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Last Active:   December 24, 2013, 04:55:42 AM

Thinking this was a successful scam.

I have some Twin Fury (5GH) USB miners for $500/ea, shipping from the USA, willing to overnight.

Please contact me - I work with Stricture Group and we sell professional GPU compute servers for OpenCL loads (mostly focused on password cracking, but we've sold hardware for other purposes as well).

Our hardware isn't cheap, but unlike a lot of mining rigs, ours actually works for other things.  Many of the mining rigs use PCI extenders and function tolerably with the very light GPU traffic of mining (there's very little communication over the PCI bus), but will not remain reliable with any other, more data-intense workloads.  It will work for a few days, then drop GPUs, or hard lock, or do other things that make long running jobs fail.

I'd be happy to discuss your workload and see what we can get set up for you!

... automation?

Any company handling shipping on their scale is going to have automated systems that handle printing out the packing slips/post office postage/etc.

I have no idea what they are actually doing, but if I were managing a company that shipped a lot of stuff, I'd have a batch process that handled printing out packing slips/postage/etc when all the required quantity was on hand and at the front of the queue (and you get the email when the postage is printed, not when it's actually dropped off), and then have people packing the orders.

Seriously, "automated systems" handle a lot of the stuff that people seem to be imagining is done manually.

I have no interest in Amagi metals, financial or otherwise.  I'm a happy customer of theirs.

The chances of finding who "stole" it (if it did get stolen in shipping) are around zero - that's what insurance is for.

You seem to be making a huge deal out of something that is primarily their problem.  Either they packed 15 by mistake instead of 25, and will send you the other 10, or 10 got stolen in shipping at which point they send you 10 more and their insurance covers it.  You keep going on about police reports, fraud, scamming, and lawsuits, for... some reason.  I'm genuinely not certain why.

Possibly because they don't yet know if it was their mistake or something that happened in shipping?


Even if the tapes show they shipped 25 and 10 got stolen in shipping?  Will you still expect them to "admit to their mistake" if that was the case?


No, it really hasn't been.  It hasn't changed my opinion of them a bit, and you're the one who is coming off looking completely irrational here, though I do note you've toned it down and are at least posting rationally now.

Shit happens.  They are working to resolve it.  They don't have coins in stock because of vendor shutdowns over the holiday.  This is entirely reasonable sounding to me, and I've seen nothing to indicate they're out to screw you over or that it's anything other than either a mistake packing or items stolen in shipment.  Both happen.

That's a much more reasonably written statement.

It's still essentially "Winter shutdown" for most businesses except storefront retail in the USA.

10oz of gold is a decent amount, but it's nowhere near enough for a business of their size to be trying to scam people over.

I still think your timeline of "You haven't fixed it by Christmas so I'm going to give you until New Years (2 business days, a weekend, and more holiday for a lot of company) before I CALL THE COPS ON YOU" is amusingly unreasonable.

Especially when dealing with metals companies.  It's not a particularly quick moving business, and that's just part of buying metals in my experience.

You /do/ realize that most businesses in the US are closed for Christmas, and many are functionally closed for the few days before and the week through New Years?  It's not entirely unreasonable to believe that their suppliers are actually closed for the holidays.

Further, the mail system is badly overwhelmed during the few days leading up to Christmas, and the last thing I'd want (personally) is a shipment of metal sitting around in the mail system over a holiday, or getting run through when there were a lot of seasonal workers hired for a few weeks to move packages.


... so after a week with businesses being closed/low staff, you're going to file a POLICE REPORT for... what, exactly?  Give them a chance to fix the issue.  If they have to order more coins (which it appears they do), then it may take a bit for them to resolve it.

Damages?  The reasonable "damages" would seem to be "If 15 coins were packed, send another 10.  If 25 coins were packed, get insurance involved because they went missing somewhere in the mail system, and figure it out from there."

"It's Christmas and I don't have my stuff, and if you don't fix it by New Years I'm going to get the police involved!" is pretty damned unreasonable, IMO.


Where, exactly, did they lie to you?  Further, I've yet to see anything that actually looks like "criminal fraud" yet... I see a petulant, somewhat irrational buyer who is demanding unreasonable things, though.

It takes time to dig up tapes, find when your order was packed, talk to the people who packed it, etc - especially if they're on vacation for Christmas (as is quite common in this country).


I can't speak for Amagi Metals, but I do sell some fairly custom, expensive hardware (see my sig).  We've had issues with some of it being damaged in shipping, and when we have to replace hardware, it can take a while to get the replacements to the customer as we don't keep a huge inventory of parts.  If I were dealing with a customer like you, I'd be glad to not have your orders in the future.  I much prefer dealing with people who understand that things happen, and while we'll make it right, it /takes time/ to resolve things properly.

Further, if I were in your shoes, I'd post about the issue, but not copy/paste the support emails into the thread for a blow by blow unless things didn't get resolved for a substantial period of time.  You're not coming across as the more rational side here.

No problems.    I've fought with shipping issues as well.  I can't suggest shipping servers via FedEx, for instance...  at least 50% of them arrived without being demolished in transit!

I think a lot of people miss that Amagi is actually a large, well established metals dealer outside the bitcoin realm, and that you're in it for the long haul.  You're not a guy shipping silver/gold from his garage selling purely on this forum, and as far as I can tell, the bitcoin stuff has been driving an insane amount of growth and volume that you guys weren't entirely anticipating.

Order from reliable companies who blend bitcoin into an existing, established, well regarded business.  Like, say, Amagi Metals.

I've ordered a lot from them, and other than the slow shipping (which I genuinely don't object to - I'm ordering metal to hold long term), I have no complaints and they have been excellent about customer service.

Shit happens.  Shit happening is not sufficient reason to call a company a scammer when they have not yet had a chance to respond to it.

Yes, I'm quite aware...

But you don't even have a physical demo product yet.

Is there a way to pay with a standard credit card?  I'm a bit hesitant to send bitcoin for preorders.

That would be a useful compromise to fully open firmware - if I can point it at a URL that returns a string to display, that's probably good enough for most needs.

A few questions:

- Will the firmware be upgradable in the future if Gox/Stamp/Coinbase go under/change APIs?
- Will the firmware be open such that I could modify it to display other things if I wanted to at some point?
- What's the expected runtime on a set of batteries?

I'm probably in for at least two.

Does anyone make silver dice? I'd love a proper set of D&D dice, but would also be interested in D6.

WOW.  That's awesome.  You guys aren't a small business to start with.

It sounds like you guys have been growing insanely quickly in the past 6 months!  How much of that growth do you think is attributed to your involvement with bitcoin?

I will take them if they have not been sold. Shipping to 98033.

Are you willing to sell a few more in the initial batch or just one?  It's a bit pricey with shipping for just one.

I'm willing to offer 0.14btc shipped for 5, agreeing to all the other terms, if this is something you are interested in.  I'd also be interested in an assortment of coins, since you mentioned you have a variety.

I can.  Agora is legit as well.  They tend to have a smaller, slightly less "interesting" selection, but they ship quickly (usually same day or next day) and I've never had any trouble with stuff arriving from them.