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1061  Bitcoin / Bitcoin Discussion / Re: Never sell your Bitcoin? on: June 30, 2021, 11:26:09 AM
Not just Saylor; almost anyone you ask, you'll get a similar response. And that is completely justified. We're living an epoch where Bitcoin isn't globally adopted yet and therefore, if you hold your coins, you'll most likely be richer in the future. The demanding will rise and so will the exchange rate of BTC/USD. Not to mention that comparing a long-term deflationary currency with an (soon hyper)inflated one will result in increase of its exchange rate.

I see Bitcoin as a safe haven in the long term, just as gold. It'd have the lowest risk to hold it in contrast with other cryptocurrencies. Just to mention that Bitcoin has a $650B market cap and gold $10T. Judge this and act however you believe it'll end up in the late 20s.
You're assuming people are willing to accept Bitcoin as a currency. As of now, Bitcoin is a speculative asset as you've mentioned people are encouraging others to "HODL" and not spend it. "Hodling" goes contrary to what we're trying to achieve, which is mass adoption. The only reason why Bitcoin can rise even further is if it gets accepted universally as a currency, current conditions are created by the FOMO culture as well as the institutional buyers (and Elon Musk) entering the market.

Given that most buyers are looking at these factors when purchasing Bitcoin, it isn't a stretch to assume that their investment choices are based on past performance of Bitcoin. Not exactly a good sign.

There will always be people willing to spend their BTC. Holding relies on that fact, including that it'll be globally adopted in the future.
That assumption will probably hold true; 500 out of 1 million Bitcoiners actively using it as a currency. If the use for Bitcoin as a currency remains small, and people are still unwilling to spend it, then companies wouldn't find the need to adopt it. Save for some PR and market manipulation.

Perpetuating that culture is toxic to say the least. As I said, if you believe Bitcoin is a currency, then use it like one. Accumulating it and believing that it'll rise in the future is pure speculation and makes it a speculative asset, not a currency.
1062  Bitcoin / Electrum / Re: Legacy Wallet on Android app? on: June 30, 2021, 10:05:33 AM
I think using Iancoleman offline or best run the html file on airgapped device and select the BIP44 derivation path will be better. The seed phrase can be imported on Electrum while making sure the seedphrase correspond to the keys and addresses.

I have just downloaded Bitcoin wallet, I was unable to generate seed phrase, or is there anything I was getting wrong? I also press on the safety notes, this is what that popped up on the screen in the below image.



If truly this wallet do not generate seed phrase, I do not think it should be a good wallet to use. Although, I saw something like in-app backup.
Nothing wrong with that wallet. Infact it is one of the earliest wallets for Android. They don't use BIP39 but the seed is contained within the backup in a different format. Just back it up like you would for a Bitcoin Core wallet.

I would strongly advise against generating seeds in browsers, moreso for browsers within mobile OSes. There is no guarantees whether the functions are executed correctly and Android hasn't historically been great with generating sufficient entropy either, fault lies more with the developers but still. It'll be far better to use the app that BlackHatCoiner mentioned, more well tested and straightforward to use.

If OP still prefers seeds, there are other wallets on Android which supports that. I'd rather choose a different wallet than going through so many hurdles to use legacy addresses on Electrum whilst exposing myself to so many attack vectors.
1063  Bitcoin / Development & Technical Discussion / Re: how does transaction fees work on: June 30, 2021, 09:48:57 AM
thank you all for your answers Wink

i would like to create an app that allows users to quickly and cheaply go through transaction such as for payment in the supermarket etc.

Now I understand more how transactions work on the bitcoin network and how it works at ripple.

Now I wonder which network is best to do this with.
I assume that on the btc and eth network will not work.
Is the bep20 network of binance a good idea or will the transaction costs here also be too large for the concept I would like to implement?


thanks again to everyone who is trying to help me find my way around this.

 Grin
The kind of cryptos that you're choosing is dependent on what the customer wants. You can choose to implement a basket of them to give the option to choose whichever they like.

If you want to use Bitcoin, do it off-chain. Lightning network for example. Choosing most alts either results in lower usage due to the smaller userbase or just extreme volatility. You'll have to do your own research on this part.
1064  Bitcoin / Electrum / Re: Legacy Wallet on Android app? on: June 30, 2021, 06:40:56 AM
You cannot create legacy addresses on Electrum, on Android anymore. The only way is through the console which is unfortunately not an option with Android.

You'll have to either use another wallet or on your computer.
1065  Bitcoin / Bitcoin Discussion / Re: Satoshi’s Bitcoin whitepaper to be removed from Bitcoin.org? on: June 30, 2021, 05:57:59 AM
no the court didn't accept he is Satoshi Nakamoto. the scammer went to court and made a claim, the court set a date and asked the other party (cobra) to attend. they didn't attend so automatically the court ruled in favor of the scammer.
Cobra did attend

He is really trying hard to avoid the consequences if any after he exposes the identity. May be this itself is proof that he is Satoshi? How could the court be so dumb to proclaim a unstable and too baffling person to rule a favour of the court? That's really a underrated judgement by the jury. Or may be they were simply too ignorant and had under the table thingie going on. In any case Cobra is so stubborn that they are willing to pay that huge amount just to hide the identity. That's like a real man!
No one has ever insinuated Cobra is Satoshi. Privacy is important to loads of people, for various reasons.

I suggest for you to start doing some research on the judicial system in UK instead of undermining their integrity.
1066  Bitcoin / Bitcoin Discussion / Re: Gov must have power to reverse transactions, says co-chair of blockchain caucus on: June 30, 2021, 04:48:04 AM
You know, some of them aren't really the sharpest tool in the shed. Just search up on their Google hearing LOL. Putting the most incompetent people on subjects that they're not sure about.

If you're giving up your control to the government, just use fiat. Don't bother with cryptos, really. That is not what most cryptos aim to do. Good luck trying to block any transactions on Bitcoin though. I use fiat, am I complicit with money laundering Huh
1067  Bitcoin / Bitcoin Discussion / Re: Never sell your Bitcoin? on: June 30, 2021, 01:34:41 AM
Depends on where you live, certain places do not have capital gains tax which wouldn't eat into your profits.

If you never sell your Bitcoins or otherwise actively use it, then there is little purpose for Bitcoin's existence. Not everyone should be trying to loan out their Bitcoins, oversaturating the market that way wouldn't be beneficial either and incurs opportunity costs for your Bitcoins as well.

I don't see the point of HODLing it. If everyone adopts that mindset, then Bitcoin simply wouldn't grow in the long term. How can you justify it as a currency if the value arises from its potential to supplement or otherwise replace the financial systems?
1068  Bitcoin / Development & Technical Discussion / Re: how does transaction fees work on: June 29, 2021, 10:49:12 PM
Thanks for the posts everyone, learn a lot from this.

So if I understand correctly it works like this.

the higher the transaction cost the faster the transaction will take place on the bitcoin network.

But how does it work with Ripple, because if I am not mistaken there are low transaction fees and the transactions take approx 15 minutes

sorry if i ask stupid questions  Tongue
Transactions are instantaneous. The confirmation or the process to include your transactions into the blockchain takes much longer, at least an average of 10 minutes.

Miners mostly consider the fee rates to maximize the fees that they're able to collect within the block. For Bitcoin, this means calculating by vbyte instead of actual size. Older clients still adheres to the 1MB real size limit. Using the vbyte as a metric allows the witness stripped block to be kept within that. While fee rate is generally how miner decides to include your transactions, they can choose some other factors as well, be it their own transactions or transactions that were directly pushed to them for an additional fee.

Certain altcoins are perceived to have faster confirmation due to the quicker block time or less congested network.
1069  Bitcoin / Bitcoin Technical Support / Re: bitcoind unable to read settings.json on external ssd on: June 29, 2021, 03:25:50 PM
Did you give the file write permissions?

chmod 644 settings.json? That gives you the permission to read and write to file.
1070  Bitcoin / Bitcoin Discussion / Re: Satoshi’s Bitcoin whitepaper to be removed from Bitcoin.org? on: June 29, 2021, 02:42:51 PM
The court didn't accept the claim that he was Satoshi afaik. Cobra didn't defend himself so CSW won the court case by default since Cobra didn't want to reveal his identity from what I understood. Now what's confusing is did the court accept the side of CSW about his claim being Satoshi and writing the white paper, or did the court just, well, defaulted and didn't really bother identifying whether his sides' claims were true or not. Though it seems to be saying that CSW owns the paper just based on the decision they made since I don't think a punishment would've been handed out if the court didn't agree with CSW (Correct me if I'm wrong, idk much about court cases)
The section of default ruling: https://www.justice.gov.uk/courts/procedure-rules/civil/rules/part12

As Cobra chose to not compromise his privacy (by filing an opposition or through a legal representative), the court reached the default ruling. This doesn't mean that CSW's claims were valid, it is just that they weren't (able to be) disputed in the court so there isn't any meaning to that. From what I understand, there was a written defense by Cobra (?) but it didn't matter.
1071  Bitcoin / Bitcoin Discussion / Re: Gresham's law and Bitcoin on: June 29, 2021, 02:26:47 PM
Bitcoin's sole purpose is to be used as an alternative currency. The value of which comes from (or at least should come from) the value of the coins being determined by the market for it's utility as a currency. If you're not going to use Bitcoin as a currency that can be transacted, there is no purpose for Bitcoin at all. At that point, Bitcoin's value falls and the cycle repeats. The current rapid rise is due to the widespread speculation, which isn't exactly healthy for Bitcoin's price stability.

Gresham's Law doesn't apply to Bitcoin but rather currencies which contains precious metals.

I haven't thought much about this situation, but an interesting thing is happening.
The more Bitcoin gains popularity, the more people will keep Bitcoin as a store of value, because the amount of Bitcoin is limited.
Therefore, the number of coins on the market will decrease.
That is untrue. Economics indicates that for a specific price, there is a specific number of people that are willing to purchase and/or sell. There will be no point where scarcity of the actual coins becomes an actual issue due to people being unwilling to sell. Something like this would just cause Bitcoin to completely lose it's utility. At that point, then what is the use of Bitcoin? Why would people still be interested in it? Do they find something interesting with digital money that isn't functional as a currency?
1072  Bitcoin / Bitcoin Discussion / Re: Satoshi’s Bitcoin whitepaper to be removed from Bitcoin.org? on: June 29, 2021, 01:04:06 PM
I'm defenately not a lawyer (far from it), but as far as i understand, it was a UK court making a UK decission that should not impact anybody not doing business/living in the UK...
I'm not even sure the UK can force Cøbra to reject UK visitors....

In my country, the pirate bay was banned... What they had to do is force ISP's to change their DNS so the pirate bay domain name would resolve to a warning page hosted by my country... They could not force the operators of the pirate bay to reject users based on their ip block... Why? Because the operators of the pirate bay were ROTFLOL when my country asked them to do this, waving with a piece of paper telling them their site was illegal IN MY COUNTRY, whilst they were living in a completely different country...

But, like i said: i'm not a lawyer... maybe someone with some actual legal background can enlighten us?
The jurisdiction shouldn't extend to the rest of EU, after brexit AFAIK. UK can instruct their ISPs to selectively redirect traffic directed to that website to their own to enforce censorship like what they've done before. Problem being, if Cobra's identity remains hidden that is nothing that they can do. Especially if the location of their servers is located in a country where IP laws doesn't apply.

1073  Bitcoin / Bitcoin Technical Support / Re: What's the expected speed for BIP39 passphrase recovery using CPU? on: June 29, 2021, 08:44:39 AM
Have you seen I'm BIP38 curious, please help me out!?
I can try ~20 passwords per second with my current setup
The fastest cracker we have, Dirbaio, can do 20 tries/second.
Actually there was this other repo that was linked earlier ( https://github.com/cscott/bip38-cracker ) that is quite faster, probably because it uses scrypt-jane. ~

It took ~20 hours on three n1-highcpu-16 machines on Google Compute. Each one did ~50 passwords per second, 150 total.
It cost around $38 overall.
BIP38 isn't the same as BIP39. HMAC-SHA512 is involved with the hashing of the mnemonic. Passphrase for BIP39 is included in the salt of that.

BIP38 encrypts the string.
1074  Bitcoin / Bitcoin Discussion / Re: Satoshi’s Bitcoin whitepaper to be removed from Bitcoin.org? on: June 29, 2021, 07:11:59 AM
The court case wasn't contested by the defendant and that was the default judgement. It doesn't necessarily mean that the claims were valid.

It depends on how the IP laws is enacted within the jurisdiction that the website is hosted in. At best, it wouldn't be taken down completely. Just that the site or parts of it won't be accessible within the UK, assuming that Cobra is unwilling to comply.
1075  Bitcoin / Bitcoin Discussion / Re: Bitcoin's inability to change is how it won the blocksize war on: June 28, 2021, 10:57:05 PM
Segwit is infact sometimes considered a block size increase. Segwit compatible clients includes the witness and the block size is greater than 1MB in raw size.

Any changes within Bitcoin is unfortunately marred by the politics that exists within. Miners were unwilling to adopt Segwit to further their agenda and some are still doing so today, coercing people to switch to Bitcoin Cash. MASF gave too much control to the miners without any accountability, IMO.
1076  Bitcoin / Bitcoin Discussion / Re: Fixed supply vs reducing supply on: June 28, 2021, 03:15:14 PM
The rate of supply increase is decreasing. By logic, this achieves a deflationary currency due to the purchasing power increasing with a lower rate of supply increase. Having a fixed supply with gradual decrease ensures a fairer distribution rather than constant rate of distribution and does nothing against padding the shock received by the miners as one day the block rewards has to be close to 0.

It doesn't affect security, or at least to any significant extent but several cryptos do adopt a tail emission which ensures stability of the network as well. As compared to the direct deflationary concept of Bitcoin, that involves far more modelling of economic conditions.
1077  Bitcoin / Bitcoin Technical Support / Re: Restoring wallet from seed on: June 27, 2021, 02:32:46 PM
You used 2FA, you probably didn't include any passphrase because you would probably know if you did.

That is probably not the "web address". If you are recovering a 2FA wallet, just restore it with your 12 word seed. When creating a new wallet, Select Wallet with two factor authentication> I already have a seed. Key in your 12 word seed in there. That will make your 2FA wallet like a normal wallet and you should just create another wallet to transfer all your funds to it.
1078  Bitcoin / Bitcoin Discussion / Re: Mechanism for Retrieving lost BTC on: June 27, 2021, 02:29:07 PM
Just like the fiat banking system, where monies hardly lost because there is always provision for next of kin who will claim such monies in the case of demise. BTC should have a similar feature. If not, there should be a periodic review, maybe every 5years, when all the platforms give access to the owners to retrieve thier BTC without private keys either by answering easy questions. (Though this might compromise security, but this should only apply to such accounts that has been dormant for years).
Again,  if the above proposals do not apply, there should be a system that will re-incorporate the permanently lost BTC into circulation as new BTC(maybe every decade) in order to augment the fixed 21million supply.
With this the BTC supply would be technically infinite, because it will look like recycling the lost 20% every 10yrs.
For this to be effective, there should be a system to accurately differentiate lost BTC from BTC on longer term savings.

If the above does not fit still. Is there a way to recover lost BTC?
Because I see this as a feature fighting against BTC growth, because not all users are educated, not all are technically inclined and not all are good record keepers.
Thank you all.
No. If you were to implement a system which gives arguably easier ways to recover their Bitcoin, then it won't work. Bitcoin cannot restrict the number of people or ensure the authenticity of such requests, because there isn't any central authority. It is up to their user to create multiple backups and redundancy for their funds, and I expect this to be practiced more nowadays given the rise in the price. If they can't properly store their private keys or seeds, then too bad for them.

Why do people always think we need to reincoporate the Bitcoins back into the supply? There isn't any way to ascertain if coins are lost at all and having 21 million or anywhere near that is not necessarily for Bitcoin. There is no problems with a circulating supply that is much lower than that.  You cannot start stealing user's funds like that, nor is Bitcoin designed to have an unlimited supply cap.
1079  Economy / Computer hardware / Re: [WTB] 1080TI Hybrid Cooler on: June 27, 2021, 02:22:17 PM
Bump still looking.
1080  Bitcoin / Electrum / Re: Same seeds on the Electrum and Mycelium Wallet - Problem? on: June 27, 2021, 08:33:58 AM
Indeed, if it were only due to the derivation path, then Mycelium would happily accept the seed phrases but simply generate a different wallet with different addresses. It is because Electrum seed phrases are created in a different manner, will fail the BIP39 checksum, and are concatenated with a different string ("electrum" instead of "mnemonic") before being plugged in to PBKDF2.
Electrum seeds that were generated prior to a more recent versions has the potential to be a valid BIP39 mnemonic as well. It is not until recently that they decided to specifically grind for checksums that are only valid for Electrum and not BIP39. But yes, then the addresses generated will be different due to the different derivation paths.
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