decentralized currency is surely helped by decentralized hashing 

Yeah, just because it's in Russia doesn't mean it's a scam.

Each person has to choose what proof they need to be able to send money.  Personally I would have a very difficult time sending money to someone I know nothing about, that has done nothing to prove their reputation to me, hasn't proven ability, hasn't shown prior experience...  have they even given real names?  With the way Terrahash was persecuted, I thought people would be more careful.

I hope everything works out, I would seriously be very grateful to any company that can give some hashing to the public.  If they start giving information, and it looks good, I'll add them to my list.  Please let me know:  https://bitcointalk.org/index.php?topic=209750

So the official story is (and you can see this) that for all the unknown activity in a country they put in a spike directly in the middle.  I just don't know who to trust anymore though, with all the money floating around.  This seems reasonable.. but if a person masked their IP how can you tell what country they're from?  couldn't they just reroute to another country?
Anyway I really don't know the complete story here.  I find it quite likely that the spike really is from what they say.  Then again none of Inaba's comments have made me more comfortable about things. 
Everyone says to cool down they are finally starting to ship.  Oh sure, after their long testing phase?  Gonna wait to ship till they're worthless?  People bought these products because they were told they could make a certain profit from them.  They have been pushed back constantly, to the point that people who actually believe a word coming out of their mouth gives me pause.
Maybe the real question is how much of the world spikes are caused by them.

If someone was stealing from my neighbors, and the thief had convinced them to give him more, and that he was their best friend, by showing how charitable they were, even while yelling in their faces....  I would feel the need to try to wake them up, or take down the thief.  Saying that he has, "evil intent" is missing the point.  Violence is necessary.  Every time you eat you kill something.  Pretending to be above it all gets you nowhere.

It's foolish of you to go after dogie for this.  All of you.  Sure talk about his logic, discuss the holes in his plan.  When you attack him personally calling him a crybaby...  The idea is to do something for once.  How can you say this is just qq?  Going after someone?  If someone came at you and punched you in the face is that qq?  

Sure there are more important issues in the world, but this is happening in our backyard.  I'm not sure that cancelling orders would do much..  The chance that they could cover every preorder if they were cancelled is very small.  Funny how the talk goes to how expensive things are sometimes, and others how they have plenty of extra money.  Oh wait, maybe they could just spend some of their mined holdings and pay everyone off..

Chips

So .. may ended eh?

People may argue that this doesn't matter, but any person scrolling through a trust list seeing a bunch of red is going to be affected.  Whether or not they trust the person who gave the feedback.

I know!  I can't believe people aren't calling lawyers and knocking on doors.

People are getting after me for this map being a 'debunked conspiracy'
yeah yeah I know..  but I don't know the person that makes the map, I'd like to ask them.  There is no way to know if they've taken money either...  Like I said in another thread recently, people have been publicly compromised by money already.  Who knows how many in the background have been paid off.

We may get a chance soon in the next round of technology.  At the moment you need a personal connection...

Ok, I have seen that.  Are these people masking their IP address?  If not we should be able to get the region, if so we wouldn't even know what country, right?

I'm not convinced of anything anymore.  There are already people publicly compromised by money in this situation.

I wonder if they are bothering to use old coins, or they're just throwing the new ones they made into it......

Don't worry, they're safe in Kansas.

It's for this type of thing that I just moved their shipment date back 3 months on my list.  I hope this is just incompetence in the face of great difficulty, unlike BFL.

There are other types of computers (mostly theoretical atm) that can give and check all possible answers in an equation.  Surely one will come out within 10 years.  It was mentioned they would just be for scientists and military, but if someone sees the profit to make one it will happen. 

I think the answer here is that there will always be encryption of some sort.  With greater computing power comes greater ability to encrypt.

The big companies are not delivering to us.  There is hoarding going on.  I'm not sure what is going on with Avalon.. but BFL should be sued.  I didn't buy anything from them or I'd be the first to try to rally people..


                                                     Ever wonder where BFL offices are located?

                                            This is a map generated from the IP addresses of miners.

Basically there is nobody thats shipping a product and also has positive ROI.  Kinda sad.

Ok thanks

Couldn't see their site, I'll try again tomorrow.

Done

They are overpriced.

Big companies are buying all the orders and the tiny trickle that gets to us will never pay itself off at current prices.  That map I posted shows an orange spike in the middle of the US where BFL is located.  Looks like a big middle finger sticking up to me.  Not even trying to hide it by having hosts.  Oh sure everyone will get their machine.  After the difficulty is so high it won't even make a return.

If bitcoin goes up in price you say, "See?  My miner made five times what it was worth in just the first year."

If you paid 49.99BTC for a 10GH ASICminer and get it at the beginning of next month you would still be at -30BTC a year from now at 18% difficulty.  It just will never make back those 49.99BTC that you originally paid.  Better to just buy/hold coins.

Now IF avalon chip shipments start coming in within a couple weeks it's possible to get ROI from those.  It's not likely though.  I'm on the cusp of pushing them back on my chart 2-3 months as it is. 

Actually I'm going to do that.

Now you tell me, why would anyone buy a miner at this point?

Ah..  too bad really, but everything on the market is overpriced. 


and people are cheating...  =\

This is the 'Most stable miner' category of the list..   http://blockchain.info/nodes-globe?series=mostStable
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I should just take them off my list, this is ridiculous.

-edit 
Ok done.  They are off the list.  I will not support this company by sending people to them while they are so blatantly violating the trust of the community.  Can't even find cheap hosting somewhere for their scheming?

I'm pushing all the Avalon chip orders back a few months too.  I see no reason to believe that 9-10 weeks is a reasonable estimate.

My hero!