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281  Economy / Trading Discussion / Re: Possible Bitcoin theft [ Intersango/Bitcoincconsultancy on notice] on: February 28, 2012, 04:20:41 AM
I just created a new thread about this:

CryptoXChange Associate's attempt to Slander and Extort Intersango
https://bitcointalk.org/index.php?topic=66602.0
282  Economy / Trading Discussion / [Update] CryptoCoinMedia's False Accusations on: February 28, 2012, 04:20:02 AM
UPDATE: MiseryDeAria posted at length, clearing Bitcoin Consultancy of any responsibility. He will be working on returning the funds soon. Intersango and Bitcoin Consultancy are unrelated to witcoin and do not have the funds, and claims they should be reported to the police are completely unfounded.  Read it for yourself here:
https://bitcointalk.org/index.php?topic=66550.msg773158#msg773158


UPDATE 2: I PM'ed CryptoXChange, and they cleared some things up.  CryptoCoinMedia is not an employee, owner, or client of CryptoXChange.  They know each other as fellow Australian Bitcoin users.  One of the CryptoX guys has done some technical work for him in the past, but this was in no way officially connected to their exchange or its brand.  They do not condone or have any control of CCM's actions.

I still think CCM was trying to smear FUD on Bitcoin Consultancy's Intersango to improve the standing of CryptoX, but he was acting independently.  CCM and miserydearia will be working together to get the refunds out to past witcoin users.

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This is my understanding from the past hour of research through old forum posts, if anyone has factual corrections, please let me know and I will edit this post to update it for accuracy.

The Facts:

CryptoCoinMedia is an associate of CryptoXChange (his level of involvement is unclear). a fellow Austrialian Bit

CryptoCoinMedia registered the domain in December of 2010.

Miserydearia was the lead develeoper and creator of witcoin.com, a reddit-like service where you upvote with bitcoin.

Witcoin.com was shut down, leaving some users without a way to withdraw their remaining balance.

As of October 2011, miserydearia sold the VPS to CryptoCoinMedia.
https://bitcointalk.org/index.php?topic=2516.msg599183#msg599183

Some time between Nov 2011 and now, miserydearia both:  had some serious health problems (I hope you are doing well if you are reading this), and became a collaborator with Intersango.

CryptoCoinMedia started this thread today, in which he threatens to file a police report against Intersango if they don't coordinate refunds:
https://bitcointalk.org/index.php?topic=66550.0


My Take on the Situation

-CryptoCoinMedia is at least friends with CryptoXChange, if not actually involved with some business aspect.

-Witcoin users who are owed money have a legitimate claim to recover those funds from miserydearia.  They should contact miserydearia directly to facilitate this transfer of funds.  Misery should make himself available, and make a post about how to contact him to recover these funds.  The matter of these refunds is between miserydearia and witcoin users.

-CryptoCoinMedia has ZERO claim on the account balances.  His purchase was for the domain and VPS only:
I payed for the domains and vps it was hosted on.

-Intersango/BitcoinConsultancy is completely innocent and unrelated in this matter.  Accepting miserydearia's future collaboration does not make them responsible for any past debts miserydearia may have.  

-Intersango/BitcoinConsultancy should notify miserydearia of these threads, and encourage him to create a transparent claim process.  This is an act of good faith which they have no obligation to do.

-CryptoCoinMedia's claim that Intersango has commited theft is a slanderous attack attempting to hurt their reputation.  CryptoCoinMedia's association with CryptoXChange gives motive: He wants to stir up FUD around Intersango to improve the relative position of CryptoXChange.  I think he is attacking his competitor primarily as a means to gain market share. This is immoral and bad for the Bitcoin community, which is why I am speaking out.


-CryptoCoinMedia has no right or claim to be the custodian of the coins until they are claimed.  He should not take possession of any former witcoin deposits.

Note: I have no affiliations with any of the above parties (aside from trying both their respective exchanges with trivial amounts of BTC).  I am just a Bitcoin enthusiast who sees someone trying to take advantage of someone else, and I hate seeing that in our community.
283  Economy / Trading Discussion / Re: The witcoins need to be returned immediately. on: February 28, 2012, 03:59:36 AM
How about a little background/history for the clueless among us?

Mizerydearia was the developer and built all the code for witcoin. I payed for the domains and vps it was hosted on. After intsersango hired Miz to go to Poland the site was killed and the code taken after I made a demand that it be worked on and that I wanted to take it in a different more professional direction.

QFT
284  Economy / Trading Discussion / Re: Possible witcoin theft [ Intersango/Bitcoincconsultancy on notice] on: February 28, 2012, 03:20:47 AM
I dont want the coins I want them to give them back to the users. I dont want the wallet or the codebase and btw what have you got to do with any of this Huh?

Either give the coins back or dont its that simple. Im sure people who have missing coins will be posting here shortly.

Cryptoxchange is not important in this discussion of where those coins are.

I nly go to the police when there are actual victims. Either make good peoples loss or dont and suffer the consequences.

If you want the coins returned to users, why should you be the custodian of them?  Do you have a valid, active bitcoin address for each of these users?  Why should unclaimed coins be placed in your possession?

This thread stinks.  It looks to me like you are trying to extort Internsango for more than $2000 or else you will report them to the police, and you are associated with their competitor, CryptoXChange.  Extortion is a serious crime.

What is your level of involvement with CryptoXChange?

It looks like you are trying to smear their brand to improve the standing of your own.

Tell me how I have this wrong.
285  Other / Beginners & Help / Re: Anyone mining solidcoin ? on: February 28, 2012, 03:07:37 AM
Is worth to mine solidcoin ?

lol, newbies...
286  Economy / Trading Discussion / Re: Possible witcoin theft [ Intersango/Bitcoincconsultancy on notice] on: February 28, 2012, 02:59:35 AM
Hold up...

You only bought the domain and VPS?  Why the hell do you think you are entitled to their wallet at well?  Even if you bought the whole service, you aren't entitled to back profits.  

The way you are explaining it, it doesn't even sound like they are obligated to give you the codebase.

Are you associated with CryptoXChange?  Threatening to bring the police into this is a bold statement, and I do not take it lightly.
287  Bitcoin / Mining / Re: The miner with IP 0.0.0.0 is close to 50% on: February 25, 2012, 05:20:36 AM
Also, the person at 192.168.1.1 is releasing transactions to spend YOUR money!!!  Shocked
288  Economy / Marketplace / Re: Get your personal digital caricature with Bitcoins now! on: February 24, 2012, 10:45:15 PM
Are the caricatures in full color?  What medium are they done in? How are they delivered (digital copy or physical copy mailed)?

Does 20BTC for all of the different kinds? (I assume Group costs more, right?)
289  Other / Politics & Society / Re: FBI: buying coffee with cash = terrorist on: February 24, 2012, 10:39:49 PM
BREAKING NEWS: Study finds h2o in the brain of more than 90% of terrorists.  Is water making us hate freedom?
290  Economy / Goods / Re: No prescription, no hassles- bitcoins for meds. Keep it simple. on: February 24, 2012, 04:14:21 PM
And remember, Mousepotato- the more weight you lose the more men will want to make tender love to you.

 Grin



Misogyny:  Keeping females away from the Bitcoin since 2009.
291  Other / Beginners & Help / Re: Altcoin suggestion: Royen Credits [criticism needed] on: February 24, 2012, 09:17:49 AM
1. Imposing a "tax" in an alt chain that regularly reduces the number of coins in an address by a percentage is technically possible, but is effectively the exact same thing as inflation (just adding more coins, making existing coins worth slightly less). 

2. The problem with trying to make a cryptocurrency to help unemployment or poverty is that you need a way to certify that each person only gets one "share".  If you add money to every address, anyone can just generate millions of addresses and get a much larger amount than any honest actors.

3.  Why do you want no inflation or delfation to occur?  Do you understand this means having a fixed number of coins, forever?

4.  It is impossible to know which coins were lost, and which ones are being saved.

5. People are stupid.  "Simple rules that anyone can understand" is an overambitious goal.  Not everyone understands cryptographic hashing, so many will not understand your currency, regardless of how simple it is.

6. If you "tax" saving, people would just transfer back and forth between two accounts to keep coins "fresh". 

7.  If you want to launch your own alt-chain, read and understand the Bitcoin source code.
292  Other / Beginners & Help / Newbie Tip: Add a Profile Pic to look like a real account on: February 24, 2012, 09:06:09 AM
I noticed a lot of newbies don't have profile pics.  I think adding one makes it seem like you are a real person and are actually interested in using your account for more than 5 minutes.  Give it a try. 
293  Other / Beginners & Help / Re: Fuck YOU! First post! on: February 24, 2012, 09:02:34 AM
Are you related to the Bitcoin Shitlist website?
294  Economy / Speculation / Re: Rocket is secretly taking off yet again! on: February 24, 2012, 08:57:39 AM
For fucks sake, can you people please stop calling every 30 cent price increase a rocket?
295  Economy / Speculation / Re: myself's secret rocket on: February 24, 2012, 08:56:59 AM
For fucks sake, can you people stop calling every 30 cent price increase a rocket?
296  Economy / Trading Discussion / Re: [LIVE] Chesscoin.com is now LIVE! on: February 24, 2012, 07:59:09 AM
LOL.  Crazy fucking security measures to just play some chess.  Why is this attached to an exchange Huh  Talk about feature creep! lol
297  Bitcoin / Bitcoin Discussion / Re: Bitcoin Predictinator: Tommorow's valuations today! on: February 23, 2012, 12:31:28 AM
How are these predictions made?  Algorithmically or by-hand?
298  Economy / Invites & Accounts / Re: Diablo 3 Beta Battle.net Account on: February 23, 2012, 12:30:17 AM
How much longer does the Beta period last?
299  Economy / Services / Re: Medical Consult for Bitcoins on: February 23, 2012, 12:27:38 AM
Wow.  This thread is amazing.  Hopefully I won't need to use it, but I'll still take comfort knowing it exists.  Keep up the good work!
300  Economy / Services / Re: Send cash with bitcoins (+60 000 offices around the world) on: February 20, 2012, 04:54:01 AM
Nope, i don't think i will be working with bitpay real soon, giving that Yankee has chosen to judge me for filing a complaint against an obscure service like bitcoinica.

Wrong company. For a guy who files complaints for a living, get your companies straight. 

Yes, of course I'm gonna judge you for filing a complaint against Bitcoinica for no apparent reason. If you do have a reason, you've yet to explain yourself further from 'look at my first post'

You know what. I bet you lost money, and this is your way of taking it out on Zhou. Modern day sore loser.

If you thing I'm wrong, defend yourself.
+1 spot on.  He has deflected every question about his motivations, claiming he has responded somewhere else.  However, the only reason he has given is "they could be a scam."  The fact that he hasn't bragged about sending 100+ letters to police about bitcoin businesses clearly demonstrates cherry picking.

I think it is very likely he has either lost money, or is personally jealous of Zhou making more money than him.
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