So how much donating needs to happen to get the ball rolling for the GUI wallet dream to come true? Im willing to make a big donation in BTC or XMR but i want it to be directly correlated to the advancement of this wallet as I believe this will be one of the major stepping stones to XMR advancement. I know their is a donation address but it would be nice being able to choose where we want our money applied. Keep it up and look forward to the response. http://imgur.com/a/ERheR#L4244ocAFAIK it is planned to be supported by the Forum Software in the not so far future that you can choose where to put your donations ( GUI , Research etc. ) |
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Let me put the emissions thing another way. The coin is supposed to be cheap at this point. It is barely used, technology isn't mature or highly usable, and merchant support is essentially nonexistent. Why anyone expect otherwise?
The purpose of PoW distribution is to continually dump coins on the market so that any sustained price rises are credible evidence of strong and sustained demand. It is the opposite of a closely held coin with no ongoing preprogrammed distribution where for example two insiders can trade coins between each other at whatever price they want. (Distribution to existing coin holders as with PoS doesn't count, that is just inflation.)
It's the same with Bitcoin BTW. It got pumped by China and maybe Willie to 1000+ USD but the relentless drip, drip, drip of 3.6 million USD per day being dumped on to the market by a preprogrammed selling process eroded the ability of of hoarders and pumpers (and deadbeat bots?) to keep the price up. Now we are below 1 million USD per day and that level of demand, at least, seems to be there (as evidenced by the past few months of price stability).
This is not a bad thing at all. It means people looking to get into Bitcoin (or Monero) now have a more realistic and sustainable entry price. They have less to fear from buying into a bubble and being left holding a bag than if they faced the prospect of buying at 1000 (BTC) or 0.01 (XMR).
Most people in the world do not own BTC or XMR. The preprogrammed mining/dumping serves to represent their interests, as opposed to a few tulip bulb (or "golden donkey") buyers trying to get rich quickly.
Excellent description of PoW distribution. The rate of distribution can have significant effect. Speaking of which, I've lost my link of a Monero distribution chart I thought I had bookmarked. It was just a table showing predicted disbursements going forward to the inflection point where they stop decreasing. If anyone has any idea what I'm talking about could you please re-link? Thank you. Hey, cool, someone's using this! <whining>(I feel like I should get a brief mention, at least.)</whining> Is it okay that i thought of you when i was looking for that list days ago?  |
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klingt spannend, aber es scheint so als wenn die ganzen Masternode Clone momentan cloak den Rang ablaufen.
Kann man erst sagen wenn die Wallet mit PoSA 3 draussen ist, wir haben hier ja bisher noch nichts grifffestes |
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Monero price is what it should be, we need cheap coins to get new people in. The focus should be on getting in new people, not the price at this time.
How many of you have introduced Monero to someone known?
Most of my friends / family think cryptocurrencies aren't real, so.... i need to go to a bitcoin meetup. Same here, either they think it is not real.... or they don´t care for altcoins just BTC |
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Meiner Beobachtungen nach gibt es mehrere "Phasen" zu unterschieden.
Ja, ich denke, Deine Beobachtungen sind zutreffend - und tatsächlich sind Beobachtungen, Erfahrungen, "Messwerte" das einzige, was die Frage des Threads richtig beantworten kann. Bei fallenden Bitcoinpreisen dagegen scheinen die Altcoins sogar noch stärker zu fallen als Bitcoin selbst. Es gibt immer ein paar Gewinner, aber der 08/15-Clonecoin wird dann ganz schnell sehr wenig wert.
Das ist ein schönes Beispiel dafür, wie bescheuert eigentlich diese Märkte sind  ! Denn wie ich oben schon schrieb, müsste es eigentlich anders sein: Man hat die Altcoins ja relativ teuer gekauft und wenn man sein Geld (bzw. Wert) bewahren möchte, oder überhaupt dem Altcoin einen Wert zusprechen würde, müsste diese ja dann in der Regel gegenüber dem Bitcoin steigen. Stattdessen fällt sie dann noch panischer als der BTC selbst... Diese Märkte erinnern wirklich an eine panische Viehherde, nur dass ich hier keine Tiere beleidigen möchte  . ...Das Problem könnte man meiner Ansicht nach nur wegbekommen, wenn eben Altcoins tatsächlich an Werte gekoppelt wären, bzw. einen ausreichenden, vom BTC unabhängigen Nutzwert bekommen. Also je mehr unabhängige Geschäfte und Assets mit dem Altcoin abgewickelt werden, desto besser und unabhäniger (und auch gegenläufiger) sollte er zum BTC sein. Das Problem ist das ein Grossteil der Altcoins für die Leute nur ein Vehikel sind um mehr BTC´s zu generieren, herrscht also Panik bei BTC, herrscht auch bei den Altcoins Panik weil jeder wieder in den sicheren Hafen BTC will bevor die Altcoinpanik ausbricht. Den ein Bitcoin bleibt ein Bitcoin unabhängig vom FiatWert. Wenn etwas gegensätzliches passiert( über einen längeren Zeitraum ) dann sollte man eventuell mal einen Blick auf den Altcoin werfen der den Trend bricht |
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Seriously guys stop that, if you wanna talk about Otoh make a thread for that and invite him.... this is about Monero and NOT Post after Post after Post what Otoh did.
@BlockaFett you are pretty vocal for a guy that said he didnt care anymore a few days ago.
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I think we can all agree that this campaign by a few is not having the desired effect.
There was no campaign, just free minds expressing So I guess pestering the CMC-owner to tag Dash with the outright lie of being "significantly premined" wasn't a concerted effort of the inner circle and the main devs of Monero as evidenced by the countless posts in the CMC-thread and who knows how many PMs in his direction? Yep, totally not a campaign. And the miner of Monero wasn't deliberately de-optimized, too then. Just a free mind expressing here. Better read again or deeper into the miner part... it wasn´t de-optimized by the CoreDev Team that took over but from the BCN Code it was forked off... hell the Monero Team even made everyone aware that this issue was there... Just a free mind expressing his thoughts here. |
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Hello Monero community.
I've refrained from posting about this issue here, but now that I see that this bickering has caused you to lose a major investor, I've got to say my piece.
Granted, I am a Dash investor, but I am one of the more moderate posters in our community. I occasionally tweet about other coin's news, and I pride myself on having an open mind. You will not see me trolling in another coin's forum.
I hope that we can all agree that this type of behaviour is ultimately self-defeating. I have a vested interest, not only in Dash, but also in the greater crypto community. This is the same kind of thing that caused the Dogecoin dev to leave crypto, and quite frankly, makes the whole crypto community look childish at best.
Please, end this now. This has been going on for weeks, and has anyone gained? Dash is losing value slowly, and Monero is plummeting. I think we can all agree that this campaign by a few is not having the desired effect.
Is Dash perfect? Absolutely not. Is Monero perfect? Absolutely not.
Let's respect each other. Just like there is Pepsi and Coke, and Apple and Samsung, there is room for more than one crypto in the future.
Let's use our time going forward to add value to our own cryptos, rather than trying to cut each other down. No one wins that battle, everyone loses.
Maybe then, we will win back lost investors.
Tao
I agree with the self-defeating arguments. But hell this is the Internet and everyone is free to speak. If something stinks people should be allowed to say what they think. And honestly without going deeper into it. The instamine and the shortcutting of the rewards afterwards stinks very much... no matter the brilliant things your lead dev may have invented afterwards the early odor will still stick to it and people are able to tell i could go on but i dont want to rant as everything was said before. And Future will tell if it bothers investors or not. And regarding otoh... he is rather a speculator ( even though im long ) like myself then an investor... did not see him building services for Monero nor Donating. https://getmonero.org/getting-started/donate/hall-of-fame This is not the Stock Exchange where you buy a share of a Company, you just buy some Coin that either has a value in Fiat or whatever for you or not. |
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Der gesamte Coin ist abgerutscht und fährt durchs Tal.
Jetzt betrachtet eine meiner größten Fehlinvestitionen.... leider...
Aber ein derartiger Kurssturz (kontinuierlich) ist schon super heftig.
Ists wirklich nur der "böse DASH" oder steckt da womöglich was ganz anderes dahinter?
Wenn es dir in Monero wirklich nur um den DayTrader Profit von Tag zu Tag geht muss ich sagen da bist du wohl im falschen Coin, ich würde dir mal empfehlen einige Dinge von Risto dazu zu lesen. Habe die links mal unten eingefügt Und eins muss dir auch klar sein, solange ein Coin nicht das Volumen von LTC oder BTC hat ( und selbst bei denen ist nichts sicher wenn einer oder megawhales einen move machen ) ist alles manipulierbar. Schau dir doch allein die Charts auf Polo an, es sind im grossen immer nur Trends die sich ergeben haben aus einem oder zwei Whales die entweder riesig gedumpt haben oder riesig gepumpt. https://bitcointalk.org/index.php?topic=753252.msg11172601#msg11172601https://bitcointalk.org/index.php?topic=753252.msg11173741#msg11173741https://bitcointalk.org/index.php?topic=753252.msg11174601#msg11174601Deswegen würde ich sagen für einen Daytrader ist Monero eher kein Investmentvehikel, wenn du allerdings die Preisschwenkungen ausblenden kannst und eher auf die Vorteile von Monero und ihren ( möglichen ) Nutzen in der Zukunft ein Auge wirfst, dann wäre Monero ein Investment wert... eins müssen wir uns klar sein... hier kann alles von Zero to Hero werden oder umgekehrt, nur muss jeder eben für sich selbst mögliche Szenarien ausmalen. P.S.: Ich bin gerade nicht ganz im Bilde aber gab es bei BTC nicht auch mal einen Anstieg auf 10 Dollar oder so und dann einen abrupten Abfall auf einen Dollar der sich für längere Zeit gehalten hat? Meinst du die Leute die damals trotzdem gehalten haben würden es in Angesicht des heutigen Preises ( wenn auch letztes Jahr noch mehr drin gewesen ist ) als Fehler betrachten bei 10 Dollar eingekauft zu haben? |
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Bytecoin still not shown as premine, it's a shame because it's the most scammy of all.
It was. Some shills from bytecoin complained and they have no backbone so they took it off. Probably will happen with dash too, although at least with that one, there are actual quotes from the developer acknowledging the problem. Looks like you were right; Dash is no longer marked as pre-mined. Could we leave the Dash Talk to the Dash Thread or CMC where it is ONtopic , and the Monero talk here? |
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^ Just lol +1  Are you a lawyer or a kid of one? You are twisting words out of context where you can and spinning your own stupid story out of it. Next didnt you say you want to leave BTCT 2 days ago? Guess just another Shill Account |
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Where is jorr btw? Has he bought more coins? :D:D He needs to get a new loan for 30k first |
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Isn´t it the same with people in BTC? .... don´t think its an ALT only problem
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Monero Commons ist ein Mediendatein-Repository und hostet gemeinfreie und frei lizenzierten Mediendateien (Bilder, Textdateien und Videoclips) zur freien Verfügung für jedermann. Die Seite ist also ein gemeinsame Content-Repository für alle digitalen Aktivitäten, in und um das Monero Project. Jeder kann leicht auf GitHub dazubeitragen, durch Upload von Files oder Meldung von Links zu qualitativen Monero-Content. Der klassische HTML-Ansicht ist http://commons.xmr.biz/ und alle Dateien dort sind frei nutzbar und explizit erlaubt ist es diese Dateien dort zu hot-linken. Zum GitHub Repo beitragen und Feedback geben kann man unter: https://github.com/xmr23/commons.xmr.bizIch habe diese kleine Seite zusammengeclickt, weil ich denke, das Projekt kann falls es gut läuft, stark davon profitieren. (Wie andere nicht Crypto-Projekte schon vielfach vorgemacht haben.) Für ausgezeichnete Qualität & top Arbeit, braucht man gute Ausgangsmaterialen & die besten Werkzeuge. Daher möchte ich helfen, diese zusammeln, dauerhaft zu archivieren und allgemein bereitzustellen. Meinungen, Fragen und Anmerkungen hier im Thread diesbzgl. sind herzlich willkommen. Vielen Dank. Was vielleicht auch noch ganz hilfreich wäre im Bereich Pictures, wenn du an die original .psd ( glaube so heisst das native Photoshopkürzel ) bereitstellen/auffinden könntest, so könnten Leute die Bereit sind die ganzen Grafiken zu übersetzen noch relativ einfach das selber machen im Original |
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I don't think the GUI is the key. Monero appeals most to extremely intelligent people who also have lots of money (aminorex, ArticMine). This type of guys will be the deciders of the price in the short (1 year) term. The masses come later.
I should refocus to the MiG thing. That is directing to the above segment. Here, my laborious scenario analyses did not receive even one comment. That is indicative that you aren't even interested in Monero here! We need more leaders, and we are bound to get them on board in the coming months.
I actually enjoyed your analyses and your thoughts behind, but i don´t have anything to add to it.... so i´ll just say thanks for your effort. |
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how low do you guys think we will go?
Speaking of low makes no sense after we have shaken out yesterdays dump o.O |
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To mitigate botnet mining, would it be possible to alter the POW algorithm to require the presence of a freely distributable usb device that functions as a "mining license"? CPU's without this hypothetical device would be unable to mine efficiently. No doubt this has been thought of before and dismissed. Why wouldn't it work?
Im sure there would still be a way to emulate that. And if you mean special usb hardware that needs to be bought... who should build it and sell it ? |
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whats IRC?
Internet Relay Chat ... something people very much used in the late 90´s and still is in use today.... some may remember the famous QuakeNet from their youth gaming times ( if you are in your 25-40´s ) http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Internet_Relay_Chat |
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No he´s online daily on IRC.
last time i spoke with him was 3 hours ago, its just that this forum is more and more .... u know.
Thanks, reminded me to fire on my IRC Client again |
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in a week price down of 40% - why?
Not as much growth in the "posable gmaxwell doll" sector as we expected. Someone should fire the VP of Marketing and replace him with someone with a man like Primer- who really knows what this industry needs. Speaking of... haven´t seen David in a while, is he off on vacation? |
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