discussing anything like this here at bitcointalk. Just like they state in their thread that they won't respond to any questions as they only post updates. I have sent them a PM about this though and we'll see. They need to drop this policy and do some damage control. If I have to look at their avatars and signatures daily but can not hear from them during an active scam accusation then there is something wrong. Companies have PR teams, use them and not signature campaign managers / participants. Honestly it looks worse the longer it goes.. hence why people are leaving the signature campaign. They are hiding behind you and the other Livecoin signature participants Hhampuz.. not everyone is out to get you.. most, but not all  Props for trying to follow through but I hardly see anything changing, its why they operate out of Belize with an unknown team. Assumption or not that one is pretty clear as to why these places are chosen as a company's operating location. |
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Telling the end user to contact the developers of Mona and Monero doesn't lend any help to Livecoin's situation either. I believe many exchanges/developers/wallets work together to solve bugs/problems/attacks with various coins. Not sure if it is a language thing or that Livecoin believes it is solely the developers fault and that they need to be 100 percent compensated but something is majorly wrong if they can not open a channel with the developers when coins like Monero are being actively traded, and safely at that for quite awhile since the bugs/attacks.
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This is good, if someone has the time it would be nice to find all the exchanges that have these bullshit ToS and flag them all. If anything the newbie/high probability of loss of funds flag should be placed on all of their active main forum accounts. Saying that Livecoin.net can do it because other exchanges located in belize..malta..cyprus and every other non regulated country do it is wrong and a non-argument.
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Surprised their whole ToS went over your head when you became their bitcointalk.org branding manager Hhampuz. Due diligence much?
When did I become their branding manager? Managing a signature campaign is much different.. speaking of things going over your head.
LiveCoin wants me to run a Campaign here at bitcointalk for them to increase exposure and spread the awareness of their stellar exchange. I'll be looking for a few members that can represent the brand well while getting paid a decent amount in the process!
Bolded some key parts for you. |
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Reputable exchanges don't keep trading assets they suspect are under 51% DDoS attacks. Coinbase shuts down assets at the slightest inclining of an attack. It pisses off their customers to no end, but guess what, nobody loses hundreds of thousands of dollars This doesn't make them scammers Yes it does.... They are selling an asset to someone and the buyer will never be able to take possession of said asset because the seller is refusing to deliver. This would not be unlike if I were to sell a gold coin that I do not have and have no intention of delivering to any buyer (I would never do that). That is actually very different since they have a market where you can speculate on the coin. If you were to sell a physical good that you wouldn't deliver that would be an actual scam since the buyer could never get anything back for it. Surprised this one goes over your head QS. Surprised their whole ToS went over your head when you became their bitcointalk.org branding manager Hhampuz. Due diligence much? |
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I would be careful becoming an "advisor" to Livecoin just because you run their signature campaign. With ToS like theirs for however many years they have been operating it doesn't change the fact that what they were doing was illegal/immoral and just because they change a few things because they finally have DT1 eyes on them it doesn't change anything, just a further form of deception. This will not end well. Do not attach your name to this sinking ship any further than you have.
Regardless of OP not having shown balances and everything, Livecoin has stated their views and essentially repeated their garbage ToS aswell as calling coins like mona and monero trash coins due to the fact that the dev teams will not compensate them for having been double spent on. An exchange should have a division that monitors the coins that they list, whether it be updates, hash rates, new hardware coming online... the amount of confirmations needed before deposits/withdraws are accepted are then raised when a coin is becoming problematic. I highly doubt the Livecoin team has a department that watches and monitors these things for all of the altcoins that they have listed. Why? Cuts into their profits, they just want to list the coin and collect trading fees. The sure sign of a company that grew too big too fast and does not spend more on the increased security needed.
I am trying to help, more than anything. If it is as some say and there's nothing known about LiveCoin or who operates it then the OP runs a larger risk of losing money if I were to jump ship and point fingers instead of trying to mend the ship. But as I said earlier, I expect it to be a challenge and it is one that I won't just shrug off because it gets too difficult. My reputation/name I could not care less for.As long as you are being paid right? Id like to refer everyone to the ~Hhampuz thread. DT1 members should not be acting or speaking like this no matter their past or connections, shady exchanges/businesses should not be able to buy DT1 loyalty like this. I'll stop here because the rest of me just wants to bash you further but I don't want that. Get out of this emotional and irrational spot you're in and learn from it. Edit to clarify: "Bash" as in I no longer wanted to make my reply about a personal attack and derail the thread. I do not condone violence in any way. |
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Yeah, I really have to stress I have no idea how any of this works so perhaps a roll-back for everyone that bought the fake MONA coins would work?
Probably not, it's been trading for a year so surely people have bought and sold and bought something else and withdrew etc... I doubt it could be untangled with a rollback. Livecoin really made in unnecessarily complicated by allowing a known bad coin/fork to be traded for so long. I would argue that if you were buying MONA after the fact, you knew what you were getting yourself into (pure speculation since price was so much lower). Since there apparently was/is a market for it I don't think any of the users that currently trade it have lost anything. But I do agree with you, however nothing can be done about that now so I'm trying. Some things also get lost in translation I feel which makes it increasingly more difficult. I'll keep people in here posted though. I would be careful becoming an "advisor" to Livecoin just because you run their signature campaign. With ToS like theirs for however many years they have been operating it doesn't change the fact that what they were doing was illegal/immoral and just because they change a few things because they finally have DT1 eyes on them it doesn't change anything, just a further form of deception. This will not end well. Do not attach your name to this sinking ship any further than you have. Regardless of OP not having shown balances and everything, Livecoin has stated their views and essentially repeated their garbage ToS aswell as calling coins like mona and monero trash coins due to the fact that the dev teams will not compensate them for having been double spent on. An exchange should have a division that monitors the coins that they list, whether it be updates, hash rates, new hardware coming online... the amount of confirmations needed before deposits/withdraws are accepted are then raised when a coin is becoming problematic. I highly doubt the Livecoin team has a department that watches and monitors these things for all of the altcoins that they have listed. Why? Cuts into their profits, they just want to list the coin and collect trading fees. The sure sign of a company that grew too big too fast and does not spend more on the increased security needed. |
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